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Old 10-09-2018, 03:28 AM   #1
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Please provide all Priest related feedback here. Please remember to be specific, including the name and tier of any relevant abilities, any relevant zone or target information.
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Old 10-09-2018, 03:44 AM   #2
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Channeler
  • Increased the base damage of profession abilities by 3%.

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  • Increased the base damage of profession abilities by 4%.

Inquisitors
  • Increased the base damage of profession abilities by 11%.
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:53 AM   #3
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why not mystics??
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Old 10-10-2018, 01:16 AM   #4
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To differentiate between classes. No one class should bring everything.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:05 AM   #5
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Especially with the changes to bleedthrough, mystics are lower on the healing ladder then defilers.. and they're lower on the dps ladder then defilers. They are, techinically, supposed to be the 'offensive' shaman. It would have made sense to boost their arts.
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Old 10-10-2018, 11:09 AM   #6
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Yep agree would be nice to see the CA's being worth something again. It would also be great to see auto attack actually being worth something again. Would love to use a 2 hander again and have auto attack damage high up on the parser as a mystic. This specing into double cast chance and casting ascensions and /afk waiting for reuse is not that much fun.

While we're on it. Would be nice if you can have a look at Stampede of the herd too. It is very sad Frown
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Old 10-10-2018, 04:24 PM   #7
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Actually, I have a far easier time solo healing on my warden then on my (slightly better geared) mystic. Being at the top of the heal parse doesn't mean being a stronger healer.. it means that wards count first.
The current changes to how bleedthrough works makes stacking wards mostly useless... and also makes it even harder for a mystic, since they have very few tools to deal with bleedthrough.. and one of them requires changing AA specs and dropping their dps down even more..
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:19 PM   #8
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so, your warden is gonna stop Sol Ros 400M auto attacks from killing the tank? I never said a thing about the heal parse. I said you're the best healers because you literally stop damage before it occurs. That's called proactive healing, whereas everybody else is reactive. That's why shamans are the best healers. That's why a shaman has been part of the MT group for literally the ENTIRE 15 years of this games existence in raiding. Shamans have been the single most dominating class for their role in the history of the game. You don't deserve to be dps kings of the healers as well. This is the last I'll respond to you, because I dont feel you actually care about balance, you just want your class put up on a pedestal.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:20 PM   #9
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Yet, the poster wants to /afk /auto.....that makes sense.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:28 PM   #10
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****** head* Where did you draw that conclusion from? CAs being better has nothing to do with afking or auto-following...
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:35 PM   #11
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Atleast mystics are still being played..poor inquisitors are avoided because their heals are worthless...
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:36 PM   #12
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You may have missed it, but they are changing bleedthrough to go through ALL wards (instead of just having some bleed through the 1st ward, then 2nd ward, etc.) That means no longer can you cast group ward, and single target ward on the same tank and have it stop most of the damage. Shamans are now in the same boat as all healers have been - if that tank doesn't have great HP, he's as good as dead. No longer the dominate healer.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:44 PM   #13
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The guy LITERALLY said they want Autoattack to be a top parser for Mystics so they can use a 2her again. That's where I came to that conclusion.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:45 PM   #14
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Still the dominant healer because you're STILL able to stop damage that other healers have to reactively heal.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:55 PM   #15
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Guess you never played a melee class. You have to watch your position, joust aoes etc. a lot more satisfying than max range and throwing ascensions with nothing else to do while they are down. If CA's and auto attack was worth something it would be more fun
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:01 PM   #16
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Lol, I've played, and currently do, play melee. There was nothing "fun" about autoattack. Jousting and Positional attacks have zero to do with making autoattack a significant portion of dps. You asked for a large part of mystic dps to come from doing nothing. That's what autoattack is, doing nothing. Thus, why it's called AUTOattack.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:05 PM   #17
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As an assassin i support this message 1,000% The art of melee dps is almost lost in current eq2. Auto attack was not just AFK damage as some state. It was AFK damage for noobs who did not know how to use it to maximize their total DPS output. Timing auto attacks, jousting, positioning, and timing temp buffs were all part of the fun and frustration at times. Not to mention many classes where given buffs like Flurry, DPS, Multi ATK, and Haste. These buffs have become almost useless, without any true replacement. Class balance was built around with auto attack DPS in mind, yet they decided to remove that aspect from the game basically. Leaving many classes like melee Healers hanging out to dry, and asking what do they bring to the group.

Its time to use a spell all healers have and REVIVE the Inquisitor class.
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:13 PM   #18
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I don't feel either shaman needs a boost. You already bring more to a group/raid in terms of healing/utility than most other healers.
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:14 PM   #19
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Also, if you want what defilers have, betray. Giving everybody what others has doesn't force anybody to weigh pros/cons anymore.
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:34 PM   #20
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Mystics are supposed to be the offensive shaman and defilers the defensive shaman... I'm not sure why boosting mystic dps would be 'making everybody the same'.....
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:45 PM   #21
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Do you really believe that 3, 4 or even 11% increase to proffesion abilities would make any difference? They do near to nothing for the last several expansions. Up to 80% of priest dps come from Ascension spells, the other 20% are from a few unic class abilities (like Hammer for a Templar, Current for Warden or autoattack for Inquisitor). The rest of class dps abilities are garbage, do 1-2% of the overall dps at the best and only worth being used to proc something.

The increase should be 300, 400 and 1100% to make them noticable on the parcer.
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:46 PM   #22
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All I'm saying is shamans shouldn't be the top dpsing healers when you're already the best HEALers. Maybe defilers are over tuned and need to see some adjustments, but boosting a class simply because your partner class has this or that doesn't make sense. If that's the case, consolidate to 14 classes and be done with it
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Old 10-10-2018, 09:50 PM   #23
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Most healers have wards. If bleedthrough goes through ALL wards, it no longer matters if you have 5 abilities that add wards or 1 because the bleedthrough is going to go through all of them anyway. For example:

Before:
Defiler for example casts single ward, then group ward, maybe bane of warding, etc (has nothing but wards casted).
Templar for example casts repent (ward) and reactive heals.

Mob hits for 10 million dmg, 50% bleedthrough. Defiler's first ward takes 5 million dmg, defiler's second ward take 2.5 million, defiler's third ward take 1.25 million dmg, target gets hit with 1.25 million dmg.

Templar's repent absorbs 5 million dmg, target takes 5 million and gets healed by reactive for taking damage.

Now:
Defiler casts all the same spells. Templar casts all the same spells.

Mob hits for same amount, same bleedthrough, defiler's first ward takes 5 million dmg, all other wards do nothing at all, target takes 5 million dmg, defiler has no reactive heals on target.

Templar's repent absorbs 5 million dmg, target takes 5 million and gets healed by reactive for taking damage.

Replace defiler with mystic and templar with other healers, and repent with other healer's various wards and the situation stays the same.
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Old 10-10-2018, 10:25 PM   #24
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Yet you're still warding 5M damage that never sees a body. You still have abilities that let you heal the damage that gets through. Your wards are recastable as fast as the other healers reactive healing abilities, how are you not the dominant healers?
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:08 AM   #25
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Because shaman, especially mystics, lack tools to heal the damage that gets through their wards.
EVERY healer class can cast some wards now, if they spec for it. The fact that shaman can cast multiple wards is now mostly useless... since stacking them doesn't help.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:35 AM   #26
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They don't bring everything lol.. almost every healer gets a ward now.. now geomancers get a ward..class rune is meh considering the negative effects are offset by bolster aa.. mystic DPS has dropped off considerably to what it used to be..2 of those 3 getting the boost also can dps nicely already.. and a well played channeler (not a lot of people play them well) can parse very well..this is why the question was asked.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:44 AM   #27
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actually TOV was templars and druids.. cures was king..Furies rune is ridiculous as it has been for the last 3 expacs.. every single healer can solo heal.. I have seen it done..sometimes mages may have to come and help cure (kinda the reason they have one) etc..the question was.. what about mystics as 2 of the 3 that got boosts were offensive healers and the channeler well played is pretty solid as well.

what is class balance..if you base everything off a heal parse ( and I'm sure you don't) then it doesn't matter.. yes shamans prevent damage..that's mechanics.. to offset they introduced bleedthrough, and of course it doesn't work like its supposed to, sometimes allowing more through than supposed to..the game was set up for group in mind. Raids got used to using only 6 healers the majority of the time so they started making it hurt more to bring others back..shaman will always be in MT group (except TOV) to prevent damage.. damage that is direct to tank.. any other healer can pretty much solo heal even t4 raid mobs currently.. I've watched a warden do it easily.. just saying.. is balance where one class is king of heals, one class is king of dps, one is meh.. and the last on its own channeler just out to dry? There is no such thing as balance and probably never will be because each thinks theirs is/should be better Smile
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:45 AM   #28
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if healers want wards then play a shaman lol.. but almost every healer has a ward.. and wardens with icewater is off the charts Smile
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Old 10-11-2018, 02:32 AM   #29
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11% to profession abilities is not a huge tweak for Inquisitor. Since many of the Inquisitor class defining buffs were about enhancing the groups melee abilities the entire spell book and AA's would need to be redefined to have real impact on game play. Most of the debuffs have no quantifiable or noticeable effects on encounters. Almost all spells and abilities have been made useless over time without any over hall. The best thing that could be done to bring life back to the class would be making melee combat a reasonable % of overall damage and taking a look at how the abilities still effect encounters in these potency inflated times.
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Old 10-11-2018, 04:47 AM   #30
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Easy boys
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