It's true, Monks can't tank - Page 4

Gaige · 01-26-2005, 02:36 AM

No, no I'm not. Mama are you really this dense or are you desperately trying to make people think you have some sort of idea you know what you are talking about.

Here was the FIRST post swashbucklers were brought up:

GangsterFist wrote:

Swashbucklers are mad because their DPS is about equal to a monk, and their group invis is not as good as an illusionist/fury.

This is your reply, the first time you mention swashbucklers:

Mamaseeta wrote:
In reguards to swashbuckler dammage, I have found that fiew people do HOs in a group, the roughe types can do quite a bit more damamge in addition to manipulating the wheel.

Now, Mama please tell me how anyone can misconstrue your post.

You even say "IN REGARDS TO SWASHBUCKLER DAMAGE FEW PEOPLE DO HO'S".

How in the hell can anyone misunderstand what you are saying. Sure you get all crazy and start saying rouge this and rouge that but your FIRST post and FIRST sentence BRINGS UP HOs as balance.

YOU ARE WRONG GET OVER YOURSELF.

MoonglumHMV · 01-26-2005, 02:40 AM

Gage-Mikel wrote:

Mamaseeta wrote:

MoonglumHMV wrote:

Ok...I'm a very bored observer here (must be to have read this entire line of posts ) so I'm going to try and see if I can help try to explain Gage's point: (note all numbers are entirely made up for examples only!!!)

Level 50 swashbuckler - 50 damage/sec - not using HO's

Level 50 bard - 70 damage/sec - not using HO's

You could make the arguement that the level 50 Swashbucker is 'broken' due to the huge dam/sec difference.

Mama, saying that the Swashbuckler should do HO's to increase his dam/sec is fine, and that would lead to the following:

Level 50 Swashbuckler - 70 damage/sec - using HO's

Level 50 bard - 70 damage/sec - not using HO's

That would be all well and good, but the bard has access to the EXACT same HO's that the Swashbuckler has, which leads to the following:

Level 50 Swashbuckler - 70 damage/sec - using HO's

Level 50 bard - 90 damage/sec - using HO's

Just putting my part into trying to put some 'visible logic' into what Gage is trying to say...

Message Edited by MoonglumHMV on 01-25-2005 01:33 PM

While most of this post is accurate, I never singled out Swashbucklers.

You did once, but that isn't the point. Gangster DID single out swashbucklers and you immediately went into most neglecting HOs and they shouldn't cry about balance when SoE has provided abilites for them to use.

I don't know why its so hard for you to understand that HOs have 100% absolutely nothing to do with subclass or class balance because HOs are based on archtype.

I think that Gage ackowledges that you didn't initiate the post to talking about Swashbucklers...but that is absolutely and completely irrelevent to what Gage is trying to say...HO's are a supplement that all subclasses of the same archtype have access to...the results of the HO's are the same for each subclass of the same archtype, so they should not come into the discussion when speaking about a 'broken' sub-class or skills...

Mamasee · 01-26-2005, 02:44 AM

Now, Mama please tell me how anyone can misconstrue your post.

You even say "IN REGARDS TO SWASHBUCKLER DAMAGE FEW PEOPLE DO HO'S".

How in the hell can anyone misunderstand what you are saying. Sure you get all crazy and start saying rouge this and rouge that but your FIRST post and FIRST sentence BRINGS UP HOs as balance.

YOU ARE WRONG GET OVER YOURSELF.

I dont know but you apperently have done so again I made refferance to the swashbuckler posts, then use the work rouge, every single time after. I am sorry you seem to missunderstand, however even after I make a clarifacation you still seem to have issues getting over ones self.

Gaige · 01-26-2005, 02:51 AM

Mamaseeta wrote:

I dont know but you apperently have done so again I made refferance to the swashbuckler posts, then use the work rouge, every single time after. I am sorry you seem to missunderstand, however even after I make a clarifacation you still seem to have issues getting over ones self.

Mama are you unware that HOs are based on the scout archtype and not the rouge class?

Mamasee · 01-26-2005, 03:05 AM

Gage-Mikel wrote:
Mamaseeta wrote:

I dont know but you apperently have done so again I made refferance to the swashbuckler posts, then use the work rouge, every single time after. I am sorry you seem to missunderstand, however even after I make a clarifacation you still seem to have issues getting over ones self.

Mama are you unware that HOs are based on the scout archtype and not the rouge class?

Well I see what the issue is, when I used the term rogue I was reffering to the scout class, I should of stated scout archetype and not rogue. I use the term rogue when reffering to all the classes of the scout archetypes.

Kwonryu_DragonFi · 01-26-2005, 03:09 AM

Ok, Mamaseeta.So whats wrong with the Scouts?

Mamasee · 01-26-2005, 03:18 AM

Kwonryu_DragonFist wrote:Ok, Mamaseeta.So whats wrong with the Scouts?

As near as I can tell nothing, I hear some them complain about there low damamge, however I continue to be outdamamged by a ranger, and a dirge I usually group with. That damamge spread gets farther apart when we use HOs.

reakshav · 01-26-2005, 04:21 AM

Mama you really need to learn to spell or get a spell checker.

Galeo1 · 01-26-2005, 04:38 AM

I tank for most of the groups I'm in as well.

Since, I usually bring a bot healer (26 Inquisitor) I usual don't allow for them to say we need a tank. I just start clearing to our destination and they'll follow suit. I've gotten several tells saying something along the lines,'wow! monks can tank... I didn't know that.'

It's just a misinterpretation between how we tank and our plate counterparts.

If you haven't tank, I recommend you give it shot. It's pretty gratifying MA'ing that orange or red encounter and winning.

I do admit. I will defer to plate tanks when we're handling yellow+ encounters if they are available. Those encounters tend to have streaky dps when I'm tanking. White encounters and below... they just dont hit me.

I'm currently level 27 and I'm gonna make it my mission to MA one of the drakota in Antonica or Commonlands. Green ^^^, I think we should tank quite well. Only problem will be keeping the raid alive long enough. =)

Cheers,

Rock

Ratonga monk, 27th Level

Oggok

GangsterFi · 01-26-2005, 04:59 AM

OMG! | | | V | | | VYou all are serioulsy certifiable! SMILEY

sensie · 01-26-2005, 09:32 AM

The refresh timer is faster on other Tank classes for thier gorup taunts. I do believe a monks group taunt is set for 30 seconds

Sensie Hwaramf 29 monk Guk

Kwonryu_DragonFi · 01-26-2005, 09:47 AM

20 seconds if you choose the lvl 40 AE taunt specialization that adds atk (upgrade to Focus Energy)

Gaige · 01-26-2005, 10:03 AM

Kwonryu_DragonFist wrote:
20 seconds if you choose the lvl 40 AE taunt specialization that adds atk (upgrade to Focus Energy)

Like I did :0

Mamasee · 01-26-2005, 10:12 AM

sensie wrote:
The refresh timer is faster on other Tank classes for thier gorup taunts. I do believe a monks group taunt is set for 30 seconds

Sensie Hwaramf 29 monk Guk

The guardians tell me there AOE taunt is 30 seconds and 7 for the single, mine is 30 and 8. Are they the same taunt effect? However monks can use my single while stunned, and the aoe interupts casting, no ones taunt is better just different.

Kwonryu_DragonFi · 01-26-2005, 10:18 AM

Gage-Mikel wrote:
Kwonryu_DragonFist wrote:
20 seconds if you choose the lvl 40 AE taunt specialization that adds atk (upgrade to Focus Energy)
Like I did :0

I have both the lvl 40 20 second AE one and the quick refresh lvl 10 one! SMILEY

01-26-2005, 02:36 AM	#91
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	No, no I'm not. Mama are you really this dense or are you desperately trying to make people think you have some sort of idea you know what you are talking about. Here was the FIRST post swashbucklers were brought up: GangsterFist wrote: Swashbucklers are mad because their DPS is about equal to a monk, and their group invis is not as good as an illusionist/fury. This is your reply, the first time you mention swashbucklers: Mamaseeta wrote: In reguards to swashbuckler dammage, I have found that fiew people do HOs in a group, the roughe types can do quite a bit more damamge in addition to manipulating the wheel. Now, Mama please tell me how anyone can misconstrue your post. You even say "IN REGARDS TO SWASHBUCKLER DAMAGE FEW PEOPLE DO HO'S". How in the hell can anyone misunderstand what you are saying. Sure you get all crazy and start saying rouge this and rouge that but your FIRST post and FIRST sentence BRINGS UP HOs as balance. YOU ARE WRONG GET OVER YOURSELF. __________________

01-26-2005, 02:40 AM	#92
MoonglumHMV Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 226	Gage-Mikel wrote: Mamaseeta wrote: MoonglumHMV wrote: Ok...I'm a very bored observer here (must be to have read this entire line of posts ) so I'm going to try and see if I can help try to explain Gage's point: (note all numbers are entirely made up for examples only!!!) Level 50 swashbuckler - 50 damage/sec - not using HO's Level 50 bard - 70 damage/sec - not using HO's You could make the arguement that the level 50 Swashbucker is 'broken' due to the huge dam/sec difference. Mama, saying that the Swashbuckler should do HO's to increase his dam/sec is fine, and that would lead to the following: Level 50 Swashbuckler - 70 damage/sec - using HO's Level 50 bard - 70 damage/sec - not using HO's That would be all well and good, but the bard has access to the EXACT same HO's that the Swashbuckler has, which leads to the following: Level 50 Swashbuckler - 70 damage/sec - using HO's Level 50 bard - 90 damage/sec - using HO's Just putting my part into trying to put some 'visible logic' into what Gage is trying to say... Message Edited by MoonglumHMV on 01-25-2005 01:33 PM While most of this post is accurate, I never singled out Swashbucklers. You did once, but that isn't the point. Gangster DID single out swashbucklers and you immediately went into most neglecting HOs and they shouldn't cry about balance when SoE has provided abilites for them to use. I don't know why its so hard for you to understand that HOs have 100% absolutely nothing to do with subclass or class balance because HOs are based on archtype. I think that Gage ackowledges that you didn't initiate the post to talking about Swashbucklers...but that is absolutely and completely irrelevent to what Gage is trying to say...HO's are a supplement that all subclasses of the same archtype have access to...the results of the HO's are the same for each subclass of the same archtype, so they should not come into the discussion when speaking about a 'broken' sub-class or skills... __________________ Moonfire - 59 Ogre Monk Ziofan - 36 Dwarf Fury Peski 33 Ogre Coercer Theleb 24 Dark Elf Warlock Moonglum 24 Iksar Brigand Moonfire 12 Sarnak Berserker Moonfyst 19 Ratonga Bruiser

01-26-2005, 02:44 AM	#93
Mamasee Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 379	Now, Mama please tell me how anyone can misconstrue your post. You even say "IN REGARDS TO SWASHBUCKLER DAMAGE FEW PEOPLE DO HO'S". How in the hell can anyone misunderstand what you are saying. Sure you get all crazy and start saying rouge this and rouge that but your FIRST post and FIRST sentence BRINGS UP HOs as balance. YOU ARE WRONG GET OVER YOURSELF. I dont know but you apperently have done so again I made refferance to the swashbuckler posts, then use the work rouge, every single time after. I am sorry you seem to missunderstand, however even after I make a clarifacation you still seem to have issues getting over ones self.

01-26-2005, 02:51 AM	#94
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Mamaseeta wrote: I dont know but you apperently have done so again I made refferance to the swashbuckler posts, then use the work rouge, every single time after. I am sorry you seem to missunderstand, however even after I make a clarifacation you still seem to have issues getting over ones self. Mama are you unware that HOs are based on the scout archtype and not the rouge class? __________________

01-26-2005, 03:05 AM	#95
Mamasee Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 379	Gage-Mikel wrote: Mamaseeta wrote: I dont know but you apperently have done so again I made refferance to the swashbuckler posts, then use the work rouge, every single time after. I am sorry you seem to missunderstand, however even after I make a clarifacation you still seem to have issues getting over ones self. Mama are you unware that HOs are based on the scout archtype and not the rouge class? Well I see what the issue is, when I used the term rogue I was reffering to the scout class, I should of stated scout archetype and not rogue. I use the term rogue when reffering to all the classes of the scout archetypes.

01-26-2005, 03:09 AM	#96
Kwonryu_DragonFi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 183	Ok, Mamaseeta.So whats wrong with the Scouts?

01-26-2005, 03:18 AM	#97
Mamasee Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 379	Kwonryu_DragonFist wrote:Ok, Mamaseeta.So whats wrong with the Scouts? As near as I can tell nothing, I hear some them complain about there low damamge, however I continue to be outdamamged by a ranger, and a dirge I usually group with. That damamge spread gets farther apart when we use HOs.

01-26-2005, 04:21 AM	#98
reakshav Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 121	Mama you really need to learn to spell or get a spell checker.

01-26-2005, 04:38 AM	#99
Galeo1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 30	I tank for most of the groups I'm in as well. Since, I usually bring a bot healer (26 Inquisitor) I usual don't allow for them to say we need a tank. I just start clearing to our destination and they'll follow suit. I've gotten several tells saying something along the lines,'wow! monks can tank... I didn't know that.' It's just a misinterpretation between how we tank and our plate counterparts. If you haven't tank, I recommend you give it shot. It's pretty gratifying MA'ing that orange or red encounter and winning. I do admit. I will defer to plate tanks when we're handling yellow+ encounters if they are available. Those encounters tend to have streaky dps when I'm tanking. White encounters and below... they just dont hit me. I'm currently level 27 and I'm gonna make it my mission to MA one of the drakota in Antonica or Commonlands. Green ^^^, I think we should tank quite well. Only problem will be keeping the raid alive long enough. =) Cheers, Rock Ratonga monk, 27th Level Oggok

01-26-2005, 04:59 AM	#100
GangsterFi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 439	OMG! \| \| \| V \| \| \| VYou all are serioulsy certifiable!

01-26-2005, 09:32 AM	#101
sensie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	The refresh timer is faster on other Tank classes for thier gorup taunts. I do believe a monks group taunt is set for 30 seconds Sensie Hwaramf 29 monk Guk __________________

01-26-2005, 09:47 AM	#102
Kwonryu_DragonFi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 183	20 seconds if you choose the lvl 40 AE taunt specialization that adds atk (upgrade to Focus Energy)

01-26-2005, 10:03 AM	#103
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Kwonryu_DragonFist wrote: 20 seconds if you choose the lvl 40 AE taunt specialization that adds atk (upgrade to Focus Energy) Like I did :0 __________________

01-26-2005, 10:12 AM	#104
Mamasee Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 379	sensie wrote: The refresh timer is faster on other Tank classes for thier gorup taunts. I do believe a monks group taunt is set for 30 seconds Sensie Hwaramf 29 monk Guk The guardians tell me there AOE taunt is 30 seconds and 7 for the single, mine is 30 and 8. Are they the same taunt effect? However monks can use my single while stunned, and the aoe interupts casting, no ones taunt is better just different.

01-26-2005, 10:18 AM	#105
Kwonryu_DragonFi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 183	Gage-Mikel wrote: Kwonryu_DragonFist wrote: 20 seconds if you choose the lvl 40 AE taunt specialization that adds atk (upgrade to Focus Energy) Like I did :0 I have both the lvl 40 20 second AE one and the quick refresh lvl 10 one!