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Old 02-14-2008, 03:44 PM   #31
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You dont have to worry about anything at that level, there is an overlap when you can use new bows and ammo so you dont need to worry. At level 80 were stuck at level 67. And im sick of waiting for this fix (sony has known for 6 months now). Another issue is hitbox's and raiding. They took away any chance to fight a large dragon in a small room for us. And that simply is the last straw for me. For those of you who dont understand, a large hitbox where 2m is the min range. 10-20m becomes the minrange many times being out of range for heals - buffs but still inside the AE range usually meaning death.
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My guild leader watched a ranger solo the ^^^ General in Jarsath Wastes with success. How bad can the class be?
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:50 PM   #33
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We are overpowered solo I have to admit. The ones complaining about this problem are ones that raid. Also on a side note, there are many classes soloing chelsith. Rangers are one of those classes.
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My guild leader watched a ranger solo the ^^^ General in Jarsath Wastes with success. How bad can the class be?
Even if he did, do you have a clue how much it  cost in potions, poisons, etc just to do that? Just to solo megalodon you will go through about 8-10 Cure Trauma potions + fett+ Vital Breach+ cost of arrows for a chance at a metal chest. And the last time i tried to solo the general he handed me my [Removed for Content] because of his Stun/trauma that he hits you with very often. So how did this ranger pull this off? Because his stun is a good 10 seconds and unless your at MAX range + some on the pull your gonna die before your unstunned.  ( and i solo lvl 85^^^'s for fun so i know how to solo) And rangers are not over powered in soloing, we just have the ABILITY to keep mobs very far away from us , hence the best thing we do!
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:18 PM   #35
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We are overpowered solo I have to admit. The ones complaining about this problem are ones that raid.Also on a side note, there are many classes soloing chelsith. Rangers are one of those classes.

Have to agree, to a point.  I am a member of a Guild that only occassionally raids so I largely have a solo mentality.  I KNOW I solo better (player skills being equal), because of my class, than other scouts.  I also know however that it is because I need to spend an inordinant amount of gold to do so.

I also know that other dps group better (player skills being equal)than my Ranger because of how they are designed.  Now here's my therory as to why.  Rangers were top of the parse, not only in solo but group for sometime.  All of the other DPS clases complained (forgetting about the added utility they may have or easier equipment issues etc) and the devs said okay nerf Rangers.  If you have a choice of 1 class of players complaining or 6-8 other classes whineing, which are you gonna pick.  Any other solution would actually require effort.

I am one who would be content if they just fixed arrow mechanics.  Especially since they themselves recognize the issue, I am baffled as to why it is not fixed.  Somtimes I wonder why I stopped playing City of Heroes.  Even with my nerfed Tank I never felt this frustrated on occassion. 

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You dont have to worry about anything at that level, there is an overlap when you can use new bows and ammo so you dont need to worry. At level 80 were stuck at level 67. And im sick of waiting for this fix (sony has known for 6 months now).Another issue is hitbox's and raiding. They took away any chance to fight a large dragon in a small room for us. And that simply is the last straw for me. For those of you who dont understand, a large hitbox where 2m is the min range. 10-20m becomes the minrange many times being out of range for heals - buffs but still inside the AE range usually meaning death.
Can you explain that stuff about hitbox's again?  I ask because if we can stand safely out of range of AE and deliver damage, then it makes sense for assassin's to out damage us, if they can only do damage while risking damage, while we do not. If that's not the case, and we can't do sustainable damage from a safe distance, then that's a double whammy completely separate and in addition to the bows vs. arrows and other problems.  I have hopes that the latter will be fixed before I reach 80 (since I don't plan to do that for another year or so SMILEY), but if we don't get an advantage from being at range due to how high level raid encounters are designed, then that's a problem not easily solved, and there doesn't seem to be much point being a ranger instead of assassin.
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Okay this might be a bit out of the box thinking.  But why would you start a ranger if you were concerned about arrows?  If you wanted to be a ranged dps toon than play a mage.  Also rangers had their time in the spot light let assassins have theirs too.  Eventually assassins will get quasi nerfed and all the assassins will be complaining threatening to cancel and not betray blah blah blah (very similar to what rangers are doing now).  I know, it’s a vicious circle.   Maybe the devs thought rangers needed to toughen up and from all the crying i see on this post I can see why.    So quit your crying go stock your quivers and move on either with a new toon,  a new account, or a new attitude.   Your negotiation skills are atrocious and i wouldn’t be surprised if SOE doesn’t respond to your complaints.  Also I have tried many of the games out there.  Good luck finding a game where knowing how to play a toon is important.  

 

Lastly I would say don’t betray.   Start a new toon, an assassin if you will, and if you want to make it a challenge don’t twink your toon.    Go through the grind like it was your 1st time.   You will have a lot of appreciation for your new guy

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Old 02-15-2008, 03:09 AM   #38
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Okay this might be a bit out of the box thinking.  But why would you start a ranger if you were concerned about arrows?  If you wanted to be a ranged dps toon than play a mage.  Also rangers had their time in the spot light let assassins have theirs too.  Eventually assassins will get quasi nerfed and all the assassins will be complaining threatening to cancel and not betray blah blah blah (very similar to what rangers are doing now).  I know, it’s a vicious circle.   Maybe the devs thought rangers needed to toughen up and from all the crying i see on this post I can see why.    So quit your crying go stock your quivers and move on either with a new toon,  a new account, or a new attitude.   Your negotiation skills are atrocious and i wouldn’t be surprised if SOE doesn’t respond to your complaints.  Also I have tried many of the games out there.  Good luck finding a game where knowing how to play a toon is important.  

Lastly I would say don’t betray.   Start a new toon, an assassin if you will, and if you want to make it a challenge don’t twink your toon.    Go through the grind like it was your 1st time.   You will have a lot of appreciation for your new guy

Um, that doesn't make much sense at all. 

What concern about arrows are you talking about exactly?  The problem that doesn't occur until level 80?  How could anyone have possibly known this when they made their ranger?

Are you aware that most nuker-types in MMOs are finger-wigglers who wear a dress, who crumple when breathed on or run out of mana?  So far, I haven't read a post here complaining about not being able to keep up with squishie dps, which suggests that most of us are ok with not out-damaging them as long as we don't have to run around in hospital gowns for armor.

And as an assassin, your motivation is clear for advising rangers not to betray. SMILEY

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Old 02-15-2008, 03:09 AM   #39
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Okay this might be a bit out of the box thinking.  But why would you start a ranger if you were concerned about arrows?  If you wanted to be a ranged dps toon than play a mage.  Also rangers had their time in the spot light let assassins have theirs too.  Eventually assassins will get quasi nerfed and all the assassins will be complaining threatening to cancel and not betray blah blah blah (very similar to what rangers are doing now).  I know, it’s a vicious circle.   Maybe the devs thought rangers needed to toughen up and from all the crying i see on this post I can see why.    So quit your crying go stock your quivers and move on either with a new toon,  a new account, or a new attitude.   Your negotiation skills are atrocious and i wouldn’t be surprised if SOE doesn’t respond to your complaints.  Also I have tried many of the games out there.  Good luck finding a game where knowing how to play a toon is important.  

Lastly I would say don’t betray.   Start a new toon, an assassin if you will, and if you want to make it a challenge don’t twink your toon.    Go through the grind like it was your 1st time.   You will have a lot of appreciation for your new guy

*boggles*

Negotiation skills? Crying? Have you been paying any attention? What would you say if every single weapon your assassin could equip in Kunark was worse than your T7 weapons? Every. Single. One. Including your epic. Because of a mechanic that SOE has refused to fix for years. I don't even know where to begin, that post is so ignorant.

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With regards to hitbox's..Many AE's range is greater than the room itself, or your being stuck in a crammed room with no way to hit it, or your required to stay very close to the mob due to memwhipes. Either that, or you "can" avoid the AE's but are out of range of your bards or (insert class here) buffs doing even less damage than before and being even lower on the parse..
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:26 AM   #41
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Okay this might be a bit out of the box thinking.  But why would you start a ranger if you were concerned about arrows?  If you wanted to be a ranged dps toon than play a mage.  Also rangers had their time in the spot light let assassins have theirs too.  Eventually assassins will get quasi nerfed and all the assassins will be complaining threatening to cancel and not betray blah blah blah (very similar to what rangers are doing now).  I know, it’s a vicious circle.   Maybe the devs thought rangers needed to toughen up and from all the crying i see on this post I can see why.    So quit your crying go stock your quivers and move on either with a new toon,  a new account, or a new attitude.   Your negotiation skills are atrocious and i wouldn’t be surprised if SOE doesn’t respond to your complaints.  Also I have tried many of the games out there.  Good luck finding a game where knowing how to play a toon is important.  

Lastly I would say don’t betray.   Start a new toon, an assassin if you will, and if you want to make it a challenge don’t twink your toon.    Go through the grind like it was your 1st time.   You will have a lot of appreciation for your new guy

You cant seriously mean anything you say here can you? Or do you. I notice in your sig you have Gravely - Assassin Kithicor? So maybe that has something to so with your post? I donno. Rangers havent had time in the spotlight since DoF. When KoS came out we had the exact same issues that we are having now. The only thing that made EoF any better was there were more high end bows to be had, more ways to aquire level 70 ammo, and it was easier to defeat the mobs that carried ammo summoning bows. Period. In the end of EoF classes were all balanced very well in my opinion. Im sure that there arent too many that could disagree with that.

RoK however is a whole new ballgame. Classes arent balanced. Bad ammo mechanics are proving that they are alive and well, forcing rangers back down to a level of bad DPS that we felt for most of KoS. I can tell you without a doubt that if I were to take and run my levell 47 assassin up to 80, by the time I hit 80, with treasured / legendary gear mix and adept 3s, I would most definately be outparsing my ranger. A toon which Ive been raiding on since DoF and been playing since launch. Thats not because I couldnt play one class or another, thats because the inbalance is that distinct.

Of course it doesnt hurt assassins one bit to have a dev in thier corner. Fact! At one point, rangers had a Dev that actually played a ranger. Sadly, Rothgar no longer plays a ranger. However, the fact that "ammo clamps the level of the bow" (His words not, not, mine) was something that was told to me over a year ago. That design flaw has yet to be worked out. Im still waiting. Im still wondering why, after almost a full year of being disclosed this information, that something hasnt been done to correct the problem.

So until you can come here with some facts, rather then just opening up your gapping hole in your head trying to troll for attention, I want to make the suggestion that you just go away. Its better to learn what you are talking about before you open your trap.

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Old 02-15-2008, 05:20 AM   #42
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My guild leader watched a ranger solo the ^^^ General in Jarsath Wastes with success. How bad can the class be?
AFAIK, the general was soloable when RoK came out. Alas, he has been updated.
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hehe...had to try the general just to see how fast i died... eh.didnt recover from the initial stun he did... or did, but was dead with next hit he threw SMILEYyes, i know... i suck, sniff...
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hehe...had to try the general just to see how fast i died... eh.didnt recover from the initial stun he did... or did, but was dead with next hit he threw SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />yes, i know... i suck, sniff...
You dont suck, he just cant be soloed. That stun/ Trauma is a [Removed for Content]=)
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You guys are goin to hate me for this.. Just closed my EQ2 account.. Opened up a WoW account.

Just to let you know (I have a few lvl 70 toons there) that hunters are the most used class in the world and has a tendancy of being regarded as the most immature class. I've even seen some guilds not recruit hunters just because of that.

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My guild leader watched a ranger solo the ^^^ General in Jarsath Wastes with success. How bad can the class be?
AFAIK, the general was soloable when RoK came out. Alas, he has been updated.

Yeah. When RoK released, rangers could solo the General. So could swashies and a number of other classes. A few patches back they beefed him up enormously, and now I've seen him wipe entire groups. There's no way he's soloable now. The instant you aggro him he'll hit you with a stun that lasts far longer than it takes for him to close the distance with you, and if his initial dot doesn't kill you, his melee will.

Rangers are not overpowered solo. Given enough room and the right kind of mob, we can solo very decently, but there are other classes that can do it better and with less effort.

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Yeah. When RoK released, rangers could solo the General. So could swashies and a number of other classes. A few patches back they beefed him up enormously, and now I've seen him wipe entire groups. There's no way he's soloable now. The instant you aggro him he'll hit you with a stun that lasts far longer than it takes for him to close the distance with you, and if his initial dot doesn't kill you, his melee will.

Rangers are not overpowered solo. Given enough room and the right kind of mob, we can solo very decently, but there are other classes that can do it better and with less effort.

Bah, I was just about to type exactly the same thing SMILEYThere is no way Rangers are overpowered, anyone who says otherwise has an alterior motive to [Removed for Content] Rangers...The "problem" with RoK is that any class that can use ranged attacks has a big advantage over those up close melee classes. Because the mobs hit so hard, going toe to toe is difficult. However, if you can root/stun/snare the mob and attack from out of the mob's range, then you can solo pretty much anything. They could cut Ranger's DPS by 50%, and they'd still be able to solo the mobs it would just take longer (so would any class with ranged attacks). The "problem" is not Rangers, it's poor cookie cutter mob design. The devs have "fixed" the General now and there is no way anyone can solo him...the other names though are still soloable each requireing varying degrees of skill. If they made all those heroics non-soloable then there'd be nothing for people to do apart from raid...Rangers are gimped by arrow mechanics, anyone who can't see this and admit it's a big problem really should avoid posting...or preferably just stop being a dev...Assassins FTW !SMILEY SMILEY
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You guys are goin to hate me for this.. Just closed my EQ2 account.. Opened up a WoW account.

Just to let you know (I have a few lvl 70 toons there) that hunters are the most used class in the world and has a tendancy of being regarded as the most immature class. I've even seen some guilds not recruit hunters just because of that.

But, goodluck on your path to enjoyment!

Nothing says we have to play Hunters there if something else strikes our fancy. I started out with a troll Shaman main and now my highest is a blood elf Paladin SMILEYA jaunt in WoW might be just what is needed. I was seriously considering canceling my EQ2 account as well, and after experiencing the simplicity of WoW, I craved again the challenge of EQ2. I love WoW, but it couldn't be my only game. I need the non-simplistic gameplay that EQ2 provides. But WoW is a nice foil for the times that you just get sick of the crap in EQ2.
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With regards to hitbox's..Many AE's range is greater than the room itself, or your being stuck in a crammed room with no way to hit it, or your required to stay very close to the mob due to memwhipes. Either that, or you "can" avoid the AE's but are out of range of your bards or (insert class here) buffs doing even less damage than before and being even lower on the parse..
Thanks much for info.  Those are very serious problems, far greater than the itemization issues, which are easily fixed, if they decide to do so.
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You guys are goin to hate me for this.. Just closed my EQ2 account.. Opened up a WoW account.

Just to let you know (I have a few lvl 70 toons there) that hunters are the most used class in the world and has a tendancy of being regarded as the most immature class. I've even seen some guilds not recruit hunters just because of that.

But, goodluck on your path to enjoyment!

Nothing says we have to play Hunters there if something else strikes our fancy. I started out with a troll Shaman main and now my highest is a blood elf Paladin SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15">A jaunt in WoW might be just what is needed. I was seriously considering canceling my EQ2 account as well, and after experiencing the simplicity of WoW, I craved again the challenge of EQ2. I love WoW, but it couldn't be my only game. I need the non-simplistic gameplay that EQ2 provides. But WoW is a nice foil for the times that you just get sick of the crap in EQ2.

Heh, playing WoW is the ultimate betrayal.

I played a shaman to 60, and my husband played a pally to 60, which were the max levels at the time we abandoned those characters.  These levels were made at different time periods, since we usually play together, and at the time, only Horde had shaman and only Alliance had pallies, i.e., this was a long time ago and we played WoW a lot, with each of us having 3 level 60+ characters. (We returned afer quitting for awhile, and now each has a 70, but decided game over at that point, and came back to EQ2)  Neither shaman nor pally was a stellar raid performer at that time, and their roles completely changed from what it used to be while leveling up.  Like my shaman changed from being a nice balance of buffs, dps, and healing into just being a mana battery for classes who were really good at those jobs, i.e, the specialists.

The message here is that while WoW is easy for all classes while leveling up, at the end, it was all about the Holy Trinity.  No different than other games, certainly.  But certainly, no better.  They all pretty much fall apart at the end, unless you play a Holy Trinity class, and like it.   Our second set of level 60+ characters (our first was my hunter and his pally) were part of the Holy Trinity, but I rapidly lost interest in watching the health bars of 6 groups or so at a time. My husband had a lot more fun playing mage (the dps angle of the triangle, and only had to focus on one thing), but he soon tired of raiding.  Our third set was my shaman and his druid, and the only thing of interest was that we played Horde that time - I'm really liking the fact that EQ2 doesn't draw such a sharp line between good and evil, and that your choice of sides doesn't completely isolate you from your friends who chose differently.  WoW is awful in that regard.

This thread reminded me to cancel my WoW account.  As well as reminded me that the journey is often far more interesting than the destination.  It sounds like I'll be cancelling my EQ2 account once I get to 80, but it's nice that I can turn off exp, and hence have more time to enjoy it while I can.

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 Started my rangers betrayal last night. At least this way i know i have a dev on his side.
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yep, I cancelled too, my accout expires sometime at the end of the month

but even if soe starts to address ranger issues, I'm not going to come back, they just have too big of a bad track record of screwing over there player base, and I'm just too tired to either deal with it or adapt

I pay to play the game not pay to get screwed over and over again or wait years for something to be fixed

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yep, I cancelled too, my accout expires sometime at the end of the month

but even if soe starts to address ranger issues, I'm not going to come back, they just have too big of a bad track record of screwing over there player base, and I'm just too tired to either deal with it or adapt

I pay to play the game not pay to get screwed over and over again or wait years for something to be fixed

Your message made me think to go check my sub, as well.  It expires at the end of this month.  I have almost gone a week without playing the game, and not one person in my guild has mentioned how much they miss having the only lvl 80 ranger in the guild around (though that may be because I said I would be gone for a week, not for good).  Seems like a good time to spend the next two weeks figuring out if there is another game I want to play or go get some sun (j/k).
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I began playing EQII the day it launched as a ranger. Back then, the ranger complaints were about the same as they are now. Rangers screamed for fix, but it never came. I cancelled in fall 2005 in protest. I see nothing has changed...

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I began playing EQII the day it launched as a ranger. Back then, the ranger complaints were about the same as they are now. Rangers screamed for fix, but it never came. I cancelled in fall 2005 in protest. I see nothing has changed...

Well that's just plain wrong, we were stupidly overpowered when DoF came out, our current state results directly from a badly planned arrow mechanic that once discovered cannot be put back in the box and over nerfing of abilities like Stream of Arrows.  We've just gone full circle and are thus awaiting (not in vain I sincerely hope) some sort of redress.
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What steamed me off is the complete nerfing of Amazing Shot. The whole-point- of that attack was to require no line of sight, but now to whiners, we have to have a line of sight now.And I agree with teh ranger nerfs people are pointing out, and the bugged stuff we have.It also doesn't help that the Dev in charge of our class plays an ASSASSIN.
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I honestly haven't seen 1 response from a DEV regarding the arrow mechanics issue.  Either they don't give a crap, or we are all posting in the incorrect place. 

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That is because the responses to our posts have came from an assassin who has his poison frontloaded for his responses to rangers. Rangers then become outraged and respond to him in the fashion he responds to us. After that, the post is quickly locked and removed. You have to be fast if you want to see the responses first-hand, otherwise, they tend to come from people who had them quoted prior to them disappearing.

It's actually becoming comical. Over on Eq2flames someone created a second ghost account named HATEU2. He was vehement in his responses to the ranger community saying we moan like women and we deserve to have our daddy's spank us. This new char also said things like; 'you say you hate me, well I hate you too! Thus, the name HATEU2.'. Eq2flames yanked the posts and the account, as they do not allow '2nd acct creations'. But, you can find a few of the quotes still lingering there. Most ranger's guess it that it was our friendly eq developer; but, nothing confirms it.

Although, I'm not so sure. HATEU2 also said that 'he'd guarantee that our new lvl 80 epic will hit orange con mobs more consistently than our RSB, based on the level of the bows.'. Apparantly this person doesn't realize that the BOW'S LEVEL MAKES NO DIFFERENCE; OUR HIT RATES ARE BASED ON THE LEVEL OF OUR AMMO. So, if speculation is correct and it was him, he still doesn't know our class very well.

Anyway, the only thing HATEU2 said that made sense, was: 'show me the parses, then we'll talk'. So, let's get those bows and go out and get the parses. The parses will tell it all in about a week or two. Then we can come back here and give HATEU2 the proof he needs.

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Old 02-19-2008, 12:25 AM   #59
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Wow....I really really hope that wasnt an EQ2 dev sayin that crap. Its bad enough on the stuff said under the actual named account. All this resistance, negativity and virtual shunning has really turned me off, along with the pointless nerfs like the one to amazing shot. I know our class is still very playable but the lack of acknowledgement by a reliable dev and the crap talk from one that plays an assassin makes me question why I want to play one in Norrath any longer. I rolled a Templar for a change of scenery but that isnt cutting it. I will say my Hunter in LOTRO is doing very well and will continue to get plenty of playtime and Turbine will continue to get subscriptions on mine and my wifes accounts. My 32.98 a month X2 for our accounts with Sony may not be so lucky unless we get some sort of idea of whats going on. I have been a Sony customer since 1998, I hope they dont lose me now.

I know.....like posting up here is gonna actually do any good....

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LOL.

I have every piece of my rok class gear but two (and they are the melee crit ones, not the ranged). I have the bow of trepedation. I have some best jewelry I can find.

I am struggeling to beat the Zerker on the parse, who is also decked in mostly legendary class gear with no fabelds.

My guild is too small to raid, so RSB and other fabled peices and spells are mosly out of reach atm. Raiding guilds are not recruiting rangers atm, and in any case, I like my guild so wouldnt leave anyway.

I decided to run one week on my level 79 bow, and one week on my ghosly bow of blyze.

My dps was higher on the blyze bow.

Too be fair, I still need some spell upgrades and can adorn my gear, this will help get my dps up and prolly put me ahead of the tank on the parse.

But still, the main point: my blyze bow is outperforming my 79 bow of trepedation.

Yeah, gonna rush right out and get that epic.....

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