What's the verdict on Nihlism?

SilentSam · 06-11-2005, 02:10 AM

Just dinged 45 and picked up Nihlism. It seems to be the same concept as Chaotic Maelstrom and Steal Breath...reduces poison/disease mitigation and hits the mob with a dot. It uses the same icon and refresh as Steal Breath though. I seem to be able to cast both Chaotic and Nihlism at the same time.

So my question is this: do the two dots of Nihlism and Chaotic Maelstrom stack with each other? Does the 800 or so reduction to disease/poison mitigation of each of these stack with each other as well?

More importantly, even if they do stack would I ever even want to cast both of these? And if not...has anyone noticed a difference between them (which one is better?)

Bestow upon me your vast wisdom fellow Warlocks! :smileytongue:

SilentSam · 06-11-2005, 02:21 AM

I'm an idjit. Its a buff proc....LOL. Nevermind my question above. Though I'm still curious if you guys think this is a good spell. SMILEY

StevaiB · 06-11-2005, 08:26 AM

It is helpful when you are fighting say Ulrich (sp?) who can hit you with a 13k Nil Distortion. I've never really noticed that it has proc'd because I'm usually doing things during the raid, but, like I said, if you're in a group with someone who is going to do melee against a mob who does Poison/Disease, it doesnt hurt to cast it on them.

Tevilspek · 06-11-2005, 01:46 PM

I have a hotbar with 5 buffs in a row that I cast on all the meleers and anyone else I get around to at the time.

And to be honest, I wouldn't have the foggiest if they even make a difference. I pressume they do...

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maddawg138 · 06-11-2005, 02:39 PM

nihilism is a melee proc. and it actually procs alot from what i hear from melee classes and see on my logs. i cast it on all melee classes in my group....also i got it at adept 3 and its actually well worth it....i believe i have [Removed for Content] somewhere of the adept 3 version not sure id have to look but i or someone else could post the stats on it.

TheBladesCaress · 06-13-2005, 01:01 PM

Nihilism is a great spell. I put it on meleeers in my group. You can tell when it has gone off, because high level mobs now take 2080 dmg instead of 1800 on your Nil Distortion. If I am grouped with 4 combat players, by the time I do my 2 debuffs, they have usually proced Nihilism for me, saving aggro and I can then nuke away.

Deathspell · 06-13-2005, 01:16 PM

@Tevilspek, what 5 buffs are that? I only have 3 that I cast on a player: - Toxic Grasp - Nihilism - (forgot the name) And then Wicked Gift for the group... Did I miss some?

TheBladesCaress · 06-13-2005, 02:15 PM

Boon of the Shadows Venomous Runes

Dae · 06-13-2005, 03:09 PM

It'd be nice if the buff icons in our maintained window flashed every time the buff in question procced but I guess that's a little too much to ask for considering the amount of other broken crap. I cast Accord, Boon of the Shadowed, Venomous Runes, Nihilism and Toxis Grasp. The first two fire quite a lot while I'm soloing so I assume they're worth casting. Not sure on the melee damage buffs. I really wish they'd change these buffs to a single target allowed and infinite duration. Casting a ton of buffs every 15 minutes is annoying. Especially considering that melee tend to run out of range all the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time and the range on these spells is tiny. They should also change Abhorrent Gift to infinite duration but make it consume a Nil Crystal every 10 minutes or something.

SilentSam · 06-13-2005, 07:08 PM

Daerv wrote:

I really wish they'd change these buffs to a single target allowed and infinite duration. Casting a ton of buffs every 15 minutes is annoying. Especially considering that melee tend to run out of range all the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time and the range on these spells is tiny. They should also change Abhorrent Gift to infinite duration but make it consume a Nil Crystal every 10 minutes or something.

I agree 100%. You Ratonga's are definately smart ones! :smileytongue:

Message Edited by SilentSam on 06-13-2005 10:11 AM

kesi · 06-13-2005, 08:56 PM

Just my opinion but I think the Nihlism spell is bugged because half the time it says I'm out of range when I'm standing right near the mob.

~k

Aral · 06-13-2005, 10:13 PM

kesica wrote:

Just my opinion but I think the Nihlism spell is bugged because half the time it says I'm out of range when I'm standing right near the mob.

~k

It's not a spell you cast on a mob. It's a buff for meleers, that does a tiny bit of damage, but allows them to debuff the poison resist of the mob.

When you get "out of range" it's because the game automatically aims the spell at whatever melee the mob is targetting, probably the tank.

Fepp · 06-14-2005, 03:03 PM

Daerv wrote:I really wish they'd change these buffs to a single target allowed and infinite duration. Casting a ton of buffs every 15 minutes is annoying. Especially considering that melee tend to run out of range all the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time and the range on these spells is tiny.

lol, how very true To get around this, I'll take the back seat against a mob when they need rebuffing them whilst they are fighting. Starting with first member going to last (obv, melee only) - always annoys me to see I've only got buffs maintained on 2 when i should have 3, then you mouse over it and it lies to you about the target SMILEY

Also I nearly always use Toxic grasp to finish HOs that need the star icon (i think its toxic grasp). No long recast time on it, no worry of it being resisted

06-11-2005, 02:10 AM	#1
SilentSam Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 197	Just dinged 45 and picked up Nihlism. It seems to be the same concept as Chaotic Maelstrom and Steal Breath...reduces poison/disease mitigation and hits the mob with a dot. It uses the same icon and refresh as Steal Breath though. I seem to be able to cast both Chaotic and Nihlism at the same time. So my question is this: do the two dots of Nihlism and Chaotic Maelstrom stack with each other? Does the 800 or so reduction to disease/poison mitigation of each of these stack with each other as well? More importantly, even if they do stack would I ever even want to cast both of these? And if not...has anyone noticed a difference between them (which one is better?) Bestow upon me your vast wisdom fellow Warlocks! :smileytongue: __________________ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Razerclaw Ratonga Warlock of 47 seasons from the lands of Faydark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

06-11-2005, 02:21 AM	#2
SilentSam Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 197	I'm an idjit. Its a buff proc....LOL. Nevermind my question above. Though I'm still curious if you guys think this is a good spell. __________________ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Razerclaw Ratonga Warlock of 47 seasons from the lands of Faydark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

06-11-2005, 08:26 AM	#3
StevaiB Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 17	It is helpful when you are fighting say Ulrich (sp?) who can hit you with a 13k Nil Distortion. I've never really noticed that it has proc'd because I'm usually doing things during the raid, but, like I said, if you're in a group with someone who is going to do melee against a mob who does Poison/Disease, it doesnt hurt to cast it on them. __________________ Stevai -=*=- 55 Warlock - Retired Clan LynX

06-11-2005, 01:46 PM	#4
Tevilspek Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 141	I have a hotbar with 5 buffs in a row that I cast on all the meleers and anyone else I get around to at the time. And to be honest, I wouldn't have the foggiest if they even make a difference. I pressume they do... ________________ Tribbletts, lvl 49 and counting... __________________ (Now on Naggy)

06-11-2005, 02:39 PM	#5
maddawg138 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 361	nihilism is a melee proc. and it actually procs alot from what i hear from melee classes and see on my logs. i cast it on all melee classes in my group....also i got it at adept 3 and its actually well worth it....i believe i have [Removed for Content] somewhere of the adept 3 version not sure id have to look but i or someone else could post the stats on it. __________________

06-13-2005, 01:01 PM	#6
TheBladesCaress Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 166	Nihilism is a great spell. I put it on meleeers in my group. You can tell when it has gone off, because high level mobs now take 2080 dmg instead of 1800 on your Nil Distortion. If I am grouped with 4 combat players, by the time I do my 2 debuffs, they have usually proced Nihilism for me, saving aggro and I can then nuke away. __________________ - Zira Defiler Nexus

06-13-2005, 01:16 PM	#7
Deathspell Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 727	@Tevilspek, what 5 buffs are that? I only have 3 that I cast on a player: - Toxic Grasp - Nihilism - (forgot the name) And then Wicked Gift for the group... Did I miss some?

06-13-2005, 02:15 PM	#8
TheBladesCaress Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 166	Boon of the Shadows Venomous Runes __________________ - Zira Defiler Nexus

06-13-2005, 03:09 PM	#9
Dae Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 330	It'd be nice if the buff icons in our maintained window flashed every time the buff in question procced but I guess that's a little too much to ask for considering the amount of other broken crap. I cast Accord, Boon of the Shadowed, Venomous Runes, Nihilism and Toxis Grasp. The first two fire quite a lot while I'm soloing so I assume they're worth casting. Not sure on the melee damage buffs. I really wish they'd change these buffs to a single target allowed and infinite duration. Casting a ton of buffs every 15 minutes is annoying. Especially considering that melee tend to run out of range all the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time and the range on these spells is tiny. They should also change Abhorrent Gift to infinite duration but make it consume a Nil Crystal every 10 minutes or something. __________________ Wormwood Hex - Ratonga! - [Warlock (50) / Tailor (50)] Ponk Fury - Ratonga! - [Berserker (not 50)] D Khar - Splitpaw Server

06-13-2005, 07:08 PM	#10
SilentSam Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 197	Daerv wrote: I really wish they'd change these buffs to a single target allowed and infinite duration. Casting a ton of buffs every 15 minutes is annoying. Especially considering that melee tend to run out of range all the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time and the range on these spells is tiny. They should also change Abhorrent Gift to infinite duration but make it consume a Nil Crystal every 10 minutes or something. I agree 100%. You Ratonga's are definately smart ones! :smileytongue: Message Edited by SilentSam on 06-13-2005 10:11 AM __________________ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Razerclaw Ratonga Warlock of 47 seasons from the lands of Faydark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

06-13-2005, 08:56 PM	#11
kesi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	Just my opinion but I think the Nihlism spell is bugged because half the time it says I'm out of range when I'm standing right near the mob. ~k

06-13-2005, 10:13 PM	#12
Aral General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 381	kesica wrote: Just my opinion but I think the Nihlism spell is bugged because half the time it says I'm out of range when I'm standing right near the mob. ~k It's not a spell you cast on a mob. It's a buff for meleers, that does a tiny bit of damage, but allows them to debuff the poison resist of the mob. When you get "out of range" it's because the game automatically aims the spell at whatever melee the mob is targetting, probably the tank.

06-14-2005, 03:03 PM	#13
Fepp General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 189	Daerv wrote:I really wish they'd change these buffs to a single target allowed and infinite duration. Casting a ton of buffs every 15 minutes is annoying. Especially considering that melee tend to run out of range all the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time and the range on these spells is tiny. lol, how very true To get around this, I'll take the back seat against a mob when they need rebuffing them whilst they are fighting. Starting with first member going to last (obv, melee only) - always annoys me to see I've only got buffs maintained on 2 when i should have 3, then you mouse over it and it lies to you about the target Also I nearly always use Toxic grasp to finish HOs that need the star icon (i think its toxic grasp). No long recast time on it, no worry of it being resisted __________________ General-Tetlee-Of-Monged-45-Predator-General-Tetlee-Of-Monged General-Tetlee-Of-Monged-45-Predator-General-Tetlee-Of-Monged General-Tetlee-Of-Monged-45-Predator-General-Tetlee-Of-Monged General-Tetlee-Of-Monged-45-Predator-General-Tetlee-Of-Monged General-Tetlee-Of-Monged-45-Predator-General-Tetlee-Of-Monged General-Tetlee-Of-Monged-45-Predator-General-Tetlee-Of-Monged General-Tetlee-Of-Monged-45-Predator-General-Tetlee-Of-Monged