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Old 11-12-2004, 02:12 AM   #1
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Would it be better for Swashbucklers to use 1 handed weapons or dual wielding?
 
How about Assassins and Brigands? 1 handed or dual weilding?
 
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Old 11-12-2004, 06:15 PM   #2
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Hi.
 
I am a rogue, closing up on level 13, and planning on becoming a swashie.
 
I think 2 weapons is preffered, shield does block but with nice AGI evading is good and should be as good(better?) protection as a shield and I do like the abillity to hit something twice each round with my 2 weapons. It also looks better imho SMILEY
 
I also absolutely love the way animation/sounds and effects are shown/synced to, hearing and seeing that 'HAIHA! chop chop chop (HO glow effect) smack bang' and mob dies is nice.
 
 

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Old 11-12-2004, 07:34 PM   #3
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I use two spears, they look cool and were higher damage than the other weapons but just a tad slower. Figured the higher damage would mean higher specials for more DPS, but to be honest not certain of this.
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Old 11-12-2004, 08:28 PM   #4
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Thanks for your replies, guys. But one last thing. You mentioned using a shield, and someone did in a post similar to mine. I never even thought of that (probably because of Lineage 2). I would assume it lowers your AGI, but increases your DEF?
 
So, if I were a halfling/wood elf/ratonga (all of 30 base AGI), it would be safe to say that using a shield would probably be better because you all ready have plenty of AGI. Is this true?
 
It's weird, I only can remember seeing 1 scout with a shield, and I was thinking "what is that guy doing?!"
 
I'll probably go dual weild, since I already have 2 weapons; unless, using a shield is much better for rogues later on.
 
Please inform me if I am thinking correctly on these statements...
 
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Old 11-12-2004, 10:20 PM   #5
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Having a shield does NOT lower agi, but it does help with defense, with blocks and stuff. I am a lvl 10 rogue atm and I am using a shield. Well pretty much because I only have 1 duel wielding weapon. But as a rogue class I would say that it would be best to have 2 weapons at once, since doing damage is what will be our main focus. Let that fighter tank and use a shield we will just hack away with your 2 weapons.
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Old 11-13-2004, 12:12 AM   #6
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Use 2 weapons...
 
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Old 11-13-2004, 08:06 AM   #7
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Aye, 2 weapons is nice.
 
I just finished some quests today and running around with 1 rapier in main hand and if mobs don't die from that alone I smack'em with my left hand whip SMILEY
 
It looks nice swinging around with a whip(though it counts as a sword stat wise) SMILEY
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Old 11-13-2004, 12:50 PM   #8
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A rogue definately shoudl be using 2 weapons. Preferable daggers ( for speed). The reason: POISON.
 
It will increase your DPS considerably. At level 10, the Abrasive goo does 13-22 dmg when it goes off. Quite often it goes off with both weapons at once. The more you swing, the more it goes off. Thats why I recommend the lowest delay daggers you can find. With 2x 1.2 delay daggers I probably proc my poison 4-5 times vs a white. They die fast. 
 
Btw, abrasive Goo costs 26c in Antonica... cheap.
 
Whips definately get style poins though SMILEY
 
 
 
 
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Old 11-13-2004, 10:22 PM   #9
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Poisons? Wow, I thought that was for predators. Are rogues supposed to use poison too? Or is Poison meant for all Scouts now?
 
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Old 11-13-2004, 10:39 PM   #10
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Poison sounds fairly rougish to me SMILEY
Predators and Rogues both use poisons.
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Old 11-14-2004, 05:14 PM   #11
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As a correction to my previous post:
 
WEapon speed doesnt affect poison. I thought it did at first, since it was supposed to be a proc. But its not. As long as you are engaged, it has a chance to go off twice at the beginning of each "round" regardless of weapon used. It may or may not be based on how many weapons you are wielding. But if you kite a mob around shooting your bow, you will get a double proc of poison quite often, and not when you are shooting,even if you miss. A lot of times, I will get a double proc as soon as I fire the opening shot, even if I miss.
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Old 11-17-2004, 02:38 PM   #12
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I like my dual whips, same DPS as daggers, but counts as slashing/sword
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Old 11-17-2004, 08:51 PM   #13
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I use sword/board when I solo or off-tank. I use dual wield in most group situations.
 
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Old 11-18-2004, 07:34 PM   #14
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You able to backstab with non piercing weapon? Would be cool/different to use a 2h weapon.
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Old 11-19-2004, 12:31 AM   #15
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We cant wield any 2h weapons.
 
And you can backstab with any weapon you can wield.
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Old 11-19-2004, 01:02 AM   #16
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i wouldn't use one weapon, that's just silly. we have the ability to dual wield so use it! our defense is horrible as it is compared to warriors so why even try to add to it with a puny shield? seriously. Our offense is higher than that of a warriors, so then we need to add more to our damage. the fighter line does damage, but is mainly for tanking. we are mainly dps, so using a shield would be using the wrong class.
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Old 11-19-2004, 04:29 AM   #17
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Still, as a rogue/swashbuckler, we have some ability to do some tanking. So I would bring a sword + board jsut for those rare instances. Ive had to tank a few times, at least temporarily. We get some nice taunt abilities, but they are single target only, so you wont tank often especially against multiple mobs. Turn on some defense buffs and you can grab a shaman ( for ward) and you are good to go.
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Old 11-19-2004, 05:51 AM   #18
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I use axe/dagger (got a nice low delay axe with good dps) just so I can up slashing/piercing at the same time.
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Old 11-19-2004, 03:59 PM   #19
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Rogues and Predators both use poisons.  One of the reasons I dual wield is that it allows me to use two different types of poison, instead of just one.  Though, I've been getting into some situations where I'm generating a lot more hate than the tank, and that cuts down on my damage a lot.  I've been thinking about going with a single weapon, or a pair of slow ones.  From what I understood of EQ, the more times you hit, the more hate you build.  I'm just assuming it's the same way in EQ2?  It'd be worth finding out, especially if a single, higher-damage weapon allows combat maneuvers to do more damage.
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Old 11-20-2004, 09:13 AM   #20
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Bihlbo wrote:
Rogues and Predators both use poisons.  One of the reasons I dual wield is that it allows me to use two different types of poison, instead of just one.  Though, I've been getting into some situations where I'm generating a lot more hate than the tank, and that cuts down on my damage a lot.  I've been thinking about going with a single weapon, or a pair of slow ones.  From what I understood of EQ, the more times you hit, the more hate you build.  I'm just assuming it's the same way in EQ2?  It'd be worth finding out, especially if a single, higher-damage weapon allows combat maneuvers to do more damage.



Poisons arent applied to your weapons. They are applied to your character. Ive had 5 on at once....
 
I dont think hate works the same way in EQ2 either. If It did I would be screwed. I use 1.2 delay weapons. I hit 4 times(normal) for a tanks 1 hit. Add in there a combat art just about every round and there would be no way any tank could hold hate. Who knows though.
 
I have also not noticed any change in damage between a slow sword ( one hander) and fast but light hitting weapons. Seems independant, or based on weapon "con" not dmg or stats. Dunno. Maybe it adds dual weidl stats together for arts, but I cant tell a difference.
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Old 11-22-2004, 01:57 PM   #21
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Pretty sure poison isn't specific to daggers. I use bow, blackened rapier and whip and think I get poison on all three.
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Old 11-23-2004, 01:46 AM   #22
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Poison is a buff on the character. Doesn't matter what weapon you use.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:33 AM   #23
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I am a firm believer in using dual wield. As a Swashbuckler much of my damage comes from poison and doubling the weapons used doubles the chances for poison damage. I use very low delay weapons; one pierce and one slash to better keep my skills current. I think that the extra protection a shield offers is more than negated by the extra damage that second weapon provides.
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:09 PM   #24
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seems to me all weapons at a set level do the same damage (on a vendor that sells weapons at 22 silver each) , ie 2 fast daggers will do the same damage as one slow sword, they are all equal damge wise if you work the stats out.
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:49 PM   #25
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I looked for the dev post that I read on this a while back and couldn't find it, but they specifically stated that dual weild weapons were balanced so that they did the same damage per second as an equal level one handed or two handed weapon.  The advantages with dual weilding come from the double stats you can add from holding two weapons that give stat boosts.  With sheilds you get the added stats and blocking abilities.  So, the theory stated by them was that a dual weilding scout does the same damage over time as a scout with a two handed weapon or a scout with a one handed weapon and a sheild.  I've not tested this to see if they actually implemented it correctly, but I did read that this was their intent as far as weapon choice and dps is concerned.  Personally, I weild two weapons for the additional stats.  But it depends on what equipment I have access to, so who knows.  Just use what you like, especially if weapons/dps is balanced as they intended.
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:52 PM   #26
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See now that would be completely out of balance it things worked as stated above.
 
For one, you'd get MORE armor class using a shield AND get stat bonuses(good quest shields), as well you'd do the same damage as someone dual wielding.
 
I believe that dual wielding and two handed weapons do more damage over 1 handed and a shield.
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Old 12-01-2004, 07:35 AM   #27
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Im working on a swashbuckler not a warrior I dont want nor need a shield. Right now Im using a rapier and a whip so that I can keep both my piercing and slashing skills up to par as I level. What I will use as I gain levels really depends on what I get as loot or in a good trade. I will most likely always have at least one rapier just becuase I cant imagine a Swashbuckler without one.
 
The funny thing is Swashbuckler has the name of a shield in its name. Maybe I should rethink this and go buckler and epee. Who knows I will tell you when I get the equipment. SMILEY
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Old 12-01-2004, 05:09 PM   #28
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The word "buckler" in the name "swashbuckler" does not refer to the shield, in the same way the word "set" has about 100+ meanings in the enligh language. So keep using 2 weapons imo =)
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