EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

 

Go Back   EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire > EverQuest II > Class Discussion > Fighter's Arena > Monk
Members List Search Mark Forums Read

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-08-2005, 09:44 AM   #1
Ygg_Vafhun

General
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4
Default

I dont know about you guys, but Ive always felt the Monk was more of the Ninja role class of the game ,along with the brigand and assassin.The reason i think of that is the martial arts, the ninja practiced the art of ninjitsu, ( correct me if im wrong ) and employed many methods of seath, assassination, espionge, theivery and scouting. Monk, Brigand and Assassin all employ these skills, but only the monk use martial arts.I just have a gripe about the weapon choice for the monk, mostly being limited to only blunt staved weapons. I always thought, being so closey tied to a Ninja, we would be allowed to use sharp or small slicing weapons. Sai's, daggers, kuri's etc. Also, most of the higher level monk armors, 30+ look ninja-like. While I dont think a monk should be exactly like the real life ninja, it would be a nice change of pace from the traditional DnD role.But honestly, the lack of armor and weapon choices drove me to play a berserker more then my monk. Always had a fetish for collecting weapons and armor...Vainqueur 30monkKashama 24berserker
Ygg_Vafhun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2005, 09:51 AM   #2
Bad_Mojo

Loremaster
Bad_Mojo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Colorado
Posts: 341
Default



Ygg_Vafhundr wrote:
I dont know about you guys, but Ive always felt the Monk was more of the Ninja role class of the game ,along with the brigand and assassin.

The reason i think of that is the martial arts, the ninja practiced the art of ninjitsu, ( correct me if im wrong ) and employed many methods of seath, assassination, espionge, theivery and scouting. Monk, Brigand and Assassin all employ these skills, but only the monk use martial arts.

I just have a gripe about the weapon choice for the monk, mostly being limited to only blunt staved weapons. I always thought, being so closey tied to a Ninja, we would be allowed to use sharp or small slicing weapons. Sai's, daggers, kuri's etc.

Also, most of the higher level monk armors, 30+ look ninja-like. While I dont think a monk should be exactly like the real life ninja, it would be a nice change of pace from the traditional DnD role.

But honestly, the lack of armor and weapon choices drove me to play a berserker more then my monk. Always had a fetish for collecting weapons and armor...

Vainqueur 30monk
Kashama 24berserker


Actually, I think the monks in EQ2 are the more historical, zen filled, peace before violence type of monk (think shaolin).  Talking to the monk NPC's in Elddar grove only seems to reinforce that mindset.  Honestly, I don't think the developer's had any intent to have 'ninja' anything in the game... EQ2 is classic sword and sorcery fantasy, not ninja-to and wu-jen fantasy.
Bad_Mojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2005, 10:11 AM   #3
Ygg_Vafhun

General
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4
Default

Hmm, read up about the Wu-jen fantasy from DnD, very very intresting. I can see the difference now, still hard to make a monk class without a tie to eastern oriental fantasy, but understand the style.
Ygg_Vafhun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2005, 10:13 AM   #4
Sant

 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 174
Default

Well of course you can roleplay them as ninja's to your hearts content but I dont really think monks are ninjas.
 
First of all most ninja lore gives them an evil taint, I think assassin is a closer parallel even though
special forces mercenary seems to be the ninja forta. they were covert ops troops that worked for the highest bidder
from what I have read.
 
Monks are individuals that have dedicated there lives to the perfection of the physical and the spiritual.
Through the training of the body they hope to gain a better understanding of the spirit. Their motives are
for the good of mankind not for the enrichment of a clan.
Sant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2005, 11:13 AM   #5
Cora

 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 244
Default

I'm the monk from kill bill 2, with furry boobies.
Cora is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2005, 03:32 PM   #6
Reikets

 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4
Default

^ Haha,
Reikets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2005, 04:34 PM   #7
andor

 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 13
Default

Monks and Ninja are two entirely different things.  Ninja don't exist in EQII - no class really mirrors the position Ninja had in Japanese myth.  Monks are somewhat clumsily added to EQ2 (and EQ for that matter) because monks aside, the game is pretty standard western fantasy.  Monks really don't fit into that very well, and it kind-of shows in the game implementation too.  For instance, the Japanese name of the monk master in Queynos - and yet there arn't any other Japanese names ANYWHERE.
andor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2005, 08:46 PM   #8
Huflu

General
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 25
Default

Monks seem to fit into everquest about as well as they fit into dungeons and dragons.  But they seem to found their way into each respective setting for one reason and one reason only....
 
We dorks think they're cool.
__________________
Huflu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2005, 10:38 AM   #9
Jamboman

 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 14
Default

well as has been said a few times already, i think i'll do a short and sweet version myself.
Ninja = Assasin - paid hitman, evil in nature and with stealth skills.
Shaolin Monk = Monk - peacfull untill attacked, good in nature and calm.
assasin is the closest to a ninja due to its stealth skills etc and the way they hunt. a classic ninja would never have used martial arts, because they didnt need to, they could kill a man from distance or before he even reacted, rather like a modern day sniper.
__________________
Etal - Fury. Darathar Server
Siilath - Bruiser. Hatharius - Berzerker. Runnyeye Server
Jamboman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2005, 11:57 AM   #10
SeTSwi

 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 155
Default



Jambomango wrote:
 a classic ninja would never have used martial arts, because they didnt need to, they could kill a man from distance or before he even reacted, rather like a modern day sniper.



Sorry, but what?
 
Ninjas were masters at deception, not ranged.  Though, depending on the wording, I might agree on the 'befre he even reacted' part, they are definitely not the modern day sniper. 
SeTSwi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2005, 04:51 PM   #11
Kwonryu_DragonFi

 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 183
Default

I recommend you all to watch the old movie : Shaolin VS Ninja
 
Monks > Ninja
 
But then again, add Pirate to the mix and it gets more complicated.
 
We have all read about the constant bickering between Pirate and Ninja.
 
 
Kwonryu_DragonFi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2005, 06:08 PM   #12
Troja

 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 77
Default

Bad_Mojo:"Actually, I think the monks in EQ2 are the more historical, zen filled, peace before violence type of monk (think shaolin). Talking to the monk NPC's in Elddar grove only seems to reinforce that mindset. Honestly, I don't think the developer's had any intent to have 'ninja' anything in the game... EQ2 is classic sword and sorcery fantasy, not ninja-to and wu-jen fantasy."AMEN!!!Totaly agree!Everytime someone says "ninja" i think they are thinking of FFXI (horrid game). Besides "ninja" really wouldn't fit in.
__________________
----------------------------------------------------------------
"Imagination is knowledge in a different form."
Troja is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:21 AM.

vBulletin skin by: CompleteGFX.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All threads and posts originally from the EQ2 and Station forums operated by Sony Online Entertainment. Their use is by express written permission.