This is what happens if Lifeburn does not scale with other stats.

Enigma · 11-04-2014, 07:07 AM

As you can see lifeburn is really doing pitiful damage while one Unda Arcanus did more damage in a single hit (49m) than my total amount of 10x ticks of lifeburn combined(29m).Given the fact that this is a risky spell to cast with AE pulsing for 300k-900k in these new raids it should be doing far more damage than it is now and also the 2.5 base casting time is not helping matters(don't know why casting speed is not reducing the cast time when it should.) This is not the only thing that currently has issues, the undead horde has too long of a base reuse timer(it should be around 2mins atleast) and the vamp orb's damage is way to low, it needs be able to scale with double cast and have it's base cast time/reuse time reduced(necro's need AE potential). Then there is siphoning of souls! This ability needs to be a proc like Graverot/Lich form with a high chance of proc'ing the debuff on the mobs and some of the abilities have low base healing/damage like the temp pet from this ability hardly does any damage and the soothing soul hardly heals for anything. The necromancer is behind in both single target and AE damage(unless the mobs are linked) compared to sorcerer's and conj's(not too far behind our counterpart though).

Enigma · 11-04-2014, 07:30 AM

Siphoning of soul abilities need more charges as well!

Meshuggahx · 11-04-2014, 09:05 AM

Nerf poisons and auto attack dmg firest tbh Tongue

Meshuggahx · 11-04-2014, 09:05 AM

Also the hell, vampire bats does more than lifeburn? that's stupid as crap.

Anunnaki · 11-04-2014, 05:56 PM

I guess Unda isn't as bad as everyone was making it out to be.

EDIT: I haven't logged into Beta for a little bit, so I'm sure it has been changed.

Iseous · 11-04-2014, 06:22 PM

They changed it quite a bit, increased damage, it's now instant cast/recovery, lower reuse.

But yeah, lifeburn definitely needs to get changed a lot.

Enigma · 11-04-2014, 07:12 PM

I believe that was a mythical crit or fabled crit not sure plus TW also increases it's damage by a bit since it scales with double cast now.

I have yet to use the first prestige ability as well :/

Enigma · 11-04-2014, 08:02 PM

It's funny because even Grim Wave did more damage than Lifeburn.

Buffrat · 11-04-2014, 08:52 PM

Unda hits for 49m? My dagger storm only hits for like 10m. Nerf or rito

Schnooky · 11-04-2014, 09:06 PM

If they dont increase LB damage and have it scale more appropriately for AoM content they should at least reduce the health drain.
The risk-reward is just not there anymore as it currently stands.

Anunnaki · 11-04-2014, 09:53 PM

Could you please explain this? I don't understand what you mean by this.

Ucala · 11-04-2014, 09:56 PM

Urda's damage increases with the more SDA you have, and since TW gives you 100% SDA for 5s, your Urda will hit much harder with TW active then normal

Enigma · 11-04-2014, 10:33 PM

Exactly what Ucala said in regards to TW scaling with Unda Arcanus. Back to the matter at hand though if LB remains i agree the health cost just be removed while also making it instant cast and perhaps up the chance lifetap will reset lifeburn.

Enigma · 11-04-2014, 10:35 PM

Another solution would be to nerf the damage considerably maybe by 75%? and have it scale with everything(cb/pot/ability mod/SDA/crit chance and max hp).

Anunnaki · 11-04-2014, 11:45 PM

Is there a known modifier vs %?

Enigma · 11-06-2014, 12:31 AM

Bump for some love :/

Kalika · 11-06-2014, 01:31 AM

nuts

One of our main class defining ability turned to crap Smile

This confirm my first impression, Hp pool do not scale up as much as the product of (CB+1)(Pot+1)
especially when temp pot/cb are on.

Indeed it's the whole design that is wrong, who needed temp pot/cb ? at the end all you got is some DPS number...

Enigma · 11-08-2014, 11:09 PM

Bump for justice Frown

Laserbeak · 11-10-2014, 09:35 PM

Necros lifeburn needs help and undead horde needs a minute or two lopped off it its recast timer...cuz communion on such a lower timer.. but routinely out damages horde...I said this 4-5months ago in a post to dev's when i was a necro during beg of TOV.. and it fell on deaf ears. But with recent buffs, it stands out even more.

Enigma · 11-10-2014, 09:59 PM

100% this.

11-04-2014, 09:05 AM	#3
Meshuggahx Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	Buffrat said: ↑ “Unda hits for 49m? My dagger storm only hits for like 10m. Nerf or rito” Nerf poisons and auto attack dmg firest tbh

11-04-2014, 05:56 PM	#5
Anunnaki Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	Buffrat said: ↑ “Unda hits for 49m? My dagger storm only hits for like 10m. Nerf or rito” I guess Unda isn't as bad as everyone was making it out to be. EDIT: I haven't logged into Beta for a little bit, so I'm sure it has been changed.

11-04-2014, 06:22 PM	#6
Iseous Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Anunnaki said: ↑ “I guess Unda isn't as bad as everyone was making it out to be. EDIT: I haven't logged into Beta for a little bit, so I'm sure it has been changed.” They changed it quite a bit, increased damage, it's now instant cast/recovery, lower reuse. But yeah, lifeburn definitely needs to get changed a lot.

11-04-2014, 09:53 PM	#11
Anunnaki Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	Enigma said: ↑ “plus TW also increases it's damage by a bit since it scales with double cast now. /” Could you please explain this? I don't understand what you mean by this.

11-04-2014, 09:56 PM	#12
Ucala Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Anunnaki said: ↑ “Could you please explain this? I don't understand what you mean by this.” Urda's damage increases with the more SDA you have, and since TW gives you 100% SDA for 5s, your Urda will hit much harder with TW active then normal

11-04-2014, 07:07 AM	#1
Enigma Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	As you can see lifeburn is really doing pitiful damage while one Unda Arcanus did more damage in a single hit (49m) than my total amount of 10x ticks of lifeburn combined(29m).Given the fact that this is a risky spell to cast with AE pulsing for 300k-900k in these new raids it should be doing far more damage than it is now and also the 2.5 base casting time is not helping matters(don't know why casting speed is not reducing the cast time when it should.) This is not the only thing that currently has issues, the undead horde has too long of a base reuse timer(it should be around 2mins atleast) and the vamp orb's damage is way to low, it needs be able to scale with double cast and have it's base cast time/reuse time reduced(necro's need AE potential). Then there is siphoning of souls! This ability needs to be a proc like Graverot/Lich form with a high chance of proc'ing the debuff on the mobs and some of the abilities have low base healing/damage like the temp pet from this ability hardly does any damage and the soothing soul hardly heals for anything. The necromancer is behind in both single target and AE damage(unless the mobs are linked) compared to sorcerer's and conj's(not too far behind our counterpart though).

11-04-2014, 07:30 AM	#2
Enigma Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Siphoning of soul abilities need more charges as well!

11-04-2014, 07:12 PM	#7
Enigma Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	I believe that was a mythical crit or fabled crit not sure plus TW also increases it's damage by a bit since it scales with double cast now. I have yet to use the first prestige ability as well :/

11-04-2014, 08:02 PM	#8
Enigma Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	It's funny because even Grim Wave did more damage than Lifeburn.

11-04-2014, 08:52 PM	#9
Buffrat Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Unda hits for 49m? My dagger storm only hits for like 10m. Nerf or rito

11-04-2014, 09:06 PM	#10
Schnooky Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	If they dont increase LB damage and have it scale more appropriately for AoM content they should at least reduce the health drain. The risk-reward is just not there anymore as it currently stands.

11-04-2014, 10:33 PM	#13
Enigma Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Exactly what Ucala said in regards to TW scaling with Unda Arcanus. Back to the matter at hand though if LB remains i agree the health cost just be removed while also making it instant cast and perhaps up the chance lifetap will reset lifeburn.

11-04-2014, 10:35 PM	#14
Enigma Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Another solution would be to nerf the damage considerably maybe by 75%? and have it scale with everything(cb/pot/ability mod/SDA/crit chance and max hp).

11-04-2014, 11:45 PM	#15
Anunnaki Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	Ucala said: ↑ “Urda's damage increases with the more SDA you have, and since TW gives you 100% SDA for 5s, your Urda will hit much harder with TW active then normal” Is there a known modifier vs %?

11-06-2014, 12:31 AM	#16
Enigma Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Bump for some love :/

11-06-2014, 01:31 AM	#17
Kalika Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Meshuggahx said: ↑ “Also the hell, vampire bats does more than lifeburn? that's stupid as crap.” nuts One of our main class defining ability turned to crap This confirm my first impression, Hp pool do not scale up as much as the product of (CB+1)(Pot+1) especially when temp pot/cb are on. Indeed it's the whole design that is wrong, who needed temp pot/cb ? at the end all you got is some DPS number...

11-08-2014, 11:09 PM	#18
Enigma Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Bump for justice

11-10-2014, 09:35 PM	#19
Laserbeak Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Necros lifeburn needs help and undead horde needs a minute or two lopped off it its recast timer...cuz communion on such a lower timer.. but routinely out damages horde...I said this 4-5months ago in a post to dev's when i was a necro during beg of TOV.. and it fell on deaf ears. But with recent buffs, it stands out even more.

11-10-2014, 09:59 PM	#20
Enigma Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Laserbeak said: ↑ “Necros lifeburn needs help and undead horde needs a minute or two lopped off it its recast timer...cuz communion on such a lower timer.. but routinely out damages horde...I said this 4-5months ago in a post to dev's when i was a necro during beg of TOV.. and it fell on deaf ears. But with recent buffs, it stands out even more.” 100% this.