Tinkering DUH nerf?

Junniper · 11-08-2012, 02:51 PM

Not sure where to put this. Move to correct spot if needed please...

TRADESKILLS

All tinkered items with the exception of the Mechanized Platinum Repository of Reconstruction are now tradable, can be used by all classes, and do not require tinkering skill to use.

What the hell is this!?

"do not require a tinkering skill to use." !?!?

Ok, so that means I can also use Assassin CA's on my Illusionist right? I mean if you don't know how the skill/mechanics work, then why can't I use a skill/spell that isn't my class as well?

Geeze.. all the fricken whiners who don't want to level up a tinkerer.. Oh booo-hoo!!

Already made it easier by allowing people to become both a adorner and a tinkerer.. Now yer gonna allow people to be able to use stuff that they have no ability on. /rolleyes

Kreton · 11-08-2012, 03:05 PM

I'm sure this spawned from "I don't want to have to level tinkering up on yet ANOTHER alt", but I don't even understand why it needed to be nerfed. Tinkering was something else to improve your character on so you could benefit from it, and now it's one less thing to do in this game because there's no reason to. It's one thing to make this stuff all tradable, but to remove the tinkering requirement on things like the Overclocked stones, FD's, and Call of the Tinkerer is baffling.

Torquer · 11-08-2012, 03:06 PM

I love it when people complain because they put in "all this work" to do X and then some change later makes it easier or irrelevant.

Yeah, I did the Troubador epic which required hours of gathering and now you can just buy your updates. So what?

Its not like you haven't been able to use your tinkering skill. I don't see how keeping/making things difficult for others somehow makes your gaming experience better or more enjoyable.

Less QQ more pew pew

Kreton · 11-08-2012, 03:15 PM

Torquer wrote:

I love it when people complain because they put in "all this work" to do X and then some change later makes it easier or irrelevant.
Yeah, I did the Troubador epic which required hours of gathering and now you can just buy your updates. So what?
Its not like you haven't been able to use your tinkering skill. I don't see how keeping/making things difficult for others somehow makes your gaming experience better or more enjoyable.
Less QQ more pew pew

Nobody said "I put in all this work so wah". Tinkering isn't hard (and didn't require a lot of work) but it was different and added something to your character. This change makes it irrelevant and removes another avenue to improve your character, because there is 0 point in doing it now.

Twyxx · 11-08-2012, 03:17 PM

They coulda just made the tinker skill/items heirloom/account-wide so everyone would need to have one toon that is a tinkerer, but wouldn't need to level one on every toon.

lodgepark8485 · 11-08-2012, 04:06 PM

Cant say for certain but im betting its because of the tinkered unadorner. So everyone can unadorn their gear but imo they shouldnt of made it a tinker item simple.

Tylia · 11-08-2012, 05:37 PM

Twyxx wrote:

They coulda just made the tinker skill/items heirloom/account-wide so everyone would need to have one toon that is a tinkerer, but wouldn't need to level one on every toon.

I think this would have been a better solution. I've raised tinkering up on 3 characters and only as far as 100 on a 4th because it's getting tiresome. I don't understand the (need for) radical change that was made, but I'm glad something was done.

Calthine · 11-08-2012, 05:58 PM

I may be misrememebering for SOE live, but aren't tinkerers making some adornments now? At least Tinkering will be a bit more valuable. You won't HAVE to level it up when you can buy the stuff.

Good move.

ChrissyFaey · 11-08-2012, 06:09 PM

I think this is awesome. I've leveled up tinkering on about three characters and am occasionally required to play more than those three - now I can just use a primary crafter and allow all my characters to enjoy tinkering. Just like they have benefitted from my adorner, my transmuter, and my other crafters.Tinkering is now more in line with a profitable tradeskill class, since you'll be making bank mass producing market goods that people who do not have tinkering must purchase instead. Enjoy your platinums, tinkerers.

Kreton · 11-08-2012, 09:10 PM

Twyxx wrote:

They coulda just made the tinker skill/items heirloom/account-wide so everyone would need to have one toon that is a tinkerer, but wouldn't need to level one on every toon.

This and the removal of the tinkering requirement is what should have been done. Not gutting the entire flavor of tinkering by making it a broker skill.

Mermut · 11-09-2012, 12:17 AM

Calthine wrote:

I may be misrememebering for SOE live, but aren't tinkerers making some adornments now? At least Tinkering will be a bit more valuable. You won't HAVE to level it up when you can buy the stuff.
Good move.

This one actually baffles me. They've got a skill specifically to make adornments. But the adornments are extremely restrictive and limited... so they add a new and interesting adornment type... and don't give it to the adorners... THAT is baffling.

Raveen · 11-09-2012, 01:48 AM

I can see why some people are bummed that leveled their toons on tinkering. I did as well and I was cracking up at the earlyer post about the Trouby epic cause I did mine like a week before they changed it as well as the Lock one lol. But on the flip side its another way for me to make plats and outfit all my toons with cool stuff. I hope to see more cows fling at raid mobs for one SMILEY And raid leads your teams have no excuses for not stocking key things like mana and health items which were life savers for me when I raided. Cant wait to see 24 mender bots go up lol. I do feel for some of the lost romance of the game that added a bit of realness but things do change. I remember when I first started playing I would have to drag my mountless toon back home at a crawl because I hade 30K copper on me. Or porting back to the docks naked cause my armor was busted and I didnt have kits. It was cool but got old as hell putting all my gear back on from overflow slot. I rememberd how mad I was about the market place but I have gotten some really cool looking items from it. Tinkering isnt hard to level but its a huge time killer if you have 10 toons that need the skill. I'm not downing the peeps that just arnt cool with this I'm just sayin for me it works.

zehly · 11-09-2012, 02:07 AM

Tinker. Tailor. Soldier. QQ.

[Edit: Fixed Star Trek reference.]

Koleg · 11-09-2012, 12:46 PM

With my dozen toons I've leveled Tinkering on half and I think this is a GREAT way to allow other people to use the fun and semi-usefull items which a Tinkering tradeskiller can make and feel semi-usefull.

The most important (to me) tinkering item is being excluded, that being the mender bot. So, I'll be leveling tinkering on the other half of toons I haven't finished the skill on anyway. Its a good call.

Avianna · 11-09-2012, 04:16 PM

I like the change it means to me that my tinkered stuff can sell on the broker now SMILEY

11-08-2012, 03:15 PM	#4
Kreton Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 222	Torquer wrote: I love it when people complain because they put in "all this work" to do X and then some change later makes it easier or irrelevant. Yeah, I did the Troubador epic which required hours of gathering and now you can just buy your updates. So what? Its not like you haven't been able to use your tinkering skill. I don't see how keeping/making things difficult for others somehow makes your gaming experience better or more enjoyable. Less QQ more pew pew Nobody said "I put in all this work so wah". Tinkering isn't hard (and didn't require a lot of work) but it was different and added something to your character. This change makes it irrelevant and removes another avenue to improve your character, because there is 0 point in doing it now.

11-08-2012, 03:17 PM	#5
Twyxx Guardian Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: CA Posts: 244	They coulda just made the tinker skill/items heirloom/account-wide so everyone would need to have one toon that is a tinkerer, but wouldn't need to level one on every toon. __________________

11-08-2012, 05:37 PM	#7
Tylia Server: Butcherblock Guild: Test of Time Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 757	Twyxx wrote: They coulda just made the tinker skill/items heirloom/account-wide so everyone would need to have one toon that is a tinkerer, but wouldn't need to level one on every toon. I think this would have been a better solution. I've raised tinkering up on 3 characters and only as far as 100 on a 4th because it's getting tiresome. I don't understand the (need for) radical change that was made, but I'm glad something was done.

11-08-2012, 05:58 PM	#8
Calthine ZAM EQII Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,439	I may be misrememebering for SOE live, but aren't tinkerers making some adornments now? At least Tinkering will be a bit more valuable. You won't HAVE to level it up when you can buy the stuff. Good move. __________________ Please visit my non-gaming Blog! or follow me on Twitter!

11-08-2012, 09:10 PM	#10
Kreton Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 222	Twyxx wrote: They coulda just made the tinker skill/items heirloom/account-wide so everyone would need to have one toon that is a tinkerer, but wouldn't need to level one on every toon. This and the removal of the tinkering requirement is what should have been done. Not gutting the entire flavor of tinkering by making it a broker skill.

11-08-2012, 02:51 PM	#1
Junniper Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16	Not sure where to put this. Move to correct spot if needed please... TRADESKILLS All tinkered items with the exception of the Mechanized Platinum Repository of Reconstruction are now tradable, can be used by all classes, and do not require tinkering skill to use. What the hell is this!? "do not require a tinkering skill to use." !?!? Ok, so that means I can also use Assassin CA's on my Illusionist right? I mean if you don't know how the skill/mechanics work, then why can't I use a skill/spell that isn't my class as well? Geeze.. all the fricken whiners who don't want to level up a tinkerer.. Oh booo-hoo!! Already made it easier by allowing people to become both a adorner and a tinkerer.. Now yer gonna allow people to be able to use stuff that they have no ability on. /rolleyes

11-08-2012, 03:05 PM	#2
Kreton Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 222	I'm sure this spawned from "I don't want to have to level tinkering up on yet ANOTHER alt", but I don't even understand why it needed to be nerfed. Tinkering was something else to improve your character on so you could benefit from it, and now it's one less thing to do in this game because there's no reason to. It's one thing to make this stuff all tradable, but to remove the tinkering requirement on things like the Overclocked stones, FD's, and Call of the Tinkerer is baffling.

11-08-2012, 03:06 PM	#3
Torquer Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18	I love it when people complain because they put in "all this work" to do X and then some change later makes it easier or irrelevant. Yeah, I did the Troubador epic which required hours of gathering and now you can just buy your updates. So what? Its not like you haven't been able to use your tinkering skill. I don't see how keeping/making things difficult for others somehow makes your gaming experience better or more enjoyable. Less QQ more pew pew

11-08-2012, 04:06 PM	#6
lodgepark8485 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 30	Cant say for certain but im betting its because of the tinkered unadorner. So everyone can unadorn their gear but imo they shouldnt of made it a tinker item simple.

11-08-2012, 06:09 PM	#9
ChrissyFaey Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 231	I think this is awesome. I've leveled up tinkering on about three characters and am occasionally required to play more than those three - now I can just use a primary crafter and allow all my characters to enjoy tinkering. Just like they have benefitted from my adorner, my transmuter, and my other crafters.Tinkering is now more in line with a profitable tradeskill class, since you'll be making bank mass producing market goods that people who do not have tinkering must purchase instead. Enjoy your platinums, tinkerers.

11-09-2012, 12:17 AM	#11
Mermut Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 852	Calthine wrote: I may be misrememebering for SOE live, but aren't tinkerers making some adornments now? At least Tinkering will be a bit more valuable. You won't HAVE to level it up when you can buy the stuff. Good move. This one actually baffles me. They've got a skill specifically to make adornments. But the adornments are extremely restrictive and limited... so they add a new and interesting adornment type... and don't give it to the adorners... THAT is baffling. __________________ I'm willing to suspend my disbelief, But not hang it by the neck until dead.

11-09-2012, 01:48 AM	#12
Raveen Server: Permafrost Guild: Re Evolution Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 69	I can see why some people are bummed that leveled their toons on tinkering. I did as well and I was cracking up at the earlyer post about the Trouby epic cause I did mine like a week before they changed it as well as the Lock one lol. But on the flip side its another way for me to make plats and outfit all my toons with cool stuff. I hope to see more cows fling at raid mobs for one And raid leads your teams have no excuses for not stocking key things like mana and health items which were life savers for me when I raided. Cant wait to see 24 mender bots go up lol. I do feel for some of the lost romance of the game that added a bit of realness but things do change. I remember when I first started playing I would have to drag my mountless toon back home at a crawl because I hade 30K copper on me. Or porting back to the docks naked cause my armor was busted and I didnt have kits. It was cool but got old as hell putting all my gear back on from overflow slot. I rememberd how mad I was about the market place but I have gotten some really cool looking items from it. Tinkering isnt hard to level but its a huge time killer if you have 10 toons that need the skill. I'm not downing the peeps that just arnt cool with this I'm just sayin for me it works.

11-09-2012, 02:07 AM	#13
zehly Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA Posts: 78	Tinker. Tailor. Soldier. QQ. [Edit: Fixed Star Trek reference.] __________________ Count Xehl, 92/320 Illusionist Savior Niekko, 92/320 Templar Sir Trixle, ??/??? Brigand

11-09-2012, 12:46 PM	#14
Koleg Server: Unrest_old Lord Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 713	With my dozen toons I've leveled Tinkering on half and I think this is a GREAT way to allow other people to use the fun and semi-usefull items which a Tinkering tradeskiller can make and feel semi-usefull. The most important (to me) tinkering item is being excluded, that being the mender bot. So, I'll be leveling tinkering on the other half of toons I haven't finished the skill on anyway. Its a good call.

11-09-2012, 04:16 PM	#15
Avianna Server: Butcherblock Guild: Ronin Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Posts: 435	I like the change it means to me that my tinkered stuff can sell on the broker now __________________