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Old 10-24-2018, 05:01 AM   #1
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The mount gear recipes are in on Oliver. I am currently going through and making one of everything and dropping info into a spreadsheet. I'll start posting bugs and feedback as soon as I finish all the barding recipes. While I'm doing that, a couple questions come to mind.

1) How will we obtain these recipes once the expansion goes live?
2) How will we obtain the patterns once the expansion goes live?
3) Can someone with a 110 crafter that is a low-level adventurer test a piece of mount gear from Narf near the entrance to Myrist and make sure they can drop it onto their mount and get stats from it? I'm sure I'll forget before I get done all the barding, saddles, reins, and hackamores.
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Old 10-24-2018, 05:14 AM   #2
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All recipes use the work bench and celestial filament, which is an equipment/fuel mismatch. They're a mix of stitched leather and metal bits, so arguments could be made for either loom or work bench ... as long as the fuel matches the equipment. Smile

All four flavors of "Barding of the Expert" have a name mismatch. The recipes are for ____ Barding of the Expert, but the patterns and the end result are ____Barding of Criticalsuccessmod. Personally, I'd go for them being Expert. BigGrin
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Old 10-24-2018, 05:29 AM   #3
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[Feedback] Folks have raised questions about the ____ Barding of Practice - while they are crafting-related, they're really only good for adventurers who haven't maxxed their crafting yet, since it requires level 110, which is also the level cap. I'm ambivalent about it, and could go either way about it's existence. It just seems a tad silly to have a level 110 item for tradeskill xp gain when 110 crafters can't gain xp. Smile
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Old 10-24-2018, 05:36 AM   #4
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[Feedback] There are 3 crafting-related barding bits that may need some extra tweaking with regards to stats.

Barding of Industry vs Entropic Barding of Industry; Barding of the Expert vs Entropic Barding of the Expert. While there are solid increases in the adventuring bardings in those two tiers of rarity (such as 80 potency vs 100 potency) and so on, these two sets have a 0.1% difference between the Barding vs the Entropic Barding, but require twice as much fuel, and 3 more rares. Um. That's really not even worth making those.

Barding of Practice vs Entropic Barding of Practice. Welll, a 0.2% difference in tradeskill xp between the two for that same doubling of fuel plus 3 more rares may fool some adventurers into thinking they're going to level their TS levels faster, but ... meh?
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Old 10-24-2018, 05:45 AM   #5
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[Feedback] There is no "made by" tag on these. Should there be?
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Old 10-24-2018, 05:48 AM   #6
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["Copy Pasta" error] There are two "Archivist's Reins Recipes" books. One contains 5 reins recipes, the other has 12 saddle recipes and should be renamed "Archivist's Saddle Recipes"
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Old 10-24-2018, 06:02 AM   #7
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___ Hackamore of Evolution vs ____ Hackamore of Proficiency: the evolution increases experimental progress by X and the Proficiency increases experimental progress by X% ... the numbers are the same, but one has a percent sign in it. Um, buh? {scratches head} This seems a tad redundant, since you'll only be able to have 1 hackamore equipped at a time. (example is the Student's versions, which are 2.0 and 2.0%)
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Old 10-24-2018, 06:06 AM   #8
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[Typos] All Student's Hackamore stuff (recipe book, individual recipes, patterns and item names) are mislabeled as "Sudent's"
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Old 10-24-2018, 06:59 AM   #9
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___ Hackamore of Progress vs ____ Hackamore of Skill ... these are X progress for the Progress ones and Y% progress for Skill. Since we can only have one on the mount at a time, wouldn't it be better to just have the more beneficial one in the books?
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Old 10-24-2018, 07:00 AM   #10
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Correction ... this is true for all the Student's Barding, Hackamore, Reins, Sadddles, not just the hackamores.

{wanders off with the earworm of Phil Collins singing "Su- su- sudio" in her head}
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Old 10-24-2018, 07:04 AM   #11
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____ Reins of Expertise (all 4 flavors) ... the text says "increases experimental critical failure chance" ... um, why would we want to INCREASE our crit fail chance? Methinks we'd rather decrease it BigGrin


(I'll poke at the saddle recipes tomorrow)
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Old 10-24-2018, 09:50 PM   #12
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Sudent's (sic) Saddle of Harvesting - yields 6 instead of 1. Now THAT is a rare harvest proc that I can get behind! BigGrin
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Old 10-24-2018, 09:58 PM   #13
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____ Saddles of Durability and ____ Saddles of the Artisan. I guess I am still confused about the purpose of having 2 saddles for durability gain. The Durability ones do X durability gain, the Artisan ones do X% I'd recommend removing the Durability ones or making one be for durability gain and the other for something else crafting ...

Ditto for ____ Saddles of the Innovator and ____ Saddles of the Pioneer. Innovator is X% and Pioneer is X (again, the same number used for both, but one has a percent sign and one does not.)
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:17 PM   #14
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Caith has said that the TS stat ones are just the initial implementation, so all the X vs X% and so forth questions will be tackled soon.
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:48 PM   #15
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Since the patterns for the various mount bits are tradeable, are there any plans to allow them to fit in the guild spell depot?
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Old 10-25-2018, 04:51 PM   #16
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Do you still need #3 done? I have a level 89 templar with 100 provi copied and a level 24 something with 100 provi copied and could do this for you.
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Old 10-25-2018, 07:46 PM   #17
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(I hope the above worked, this is my first post on here! Confused)

Today I tried to equip the "Sudent's Saddle of Harvesting" on two low level adventurers, who are 110 tradeskill. One has completed the new TS line and is a 101 adventurer, the other, is a level 46 adventurer I copied over fresh and boosted to 110 TS. Neither of them could equip the saddle, both had the message "You are not high enough level to equip that item on your mount". Yet on the item tooltip, it shows the 110 requirement in green.
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:35 PM   #18
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It should also be noted that the mount gear includes a rare set called "Archivist's ____" while the rare weapons, armor, jewelry, etc. is called "Academic's ____"
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:36 AM   #19
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I just went through and crafted up all the test mount gear. Niami has covered most of the issues, however I wanted to add that when I popped these on the broker, the default price shown is inconsistent. (Also, because of the way I took my notes, I am going to repeat some of Niami's observations probably...)

First, there are two recipe books in Oliver's goods with the same name:
  • aITEM 2024872726 588948216 0 0 0:[Archivist's Reins Recipes]/a (actually has recipes for reins)
  • aITEM -988825747 588948216 0 0 0:[Archivist's Reins Recipes]/a (has the saddle recipes)

I had only refined rares in my bags when I crafted the mount gear. All my common raws were also from Oliver. Defaul prices shown by the broker are as follows:

Fabled
2p 10g 1c
  • Entropic Barding of Criticals
  • Entropic Barding of Criticalssuccessmod
  • Entropic Barding of Health
  • Entropic Barding of Industry
  • Entropic Barding of Power (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Barding of Practice
  • Entropic Barding of Striking
  • Entropic Barding of the Potent (extra space after "of")

1p 80g 83s 51c
  • Entropic Barding of Bolstering

2p 10g 1c
  • Entropic Hackamore of Conservation
  • Entropic Hackamore of Evolution
  • Entropic Hackamore of Flight
  • Entropic Hackamore of Harvesting (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Hackamore of Proficiency
  • Entropic Hackamore of Progress (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Hackamore of Skill
  • Entropic Hackamore of Status (extra space after "of")

2p 10g 1c
  • Entropic Reins of Conservation (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Reins of Experience (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Reins of Expertise (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Reins of Striding

1c
  • Entropic Reins of Mastery

2p 10g 1c
  • Entropic Saddle of Ability (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Saddle of Durability (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Saddle of Evasion (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Saddle of Fervor (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Saddle of Harvesting (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Saddle of Parry (extra space after "of")
  • Entropic Saddle of Spellflurry
  • Entropic Saddle of the Artisan
  • Entropic Saddle of the Innovator
  • Entropic Saddle of the Pioneer

1c
  • Entropic Saddle of Brawn
  • Entropic Saddle of Fleetness


Legendary
87g 50s 11c
  • Barding of Criticals
  • Barding of Criticalssuccessmod
  • Barding of Health (extra space after "of")
  • Barding of Industry
  • Barding of Power (extra space after "of")

1c
  • Barding of Bolstering (extra space after "of")
  • Barding of Practice
  • Barding of Striking
  • Barding of the Potent

1p 5g 1c
  • Hackamore of Conservation (extra space after "of")
  • Hackamore of Evolution
  • Hackamore of Flight
  • Hackamore of Harvesting (extra space after "of")
  • Hackamore of Proficiency
  • Hackamore of Progress (extra space after "of")
  • Hackamore of Status (extra space after "of")

1c
  • Hackamore of Skill

1p 5g 1c
  • Saddle of Ability (extra space after "of")
  • Saddle of Brawn
  • Saddle of Durabillity (extra space after "of")
  • Saddle of Evasion (extra space after "of")
  • Saddle of Harvesting (extra space after "of")
  • Saddle of Spellflurry
  • Saddle of the Artisan
  • Saddle of the Innovator
  • Saddle of the Pioneer

1c
  • Saddle of Fervor (extra space after "of")
  • Saddle of Fleetness
  • Saddle of Parry (extra space after "of")

1p 5g 1c
  • Reins of Conservation (extra space after "of")
  • Reins of Expertise (extra space after "of")
  • Reins of mastery
  • Reins of Striding

1c
  • Reins of Experience (extra space after "of")


Treasured
52p 50g 1c
  • Archivist's Barding of Bolstering (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Barding of Health (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Barding of Power (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Barding of the Potent (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Barding of Industry
  • Archivist's Barding of Practice
  • Archivist's Barding of Striking

1c
  • Archivist's Barding of Criticals
  • Archivist's Barding of Critcalssuccessmod

52p 50g 1c
  • Archivist's Hackamore of Conservation (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Hackamore of Progress (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Hackamore of Evolution
  • Archivist's Hackamore of Flight
  • Archivist's Hackamore of Proficiency
  • Archivist's Hackamore of Skill

1c
  • Archivist's Hackamore of Harvesting (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Hackamore of Status (extra space after "of")

52p 50g 1c
  • Archivist's Reins of Conservation (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Reins of Experience (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Reins of Mastery
  • Archivist's Reins of Striding

1c
  • Archivist's Reins of Expertise (extra space after "of")

52p 50g 1c
  • Archivist's Saddle of Evasion (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Saddle of Fervor (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Saddle of Harvesting (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Saddle of Parry (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Saddle of Brawn
  • Archivist's Saddle of Fleetness
  • Archivist's Saddle of Spellflurry
  • Archivist's Saddle of the Artisan
  • Archivist's Saddle of the Innovator
  • Archivist's Saddle of Pioneer

1c
  • Archivist's Saddle of Ability (extra space after "of")
  • Archivist's Saddle of Durability (extra space after "of")

Uncommon
35g 1c ("Student" misspelled throughout)
  • Sudent's Barding of Bolstering (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Barding of Health (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Barding of the Potent (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Barding of Criticals
  • Sudent's Barding of Criticalssuccessmod
  • Sudent's Barding of Industry
  • Sudent's Barding of Practice
  • Sudent's Barding of Striking

1c ("Student" misspelled throughout)
  • Sudent's Barding of Power

35g 1c ("Student" misspelled throughout)
  • Sudent's Saddle of Ability (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Saddle of Durability (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Saddle of Evasion (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Saddle of Fervor (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Saddle of Parry (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Saddle of Spellflurry
  • Sudent's Saddle of the Artisan
  • Sudent's Saddle of the Innovator
  • Sudent's Saddle of the Pioneer

6g 83s 33c ("Student" misspelled throughout)
  • Sudent's Saddle of Harvesting (extra space after "of")

35g 1c ("Student" misspelled throughout)
  • Sudent's Hackamore of Progress (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Hackamore of Status (extra space after "of")
  • Sudent's Hackamore of Evolution
  • Sudent's Hackamore of Flight
  • Sudent's Hackamore of Proficiency
  • Sudent's Hackamore of Skill



Other than that, I wish the patterns stacked.
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Old 10-26-2018, 02:14 AM   #20
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[quote="Sigrdrifa, post: 6526227, member: 683"1c
  • Entropic Reins of Mastery
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The only time I found 1 c on the mount gear when dropping it on the broker was when I had a shawl/conservation proc.

I don't remember as much variance in prices as you did, either. (Then again, half of my testing was done late at night, and I wasn't watching the prices so much.)

Were you in a mass production spec, so you were getting mats returned to you on each combine? I've found with a lot of the crafted stuff that hasn't had fixed prices manually set for it, the price tends to wobble based on how much returned fuel was in the stack being used for the next item, making it recalculate the value based on the actual fuel cost. I'm not sure that even makes sense. I'll try to dig up an example later.
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Old 10-26-2018, 03:34 AM   #21
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I was getting crafting expertise effects in there, and yes, looking at my log those do seem to correspond with the 1c items.

I was not in mass production spec, but I was wearing the Hands of the Maker. I was crafting the items individually.
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Old 10-26-2018, 08:23 AM   #22
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Glerb - thank you both. That's what I was afraid of.

I'm not sure how they'd even address that so that crafters don't have access to adventuring buffs that are well beyond their level, but CAN access the crafting buff ones, but I'll leave it to the devs to sort out now that we know it is an issue.
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Old 11-10-2018, 06:19 PM   #23
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I was checking the rewards available from the Archivist's Tradeskill Tack and saw some oddness:
  • Academic's Reins of Expertise : INCREASES chance of experimental FAILURE by 13%? Yeah, I sure want to fail more BigGrin It's worded the same way in the char window, but it's really weird.
  • The component obtained through the "Archivist's Tradeskill Tack" are used in the recipe book "Academic's _ recipes". All the Academic's recipes are making archivist's tacks.
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