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Old 01-18-2011, 06:43 PM   #1
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Well we know there is no official website for DoV, but what about lore? There has been no lore released leading up to DoV...Kraytok Killingfrost and the Order of Rime play a huge part in Velious and that has been a dead end since being released.

The only bit of lore has been tied to a Station Cash release, yes after the fact there was a shoddy lore writeup about the origins of the Freeblood but it was an afterthought to the marketing push. It makes me dread the expansion. I play high end, and spend my time at the end game but my biggest focus has always been the lore. With SF we had barely anything as far as in game lore additions, no books, no quests, no mysteries. Velious is one of the richest continents as far as the history of Norrath goes, and apparently plays a huge part in Ages End and I have this sick feeling all that will get pushed aside in the rush to get the next weapon on Station Marketplace.

I know DCUO is pulling resources, SC is a priority and Smoke is trying to be in lockstep with Blizzard but come on...this part of the forums dies a bit more each day.

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Old 01-18-2011, 07:08 PM   #2
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actually the Freeblood link to DoV is flimsy at best. really it's only conecction is that Sarkon exhibits the same traits as Tserrina did with mayong in the fact that he was not subserviant to the vampire/bloodline that spawned him. The Order of Rime is probably in Velious..and I'll wager is either the actual force in charge of Kael Drakkel now, or are teh remnant of the potentially fallen city.

really the only things we know about Velious is that Tserrina has supposedly thrived, and her Tower is a force to be reckoned with now. that Kerafrym has more them likely setup shop there, and that we need to drain the powers of Exnous and Aeteok from him... either by finding a way to reverse the process or killing him. We know that Rallos is making a play there...seemingly the first God that's getting over his fear of Theer...or potentially thinking he can take Kera and get the god killing power for himself.

we know thurgadin still exists...but that's about all we know.

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Old 01-18-2011, 07:44 PM   #3
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Tserrina is a raid target (and sporting some seriously cool armour, about from wearing her kneepads as a bra)

What ah want to know is: who is the dude frozen in the wall? And wasn't the dragon that used to wander around white (and no, not talking about Lady Vox)? There is now a black dragon, and what appears to be a similar portal to that found in Neriak (the inactive Seagate)

Oh, and it does look like Rallos makes an appearance (certainly looks like him)

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Old 01-18-2011, 11:53 PM   #4
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It really isn't possible to have a Lore discussion about Velious until it hits live. After all, until it hits live it doesn't really exist in EQ2.

Also, isn't the beta under NDA still?

We could discuss the lead-up quest. I'm a little disappointed that I won't be able to hunt Lodi in EQ2, but I do have to admit he is more impressive as a transport ship than the Icebreaker ever was. Also, considering that most people will take the big turtle to Velious all of once and will always use druid rings, wizard spires and probably bells to get there afterward you might as well make the first time something epic.

But to stay on topic, I don't see why the Othmir have switched to shell hats instead of an actual fez. Stupid shells.

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Old 01-19-2011, 02:45 AM   #5
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DrkVsr wrote:

Tserrina is a raid target (and sporting some seriously cool armour, about from wearing her kneepads as a bra)

What ah want to know is: who is the dude frozen in the wall? And wasn't the dragon that used to wander around white (and no, not talking about Lady Vox)? There is now a black dragon, and what appears to be a similar portal to that found in Neriak (the inactive Seagate)

Oh, and it does look like Rallos makes an appearance (certainly looks like him)

That's Velkator the Sorcerer, (former) owner of Velkator's Labyrinth. I'm hoping we'll find out how he was overthrown and turned into a trophy. As for a black dragon... well.. There were tons of dragons of all colors on Velious, including Harla Dar as a black dragon, but there were others that wandered around all over the place.

CALLED IT! Assuming that's not just part of the zone furnitings, that's the Idol of Rallos Zek right there. Kill him and the Avatar of War spawns... At least, that's how it was in EQlive. I don't expect that to change, but if it really does turn out to be Rallos Zek himself, then that's cool too.

Also, Why the hell are they charging $90 for a freaking special edition?

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Old 01-19-2011, 12:00 PM   #6
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Cusashorn wrote:

DrkVsr wrote:

Tserrina is a raid target (and sporting some seriously cool armour, about from wearing her kneepads as a bra)

What ah want to know is: who is the dude frozen in the wall? And wasn't the dragon that used to wander around white (and no, not talking about Lady Vox)? There is now a black dragon, and what appears to be a similar portal to that found in Neriak (the inactive Seagate)

Oh, and it does look like Rallos makes an appearance (certainly looks like him)

That's Velkator the Sorcerer, (former) owner of Velkator's Labyrinth. I'm hoping we'll find out how he was overthrown and turned into a trophy. As for a black dragon... well.. There were tons of dragons of all colors on Velious, including Harla Dar as a black dragon, but there were others that wandered around all over the place.

CALLED IT! Assuming that's not just part of the zone furnitings, that's the Idol of Rallos Zek right there. Kill him and the Avatar of War spawns... At least, that's how it was in EQlive. I don't expect that to change, but if it really does turn out to be Rallos Zek himself, then that's cool too.

Also, Why the hell are they charging $90 for a freaking special edition?

Black dragon that comes to mind is Zlandicar, our old friend from Dragon Necropolis. As for the Avatar of War being present well...duh, SF is riddled with the minions of the Zek twins and Kraytok Killingfrost and the Order of Rime has had strong overtones with Rallos Zek from the get go (aside from my calling them out to be Kromrif and Kromzek from the get go). I'm curious to see how much they flesh it out, will Skyshrine be around? Will it be a ruin due to the Sleeper's likely rampage to avenge himself upon the dragonkin that betrayed him?

I have a feeling though this will be more based around the conflict of Zek and his legions with maybe the Coldain, I don't see the dragons as being a big a player anymore.

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Old 01-19-2011, 01:03 PM   #7
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^ yeah but what matters is whether or not we actually fight Rallos Zek like the description told us, or if it was just a screw up by the PR guys who wrote it, not realizing that it's actually just the Avatar of War.

I would imagine Zlandicar will still be in the Dragon Necropolis in the 2nd half of the expansion. I also hope he looks closer to his original design and not just another generic dragon. Heck, judging by the giants standing next to it, I don't think it's him.

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Old 01-19-2011, 01:24 PM   #8
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 ICusashorn wrote:

^ yeah but what matters is whether or not we actually fight Rallos Zek like the description told us, or if it was just a screw up by the PR guys who wrote it, not realizing that it's actually just the Avatar of War.

I would imagine Zlandicar will still be in the Dragon Necropolis in the 2nd half of the expansion. I also hope he looks closer to his original design and not just another generic dragon. Heck, judging by the giants standing next to it, I don't think it's him.

Yeah I wasn't too excited to see what looks like another generic dragon standing there in the freaking promo screenies for what is supposed to be the biggest expansion in EQ2 history (imo).

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Old 01-19-2011, 04:48 PM   #9
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From what I remember, This is only part 1 of Velious. I think their are 3 parts.

I don't think Skyshrine, Cobalt Scar, or Western Wastes are in part 1 Part 1 might cover everything up till you get to the Wakening Wood.

I'm probably wrong. But I do remember Velious supposedly being released in parts.

They might of changed that since Fanfaire

Also, I suppose we find out how Erollisi Marr comes back to life in Velious, or on Erollisi day this year..

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Yeah they owe us big time for that one. They better bring her back.
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:34 PM   #11
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Yeah, I think that's my biggest beef right now... there's all these plotlines that seem to fizzle out.  I hope there's good lore in Velious, and there probably will be, but I want them to start finishing some of the stories they started.

We still don't know much about what happened to Erollisi or Mithaniel since Shard of Love.  E. Day last year had new lore, but it didn't really further the existing story.  And New Halas brought around hints of the Marr's influence, but no more word.

Then there was the anniversary festival, which I was surprised happened again this year.  But again, no new info about Thumore D'Armer.  We assume he's Morrell Thule, who is tied to the above.  But not sure.

Then there's the "Where's Lucan" plotline, which although it was resolved, doesn't feel resolved.  I mean, he's supposed to be back in Freeport now, but it's hard to feel his influence besides the fact that you don't get kicked running around in Freeport.  Maybe he could convince the group of NPCs that like to hang out in a big group in WFP to start clearing out some rubble.  What happened to Tayil and Murrar?  Are they dead?  In hiding?  Are Antonia and her secret society happy with her decision to bring him back?  Is anything going to change in Freeport/Qeynos whatsoever, or is it business as usual?

Those are the big ones I can think of.

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Old 01-19-2011, 06:50 PM   #12
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what makes you say Tserrina is a raid target? the pictures I see of her make her look like a group target...or maybe there's 2 versions of her. a raid version and a group version. though if your going by the fact she's all alone on her floor/room...she was all alone in EQ1 too. there was nothing on her floor but her.

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what makes you say Tserrina is a raid target? the pictures I see of her make her look like a group target...or maybe there's 2 versions of her. a raid version and a group version. though if your going by the fact she's all alone on her floor/room...she was all alone in EQ1 too. there was nothing on her floor but her.

But there could be more than one floor per group/raid instance.  Do you really think they would have a different zone for every floor? (there were 7 or 8, right?)

And yeah, it's possible there's 2 versions of her.  They did that with Perah'Celsis in this expansion.

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The pictures on the preorder website do not show Tserrina if you are referring to those.

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So that woman with the white skin, purple markings..bearing that sword isn't Tserrina? ( I did kinda thinkg ti was odd for her to have a sword...considering she's a mage.)

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Correct that is not Tserrina.

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Gninja wrote:

Correct that is not Tserrina.

That is a minion of Zek. Possibly a Sullonite by the fact she is female. Also, the location may be Kael Drakkel due to the general motif of the area, especially the head of what looks like a Dar brood dragon mounted behind her. The horn and face style matches the appearance of Phara Dar as well as her parents Harla Dar and Jaled Dar.

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oh I suppose teh woman we see on the preorder site may be Sullon Zek maybe... she looks rather warrior and has something that reminds me of the tallonites... as for Tserinna, in terms of concept art, I suppose that the woman we see in the eq2players background picture on the right, well this one is Tserrina... (and rallos on the left)
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Or she may be someone else entirely. I doubt she'd be Sullon Zek herself, or even an avatar of that diety.

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Velketor the Sorcerer

The Statue of Rallos Zek

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I also hope the lore is revealed soon.  There seems to be alot of different angles and players involved (Rallos/Rime/Tserrina/Firiona/Duality/Kael Drakkal/Coldain/Dragons).

I think many questions will be answered, and I also hope that many questions arent left unasnwered or pushed into oblivion as sometime they do if not given attention in a timely manner.

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From what I have seen in the Teaser that was just released:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kWJ...p;feature=feedu

It appears that Kraytok Killingfrost kicked old Velks in his face and took over his Labyrnth. I wonder how that happened? Could the Rime be a result of something that Velks was doing?

Only reason I'm saying that is that I saw spiders in a Labrynth. So like, yeah. That's gotta be Velks Labby that was taken over.

People probably already know this.

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[email protected] Bayle wrote:

From what I have seen in the Teaser that was just released:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kWJ...p;feature=feedu

It appears that Kraytok Killingfrost kicked old Velks in his face and took over his Labyrnth. I wonder how that happened? Could the Rime be a result of something that Velks was doing?

Only reason I'm saying that is that I saw spiders in a Labrynth. So like, yeah. That's gotta be Velks Labby that was taken over.

People probably already know this.

Spiders AND an exceptionally long vertical climb up narrow ramps. Thats what made Velks so fun back then.

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I'm not so sure the Kraytoc took over the labyrinth by force though. it might be that Kraytoc is an ally to Velk...and part of the reason he's been scouring the world for magical artifacts is trying to get Velk out of that block of ice.

considering rime is a covering of ice, you coudl theorize that the Order of Rime is devoted to Velk....who is as of right now, covered in ice...which is also why Kraytoc was so interested in the Shard of Sol that Ione the Lifebringer possessed. to utilize it to let Velk loose. after all if I remember right, he was an outcast from Kael Drakkel, and considered one o fthe more powerful mages of the Kromrif/Kromzek. He'd make a useful ally.

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^ It'd be easier to just melt the ice with heat. :p

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I'm not so sure the Kraytoc took over the labyrinth by force though. it might be that Kraytoc is an ally to Velk...and part of the reason he's been scouring the world for magical artifacts is trying to get Velk out of that block of ice.

considering rime is a covering of ice, you coudl theorize that the Order of Rime is devoted to Velk....who is as of right now, covered in ice...which is also why Kraytoc was so interested in the Shard of Sol that Ione the Lifebringer possessed. to utilize it to let Velk loose. after all if I remember right, he was an outcast from Kael Drakkel, and considered one o fthe more powerful mages of the Kromrif/Kromzek. He'd make a useful ally.

The Order of Rime, as far as everyone under Kraytoc, is devoted to Kraytoc Killingfrost alone; fanatically so. 

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True, the underlings are devoted to Kraytoc...but that doesn't mean Kraytoc didn't form the Order for the purpose of freeing Velk. though I bet that yeah, the story is that Kraytoc usurped him...I do think the idea of him wokring to free Velk and use him as a powerful ally against say, Kael Drakkel would be a better story.

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Homeskillet wrote:

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I'm not so sure the Kraytoc took over the labyrinth by force though. it might be that Kraytoc is an ally to Velk...and part of the reason he's been scouring the world for magical artifacts is trying to get Velk out of that block of ice.

considering rime is a covering of ice, you coudl theorize that the Order of Rime is devoted to Velk....who is as of right now, covered in ice...which is also why Kraytoc was so interested in the Shard of Sol that Ione the Lifebringer possessed. to utilize it to let Velk loose. after all if I remember right, he was an outcast from Kael Drakkel, and considered one o fthe more powerful mages of the Kromrif/Kromzek. He'd make a useful ally.

The Order of Rime, as far as everyone under Kraytoc, is devoted to Kraytoc Killingfrost alone; fanatically so. 

Coercively so as well...

Honestly, I think if they wanted to free Velkator, they'd just take a torch and melt the ice.

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Isn't the Ice in Velious Magical? Velium?

Figured Velium meant super strong magic ice from Velious

It might not be as simple as melting him out.

Or maybe they did take the place from Velks..

I dunno lol

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Concerning Rallos Zek.

Are Rallosian worshippers going to be able to walk up to Zek without being immediately killed? If we have enough faction, is walking through the Zek-held parts of Velious not going to be KoS for us?

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