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Old 06-17-2008, 01:24 PM   #1
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I personally think a server merge would be an Excellent idea these days.

I play on Guk server and at times it feels like a ghost town. Seems like half the guilds on the server have lost half there members ove the last 2 years since the last server merge, and we need fresh blood or a server merge to make things easier for all.

Please dont flame here i would really like to see Honest feelings on what you all think of a server merge

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Old 06-17-2008, 01:28 PM   #2
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:31 PM   #3
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:32 PM   #4
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Well, they have the Living Legacy promotion going on all summer to bring in returning/new players.  That should help somewhat.  Plus there is a free character transfer in the worksTo answer your question.  No.  IMO server mergers are not the answer (yet).  Time will tell if thats an appropriate action after the dust settles at the end of the summer.Edited for falling for a Necroed thread.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:34 PM   #5
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Asfera wrote:

I personally think a server merge would be an Excellent idea these days.

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.Please dont flame here i would really like to see Honest feelings on what you all think of a server mergeWhat would be so great about forcing people to go play on a server of somebody else's choosing when they might want to go play on a different server instead?Limited time Free Player Transfers should always be the first course of action. Mergers the absolute last resort. Not sure why people always think the most complicated and traumatizing course of action is the best solution. *boggles*
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:38 PM   #6
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No, server merges, however opening up free transfers for a couple weeks would make many of us happy.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:43 PM   #7
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Agreeing with the Rat(onga) free transfert first.
After it depends if people that currently play for free will stay or not.
If not server merging will become sooner or later a necessity 
they probably know how to handle that smoothly from Eq1 experience.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:43 PM   #8
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Coming from the over populated Crushbone server, I can answer your question with a definitive NO...end of story
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:44 PM   #9
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At this point I see no good reason for any mergers.

It is the summer slack time, so populations are down on all servers (and in all games too, BTW, read some of the competing game forums).

Hopefully the current promotion will bring new people in and some ex player back. If it does not, and things are still a problem this Fall, then perhaps look at a merger.

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Old 06-17-2008, 01:51 PM   #10
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Please, no. No server merges. Last one was a big hassle. My server was very last one to come back up after a long day and night. Or second last.

Free (limited time) server transfers would be a better option.

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Old 06-17-2008, 01:52 PM   #11
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Well, they have the Living Legacy promotion going on all summer to bring in returning/new players.  That should help somewhat.  Plus there is a free character transfer in the works

Greetings, everyone. I wanted to offer an update for where we are on the state of the EU PvP servers.

Our initial plan as I discussed in the original post at http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=350284 is going to be changing slightly, to make sure we're able to do this without much longer of a delay.

What we had hoped would be a simple and timely change to our billing system proved to be a more complex task than there is time to both implement and test properly.

3) Once the PvP server transfers are complete, players on all servers will have a week-long opportunity to transfer their characters for free.

  • This will allow affected people who may have instead wanted to play on Vox or Nagafen the chance to transfer their characters to those servers at no cost.
  • Characters on PvP servers will be able to transfer to other PvP servers at no cost.
  • Additionally, characters on PvE servers will be able to transfer to other PvE servers at no cost.
  • Following the one week free-transfer period, PvP <-> PvP character transfers will remain enabled at the standard transfer cost.

Once we have a specific timeline for these steps, we'll post it here. We're aiming to get that timeline post up by the end of next week.

- Scott

The time of these transfers is not known yet, so keep on the lookout for any info.To answer your question.  No.  IMO server mergers are not the answer (yet).  Time will tell if thats an appropriate action after the dust settles at the end of the summer.

Well, either I read the post you linked completely wrong (including the two followups on that particular post), or the free character transfer you speak of has already happened.

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  • Game Update 34 on April 25th.
  • PvP server merges on April 30th.
  • Then one week of free character transfers.

  I'd like to thank everyone for their patience while this was worked out. Message edited by Grimwell on 04/17/2007 17:56:56.

That was from the second followup: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=357507

To answer the OP, I think that while some servers may need merges, not all do, so therefore merging would likely hurt more than help at this point. If there is no current free character transfer in the works (ie: if the above mentioned transfer did occur and wasn't pushed off), I believe that they should consider it for after the Living Legacy period has ended. I would definitely take advantage of it, and I have heard from a lot of people they would love one.

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Old 06-17-2008, 01:53 PM   #12
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The Spyder is right, merger would not be fair to so many people it isn't even funny.

Free transfers are the way to go and if it leaves a server in a shambles then a possible merge, or maybe a forced free transfer. The thing about free transfers is you never know how many will bail on a server, and what the server will be like afterwards.

As Spyder has pointed out, (in more than a few post)  SMILEY  he doesn't want to go to Naggy and it would not be fair to him to force him to, but wouldn't it be funny if most of Naggy went to Venekor.

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Old 06-17-2008, 02:00 PM   #13
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Brook wrote:

The Spyder is right, merger would not be fair to so many people it isn't even funny.

Yup yup. And, for those people out there who still don't understand the many reasons why server mergers should always be the last resort.. I went in to it in great detail in a recent article on Allakhazam.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:09 PM   #14
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Server merge?  Are you going to be upset when you lose your character's name after 3 years just because someone had it 3 days longer than you?  That was part of some of the major issues that popped up after the last merge.  Oh yea, lag.  The lag was horrible and the merge caused rifts in entire guilds.

Server merges tend tear apart the community.  Yes, they can be rebuilt but usually when the game has a lot of new blood in it.  Merging now would be like stabbing eq2 in a major vein.

Character transfers, yes, merge no.

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Old 06-17-2008, 02:11 PM   #15
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Yeah beat that dead horse even more.

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Old 06-17-2008, 03:05 PM   #16
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plus this new expansion will bring back a lot of players from AoC (those that haven't come back already).  No thanks on the server merges.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:41 PM   #17
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I would have no problem with a free transfer as long as it allowed you to move all your toons over a certain level (say level 10 or 20), not just 1.

 A free transfer would be complete garbage if it only allowed 1 toon to be moved.

Other then a free transfer of an entire account, I would support a merger of lower populaton servers.

A potential problem of a free tranfer period, is say you are a returning player who comes back after the transfer period and now find yourself on a ghost town server with nobody to groups with.  Most will probably just recancel given those circumstances.

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Old 06-17-2008, 03:48 PM   #18
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  Plus there is a free character transfer in the works
Can you elaborate on this?  Is it a single character transfer or can you transferr all your toons?
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:50 PM   #19
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:52 PM   #21
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Just a note... the post about free server transfers that was linked earlier was from 3/2007.  Gallenite actually left SOE in december of 2007.  That transfer has happened already SMILEY

That having been said, I'd like to add a big no thank you very much to the notion of merges.  I personally don't think they're needed and I really don't want to have to go through the hassle of getting used to a new server and new name if someone has already snagged mine.

I still tell everyone I play on Neriak instead of Kith... and don't get me started on the name thing.  Oy!

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Old 06-17-2008, 03:57 PM   #22
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It ammuse me that people seem to think that SOE is going to operate an entire server for them, their guild and their friends, all the while hemmoraging money doing so.

If the server pops get low enough to stop being as profitable, they will be merged.  No amount of crying will change that.

Business = bottom line.

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Old 06-17-2008, 04:07 PM   #23
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evilgamer wrote:

It ammuse me that people seem to think that SOE is going to operate an entire server for them, their guild and their friends, all the while hemmoraging money doing so.

If the server pops get low enough to stop being as profitable, they will be merged.  No amount of crying will change that.

Business = bottom line.

Actuall, Evilgamer, it cuts both ways.  No amount of crying will get them to merge if they don't want to merge.

Historically, SOE has done one major merge in a game.  That's been in EQ and EQ2.  SWG has very low population servers and they still refuse to merge them (granted they have major logistical issues to a merge).

So for them, it would be easier to open up a free server transfer...except that kind of back fired on them last time.  People moved to the higher pop servers causing major lag and server stability issues when RoK was released.

Either way, I wouldn't hold my breath for either one while the promotion is happening.  You don't want to stir up a problems while people are trying stuff out again.  By the time the promotion is over, devs will be too busy with next expansion.  If they were to do a merge or transfers, it wouldn't probably be till next year.

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Old 06-17-2008, 04:12 PM   #24
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I know some servers are hurting for population but I would like to see what, if any, impact the Living Legacy Promotion has on attracting returning/new players before lobbying for a merge.  I have characters on a few different servers and I've noticed a small influx of new players recently as well as a few old friends who left and hve now come back to give it another try.  Also, as someone mentioned, things taper off a bit during the summer due to vacation and people wanting to enjoy the outdoors. 
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:13 PM   #25
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interstellarmatter wrote:
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It ammuse me that people seem to think that SOE is going to operate an entire server for them, their guild and their friends, all the while hemmoraging money doing so.

If the server pops get low enough to stop being as profitable, they will be merged.  No amount of crying will change that.

Business = bottom line.

Actuall, Evilgamer, it cuts both ways.  No amount of crying will get them to merge if they don't want to merge.

I agree 100%.  I have never started a server merge thread.

I would like to transfer to a higher pop server myself, but I am not paying $200 to move my 4 toons to do it.

I would support a server merge myself, as my server is often barren at times.  If I ever get to the point that there is nothing left to do but solo because there is no one to group with I will just cancel my account.  I dont play an MMO to just do solo quest, I play to interact with others to accomplish goals.  Its sort of like being a member of a sports team in a way. 

 Historically, SOE has done one major merge in a game.  That's been in EQ and EQ2.  SWG has very low population servers and they still refuse to merge them (granted they have major logistical issues to a merge).

So for them, it would be easier to open up a free server transfer...except that kind of back fired on them last time.  People moved to the higher pop servers causing major lag and server stability issues when RoK was released.

Either way, I wouldn't hold my breath for either one while the promotion is happening.  You don't want to stir up a problems while people are trying stuff out again.  By the time the promotion is over, devs will be too busy with next expansion.  If they were to do a merge or transfers, it wouldn't probably be till next year.

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No, to server merge.

Yes, to free character transfers (although this will probably lead to a few servers becoming even more underpopulated, as folks move to busier servers for better Guilding and LFG opportunities).

My feeling is that when servers pops get lower, we are going to see a merge whether we like it or not.  And I suspect that would happen before the next expansion.

I would not count on a swarm of returnees from AOC.  My freinds that left to play that game seem to be loving it so far, I doubt they will be back anytime soon.

Legacy program seems to have brought quite a few folks back to the game on Everfrost so far, not sure how it has affected server populations overall.  EQII is such a great game compared to WOW, I hope folks keep returning from WOW to check out all of the content added in the last 2 years SMILEY

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Riverstone wrote:
I know some servers are hurting for population but I would like to see what, if any, impact the Living Legacy Promotion has on attracting returning/new players before lobbying for a merge.  I have characters on a few different servers and I've noticed a small influx of new players recently as well as a few old friends who left and hve now come back to give it another try.  Also, as someone mentioned, things taper off a bit during the summer due to vacation and people wanting to enjoy the outdoors. 

I have noticed a few newer players myself. Only time will tell if they will actually stick around once they start having to pay for their accounts again.

I know the game has changed alot, but were teh reasons most of them quit really addressed?  If not, well I wouldnt get my hopes up.  If so, then maybee EQ2 will go thru a resurgence.

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Old 06-17-2008, 04:55 PM   #28
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I used to play EQ1, then Daoc (God help me), then back to EQ1, then FFXI, then EQ1, then EQ2, then EQ1 again, then WoW.  This all happened since about 99 when EQ1 came out.Needless to say I have seen a lot of games, a lot of different playing styles, but yet I find myself keep coming back to the Everquest genre.  I tried playing EQ1 again through this promotion, but the graphics and the interface were just to painful to deal with.  My friends and I decided to give EQ2 another crack.  I have to say that we have really enjoyed all the changes SOE has made - the game plays much more like EQ1, but with the graphics of a current game.The ability to solo in EQ2 now makes it feel more like WoW than anything else, although I definitely am enjoying the lack of in game addons.  Nothing to manage, none of the quests are spelled out for you - you actually have to do *some* thinking.  In WoW there are addons that would have a big green arrow appear in your screen pointing in the direction you need to go in, how far away you were, and how long till you got there.  It was so mindnumbing to do those quests I just had to quit (among other reasons).The deciding factor with my friends and I (if we will stay or not) is how easy EQ2 is.  I for one enjoy a challenge; I want to die on new encounters.  I want to feel challenged.  I have concede that WoW has changed the market and every MMO needs to make leveling less painful.  I understand leveling in EQ2 is easy - I can deal with that.  I just hope that the 5 man dungeons and the raids are challenging.  I hate being handed things w/o even trying.  I hate everyone having the same cookie cutter gear.  I hate everyone having access to everything.  Those who play hardcore (not me) should be rewarded with seeing content that other don't get to (or at least not for a couple of expacs later).  I am fine with not seeing the content - it will give me something to work towards.---That rant might seem off topic - this will tie it together: A server merge is needed if no one on the server is getting to the end game content because of lack of players to recruit.  The casual player (me) will be happy with more people around to quest with anyway.  If the end game content is being reached by even just a few and the economy is doing ok (I don't know how to judge this) then leave everything as is.
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:23 PM   #29
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Yup yup. And, for those people out there who still don't understand the many reasons why server mergers should always be the last resort.. I went in to it in great detail in a recent article on Allakhazam.
Good article, I hadn't considered many of those points, and I have sort of and sort of not wanted a merger (as long as they merge INTO MY server of course). I would never do a paid transfer as I have 3 lvl 80s, a 72, and 2 more crafters and I'm set up to need all of them to work together for my gameplay fun. Also things like server discos and ranks are something that makes me not want to transfer, sure they do nothing for my game but I like having some ranks and they seem to get borked on moving.One thing I disagree, one week of free transfers is not nearly enough time to find a new home that will be home. How many raiders transferred to what sounded great, and was ok for a week, 2 weeks, then fell in the toilet? What if that week, someone is away and can't log in for some reason. Maybe a free month.
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I don't know what the ratio of returning players to leaving players is right now, but it sure looks like a lot more are leaving than coming back.  My guild lost another 18 people to AoC last week. That brings the total to just under in the last 3 weeks....Guk might benefit from a merger.....I know there are groups that go unfilled every night because no one can find a healer (let alone 2 needed for some instances) or a MT. SOE probably won't merge servers right now....they are trying to entice players back to the game or get new people to try it.....(without much advertising I will admit) so they don't want to send a message that their server populations are the suck.....not only would people not come back, more people might actually leave. I know some servers claim to have good populations...which is great.....but if there are some servers (like Guk) with lower than average populations, merging them might not be a bad thing...
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