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Old 08-17-2011, 01:18 AM   #1
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I have no idea why the Enchanter Ability Daydream has been destroyed and replaced by same called DoT.

I love it how it was bevore und have used it very often, i can not find really important reason to destroy us this Ability,its useles for raiding but not for normal/heroic content.

If you want  to change  Enchanters AA Wisdom Tree move it to another Place but do not steal it please.

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Old 08-17-2011, 01:26 AM   #2
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totti72 wrote:

I have no idea why the Enchanter Ability Daydream has been destoyed and replaced by same called DoT.

I love it how it was bevore und have used it very often, i can not find really important reason to destroy us this Ability,its useles for raiding but not for normal/heroic content.

If you want  to change  Enchanters AA Wisdom Tree move it to another Place but do not steal it please.

welcome to gu 61.....SOE would like to say your welcome and we were happy to remove an ability you liked.

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Old 08-17-2011, 02:20 AM   #3
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That sounds very sadly , i hope there is still a Dev that is not stubborn and can remove this bad change.

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Old 08-17-2011, 02:26 AM   #4
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That sounds very sadly , i hope there is still a Dev that is not stubborn and can remove this bad change.

me too bro, then at least someone will be happy.

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Old 08-17-2011, 02:31 AM   #5
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That should be a spell chanters get, make a target unaggro for a full 2 minutes with a 20 second reuse.

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Old 08-17-2011, 05:00 AM   #6
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Its changes like this that make people wonder if Developers have a hidden agenda or just don't care about making appropriate changes. No explanation given. An ability that is very appropriate for an enchanter changed to a weak damage spell. Why ?

Especially why in this line? Surely if the enchanter tree needs a dot putting in it for some reason then Savants Insight would be a much better place to put it.

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Old 08-17-2011, 07:42 AM   #7
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totti72 wrote:

I have no idea why the Enchanter Ability Daydream has been destroyed and replaced by same called DoT.

I love it how it was bevore und have used it very often, i can not find really important reason to destroy us this Ability,its useles for raiding but not for normal/heroic content.

If you want  to change  Enchanters AA Wisdom Tree move it to another Place but do not steal it please.

ROFL then you are the ONLY enchanter that actually uses it then. They made a USELESS spell useful for once. Enchanters FINALLY have something to spend the dozen or so extra AA they have to waste.

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Old 08-17-2011, 08:58 AM   #8
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yeh, i can't believe there was a chanter that used the old wis endline. why would you even spec that line anyway? 

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Old 08-17-2011, 01:26 PM   #9
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TBH I have a spec with it, I almost never run that spec now, but it was pretty awesome for name hunting when none of your friends were on, making mobs in front of them non agro to go back and smack em around and leave faster than it would have taken to solo it all.

It did have a use, but a VERY limited one, I can see why the OP is a bit miffed, but I like the new one better myself at the same time, just another instance of not being able to please everyone =/

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Old 08-18-2011, 12:43 PM   #10
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ruthlessG619 wrote:

totti72 wrote:

I have no idea why the Enchanter Ability Daydream has been destroyed and replaced by same called DoT.

I love it how it was bevore und have used it very often, i can not find really important reason to destroy us this Ability,its useles for raiding but not for normal/heroic content.

If you want  to change  Enchanters AA Wisdom Tree move it to another Place but do not steal it please.

ROFL then you are the ONLY enchanter that actually uses it then. They made a USELESS spell useful for once. Enchanters FINALLY have something to spend the dozen or so extra AA they have to waste.

You should not talk about things which you do not understand.

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yeh, i can't believe there was a chanter that used the old wis endline. why would you even spec that line anyway? 

Its very usefull for solo and sometimes groupspec .

Best example is the shardquest in ISKAP , with Daydream you can  do this faster and have lesser chance to be detected .

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Old 08-18-2011, 02:53 PM   #11
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ruthlessG619 wrote:

totti72 wrote:

I have no idea why the Enchanter Ability Daydream has been destroyed and replaced by same called DoT.

I love it how it was bevore und have used it very often, i can not find really important reason to destroy us this Ability,its useles for raiding but not for normal/heroic content.

If you want  to change  Enchanters AA Wisdom Tree move it to another Place but do not steal it please.

ROFL then you are the ONLY enchanter that actually uses it then. They made a USELESS spell useful for once. Enchanters FINALLY have something to spend the dozen or so extra AA they have to waste.

Exactly! I think most enchanters will love this change.

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Old 08-18-2011, 04:17 PM   #12
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Most enchanters seem to be pleased with this change.  I think it's a case of you can't make everyone happy, honestly.  It's unfortunate but really I think in some cases just the way it is.  Sometimes things are just done horribly wrong and everyone hates it (cast while moving the way it was implemented) and sometimes things please 90% of the people but 10% are dissapointed (this change).  In an mmo it'll always be like this, best thing you can do really is be adaptable.

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Old 08-19-2011, 12:40 AM   #13
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Amanathia wrote:

Most enchanters seem to be pleased with this change.  I think it's a case of you can't make everyone happy, honestly.  It's unfortunate but really I think in some cases just the way it is.  Sometimes things are just done horribly wrong and everyone hates it (cast while moving the way it was implemented) and sometimes things please 90% of the people but 10% are dissapointed (this change).  In an mmo it'll always be like this, best thing you can do really is be adaptable.

At this point you can make everyone happy, its very simple solution for this problem.

Rename the new DoT , let its stay and move the "old" Daydream to new place. For example there is free spot in shadows general line tree now,if Daydream will be moved this place nobody must skill it who do not like it and everyone who want it can take this ability.

That would be a win/win situation and everyone will be happy!

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Old 08-19-2011, 11:18 AM   #14
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totti72 wrote:

At this point you can make everyone happy, its very simple solution for this problem.

Rename the new DoT , let its stay and move the "old" Daydream to new place. For example there is free spot in shadows general line tree now,if Daydream will be moved this place nobody must skill it who do not like it and everyone who want it can take this ability.

That would be a win/win situation and everyone will be happy!

No.

Remove this change completely. Change Amnesia to this new dot and adjust the enhance type AA's for amnesia to increase it's power.

Daydreaam was a fun spell when I still solo'd .. i can see why some people wont like the change while others see it as useless.

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Old 08-19-2011, 02:32 PM   #15
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totti72 wrote:

At this point you can make everyone happy, its very simple solution for this problem.

Rename the new DoT , let its stay and move the "old" Daydream to new place. For example there is free spot in shadows general line tree now,if Daydream will be moved this place nobody must skill it who do not like it and everyone who want it can take this ability.

That would be a win/win situation and everyone will be happy!

No.

Remove this change completely. Change Amnesia to this new dot and adjust the enhance type AA's for amnesia to increase it's power.

Daydreaam was a fun spell when I still solo'd .. i can see why some people wont like the change while others see it as useless.

Amnesia is Coercer only so you're taking an ability that Illusionist will use away from them just to get back what 1/10th of the enchanter community used.

They could change Savants Insight into the DoT and everyone would be happy, because Savant's Insight is the lamest AA in the Int line.

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Old 08-20-2011, 02:35 PM   #16
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Thats a huge nerf, to remove whole ability . I cant belive so many chanters dont know how usefull some skills can be.

Enchanters are the weakest tanks, have zero heals and now we loosing CC abilitys,it  seems like some Devs really hate us.

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Old 08-20-2011, 05:33 PM   #17
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It was an ability that in the early levels, I used frequently- and found the wis line in general very useful in the early levels, where the reuse on subjugation abilities was longer than the duration.  This line, as well as daydream, helped solo leveling as a young coercer signifcantly.  

I haven't used the line on my coercer since level 80 was cap.

One possible solution for those of you who loved daydream and used it frequently, is to change race to human.  They have a racial trait called diplomacy that will do the same thing as daydream did before the change.

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Old 08-21-2011, 04:53 PM   #18
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gatrm wrote:

It was an ability that in the early levels, I used frequently- and found the wis line in general very useful in the early levels, where the reuse on subjugation abilities was longer than the duration.  This line, as well as daydream, helped solo leveling as a young coercer signifcantly.  

I haven't used the line on my coercer since level 80 was cap.

One possible solution for those of you who loved daydream and used it frequently, is to change race to human.  They have a racial trait called diplomacy that will do the same thing as daydream did before the change.

Thats crazy to be constrained to change race if you still want use ability  that always was available.

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Old 08-23-2011, 11:56 AM   #19
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Enchanters are masters of CC ,why we losing CC ability which  everyone can have with the right race ?

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Old 08-26-2011, 11:13 AM   #20
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Here we go, removing utility and adding dps again.  This is the constant "tug of war" that makes me wish I hadn't chosen an Enchanter as my primary character.  Those players that focus on raiding, of course, will not recognize the usefulness of this ability.  Don't waste your time trying to convince them that it was valuable.  They are too often pressured to demonstrate their worthiness in the parse, and this ability did not suit their needs.  Nevertheless, Daydream surely did not have to be taken away.

If we needed more dps, our current spells could have been bolstered.

If SOE felt the ability was being abused, they could have replaced it in kind with another utility function.

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Old 08-26-2011, 11:16 AM   #21
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Chanters are all about buffing, power, and dps nowdays. Each new raid zone has the same power burning debuff only stronger and stronger. You know, the one that drains everybody dry over time and causes chanters to die whenever they use manaflow.

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