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Old 02-17-2008, 01:29 PM   #1
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Hey all, glad to be back to EQ2 after a 2 year hiatus, the game looks great and I love the updates. But, even though the game appears to be much better then it was 2 years ago, it seems that there are less players (on my server at least [Butcherblock]). Anyway, I have a 44 Warden (http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=25064610SMILEY, was my main back when I played, and now that its very hard for me to find a group, he is darn near unplayable. The way I made him was to be a 100% healer, I knew I had awful DPS, and I didn't care, I would throw maybe 1 or 2 offensive spells up each encounter, my job was to heal, and I did my job well considering I had tons of WIS. I still love to heal, but for when I can't find a group, I can't advance my character. What do you guys suggest I do? Betray and become a Fury so I can at least do some DPS? I just spent about 2 plat decking him out in nice WIS gear, and I know that INT adds to spell damage, but should I ditch all my nice WIS gear for some INT gear so I can solo effectively? It's not that I can't solo, its just that it takes so bloody long to kill a mob.. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated =)
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Old 02-17-2008, 02:34 PM   #2
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hmmso you had power issues while healing? or why did you hoard WIS gear? Shrug... if you dont like the melee option in Warden AA tree, then replace some gear to get your INT up. You cant solo effectively if you dont do any dmg SMILEYBetray if you like, but wardens can make decent dmg too. ++Xan

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Old 02-17-2008, 05:23 PM   #3
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I think you should just spec him for meele, with a full set of meele gear and a few slots of high wis you can easly put up as much damage as dps'ers at that level. I can't really comment on population because I play on the highest one and there seems to be a lot of groups going on all the time. I still throw on my wis gear and heal just fine on everything I have tried(even instances orange/red to me). So at that level I don't really think it is 100% needed to be a full heal spec to get the job done.As for going fury, its really annoyingly slow to level one that is heal spec'd as well, so you might as well go dps spec. Just my 2c, have fun.
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Old 02-17-2008, 08:39 PM   #4
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what lack of players ???

And wardens solo just fine ..

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Old 02-18-2008, 05:25 AM   #5
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Join a guild with people of apropriate level, to get some friends to team up with. Or try to find some of the other people around your level and when you have grouped with them get them on friend list for easier groupsetup in the future. Once you get to know a few people with charecters around your level, it will be less of a problem starting a group.

If you have problems getting a group try doing more than just using the /lfg tool. Try to ask in the level 40-49 channel too. And also try and go to the zones the other people on your level are, and ask in /ooc there too, much easier to get a group when already at the spot. To find where people are, try doing a "/who all 39 49" and you should get a quite long list of people you could group with.

A duo should even be enough actually, I pretty much leveled from 1 to 60 by duoing with girlfriend on wizard. Sometimes duos are even more fun than a full group slashing through a dungeon for the N'th time SMILEY

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Old 02-18-2008, 02:08 PM   #6
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First of all, welcome back! In 2 years there have been sooo many changes. Have you considered creating a new Warden and starting in one of the new areas? I'm not saying to ditch your original one, but with all the changes to game mechanics and so many added abilities, like Achievement points you could probably learn a lot just from a couple of days of following the solo questlines available now. Then you could take that back and apply it to your original, or just keep leveling your new Warden.
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Old 02-18-2008, 02:55 PM   #7
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i just came back about a month ago and was in the same boat as youno aa's [trust me they do help]all wis gear server seems dead compared to wow serverslevel mid 40'sso what i did was dump most of my wis gear most of them were just upgraded anywayi got alot of items that has wis, int and strat level 57 nowhave 320+ wis & 250+ inti thinkit is still slow killing a mob but i can blast over 1100 consistentlyand there are enough solo quests to keep me busy till i can get to 80 and go on some guild raids
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Old 02-18-2008, 06:29 PM   #8
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Grouping vs solo yeilds about the same xp/AA depending on what your doing ...

There is a ton of new quests to do (wich is the best way to grind now)  Just do green and blue ones if you have trouble taking down white/yellow cons ... The gap between for xp amout is smaller than it used to be.  Plus you should have a ton of discovery xp .... not sure but i think the maps should be blacked out for you again.

The root nuke method is still a good way to take down tuff mobs , Its just rather time consumeing and pwr draining.

Also you might consider the pet charm on the druid agi AA line , if you dont want to try the mele line.

Minimum effective mele spec is 42 AA pts imo though.

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Old 02-18-2008, 07:08 PM   #9
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'Slow' soloing is actually pretty relative.  Slow compared to....?   Leveling in another game?  Experience playing a primarily DPS class?  Against what criteria are you judging that?

Priest->Druid -> Warden was my first character in any MMO ever.  Soloing didn't seem to be any problem because I didn't have any comparison.  A Warden really does do fairly decent damage with just a bit of INT, and with your thorns on.  You don't nuke like a Wizard, but they can't heal, either.   It's slower kills than..say...a Swashbuckler, but they don't heal either. 

You really aren't saying what makes your Warden 'unplayable' either?  What mobs are you trying to kill?  I didn't look at your profile, but offer this question rhetorically:  How good is your gear and spell quality?   And how many AAs?

Improving all of these things is going to help a great deal if you are soloing.  Not being able to get a group is cyclical too.  This week you can't find one, next week you'll be putting up your Anonymous tag so they will leave you alone.  

Gear updates at your level:  no offense, but 2P isn't very much nowadays.  If you are looking for uber gear, adornments and whatnot, you'll have to either spend more than that or quest, etc. for it.

And if, indeed, your server truly is dead with absolutely no groups whatsoever...ever...you might consider a server transfer?  You could betray to Fury, but then you wouldn't be a Warden anymore...and IMO, you didn't really try a few things that might make your Warden a bit better.  AA spec, adornments, spell upgrades, and the like are all things to try.    I've played both classes (Warden and Fury) and still like Warden better.  I also leveled a Defiler on a pvp server, so I understand the pain of TRULY not having any DPS to speak of. 

Wardens do ok SMILEY<img src= 

edit:  In fairness I have to add that I don't really solo much anymore - I have a pocket DPS spec'd Zerker hanging around that I like a lot. He's also got a mirror so I have a Tank spec'd one too! 

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Old 02-19-2008, 02:25 PM   #10
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Bah, 44 is low, if you don't have any AA, probably easier to just reroll. If you want high dps on your warden, spec yourself for melee with your AA's. When you start gearing up look for items with str/wis…hard to come by but not impossible.

Check out my warden: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...terId=722519201

The name of the game now is AA’s…you will get most of your AA from quests/named mobs. Also from certain items you loot…

You don’t have to worry as much about finding groups to grind dungeons over and over. If you can’t find a group just work on some solo quests.

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Old 02-21-2008, 12:30 AM   #11
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I didnt want to make a new post ... cuz it kinda goes with this topic .... so here goes

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Sorry to derail your post Grennan SMILEY

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Old 02-21-2008, 05:42 AM   #12
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ROFL !11ONE!!1!! SMILEY++Xan
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:09 AM   #13
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Grennan wrote:
Hey all, glad to be back to EQ2 after a 2 year hiatus, the game looks great and I love the updates. But, even though the game appears to be much better then it was 2 years ago, it seems that there are less players (on my server at least [Butcherblock]). Anyway, I have a 44 Warden (http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=25064610SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />, was my main back when I played, and now that its very hard for me to find a group, he is darn near unplayable. The way I made him was to be a 100% healer, I knew I had awful DPS, and I didn't care, I would throw maybe 1 or 2 offensive spells up each encounter, my job was to heal, and I did my job well considering I had tons of WIS. I still love to heal, but for when I can't find a group, I can't advance my character. What do you guys suggest I do? Betray and become a Fury so I can at least do some DPS? I just spent about 2 plat decking him out in nice WIS gear, and I know that INT adds to spell damage, but should I ditch all my nice WIS gear for some INT gear so I can solo effectively? It's not that I can't solo, its just that it takes so bloody long to kill a mob.. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated =)

I find it very hard to believe that you can even say this.

Altoholic here, ans I must say that a Warden is one of the best solo characters in the game.

All you need is to get some AA's, specc Melee and get a little pet (AA again) and you are GTG.

And as someone else also said, at your lvl I would also recommend to start up a new toon instead, the low lvl's come VERY easy, and you will be very happy with the AA's you get up to the lvl you are now..

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Old 02-23-2008, 07:07 PM   #15
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Arielle Nightshade wrote:
What pet?
The god pet? .... *shrug*
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Old 02-25-2008, 01:24 PM   #16
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Arielle Nightshade wrote:
What pet?
Maybe he is referring to Charm Animal?
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Tipton Wisely wrote:
Arielle Nightshade wrote:
What pet?
Maybe he is referring to Charm Animal?

I see they were probably refering to charm animal

"and get a little pet (AA again)"

The little part threw me off though and that i cant imagine many spec mele and charm animal.

Oh wait I have both plus infusion SMILEY ... Still grinding my tradeskill faction for that mirror recipie.

Ill probably dump the pet charm from my dps spec then though.

Any body got some good Ideas for 120ish AA that doesnt include the mele spec?

PS; edit:  and by mele spec i mean druid str and warden CA's .... to be clear

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Old 02-27-2008, 04:12 PM   #18
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Agi line charm animal Hardly ever do that though anymore not alot of animals in instances.  Agi line is kinda healer spec to me anyways. 

I was messing around with str sta int myself the infusion procs pretty much on any buff/heal you cast plus off the self haste attack (the haste effect triggers the infusion) In groups the infusion hits x number of times as people in your group when your group heal is used.  I gave a fury some hefty competition in that setup (yeah just happened to have a guildie fury group with my warden through CoA and I wasn't hardly melee'd geared yet. (i.e. no haste item, no weapon procs  (aside from the tiger form) no +CA damage) Just a decent set of strength pieces I had about.  Oh, I kept the sta line for the heal crits can build power quickly if I swap to the epic plus kinda softens the blow of dropping wild regen (agi).  Crit Boons really aren't all that bad either though.  I feel this set up gives me a nice balance between healing, melee and nuking.

However it does bring up alot of old concerns again.  Lack of gear options it's heartbreaking to give up +heal gear and nice class fabled armors in the pursuit of Strength.   Maybe its because I haven't quite found that right balance yet.  Just seems I have to give up too much to get what I want elsewhere.  There really isn't much out there that caters to both sides unlike with casting and healing options which seem to fall in hand and hand.  Druid set pieces maybe could be +heal/spell/ca instead of just +heal/spell just my 2cp 

As for the lack of players issue It's more a level thing than a class thing the mid range levels are relatively barren with some of whom are people running up alts (and usually in an grind fest rush of it) It may be difficult I'd recommend though to look for guilds with open recruitment may even have members willing to mentor down and group with you.  When you do reach a level with the mainstream you can certainly pursue other callings if you wish.   

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 My main is a ranger, so I am used to killing things pretty quick.  Still, I don’t feel like my warden solos slow at all.  He’s level 43 and melee spec’d, and I have never had any problems using him (with his melee spec) as a main healer for a group.  If that changes when he gets to the top levels, I’ll just respect him for max healing… but for the climb to the top, I highly recommend going melee. 
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Andok wrote:
 My main is a ranger, so I am used to killing things pretty quick.  Still, I don’t feel like my warden solos slow at all.  He’s level 43 and melee spec’d, and I have never had any problems using him (with his melee spec) as a main healer for a group.  If that changes when he gets to the top levels, I’ll just respect him for max healing… but for the climb to the top, I highly recommend going melee. 

From what I'm gathering from people who do melee spec, even at top levels, it's possible to even raid with it.   The issue would be a combination of the gear you have (most STR gear we can wear goes to brawler-types first), weapons (any good weapon we might get for melee would be reserved for another class first), and what the raid wanted you to do as far as proximity to the mob (many raid leaders want healers at max casting range, making melee tough to do). 

If you can get past all that - I'm understanding that the melee build does not only really good DPS, but keeps up with expected healing amounts too.   The 'ifs' though are a pretty large obstacle to overcome, I think.  

I think back in 'the day' Ryala raided melee spec and liked it.  And ...Gitana..? maybe?   And reported good numbers on parse, both DPS and healing.

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ahhh ... Ryala .... where has she gone? SMILEY 

I only saw her pop in on the race question latley ( after Chingdai !!!)  hehe ... its nice to see they're still watchin.

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Arielle Nightshade wrote:
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 My main is a ranger, so I am used to killing things pretty quick.  Still, I don’t feel like my warden solos slow at all.  He’s level 43 and melee spec’d, and I have never had any problems using him (with his melee spec) as a main healer for a group.  If that changes when he gets to the top levels, I’ll just respect him for max healing… but for the climb to the top, I highly recommend going melee. 

From what I'm gathering from people who do melee spec, even at top levels, it's possible to even raid with it.   The issue would be a combination of the gear you have (most STR gear we can wear goes to brawler-types first), weapons (any good weapon we might get for melee would be reserved for another class first), and what the raid wanted you to do as far as proximity to the mob (many raid leaders want healers at max casting range, making melee tough to do). 

If you can get past all that - I'm understanding that the melee build does not only really good DPS, but keeps up with expected healing amounts too.   The 'ifs' though are a pretty large obstacle to overcome, I think.  

I think back in 'the day' Ryala raided melee spec and liked it.  And ...Gitana..? maybe?   And reported good numbers on parse, both DPS and healing.

ryala did but i think Gitana despised it lol.  last i heard of her talk of AA's was right before rok and she had the int line.
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Just to put in my 2c...I just came back after being gone about a year. I left with my warden at 70. In all legendary and a few fabled pieces. He was speced all Wis and heal crit. I was a healing machine. And i loved. But when i came back a month ago I had couldn't find groups for my lvl that wanted to do instances as i wasn't high enough to do any of the new fun stuff. So after trying to solo as a full healing spec warden and realizing that i had no int and hence it took me like half my mana to kill something because of my low dps.... I made the switch to Melee/charm spec. I then went out and put down about 10p and bought all the wis/str gear i could find. I must say... Its a whole new class to me. I can dps well and I can still heal pretty stinking good. Heroic missions i can heal a group just fine. I'm looking forward to getting him high enough to come out and play with big kids and try this spec in a instance.  So my advice... respec and try what feels like a whole new class.
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Hiya Grennan~I'm on Butcherblock, too. Have you stopped by the Butcherblock server board? It's not *too* active, but there are some great people there. I'd also direct you towards the Butcherblock Federation of Guilds, which is mainly a collective of smaller guilds (and some larger ones, too). Lots of mid-range characters there. They have an open chat channel in-game. There's a post on the BB community board with links & more info.
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Arielle Nightshade wrote:
Andok wrote:
 My main is a ranger, so I am used to killing things pretty quick.  Still, I don’t feel like my warden solos slow at all.  He’s level 43 and melee spec’d, and I have never had any problems using him (with his melee spec) as a main healer for a group.  If that changes when he gets to the top levels, I’ll just respect him for max healing… but for the climb to the top, I highly recommend going melee. 

From what I'm gathering from people who do melee spec, even at top levels, it's possible to even raid with it.   The issue would be a combination of the gear you have (most STR gear we can wear goes to brawler-types first), weapons (any good weapon we might get for melee would be reserved for another class first), and what the raid wanted you to do as far as proximity to the mob (many raid leaders want healers at max casting range, making melee tough to do). 

If you can get past all that - I'm understanding that the melee build does not only really good DPS, but keeps up with expected healing amounts too.   The 'ifs' though are a pretty large obstacle to overcome, I think.  

I think back in 'the day' Ryala raided melee spec and liked it.  And ...Gitana..? maybe?   And reported good numbers on parse, both DPS and healing.

I didnt melee spec until I got enough points after EoF came out to get all the melee ca's except the dot/debuff nuke, I personally like the nuke version better since if resisted we can recast it really quickly. The ca version, if parried ect, will make you wait for the full timer. One of the main problems with eof was lack of wis/str/ca gear.

I didn't spec for the charm pet until right before (and actually in beta) RoK came out. For RoK I would recommend the charm pet for soloing and the intel line is not that useful for melee spec so it can be sacrificed without a second thought (IMO).

Now with full aa's I am down to 7,8,8,8,2 (to get the extra ca), down the agi line to get 8 charm pet pts, and the heal crit increase is maxed at 8 with enough pts to get there in that line.

I have helped with lower lvl raids specced that way (helping friends as a pickup, I am not in a raid guild) and had no issues with healing at all. I also had the same basic lineup with tortoise shell on my AA mirror which I can switch out if I want before a raid and still had no healing issues.

Now, for clarification, I am a modified melee healer spec since I also made sure I have maxed heal crits to proc our fabled epic more often and of course natures boon to make sure I proc heals as I fight. Some lvl 78 mobs I could almost just melee to death in my normal "farming" location in JW in the crater and get by almost without any healing at all.

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