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Old 08-09-2008, 04:35 PM   #1
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Something really need to be done about the leeching greys in pvp.  Its is really getting out of hand especially in the Sinking Sands where all they do is sit on the docks and wait for higher con player to fight.  It is to an exploit taht they are able to attack you and if you die or they run off they become immune. 

I propose that they become a special type of carnaged flaged for 20 mins or until they die when any lvl player is able to attack them and the carnage flage is nontransferable if they hit someone out of their lvl range.

 I am getting tired of dying to greys when im fighing somebody and im getting tired of spliting my status/infamy with a lower lvl player when im killing somebody.

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Something really need to be done about the leeching greys in pvp.  Its is really getting out of hand especially in the Sinking Sands where all they do is sit on the docks and wait for higher con player to fight.  It is to an exploit taht they are able to attack you and if you die or they run off they become immune. 

I propose that they become a special type of carnaged flaged for 20 mins or until they die when any lvl player is able to attack them and the carnage flage is nontransferable if they hit someone out of their lvl range.

 I am getting tired of dying to greys when im fighing somebody and im getting tired of spliting my status/infamy with a lower lvl player when im killing somebody.

I propose a special kind of carnage flag that does not have a timer. The only way to shed it is by pvp death.If you wanna play with the big boys, you go all in. SMILEY
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Just make those zones open pvp zones...SS for instance SMILEY T8s will clear it out in no time...
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Its always gonna be an issue as long as people are obsessed with the few letters in front of their name.  Remove titles, and this won't happen.
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Simply make them attackable - I know /wink

I think if there are leachers out there they should be some kind of carnage flag for attacking players higher level than the zone allows for pvp. X2,X3,x4's of greys wouldnt be hunting 80s if they knew they were gonna get spanked by a VP geared group of 80s.

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hmm i dont see a problem with it at all..  greys loose infany just like if it was a con vs con fight...

its starting to make me wonder why you are upset OP did a little grey group kill you and your pride is hurt?

if anything greys should get to loot chest from reds if they are good enough to take them down they should get full rewards and the reds should /delete there toon or take a couple days to learn to play there class

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hmm i dont see a problem with it at all..  greys loose infany just like if it was a con vs con fight...

its starting to make me wonder why you are upset OP did a little grey group kill you and your pride is hurt?

if anything greys should get to loot chest from reds if they are good enough to take them down they should get full rewards and the reds should /delete there toon or take a couple days to learn to play there class

Well, what people are having an issue with is grays being immune to them getting the first strike, and well. You try surviving a raid of people 9 levels your junior.Its not that easy. SMILEY
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Players should get carnaged flagged after attacking someone out of their pvp level range.

Carnage flag should not go away after ANY death and only disapear after a 10minute timer counts down.

You should not be able to evac OR get immunity in any way with a carnage flag.  

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I`m tempted to make a very long list of issues however I shall control myself , be it know however that we have a thread almost once a week regarding leeches . Leeches = Morons BTW I had a raid group of grey cons take me down a few days ago while I was on my way to the spires . Dont bother chasing them either , they just run until they have immunity again , the few the brave the leeches . People that play pvp games have exactly 2 different ways that they view winning or the object of the game and it is generally people`s view of winning that determines their behavior .One is to use whatever loophole , exploit , unfair advantage or wuss tactic they can to get kills and they have no concept or desire to really be tested against others , they care only about the numbers not whether or not they possess any real talent , pretty much it dosent matter how I won as long as I got the most kills and or a title.It doesent matter that I`m a wuss and run away from a 1v1 with an even con and return with a group , as long as I get another kill . These people view the object of the game as pk ( player killing ) and in my time on Nagafen I have seen more people with this attitude on both sides , so your high school buddys think your cool , Im not impressed with Billy Badass running around in his cape or the stay at home mom with to much time on her hands playing king of candyland with a group of depraved people who are about one sandwich short of a picnic but hey thats pretty much the standard in mmo`s that have open pvp these days love it or leave it I guess , I played enough of them to know and EQ2 is probably the best one out there right now for pvp .The other is that skill and skill alone determines the winner be it 1v1 or 6v6 . People with this view can never find satisfaction in using BS tactics or 9v1 because they already know they didnt have to do anything to get that kill and therefore would have no idea as to whether or not they are really any good in pvp or not , they want to test their ability after raising their character and know that they did a good job . Obviously we play in an open pvp environment where anything goes because we like it this way and dont want the restrictions of dueling or arena combat etc . but are always amazed at the number of people who think they have achieved something because they were able to gank someone. These people view the object of the game as pvp ( player versus player ) and are generally looking for some good competition whether its solo or group , their not out searching for kill numbers to boost their E [Removed for Content] they are in it to pit mind against mind rather than scripted mobs . No matter how many times some BS thing happens to me , in almost 2 years I have never been able to bring myself to hit people that are in the middle of pve simply because it tells me nothing about my own skill as a player and I know just like me they have to do this stuff in order to play the game, I dont pvp for a title . Is anyone unclear as to how many tools are running around out there backstabbing people for fun ? I remember times having the same pile of crap repeat kill me upwards of 7 times in a row with nothing to gain in Loping Plains, I figured after a few times he would get his jollies and leave but apparantly I was dealing with some sort of malfunctioning individual and so I was forced to leave the map . Another time I was in a group in the middle of an Epic encounter in Perma and some [Removed for Content] found a spot across a crevace and started ranging the groups healer right when we were on the last part of killing the mob and the whole group got wiped out , wanna talk about a heartbreaker we spent a long time trying to kill that mob all for nothing . There was some freak way down in the bowels of Solusek running around like the gingerbread man who kept sneaking up and charming us in the middle of whatever encounter we were doing , it was like the guy had been living in there for days running around in some doll form screwing with people . Trust me there is no shortage of twisted individuals running around on Nagafen , I have hundreds of stories I could tell but I guess thats what makes a pvp server interesting . Is anyone unclear as to why there are more guards in starter areas these days ? Well good luck with that Sony , people just stand back and range lowbies that try and stay near the guards anyway , perhaps a few more roving patrols would send them back to compete with players on other maps instead of people wearing island gear .I was on a baby alt the other day and some level 12 stood there and tried to wait for me to ding level 10, he even generously assisted me with killing rats so I could hit 10 asap so he could kill me once I became eligible.We all know which classes to play for easy mode but how many people actually take the less than desirable classes and try and make them work in pvp ? Or are they only concerned with a title ? When I first rolled a Temp it was among the least played classes in pvp , now that people are starting to figure it out its making the OP list even though its very balanced , anything that makes a Scout class cry suddenly becomes OP . Now Im starting to see them everywhere. Regardless of that is there really ever any shortage of buff strippers or charm users , whats up with this being shut down for the full duration of a fight crap anymore ? Its getting to be a joke , stand there and die , when Im on my Temp I can live but only if I pop Sanct before I get hit otherwise no cigar . I dont have that pleasure on my other classes , what is it 13 - 17 seconds of I can do nothing but look like an idiot ?Ive ran in the kind of groups that are formed for the sole purpose of hunting players maybe twice in my time here I group alot for exp etc . In any case I never felt any sense of accomplishing anything when we tracked down a solo and wiped him off the map , the only thing I felt was regret for stooping to a lower level of playstyle.I have more fun being the hunted and facing the challenge of surviving , we all gotta play our part I suppose .One of the biggest and wealthiest guilds in EQ2 has many T8 players but guess what they prefer for pvp when their not crafting They all jump on their OP T3 alts and head to DLW to gank lowbies for fun . SMILEY Yeah dude thats like some ubber pvp , dont forget ill pay you 2 plat to take me on a " AA run " so I can 1 hit lowbies with my super ubber skills , yippy ky AA . now we can have that spammed on the chat instead of " come to my casino " . What next .Well its been a long week in NorrathTake care all SMILEY
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:09 AM   #10
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if greys are skilled enough and they can take down a red then what is the problem? same old thing where people wnat everything on even odds yet still dont get it  that skill rules.. if a red was able to attack greys first they win 99% of the time......  when greys attack reds unless they are skilled they die 110% of the time get over it..

its like the lvl 58 champ today tha tloged onto his Q toon jsut to cry because me and 4 other lvl 23-25's rocked his world..

as for fame leachers yet there are some of them go to DL on any given night an you will noticed that the fame leachers have made dl there new home...

if you really wanted to talk about what goes on in SS why dont you cry about the high lvl corc's who mez mobs and realeases them once a low lvl q gets engaged we can also cry about corc's who mez the guard in dl jsut to release him on q groups that are engaged... point is low lvls smacking around high lvls in SS is the least of this games problems there are far more cheap tactics going on that are killing pvp then that

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if greys are skilled enough and they can take down a red then what is the problem? same old thing where people wnat everything on even odds yet still dont get it that skill rules.. if a red was able to attack greys first they win 99% of the time...... when greys attack reds unless they are skilled they die 110% of the time get over it..

its like the lvl 58 champ today tha tloged onto his Q toon jsut to cry because me and 4 other lvl 23-25's rocked his world..

as for fame leachers yet there are some of them go to DL on any given night an you will noticed that the fame leachers have made dl there new home...

if you really wanted to talk about what goes on in SS why dont you cry about the high lvl corc's who mez mobs and realeases them once a low lvl q gets engaged we can also cry about corc's who mez the guard in dl jsut to release him on q groups that are engaged... point is low lvls smacking around high lvls in SS is the least of this games problems there are far more cheap tactics going on that are killing pvp then that

Rocked his world? I bet you had help from other greys AND someone else near his level which is usually what happens because when I've been in SS (And I've been there alot) You 25 Q's never attacked UNLESS A high leveled Q attacked first. Besides, what are you doing hanging around in a t6 zone anyways? Shouldn't you be like... In EL?
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I`m tempted to make a very long list of issues however I shall control myself , be it know however that we have a thread almost once a week regarding leeches . Leeches = Morons BTW I had a raid group of grey cons take me down a few days ago while I was on my way to the spires . Dont bother chasing them either , they just run until they have immunity again , the few the brave the leeches . People that play pvp games have exactly 2 different ways that they view winning or the object of the game and it is generally people`s view of winning that determines their behavior .One is to use whatever loophole , exploit , unfair advantage or wuss tactic they can to get kills and they have no concept or desire to really be tested against others , they care only about the numbers not whether or not they possess any real talent , pretty much it dosent matter how I won as long as I got the most kills and or a title.It doesent matter that I`m a wuss and run away from a 1v1 with an even con and return with a group , as long as I get another kill . These people view the object of the game as pk ( player killing ) and in my time on Nagafen I have seen more people with this attitude on both sides , so your high school buddys think your cool , Im not impressed with Billy Badass running around in his cape or the stay at home mom with to much time on her hands playing king of candyland with a group of depraved people who are about one sandwich short of a picnic but hey thats pretty much the standard in mmo`s that have open pvp these days love it or leave it I guess , I played enough of them to know and EQ2 is probably the best one out there right now for pvp .The other is that skill and skill alone determines the winner be it 1v1 or 6v6 . People with this view can never find satisfaction in using BS tactics or 9v1 because they already know they didnt have to do anything to get that kill and therefore would have no idea as to whether or not they are really any good in pvp or not , they want to test their ability after raising their character and know that they did a good job . Obviously we play in an open pvp environment where anything goes because we like it this way and dont want the restrictions of dueling or arena combat etc . but are always amazed at the number of people who think they have achieved something because they were able to gank someone. These people view the object of the game as pvp ( player versus player ) and are generally looking for some good competition whether its solo or group , their not out searching for kill numbers to boost their E [Removed for Content] they are in it to pit mind against mind rather than scripted mobs . No matter how many times some BS thing happens to me , in almost 2 years I have never been able to bring myself to hit people that are in the middle of pve simply because it tells me nothing about my own skill as a player and I know just like me they have to do this stuff in order to play the game, I dont pvp for a title . Is anyone unclear as to how many tools are running around out there backstabbing people for fun ? I remember times having the same pile of crap repeat kill me upwards of 7 times in a row with nothing to gain in Loping Plains, I figured after a few times he would get his jollies and leave but apparantly I was dealing with some sort of malfunctioning individual and so I was forced to leave the map .Another time I was in a group in the middle of an Epic encounter in Perma and some [Removed for Content] found a spot across a crevace and started ranging the groups healer right when we were on the last part of killing the mob and the whole group got wiped out , wanna talk about a heartbreaker we spent a long time trying to kill that mob all for nothing . There was some freak way down in the bowels of Solusek running around like the gingerbread man who kept sneaking up and charming us in the middle of whatever encounter we were doing , it was like the guy had been living in there for days running around in some doll form screwing with people . Trust me there is no shortage of twisted individuals running around on Nagafen , I have hundreds of stories I could tell but I guess thats what makes a pvp server interesting . Is anyone unclear as to why there are more guards in starter areas these days ? Well good luck with that Sony , people just stand back and range lowbies that try and stay near the guards anyway , perhaps a few more roving patrols would send them back to compete with players on other maps instead of people wearing island gear .I was on a baby alt the other day and some level 12 stood there and tried to wait for me to ding level 10, he even generously assisted me with killing rats so I could hit 10 asap so he could kill me once I became eligible.We all know which classes to play for easy mode but how many people actually take the less than desirable classes and try and make them work in pvp ? Or are they only concerned with a title ? When I first rolled a Temp it was among the least played classes in pvp , now that people are starting to figure it out its making the OP list even though its very balanced , anything that makes a Scout class cry suddenly becomes OP . Now Im starting to see them everywhere. Regardless of that is there really ever any shortage of buff strippers or charm users , whats up with this being shut down for the full duration of a fight crap anymore ? Its getting to be a joke , stand there and die , when Im on my Temp I can live but only if I pop Sanct before I get hit otherwise no cigar . I dont have that pleasure on my other classes , what is it 13 - 17 seconds of I can do nothing but look like an idiot ?Ive ran in the kind of groups that are formed for the sole purpose of hunting players maybe twice in my time here I group alot for exp etc . In any case I never felt any sense of accomplishing anything when we tracked down a solo and wiped him off the map , the only thing I felt was regret for stooping to a lower level of playstyle.I have more fun being the hunted and facing the challenge of surviving , we all gotta play our part I suppose .One of the biggest and wealthiest guilds in EQ2 has many T8 players but guess what they prefer for pvp when their not crafting They all jump on their OP T3 alts and head to DLW to gank lowbies for fun . SMILEY Yeah dude thats like some ubber pvp , dont forget ill pay you 2 plat to take me on a " AA run " so I can 1 hit lowbies with my super ubber skills , yippy ky AA . now we can have that spammed on the chat instead of " come to my casino " . What next .Well its been a long week in NorrathTake care all SMILEY

i hate to ask you this but where you ganked by the mean pvp person one to many times.. your idea of dreamworld pvp is not in any game ATM nor will it ever be. your idea of pvp it seems is 2 people meet at a spot shake hands and have a friendly duel with plastic swords.. like i said in my last post its good side vs evill side and your whole idea of pvp goes against the lore of the game.. now how evil can you be if you wont kill a good guy just because it wont be a 100% fair fight....

also dont get me started about twink q's going to dl for pvp. any good pvp player knows DL is a death trap.. once a Q engages and gets to yellow health  in pvp  you will see a huge noob train of freeps trying to get in on the fame.... you knwo what though that is the risk you take in good vs evil pvp.. if you dont want risk then dont fight .. jsut because you like to wait for your enemy to do rest up before you attack does not mean that your way of pvp is th eway to go...

last thing so what if a entire group wipes a solo. the whole point of group pvp is to fight as a group.. most of the time your group will never find a even group to fight against and even if they do that group will jsut come back with double there numbers...

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if greys are skilled enough and they can take down a red then what is the problem? same old thing where people wnat everything on even odds yet still dont get it that skill rules.. if a red was able to attack greys first they win 99% of the time...... when greys attack reds unless they are skilled they die 110% of the time get over it..

its like the lvl 58 champ today tha tloged onto his Q toon jsut to cry because me and 4 other lvl 23-25's rocked his world..

as for fame leachers yet there are some of them go to DL on any given night an you will noticed that the fame leachers have made dl there new home...

if you really wanted to talk about what goes on in SS why dont you cry about the high lvl corc's who mez mobs and realeases them once a low lvl q gets engaged we can also cry about corc's who mez the guard in dl jsut to release him on q groups that are engaged... point is low lvls smacking around high lvls in SS is the least of this games problems there are far more cheap tactics going on that are killing pvp then that

Rocked his world? I bet you had help from other greys AND someone else near his level which is usually what happens because when I've been in SS (And I've been there alot) You 25 Q's never attacked UNLESS A high leveled Q attacked first. Besides, what are you doing hanging around in a t6 zone anyways? Shouldn't you be like... In EL?

hmm sorry but your bet we had help is lost my friend.. like i said before skill is skill and if you roll in a 5 man group where every member of your group is skilled  you can take down solo players in there 50's any day of the week.. problem is that 90% of the players running around with titles got them from being cheap and a good skilled group can expose them for what they are...

as for why we dont do EL well truth is because that place is a higher lvl version of DL where players zerg  and if you do it at the docks they will keep zerging and as they die rez and be right back int he battle in seconds.. EL at carpet if a player dies he has atleast a 30 second run wich allows you to take out whole groups your lvl before a dead member can come back... but if you sill dont think im telling the truth then well only thing i can say is you ahve to see it for yourselfs jsut like the other guys who messages that we must be leachers intill they see what we can do then spam us with a billion messages asking how we did that

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if greys are skilled enough and they can take down a red then what is the problem? same old thing where people wnat everything on even odds yet still dont get it that skill rules.. if a red was able to attack greys first they win 99% of the time...... when greys attack reds unless they are skilled they die 110% of the time get over it..

its like the lvl 58 champ today tha tloged onto his Q toon jsut to cry because me and 4 other lvl 23-25's rocked his world..

as for fame leachers yet there are some of them go to DL on any given night an you will noticed that the fame leachers have made dl there new home...

if you really wanted to talk about what goes on in SS why dont you cry about the high lvl corc's who mez mobs and realeases them once a low lvl q gets engaged we can also cry about corc's who mez the guard in dl jsut to release him on q groups that are engaged... point is low lvls smacking around high lvls in SS is the least of this games problems there are far more cheap tactics going on that are killing pvp then that

Rocked his world? I bet you had help from other greys AND someone else near his level which is usually what happens because when I've been in SS (And I've been there alot) You 25 Q's never attacked UNLESS A high leveled Q attacked first. Besides, what are you doing hanging around in a t6 zone anyways? Shouldn't you be like... In EL?

hmm sorry but your bet we had help is lost my friend.. like i said before skill is skill and if you roll in a 5 man group where every member of your group is skilled you can take down solo players in there 50's any day of the week.. problem is that 90% of the players running around with titles got them from being cheap and a good skilled group can expose them for what they are...

as for why we dont do EL well truth is because that place is a higher lvl version of DL where players zerg and if you do it at the docks they will keep zerging and as they die rez and be right back int he battle in seconds.. EL at carpet if a player dies he has atleast a 30 second run wich allows you to take out whole groups your lvl before a dead member can come back... but if you sill dont think im telling the truth then well only thing i can say is you ahve to see it for yourselfs jsut like the other guys who messages that we must be leachers intill they see what we can do then spam us with a billion messages asking how we did that

First of all, "Owning" a 58 champ when youre all level 25 sounds quite unlikely to me, infact, very unlikely as the damage is close to nothing. I've been in SS alot of times and I do know the damage potential of 25's and I'm a CLOTHIE.  I bet you just didn't notice you had help or something of the like.Can you tell me which class this 58 champion was?In any case, SS is stll a t6 place and the only reason people  under level 40 hangs around there for more than 10 minutes is to leech most of the time. If you are tired of getting zerged in EL, here's what you do...You stop hogging the clock.If either all FP or Q simply moves *Further* in or at least try and lure the enemies further into EL, zerging is effectively reduced.
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Catch 22.

In an ideal world all pvp would be unlimited/ffa. It is apparent soe created limits to stop high levels greifing low levels.

This artificial cap on who you can attack, where and when would be fine but for one thing. ' greys ' can easily outnumber higher lvl opponents and kill players much higher level than themselves. In a fair system the higher level should be able to attack anyone that has the potential to kill them.

Case in point. My solo lvl 70 alt in thundering-steppes( i was just passing through on my way to the spire ) versus 3 grey lvl 50's. If i had been allowed to initiate the attack i may well have killed them all, as it was, the constraints of the game gave them an ' unfair ' advantage. They killed me, got an update for their pvp writ no doubt, and got fame+chest. If i had killed them i wouldnt have got an update.

There is something inherently wrong with the system as it stands. Greys leaching in ss are a symptom of the flaw. But sure as eggs is eggs if it was unlimted pvp the same leachers would be the ones coming to this forum crying about being greifed by high lvl toons.

Solution: If high levels cannot attack greys, then greys cannot attack reds ( in non-unlimited zones ). Also, if i was to attack red pve mobs solo or in a group, generally speaking the red mobs will hand me my head on a plate. It should be the same in pvp imo. 

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Rocked his world? I bet you had help from other greys AND someone else near his level which is usually what happens because when I've been in SS (And I've been there alot) You 25 Q's never attacked UNLESS A high leveled Q attacked first. Besides, what are you doing hanging around in a t6 zone anyways? Shouldn't you be like... In EL?
When your in a group its not hard to take down someone even 20 levels above you. Depending on the class.And don't bring "you Q's" into this. Every side does everything then yells at the other side for doing it.
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Its really kinda pathetic seeing the t3/4 rejects hang out there to leech. I was on a friends cleric and was passing though from house and i caught a 90 warden that wanted a piece so i kinda trained off a bit and as soon as i started the fight at least 10 people from 25-55 jumped on me. Mind you i kille the warden and all the grays i could get my hands on think i got at least 8 of em and the warden
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I have no problem with a group of greys attacking me.  The issue I have is the greys that stand around waiting for you to fight someone your level, and then jump in for fame when they see who is going to lose.  That is what I have an issue with.  Go make a character up to about level 15 - 30, and try to attack a level 80 mob, and see how many of your attacks hit.  Greys that low should not be able to hit players 50 levels above them, and when they do, their is no consequence for doing so.

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Old 08-11-2008, 10:02 AM   #19
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the problem, unlike what some poster stated, is not a few greys killing a red (that is fine and dandy) it is greys jumping in on a fight between reds when they are safe until they know the outcome and can get free fame. They stand there waiting for one side to take precidence then attack once and run from agro range waiting for their fame.

 I saw a lvl 50ish doing this in KP yesterday (more dangerous since they are KOS but they were safe with a full x2 of 80s) and see it all the time at SS docks.

 I agree with the poster that said remove titles or at least let us hide them. Come on.. we can hide our other titles and I for one never asked for a pvp title and should not be forced to wear it. If I want my name to be XXX hunter of gnolls then that is what it should be. That is MY choice, but unfortunetly SOE has decided that for me.

 Removing pvp titles (or letting us hide them since some people would want to keep them) would solve many probolems not just the grey pieces of crap leeches.

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Old 08-11-2008, 11:20 AM   #20
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:25 AM   #21
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 Everyone knows SS is  a funnel point for different zones. I hang out there for PVP.

Just because a grey is attacking you doesnt mean he is leeching and I get sick of high level characters saying everyone is leeching when it isnt true! You have everyone from 10-80 funneling through SS so if someone wants some action they will hang in SS for a while! Eventually someone attackable will filter through!

It stinks because even if I initiate a battle with a red I am a leecher! Hello I attacked that guy 12 levels above me FIRST, I risk death just like everyone else!

 I could care less about a title please let me turn it off!

I came to a pvp server to PVP!

Some people may be leeching for fame but not all of us!

The bad thing is it seems the people who complain the most are people of the same faction whom you are helping!

Please people think out of the BOX we all aren't leechers, we just want some action too!

The ONLY problem I see with a Grey attacking a red is if the grey dies the red should get fame!

So for all you people who SHOUT in the game about leeching just stop it allready!

Its a game and we are all here to PVP and have fun!

As for you guys who  just got killed by greys, be more aware of your surroundings, greys will add and I suggest you run rather than stand and fight!

 I want to make it clear, I have been a victim of these greys and I learned from it!

Forgot to say I only run solo or occasionally duo!

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The ONLY problem I see with a Grey attacking a red is if the grey dies the red should get fame!
They do.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:31 AM   #23
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 Oops! I didnt know that they get fame!

Thats  good news! Thanks for correcting me!

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Old 08-11-2008, 12:58 PM   #24
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Even if you carnage flag someone who attacks outside their zone-level range, that won't stop leaching. They will just carpet back to qh / ef and wait the 15 minutes out. I support the idea actually, but just pointing out its not the end-all, be-all solution (don't think there is one).
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Old 08-11-2008, 02:29 PM   #25
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Azekah1 wrote:
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The ONLY problem I see with a Grey attacking a red is if the grey dies the red should get fame!
They do.
Not always they don't. I went to SS on my 80 warlock to harvest and ran into an 80 scout near the dock who attacked me. All of a sudden I got swarmed by about 8 level 25 greys trying to leech. I killed the scout and took out a bunch of the grays with 1 aoe. I chased down a couple more, but 1 or 2 managed to run away when they saw I wasn't going to lose the fight. At least 5 of the grays were dessy/champ titled and I didn't get fame for ANY of them. (my warlock is a champ, so I should have) This isn't the first time it's happened either. It seems to have something to do with them not attacking until after someone else has.And for those that are saying they aren't leeching, it's skill if they can take down a red etc. That may be true in rare cases, but there's no way you can tell me a group of 8 25's would even THINK to attack a level 80 warlock if there wasn't a higher level player already engaging them. 1 upheaval and they'd all be dead. Almost everytime I pass through ss on a main or an alt the grays are there waiting for a higher level to attack first, then they scurry off if it looks like the one they are "helping" is gonna be the one that dies. I completely agree that there needs to be some carnage flag or no level restriction or something there, because the leeching is out of control. It's not skill no matter what the leechers say.
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Old 08-11-2008, 02:49 PM   #26
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Darman81 wrote:
The ONLY problem I see with a Grey attacking a red is if the grey dies the red should get fame!
They do.
Not always they don't. I went to SS on my 80 warlock to harvest and ran into an 80 scout near the dock who attacked me. All of a sudden I got swarmed by about 8 level 25 greys trying to leech. I killed the scout and took out a bunch of the grays with 1 aoe. I chased down a couple more, but 1 or 2 managed to run away when they saw I wasn't going to lose the fight. At least 5 of the grays were dessy/champ titled and I didn't get fame for ANY of them. (my warlock is a champ, so I should have) This isn't the first time it's happened either. It seems to have something to do with them not attacking until after someone else has.And for those that are saying they aren't leeching, it's skill if they can take down a red etc. That may be true in rare cases, but there's no way you can tell me a group of 8 25's would even THINK to attack a level 80 warlock if there wasn't a higher level player already engaging them. 1 upheaval and they'd all be dead. Almost everytime I pass through ss on a main or an alt the grays are there waiting for a higher level to attack first, then they scurry off if it looks like the one they are "helping" is gonna be the one that dies. I completely agree that there needs to be some carnage flag or no level restriction or something there, because the leeching is out of control. It's not skill no matter what the leechers say.
The whole fame system it self seems bugged at times. There have been plenty of times I haven't gotten fame when I should have.But yea, I was in a group of early 20's/teens who attacked a 37 warlock (bad idea) who then proceded to kill us all. After he killed me I went from slayer to hunter.And No, 25's would never stand a chance against an 80...but they could take ppl out up to around 50, depending on class/gear etc.They could just restrict from attacking anything over 25 levels of thier current level?
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:06 PM   #27
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I am against more restriction. Rules, Rules and.. you guessed it MORE Rules.

 Hide titles = no leaching and more pvp and far less running after pvp. I do believe that is what every says they want... is it not?

And those that like their titles can sit in the city with it displayed. From my point of view it is a fine solution.

and if a grey attacked a red (I have out of boredom) GJ. Again, I repeat, leaching is not a grey attacking a red. Leaching is a grey jumping in to get fame from the saftey of their immunity to combat due to their lvl. Not all greys do it and some do expect to be helpful but others are leaches. I make it a point to kill as many of them as I can even if my opponent who is my lvl kills me. I obtain for more satisfaction from it.

And to the poster that ran after the greys killing as many as he could get his hands on.. ROFL. I can see it. Strangling baby greys with your bare hands and they sprint crying and screaming "fame loss, RETREAT RETREAT" - priceless.

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Old 08-11-2008, 07:14 PM   #28
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i think it should eather work like

 1. the pvp level range should work both ways, so in a 4 level pvp zone  a group of  10's wouldnt be able to attack a  15 since the 15 wouldnt be able to attack them .

it gives to much of a advantage to those under the pvp range with the element of always getting the first attacks, weather it be rangers or assasans doing there stealth attack or what ever.

OR

2. when greys attack a player out of the pvp range pve rules should apply, like 6 level 40's attack a level 50 their spells ,combat arts,and melee attack should get resisted like a group of low players attacking  a mob 10 levels over them.

i think this is the best solution  it would give the solo player a chance against the group of players under the pvp range.

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Old 08-11-2008, 07:36 PM   #29
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i think it should eather work like

 1. the pvp level range should work both ways, so in a 4 level pvp zone  a group of  10's wouldnt be able to attack a  15 since the 15 wouldnt be able to attack them .

it gives to much of a advantage to those under the pvp range with the element of always getting the first attacks, weather it be rangers or assasans doing there stealth attack or what ever.

OR

2. when greys attack a player out of the pvp range pve rules should apply, like 6 level 40's attack a level 50 their spells ,combat arts,and melee attack should get resisted like a group of low players attacking  a mob 10 levels over them.

i think this is the best solution  it would give the solo player a chance against the group of players under the pvp range.

Well, nr2 is in sortof an effect already. redcons get an extra boost to defensive saves.Why not just have the ones trying out hte big league actually get carnaged in a way that cannot be shed by any other means than pvp death? Perhaps even a few counters on it as well? SMILEY
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:41 PM   #30
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With the current system, a group of grays can attack and easily kill a red con player.Why should they be penalized for pvp?If they shouldn't be able to kill a red con easily, then the system itself needs to be fixed and that is another issue.The issue in this thread is grays attacking reds in SS or other areas when they are already engaged with another even con player in attempt to "leech" some fame.
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