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Old 05-23-2012, 07:03 AM   #1
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A quik question, do the mythical weapons drop in the solo zones to?

I know there drop mythical neckpieces in the Dracur Prime Solo (Advanced Solo)

My guildy got: aITEM -283086937 -1489714007:Mender's Chain of Veeshan's Will/a

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Yes 'mythical' weapons drop in solo zones.

This was done because of an entitlement mentality, the things are not really that good, they just bear the mythical tag, I am not sure if it is funny or sad that this actually worked and the people getting them think they have actually achieved something. I mean you can give a teething infant a wet dishrag and it will gurgle and coo for hours.

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fully agree with you lempo, freaking crazy a solo or heroic zone can drop "Mythical" weapons, the rating on them is so good they will replace my drunder and pow 6 sec one SMILEY so i still want 1

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I wish they would have just expanded on everyones epic quest. Like every new tier of equipment they add on a heroic quest and raid quest. Not a whole new line, just additional 2-4 'big' quests.
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raiders want the weapon for the damage rating, they also want the mythical shield because the protection rating on it is higher than any known shield in the game atm.

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LOL.

http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/184588050

Just sold for 2k in auction.

Far too common if they are already being auctioned off.

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Evolt wrote:

A quik question, do the mythical weapons drop in the solo zones to?

I know there drop mythical neckpieces in the Dracur Prime Solo (Advanced Solo)

My guildy got: aITEM -283086937 -1489714007:Mender's Chain of Veeshan's Will/a

I believe necks and shoulders drop in solo zones. Only myth I've seen was the bow from HM Lyceum, someone I know got a weapon day 1 from CD easy mode. There is a thread on flames with some good info about them and where they drop compiled from "interviewing" people who discoed them.

Tbh if they are dropping in solo zones they need to make the challenge mode zones drop them more commonly, like someone said its not like you are achieving something, you just get lucky. I'd be curious to see when zam updates the actual drop chance its gotta be close to the drunder ones at .1% or .05%.

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I believe necks and shoulders drop in solo zones. Only myth I've seen was the bow from HM Lyceum, someone I know got a weapon day 1 from CD easy mode. There is a thread on flames with some good info about them and where they drop compiled from "interviewing" people who discoed them.

Tbh if they are dropping in solo zones they need to make the challenge mode zones drop them more commonly, like someone said its not like you are achieving something, you just get lucky. I'd be curious to see when zam updates the actual drop chance its gotta be close to the drunder ones at .1% or .05%.

I'm not sure what zones what items drop in. What I am sure of is there is nothing in the Skyshrine content that is difficult enough to warrant a drop with the stats that those have much less anything with a mythical tag.

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raiders want the weapon for the damage rating, they also want the mythical shield because the protection rating on it is higher than any known shield in the game atm.

or atleast add them to the droplist of final nameds in the raidzones :S

it is silly an item drops in a zone you can box that is better then any raiddrop

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Evolt wrote:

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raiders want the weapon for the damage rating, they also want the mythical shield because the protection rating on it is higher than any known shield in the game atm.

or atleast add them to the droplist of final nameds in the raidzones :S

it is silly an item drops in a zone you can box that is better then any raiddrop

Right now the best bows available are either a mythical bow that drops in a group zone, or a fabled mastercrafted bow that needs parts from raid zones. According to ZAM no scout bows are even listed for PoW anymore. I remember two being listed on there before.

It's amazing they keep finding ways to mess up itemization.

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@ allThat's ok. Thus, solo and group players sometimes be proud of a good item. The items are extremely rare and only place via a bug so often drops off in the initial phase, the addon.It must not be the only raider, which are very much in the content, to have everything and others have nothing.Raiders have the same chance to come to these items as everyone else. In addition, the items in the stats worse than the raid gear rating, except for the protection and value of the damage.In the plane of the war, there are also mythical gear for raider only, then with the appropriate raid gear stats.

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In the plane of the war, there are also mythical gear for raider only

Link one that someone has looted.

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Kippah wrote:

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In the plane of the war, there are also mythical gear for raider only

Link one that someone has looted.

These are extremely rare, as I said, I have no idea if anyone has one looted. That it exists is known, there have also been linked to what the chats, for example, the shield of "Ralos Zek". Only in serious times, how many guys make it to the mobs in the "Plane of War" to kill, when viewed in relation to the extremely low drop rate?Hardly any people in the world have so much time and / or are possessed so fanatical, they will achieve the goal of the "Plane of War"! Moreover, such people must also find more and to join together permanently, hence very few people are as much in the content.So these items are still very rare as a lot of these groups of raiders themselvesBut that's what the top raiders yet, it's no longer about having fun, but to show others that one is better and has better equipment. None sense for people who just have fun and want to achieve something.It does not matter whether something is mythical or legendary flagged, really important are the values for the players. Get in it to disturb the non raider also good items to show pure selfishness and bravado. Do something like normal little kids, not adults. And the mass of EQ2 players are adults.

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In the plane of the war, there are also mythical gear for raider only

Link one that someone has looted.

These are extremely rare, as I said, I have no idea if anyone has one looted. That it exists is known, there have also been linked to what the chats, for example, the shield of "Ralos Zek". Only in serious times, how many guys make it to the mobs in the "Plane of War" to kill, when viewed in relation to the extremely low drop rate?Hardly any people in the world have so much time and / or are possessed so fanatical, they will achieve the goal of the "Plane of War"! Moreover, such people must also find more and to join together permanently, hence very few people are as much in the content.So these items are still very rare as a lot of these groups of raiders themselvesBut that's what the top raiders yet, it's no longer about having fun, but to show others that one is better and has better equipment. None sense for people who just have fun and want to achieve something.It does not matter whether something is mythical or legendary flagged, really important are the values for the players. Get in it to disturb the non raider also good items to show pure selfishness and bravado. Do something like normal little kids, not adults. And the mass of EQ2 players are adults.

mythical items should not drop from solo or heroic zones, period. I don't know where you get this entitlement feeling but mythicals are not for everyone, only for those who kill the hardest content and it shold really stay as such.

If you are an adult, then perhaps you've learnt that what you get is directly proportional with the time and effort invested. If you are not, then grow up and stop posting stupid things.

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DamselInDistress wrote:

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Kippah wrote:

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In the plane of the war, there are also mythical gear for raider only

Link one that someone has looted.

These are extremely rare, as I said, I have no idea if anyone has one looted. That it exists is known, there have also been linked to what the chats, for example, the shield of "Ralos Zek". Only in serious times, how many guys make it to the mobs in the "Plane of War" to kill, when viewed in relation to the extremely low drop rate?Hardly any people in the world have so much time and / or are possessed so fanatical, they will achieve the goal of the "Plane of War"! Moreover, such people must also find more and to join together permanently, hence very few people are as much in the content.So these items are still very rare as a lot of these groups of raiders themselvesBut that's what the top raiders yet, it's no longer about having fun, but to show others that one is better and has better equipment. None sense for people who just have fun and want to achieve something.It does not matter whether something is mythical or legendary flagged, really important are the values for the players. Get in it to disturb the non raider also good items to show pure selfishness and bravado. Do something like normal little kids, not adults. And the mass of EQ2 players are adults.

mythical items should not drop from solo or heroic zones, period. I don't know where you get this entitlement feeling but mythicals are not for everyone, only for those who kill the hardest content and it shold really stay as such.

If you are an adult, then perhaps you've learnt that what you get is directly proportional with the time and effort invested. If you are not, then grow up and stop posting stupid things.

What has invested time to do with how good someone is? What has time invested to do with how hard a mob is?Is it hard to kill 24 over top geared raiders a HM mob?Or is it hard to solo a Heroic zone to clear?Most top HM raider I know are unscrupulous ignoramuses. You use any bug exploit to achieve their goal each. Specify for how great they are, while they can be just as much as they achieved in part by cheating and evasion of scripts by dps. There is nothing honorable about what it deserves to be rewarded with mythical items. Of course there are exceptions but that is at least for us rather than the rule.And why are solo players who can just as much time and effort invested will not be rewarded with good things? Usually it is anyway lucky to get a little drop. Gets to raid it or who has more points depending on the rules of which it takes. => Usually wrong!Or look at the people in the group of zones, as many push demand even though they have no need!The only thing here is not well thought out is your statement on my posting. In addition, you can indeed another opinion as I am, but just your attitude on the issue is the arrogant bravado that I mean. And leave it to insult me , I do not even with you! If you look at the shoes and put on yourself stuck in a niche you're to blame.Raider are just normal players, just with better gear. You are no better, rather the opposite.I am also a fanatic player, so what? That is not long maybe I should treat people so bad as others do in a game just to get the best stuff.

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DamselInDistress wrote:

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It does not matter whether something is mythical or legendary flagged, really important are the values for the players. Get in it to disturb the non raider also good items to show pure selfishness and bravado. Do something like normal little kids, not adults. And the mass of EQ2 players are adults.

mythical items should not drop from solo or heroic zones, period. I don't know where you get this entitlement feeling but mythicals are not for everyone, only for those who kill the hardest content and it shold really stay as such.

If you are an adult, then perhaps you've learnt that what you get is directly proportional with the time and effort invested. If you are not, then grow up and stop posting stupid things.

You must understand that he is from the EU and this is not nor has it been the mentality there for some time, and it has infected the U.S. like a plague of locusts which in turn is the biggest contributing factor to the economies of both being in the tank right now.

*snrk*

Yeah, right.  It is not now, nor has it EVER been like this.  In game or out.  I'm sure the pro football/baseball/basketball player puts in SO much more time and effort as compared to a professional with a PhD. doing their thing in a lab or a clinic or on a dig site in the desert.  Hell, the physicians expend SO much more effort and time compared to the other professionals they work in tandem with, right?  They ought to make 5-10 times as much based on that (in the case of the second)?

As to the game, with few exceptions, as I understand it, the mythicals that are coming out of the solo and group zones aren't even as good as the stuff that comes from raiding.  Even though there are some items that are better in some regards (weapons with their DR), that's not that big a deal.  There's almost always been something from those "lower" content types that have been useful, otherwise the incentive isn't really there.  Ring from NHT anyone?  Just because the stuff has a mythical tag doesn't make it out of place.

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Yeah, right.  It is not now, nor has it EVER been like this.  In game or out.  I'm sure the pro football/baseball/basketball player puts in SO much more time and effort as compared to a professional with a PhD. doing their thing in a lab or a clinic or on a dig site in the desert.  Hell, the physicians expend SO much more effort and time compared to the other professionals they work in tandem with, right?  They ought to make 5-10 times as much based on that (in the case of the second)?

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That's interesting, because nowhere do I see people clammoring for raid gear without raiding, or mythical gear without running the content that DROPS it.  All I see at the moment is a bunch of raiders whining about the fact that you can get rare "mythical" drops from non-raid content.  And those drops aren't even that good, comparatively speaking.

And nothing I said in any way leads to the endpoints you proclaim it does.  You seem to think that the US has, in the past, and does to a lesser degree now, appropriately reward people based on time and effort expended.  Generally speaking that reward is measured monetarily.  I was simply pointing out that you're misconstruing the way society works, and has worked for a long, long time.

Ideally, each person would be compensated appropriately based on the value they add to society.  But frankly, the people who gain the most are the ones who deliberately decrease the value of that society, with few exceptions.

Honestly though, this is an irrelevant socioeconomic debate, not related to the game except by fairly silly comparisons drawn.  The point is, the complaining about where the mythicals come from and comparing them to welfare smacks of elitist jealousy.  If you want them, go out and do what it takes to get them, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO.

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Honestly though, this is an irrelevant socioeconomic debate, not related to the game except by fairly silly comparisons drawn.  The point is, the complaining about where the mythicals come from and comparing them to welfare smacks of elitist jealousy.  If you want them, go out and do what it takes to get them, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO.

Probably going to have to do that (if I wanted one to begin with) because there is a total resistance to get any of the itemization issues that we have fixed, actually we can not even get them acknowledged for the most part, of course that doesn't impact you so you revel in it, happy to see the 'elitist'  with issues like that, your vitriol towards raiders that you so clearly exhibit shows that, and you continue to prove my point. So thank you once again. 

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It does not matter whether something is mythical or legendary flagged, really important are the values for the players. Get in it to disturb the non raider also good items to show pure selfishness and bravado. Do something like normal little kids, not adults. And the mass of EQ2 players are adults.

mythical items should not drop from solo or heroic zones, period. I don't know where you get this entitlement feeling but mythicals are not for everyone, only for those who kill the hardest content and it shold really stay as such.

If you are an adult, then perhaps you've learnt that what you get is directly proportional with the time and effort invested. If you are not, then grow up and stop posting stupid things.

You must understand that he is from the EU and this is not nor has it been the mentality there for some time, and it has infected the U.S. like a plague of locusts which in turn is the biggest contributing factor to the economies of both being in the tank right now.

I am from the EU as well and I still don't agree with his points ...

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Ingerimm if you are a solo player then you dont need fabled and mythical items. You want the best items, go out there and cear hard mode instances and raids. Until then you don't deserve the best stuff in the game regardless of all your excuses

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Facts:

1. The "Sever" mythical sword is best in slot for both scouts (of the 6.0s, anyway) and fighters.

2. The Awakened spear mythical is the best obtainable 4.0 for scouts and second best for fighters (best obtainable because while Sullon's Wrath is technically better[dual wielding spear/wrath would be #1], scouts would have to bid against fighters for it and since fighters all pay 1 dkp for their gear they almost always have more dkp than any scout.)

3. Mage/Priest 2hs are best in slot for their respective archetypes. Mage 2h is 2nd best in slot for priests. Priest 2h is probably 2nd best in slot for mages but idk.

4. Ranged weapons for fighter/scout all best in slot, not so for mages/priests. Fighter shield also best in slot.

5. Scout neck is best in slot if you don't have a severity effect on another item, Eye of Theldek is best in slot if you do (Plane of War neck worse than both.) Idk about other archetype's necks, haven't looked at them.

6. All shoulders are most definitely not best in slot, some are even worse than drunder hm.

7. Brawler 1h/2h both suck, other shields are meh, and everything I didn't mention is probably bad.

Also, I assume the mythical cloaks/shield drop from Rallos Zek (or General Teku or whoever the last named is), and they're (the cloaks) all terrible. Last I checked a few weeks ago, skyshrine heroic/raid crafted scout cloaks are better than all 7 mythical cloaks, fighter cloaks are just lolbad, and mage/priest cloaks are worse than red slot cloaks.

Edit: Lol. If they even drop anymore. They got removed from ZAM, just like the house that was supposed to drop from Vallon Zek but never did.

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It's almost like they are TRYING to sabotage raiding. What's the point of raiding if it doesn't drop better gear for every slot than heroic? Not saying that the hardest heroic shouldn't drop better than the easiest raid content. But the hardest raid content should blow ALL heroic drops out of the water by a far margin. That's the entire goal of hard raid content: best of the best loot. This is no longer the case. It's like they are making raid loot just to hold you over until you get rare heroic drops.I got real depressed last night when my guild was working on progression and a non-raider in the guild looted a mythical weapon from a heroic zone that's better than any of us will get raiding.Ignorant, to say the least. There isn't a single rational argument supporting this type of itemization other than they are trying to phase out raiding in favor of more grouping. Otherwise they just simply don't know what they are doing.

Again I have NO problem with heroic zones dropping awesome gear. But whatever those zones drop, there should be even better versions that drop in raids. Always.

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Edit: Lol. If they even drop anymore. They got removed from ZAM, just like the house that was supposed to drop from Vallon Zek but never did.

The scout bows in PoW got removed from ZAM as well. Even though there are several people who have looted the one off of boar in the past.

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30+ minute Vyskudra kills that drop bad gear? Totally worth it.

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This is the first I've heard of it.  Must be pretty rare.

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And now the lockout for these solo zones is 90 minutes.

It would be nice to have a positive change to the challenge raiding scene right now, as for me its really starting to look like a dead way to play the game. For those of us who raid for character progression time is probably more wisely spent just spending a couple hours a week doing EM skyshrine stuff for similar loot and farming the hell out of the solo zone. 

Please sort this stuff out before it gets worse and you nerf more HM gear or make raiding even more redundant or some other detrimental change.

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Ingerimm if you are a solo player then you dont need fabled and mythical items. You want the best items, go out there and cear hard mode instances and raids. Until then you don't deserve the best stuff in the game regardless of all your excuses

Hey, is quite frankly the whole thing does not matter to me. I do not begrudge people simple simply too good items on the raid gear, it is not approached before.Just because it is flagged it is far from mythical, still good. It's not bad really, but it is not outstanding.It is as it should be for solo and group. Most of the stuff the bear raid are players who have bought expensive, but the point is that those who got nothing, just envious that they did not have as much luck as the drop rate bug.Anyone who has such an item will behave nice and quiet and hope they do not return the items nerfs as it was in the tank shield "Kunzar Jungle." Where they have suddenly made the shield value of broken and had paid all a bunch of platinum to get to the shield.I'm all raid, groups and solo player, what's the problem? I have no such item but I do not begrudge those that had so much luck. I do not care if the items are mythical, I also wear these would if it were legendary, and for that they had stats.The drop rate bug is fixed, now if every 10000 or 100 000 cases a mythical item falls with groups and solo stats, what's the problem?Envy you is not good people, maybe you have also times as much luck and you will change your opinion and you, then it patched out.  LoL

And here for as an example for comparison Drunder Mythicals:aITEM -1447873446 1289741018:Obsidian War Bow/a looted from Pudaanza Nagafen Mar 27, 2012 @ 84819 pmaITEM -1266107111 -149572368:Sullon's Vengeful Focus/a....aITEM 1624836902 849063128:Sullon's Wrath/a....aITEM 720119994 319832847:Sullon's Wrathful Focus/a...

It's funny that you complain to a few simple mythical items come with her but since these items to the most. Even if their most since the content is and remains a chance for you too get to such a negligible item. With a chance to solo and group areas, so your chances would be greater. And if they nerfed the items or take it out of the game are all top raider possess such items also affected and will get upset like hell.

Easy to solo players usually have no 2000 - to 5000 platin bid for the items in the chat board. In general, the raiders, which the old raid zones as do solo PR or VP. 

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You can't marginalize these mythicals, some are first or second best in slot compared to all known raid gear.It's not because they are called 'mythicals'It's not because some people have them and others don'tIt's because their damage is some of the best if not THE best and they don't drop in the hardest content. So the whole 'they have solo stats' or 'legendary stats' is incorrect.

Second best bow in the game for rangers   aITEM -488434333 -1526602797:Agent's Longbow of Veeshan's Valor/a

http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3806532963

This is a huge mistake as far as I am concerned.

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You can't marginalize these mythicals, some are first or second best in slot compared to all known raid gear.It's not because they are called 'mythicals'It's not because some people have them and others don'tIt's because their damage is some of the best if not THE best and they don't drop in the hardest content. So the whole 'they have solo stats' or 'legendary stats' is incorrect.

Second best bow in the game for rangers   aITEM -488434333 -1526602797:Agent's Longbow of Veeshan's Valor/a

http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3806532963

This is a huge mistake as far as I am concerned.

As long as SLR exists, your argument holds zero weight to me. 

Personally I think it's a brilliant move, as long as the drop rate is really low like it appears to be.  I had stopped doing the daily solo content.  But if a mythical is on the loot table--sure, I'll spend a few minutes running it, even if I may never see one.  Just like I still check my researchers for a collosal reactant.  None of these factors stop me from doing group content or participating as a raid scrub on occasion.  It's just another carrot in the game that keeps me playing, which is why I think it's brilliant to have a small chance at a really good item.

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Old 05-30-2012, 06:25 PM   #29
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ok, how many of you folks that claim 'soloers don't need that stuff' also sell loot rights?

anything obtainable via SC codes traded for plat should also drop in solo zones.

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Old 05-30-2012, 09:00 PM   #30
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If these were just really good fabled items, most people wouldn't care. But the mythical tag is (was...) for high end raid content.

I don't mind soloing covenant district daily for a chance at 3 best in slot items for my beastlord (awakened spear of division, scaled sling of dracur, and whatever the scout neck is named)

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