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Old 07-19-2011, 05:58 PM   #1
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Hi, I am going to keep this short and simple.

90/152 Inquisitor wearing most of PQ T2 gear with a lot of ascent/pools/ToFS jewelry and weapon.

I am looking for helpful tips on playing an Inquisitor. I cannot find anyone on my server who will reasonably help me out. (Oasis) I seem to have no problem healing, curing is a bit tough (doing epic now, hard to solo) and my DPS never breaks 1.5k.

I have been told numerous times that Inquisitors heal through DPS, that I should have really high DPS at all times. I was told that the only use for Inquisitors is for cures and small heals with moderate DPS, however no one would clarify what this meant. (I was told this on Flames, hence why I don't like Flames SMILEY)

Perhaps it is my AA, so I have created a replica of my AA for everyone to observe to tell me if I am doing something wrong. Also if you have any tips AT ALL please provide them. I am looking for a new guild as well. One that doesn't already have 4+ Clerics and one that actively groups with other guild members.

http://www.beetny.com/eq2aa/[email protected]@[email protected]@55

I am willing to explain my thinking behind any of my AA decisions, and would love input. Thank you.

p.s. I can and have solo healed Ascent, Pools and ToFS with no problem, other than my DPS = poo...

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Old 07-19-2011, 06:17 PM   #2
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*Update*

I am not using a Diety, the last time I asked about a Diety I was told that Dieties offer such a small bonus, it is not worth the hassle. I could not believe this, but I can't seem to get a good reccommendation on what diety to use.

I also do not have my Offensive spells mastered or experted if they were replaced by a CA through AA. I don't know if this is good or bad, but it seemed that the CA versions hit hard, consume less power, and cast faster. Correct me if I am wrong.

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Old 07-19-2011, 06:19 PM   #3
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Get your fabled weapon quest done then get Epic Repurcussions quest done. When you get that finished you get a second group cure that is one of the defining aspects of the inquisitor class. Having a second group cure will make your life much easier.

After that get your AA's up. Once you hit ~220 you'll notice that things will start getting easier. Once you get to 300 you'll be heaing close to as well as a Templar or healing just fine with much more DPS. It's AA so you get to choose.

After that it's all about knowing what your class does. As an inquisitor never neglect the debuffs. Debuffing the mobs makes them hit less and for less dmaage and makes your life easier. You'll figure out a rotation that allows you to get things done and you will just adjust that based on the tank your currently grouped with.

Also, if you have a bad experiance with a group and you felt like you couldn't keep the tank up then examine the group a bit. The tank might have been in offensive (I have seen tanks die 20 times and never get out of offensive) or the group might have not had any debuffs of buffing support classes. Things like having a weak tank and a coercer that doesn't like to stunn is a bad combination. Some setups just work better than others. With your current AA and gear and with you doing Pick Up Groups (PUGs) your going to run into situations that are going to frustrate you.

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Old 07-19-2011, 06:27 PM   #4
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The actual diety pet doesn't help you much at all. The miracles that go along with having a diety can be helpful. The miracles are bascially a long reuse, limited number of uses spells that can do damage, be a group saver or just buff you or sometbody else. It all depends on the diety you choose as each one has a differen set of miracles.

Get your buffs and heals experted at least. Without that your seriously underpowered. The next set of items you need experetd are your debuffs. A healer offering DPS to the group is a bonus, a healer that can't heal is a liability. You can't have liabilities and hope to live through some fights in some zones.

If you do not have full experts and don't have money for it then you can harvest for the gems. You will get gems that you don't need becasue the nodes give two types and you can sell those for cash. I prefer running zones or quests and buying the gems or even the experts directly once I have the cash.

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Old 07-19-2011, 06:38 PM   #5
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If you feel weak, it's because you are missing a lot of awesome AAs.  You can't make a good AA spec for end game with only 152 AAs, but I'd probably go more with something like this, since you seem to be focusing on heroic content and you seem to want to contribute DPS.

http://www.beetny.com/eq2aa/[email protected]@[email protected]@2551 (Oops, this spec doesn't work, try the one below with 158 AAs)http://www.beetny.com/eq2aa/[email protected]@[email protected]@2551

Obviously you can swap points around, but I'd definitely go with Divine Guidance over Chilling Invigoration for now (eventually you want both, obviously), and Litany of Combat gives an amazing buff for your personal DPS.

Contrary to what you were told, Inquisitors are fine solo healers, at least once you have Epic Repercussions done.  Also contrary to what you were told, we don't really heal through DPS.  We can get a few heal procs on attacks, but mostly the class is set up to quickly mix in DPS between heals and cures.

My favorite deity is Karana.  You can get a nice group rez for a miracle, have a couple decent blessings to choose from, and the pet gives some WIS.  If you're more worried about DPS, Anashti Sul is the best choice for the Hand of Death blessing.

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Old 07-19-2011, 06:46 PM   #6
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This would probably be better posted in the Inquisitor class forums. Also dont knock that other forum, they are full of the best players in this game.

Your biggest problem is lack of AA points. Without going into a lot of detail tearing your AA spec apart, the best thing I can tell you is you need to put points into the Stamina line of the cleric tree.... At least 4-10-10. You need to put 5 points into Strength in Combat in the Inquisitor tree. You need 5 points in Litany of Combat, Blessed Yalup, Overwhelming Arms and Fanatical Devotion in the Shadows tree. You also need to take the Persecution final in the shadows tree. Those are your primary dps enhancing AA skills (aside from the Battle line in the Inquisitor tree (which you already have)).

Always look at yourself as a melee healer. If you want to put some focus on your dps, grind AA, after that you need to focus melee enhancing stats such as multi attack, haste, dps mod...maybe even some +weapon skill. The downside to this is SOE has decided not to itemize this expansion for Melee healers and therefore no priest gear has any of these stats on them. Your only source for those stats at this time are adornments. You will also need a good high damage hammer to beat on the mobs with. Again, SOE's itemization in this expansion is poor and VERY few 2hd hammers are available. This alone will keep your dps lower than its capable of more than anything else.

If a fight doesn't require you to be at max heal range, you should always be in melee range with auto attack on even while healing. Never cast a nuke when you have a combat art that replaces it (Ex. Invocation Strike, Writing Strike, Strike of Flames etc). Get a UI that has an auto attack timer bar built in (I use ProfitUI) so you can time your auto attacks. Rotate in your CA's in between your heals and debuffs as much as possible but you should never delay an auto attack swing with a CA because auto attack will be the majority of your damage.

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Old 07-19-2011, 08:29 PM   #7
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Oh no! Don't get me wrong, I don't want to focus on DPS, I love being able to heal as well as I do. I am just concerned because I keep getting told that I am not DPS'ing when I should be. Everyone keeps telling me I should be parsing around bard DPS eventually. I don't know if I should change my AA and stop worrying about healing, or what.

As for Flames, I am not "knocking" Flames, in fact I went there before here. But my personal opinion is that I don't like it. Whenever I ask for help I am called a bunch of names (revolving around noob, or idiot). My original question never gets fully answered, I usually get answers like "Well yea, your AA sucks, you should be parsing higher DPS." When asked how, or what I should change I am told things like "Use your combat arts. or "Find a good AA setup."

As for Cold Invig, I chose that because I am not having trouble healing, so when I am in a pinch that is a pretty nice reactive, as well as being a small ammount of damage. Where as if I were having trouble keeping up on the heals, I might want Diving Guidance.

As for Litany of Combat, I actually used to have that, but was told on Flames that I was wasting points. I was told that most of the stats I get from Litany of combat should already be maxed out...So you think I should go back and get LoC?

Also I don't mind about what tree I am going down, I don't have any of the shadows because I didn't see anything there that would have made a HUGE difference like Steadfast, Shield Ally, and Divine Recovery. So I am going to assume that With my current AA I am doing fine? I just don't like being told constantly that I am not doing my job because I don't DPS enough. I also keep getting told that my Inquis heals through DPS...the only way I see to do that is with Punishments (3 spells, only 2 of which I ever see trigger, Heresy doesn't ever trigger for me.) And Cold Invigoration. The rest of my abilities are either some sort of Debuff, or DD, or Reactive heals, or Direct Heals...I didn't want to put any points into combative healing yet, because without higher MA, it seems like it would be a small proc...

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If you like how you play, and it sounds like you do, then just play. 

The people telling you that Inquisitors heal by DPSing are mistaken.  If you don't like contributing DPS while healing, then you probably wouldn't be good at it anyway, and your groups are better off with you focusing on keeping them alive.  If you get bored with "just" healing eventually, you can start trying to push your DPS.

Your AA spec doesn't make much sense to me.  You have 5 points wasted in the Shadow tree on max power pool.  I wouldn't spend 5 points in heresy except maybe for PvP.  I wouldn't take DR, unless you really need the casting speed in that tree (or unless you have a set group of players to coordinate with). Ect. But the best way to find a good spec that works for you is to experiment.

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Old 07-19-2011, 11:15 PM   #9
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Well, I used to be a bad power hog with Fanaticism running, so I wanted that little bit of extra power, it's not so bad now, but eventually I will go through my shadows, no point in paying for a reset lol I will be putting 5 in power and 5 in health anyway.

As for Heresy, I had to put 5 points there to get the punishments end line, Punishments turns Vengeance and Repentence into small AE heals that proc when the mob takes a hit. Plus, if Heresy would ever work, that would be an encounter punishments spell that when any mob in the encounter cast a spell it procs damage to the mob and a group AE heal.

Lastly, DR is definitely needed, my Malevolent Diatribe(group reactive) has a 3.23 cast speed, Alleviation(group heal) is 2.61 cast speed and Resolute Flagellant(group cure) has a 1.4 casting speed. Those are pretty slow...So when I know it is going to be a tough fight, I can pop DR and can rip through some heals a little bit faster.

Was there anything else that didn't make sense? Do those things still not make sense? Please tell me anything else you saw that looked worthless. Haha, I am still trying to perfect this toon and can't get to much help anywhere.

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Old 07-20-2011, 01:44 AM   #10
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Get your epic and do the conversion as soon as you can, after curing will be very easy. The mythical buf/effects also probbaly enhance your healing power a lot.

Try to get back the AAs you miss, 150 is very very low.

Toss your 2 reactive between melee hit , CA and spells. Normaly you should have only a few direct heals to use.

Try to get close to 100% casting speed, Inquisitor like all clerics/shaman are slow to cast.

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Old 07-20-2011, 03:03 AM   #11
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Ok, so I still have a way's to go on Cast speed. I am only around 42%...I use Divine Recovery and that helps alot! I generally only use MD on pull, or on a prolonged "tougher" fight, the other reactive+punishments+inquisition usually handle everything.

Here is an average fight for me:

Tank moving in for the pull or gives a warning, start casting MD, throw on the other reactive, hit the mob with Vengeance and Repentance (damage proc/group heal proc.) Move to CA's, if the group takes an AE Alleviation, then the single target reactive on tank again, punishments, back to CA's until I see life go down. (Keeping up on cures as soon as I see a dot pop up)

Doing that just doesn't seem to get my DPS up there, but I VERY rarely struggle keeping anyone alive. I have been in Ascent numerous times when my tank is either undergeard or just a complete idiot and gives no warning or runs off to the next mob without the group. I have only failed pools 1 time(The rumbler name with the blood pool), the other zones have yet to be failed with me as a solo healer.

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Old 07-20-2011, 09:32 AM   #12
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As many mentioned already the main "problem" you have are your low AA. AA are really important for an Inq. I guess you could gain a lot by specing like Quabi mentioned above. You won't actually loose much healing (and actually gain some great healing options) and you will gain a huge amount of dps potential. And Divine Guidance is better then Divine Recovery to help you with the moments then things seem to go bad. Also if you don't have one try to get a good two handed weapon. There are only a few in DOV, but if you can get one it should help you a lot. Also as already mentioned we do not heal through dps. Yes we have some tools to generate some minor healing while dpsing. This can be enough for some trash encounters or to heal the dps classes after an AE, but the main part of healing are still our heal spells. Also an important part are adornments. They might be expensive if you don't know somebody to meld down your not needed drops and craft them, but they can help a ton. One legendary casting speed adornment gives you 3.8% cast speed and you can stack several of them. Also they are the only way to gain melee stats beside AA in DOV. For an overview look here: http://adornments.h0b0.net/
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:51 PM   #13
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Ok cool, I have been trying to go to 80+ zones for loot to mute and to get mats for adorns, save myself A LOT of money. Last I looked, on Oasis, it is nearly 10-13p per adorn...a bit too pricey.

As for Adorns, is there any "standar" I should follow for an Inq? I know I will prolly get some MA, Crit Chance, Crit Bonus(If I can find any) Casting Speed, and maybe a few reusue speed, something like this...or should I aim for a different set of adorns?

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Kudos to you for being persistent in your attempt to seek the advice you need to better your character.

All the advice I was going to give you was already mentioned by other people, but I'm dying to find out why you decided to end up at level 90 with so few AA's. I've got a level 50 guy on Freeport with 147 AA's, and most of his playtime has been at Silver subscription level (which means I actually had to disable most of my experience gain in order to keep my AA count robust). Adjusting an AA slider was a luxury I've enjoyed for only about 1/8th of his total played time.

In addition to having the steps paved for your improvement, hopefully your plight can be a lesson to others that will follow: always try to maintain at LEAST 2 AA's for each level you gain, if not 3. Unless you've got friends waiting for you to catch up, and they will carry you when you get there, having a strong AA to level ratio is incredibly beneficial.

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Eskol wrote:

*Update*

I am not using a Diety, the last time I asked about a Diety I was told that Dieties offer such a small bonus, it is not worth the hassle. I could not believe this, but I can't seem to get a good reccommendation on what diety to use.

I also do not have my Offensive spells mastered or experted if they were replaced by a CA through AA. I don't know if this is good or bad, but it seemed that the CA versions hit hard, consume less power, and cast faster. Correct me if I am wrong.

Karana or Tribunal. Tribunal gives a great WIS buff...

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jaguarjp wrote:

Kudos to you for being persistent in your attempt to seek the advice you need to better your character.

All the advice I was going to give you was already mentioned by other people, but I'm dying to find out why you decided to end up at level 90 with so few AA's. I've got a level 50 guy on Freeport with 147 AA's, and most of his playtime has been at Silver subscription level (which means I actually had to disable most of my experience gain in order to keep my AA count robust). Adjusting an AA slider was a luxury I've enjoyed for only about 1/8th of his total played time.

In addition to having the steps paved for your improvement, hopefully your plight can be a lesson to others that will follow: always try to maintain at LEAST 2 AA's for each level you gain, if not 3. Unless you've got friends waiting for you to catch up, and they will carry you when you get there, having a strong AA to level ratio is incredibly beneficial.

Maybe like me he was new to the game.  When I hit level 90 I only had 172 AA.  No one ever said to grind tons of AA at low levels and there are very mixed guides on gaining AA.  A new player has no idea about these things when they start.  Also in most MMO games Max level is the 1st thing to obtain then Alternate Advancement.  However in EQ2 this isnt the case.

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jaguarjp wrote:

Kudos to you for being persistent in your attempt to seek the advice you need to better your character.

All the advice I was going to give you was already mentioned by other people, but I'm dying to find out why you decided to end up at level 90 with so few AA's. I've got a level 50 guy on Freeport with 147 AA's, and most of his playtime has been at Silver subscription level (which means I actually had to disable most of my experience gain in order to keep my AA count robust). Adjusting an AA slider was a luxury I've enjoyed for only about 1/8th of his total played time.

In addition to having the steps paved for your improvement, hopefully your plight can be a lesson to others that will follow: always try to maintain at LEAST 2 AA's for each level you gain, if not 3. Unless you've got friends waiting for you to catch up, and they will carry you when you get there, having a strong AA to level ratio is incredibly beneficial.

When I started this toon, it was to play with a friend of mine and we weren't familliar with how important AA was, it was our first 90 and I'm not sure about other servers (I've considered switching just to find a better one) but Oasis can get harsh sometimes. I do attempt to ask in 1-9 chat, but I generally get pretty stiff answers or rather than an answer I am told to quit being lazy and figure out. Haha, it's not everyone, but most of everyone. So when I got to 80 I finally found a guild that didn't completely ignore me and I was told you should have between 180-200 AA when hitting 90....lol WAAAAY off for me. I was probably at 95 or so AA at level 86 when I heard that, then I lost interest in the toon...When I picked it up again I grinded out from 95-130 AA and then was told to hit 90 and I can just get PQ gear and mentor to old zones and tear them up...I can't quite do that at the moment... SMILEY

As for a 2h weapon, my 1h is pretty good, I can't find any on the broker as good as mine except another 1h that is 1200p (From DoV)

*Update*  90/167AA!

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Old 07-22-2011, 11:33 AM   #18
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This would probably be better posted in the Inquisitor class forums. Also dont knock that other forum, they are full of the best players in this game.

Flames is FAR from full of the best players in the game, it is full of SELF proclaimed best players and there is a difference. 

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Eskol wrote:

jaguarjp wrote:

Kudos to you for being persistent in your attempt to seek the advice you need to better your character.

All the advice I was going to give you was already mentioned by other people, but I'm dying to find out why you decided to end up at level 90 with so few AA's. I've got a level 50 guy on Freeport with 147 AA's, and most of his playtime has been at Silver subscription level (which means I actually had to disable most of my experience gain in order to keep my AA count robust). Adjusting an AA slider was a luxury I've enjoyed for only about 1/8th of his total played time.

In addition to having the steps paved for your improvement, hopefully your plight can be a lesson to others that will follow: always try to maintain at LEAST 2 AA's for each level you gain, if not 3. Unless you've got friends waiting for you to catch up, and they will carry you when you get there, having a strong AA to level ratio is incredibly beneficial.

When I started this toon, it was to play with a friend of mine and we weren't familliar with how important AA was, it was our first 90 and I'm not sure about other servers (I've considered switching just to find a better one) but Oasis can get harsh sometimes. I do attempt to ask in 1-9 chat, but I generally get pretty stiff answers or rather than an answer I am told to quit being lazy and figure out. Haha, it's not everyone, but most of everyone. So when I got to 80 I finally found a guild that didn't completely ignore me and I was told you should have between 180-200 AA when hitting 90....lol WAAAAY off for me. I was probably at 95 or so AA at level 86 when I heard that, then I lost interest in the toon...When I picked it up again I grinded out from 95-130 AA and then was told to hit 90 and I can just get PQ gear and mentor to old zones and tear them up...I can't quite do that at the moment...

As for a 2h weapon, my 1h is pretty good, I can't find any on the broker as good as mine except another 1h that is 1200p (From DoV)

*Update*  90/167AA!

Oasis is a generally friendly server, you just need a new guild.  Try Solstice

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Eskol wrote:

When I started this toon, it was to play with a friend of mine and we weren't familliar with how important AA was, it was our first 90 and I'm not sure about other servers (I've considered switching just to find a better one) but Oasis can get harsh sometimes. I do attempt to ask in 1-9 chat, but I generally get pretty stiff answers or rather than an answer I am told to quit being lazy and figure out. Haha, it's not everyone, but most of everyone. So when I got to 80 I finally found a guild that didn't completely ignore me and I was told you should have between 180-200 AA when hitting 90....lol WAAAAY off for me. I was probably at 95 or so AA at level 86 when I heard that, then I lost interest in the toon...When I picked it up again I grinded out from 95-130 AA and then was told to hit 90 and I can just get PQ gear and mentor to old zones and tear them up...I can't quite do that at the moment...

As for a 2h weapon, my 1h is pretty good, I can't find any on the broker as good as mine except another 1h that is 1200p (From DoV)

*Update*  90/167AA!

I posted it in another thread but Ill put it here as well.  Hit me up when you see me online toons name is Sorvex.  I will help you out with some good inq grinding spots ect.  When I was at 90 172AA in SF gear I had a solid solo spot.  I will take you in there and show you the rotation of mobs to kill so you can get some easy AA under your belt. Once you have some AAs and the right spec you will be so happy with your inq (If you like the playstlye that is) You will never question yourself as a healer/secondary dps.  Once and Inq is max AA with Decent Gear you become a monster .  I can hardly bring myself to play my pally or my coercer because my Inq is such a beast.

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Eskol wrote:

Ok cool, I have been trying to go to 80+ zones for loot to mute and to get mats for adorns, save myself A LOT of money. Last I looked, on Oasis, it is nearly 10-13p per adorn...a bit too pricey.

As for Adorns, is there any "standar" I should follow for an Inq? I know I will prolly get some MA, Crit Chance, Crit Bonus(If I can find any) Casting Speed, and maybe a few reusue speed, something like this...or should I aim for a different set of adorns?

Don't overlook T8 adornments. For something like casting speed you can get a T9 Greater adorn for 3.8% boost, T8 Superior for 4.2% or T9 Superior for 4.6%. You might be able to run some zones like OOA and TPR and get a lot of T8 transmutables (plus some T9). Or the prices on the broker might be significantly better or at least the same for Crystalized Mana vs. Infusion of the Void.

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