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Old 02-12-2008, 06:03 PM   #1
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So I'm frustrated as most of us are, and I was looking over the assassin skills. How much do they differ, dps-wise, compared to rangers? We only have one in our guild and he parses high, but I don't know how well he knows his class. I'm tired of broken arrow mechanics, wasting tons of money on arrows, and now an epic bow thats just a huge [Removed for Content].So my expectation is solo'ing won't be as easy. I'll probably do as much, if not more damage. I'll be more useful on a raid. I'll have to start all over with App1 spells and will have to upgrade them all. I'll have to get used to Neriak because I flippin hate Freeport. Any other expectations I should be aware of? Perhaps I should post this in the Assassin forum, but some more protest here never hurts, and if I follow through with it, I'll be one documented case for the cause.
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Old 02-12-2008, 06:56 PM   #2
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I've stuck with my ranger for 4 years now but i'm seriously considering betraying now. Not because of the epic so much, but just a general lack of faith that the dev team has any interest in fixing the problems the class has.
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Old 02-12-2008, 07:07 PM   #3
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Don't betray.  If you are going to take a drastic step, cancel your account.Betraying only shows the scout devs that they have won.  Canceling accounts hits SOE where it hurts most -- subscription numbers and financially.I'm seriously considering this myself if things don't improve.
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Old 02-12-2008, 07:14 PM   #4
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Rodahn wrote:
Don't betray.  If you are going to take a drastic step, cancel your account.Betraying only shows the scout devs that they have won.  Canceling accounts hits SOE where it hurts most -- subscription numbers and financially.I'm seriously considering this myself if things don't improve.
QFE. Cancel dont betray. I will never betray and am basically waiting to cancel for something better. As our alot of subscribers I am betting. SOE has us b/c they are the only game on the market. Once I move on from eq2 I will never buy another SOE game again and will tell everyone I know to never buy one either. Not sure if it will help, but [Removed for Content] it feels good to bad mouth SOE every chance I get.
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Old 02-12-2008, 07:49 PM   #5
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I hear that, but I still like the game. So anyway, about my question. Am I missing anything as far as the implications for me if I betray?
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A-men....i feel the same way. Could not agree more...Cancel don't betray...This should be our new motto.
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Old 02-12-2008, 08:37 PM   #7
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A-men....i feel the same way. Could not agree more...Cancel don't betray...This should be our new motto.
Hehe, I like it, kinda catchy SMILEYActually I've not renewed this month, so as of tomorrow morning I'm joining the ranks of ex-EQ2 Rangers.And yes, of course you can have my stuff....But as I'm a Ranger, why on Norrath would you want it ?
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Old 02-12-2008, 10:48 PM   #8
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Kage848 wrote:
A-men....i feel the same way. Could not agree more...Cancel don't betray...This should be our new motto.
Everybody should add that to there sigs imo.
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:31 AM   #9
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Account canceled. SOE has until the end of June to get their act together.

Aeralik, get a frigging clue. How the heck did an Assassin get to hold sway over Rangers anyway?

SOE, do yourself a favor and get a dedicated developer who actually understands Rangers. You have 2 1/2 months. I purchase my subscriptions 1 year at a time. I don't like the way my class is being treated and I am telling you in the clearest way possible. With my wallet.

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Old 02-13-2008, 02:18 AM   #10
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Dirty Jack Rackham wrote:

Account canceled. SOE has until the end of June to get their act together.

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Old 02-13-2008, 10:41 AM   #11
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You guys must have never worked with dev's before. They never fix a D%^%$#^ thing. They only point at what new things they have done like an epic weapon. And someone says what about arrows, and the dev goes but look at all the new procs on the epic. Never going back to fix there work. . The only way to get a dev to fix a thing is basically get the guy that can fired is dumb A%#^%# and like some little kid that is being punished he will fix it while mumbling under his breath. So canceling and betraying your account will do no good. I have been a ranger for a very long time. I have made the best of it. I remember when alot of classes were over power in dps. But with PvP it all changed more then likely thats why the epic don't have 0-40 meters anymore.
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:13 PM   #12
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If it wasn't for the fact that I truly enjoy hanging with my current set of guildies, I would probably betray. I love playing my ranger, but I'm also very frustrated and feel a little like I'm sinking time, energy, and money into a losing cuase.

So, I'll probably just make him a full time harverster and bring him out to pvp every now as I level another toon.

This really is a great game, and after having tried some of the others, EQ2 has the best over all game experience - no question about it.

My ranger is my main and first toon I rolled, and tbh, had I been informed about how the class is actually playing, I would have passed on it.  You know, its not even the time investment that really bothers me. Its the fact that this dude is expensive as hell to maintain, the money I have spent on poisons and arrows alone could have funded an alt's gear to level 80. Spending a ton of resources on a gimped class is not fun, and 6-8 months ago, if i had known what the ranger was going to look like at this point, I would have stopped playing him.

Perhaps since Gnorblin confirmed there are no plans to nerf nuke casters, I'll go that way.

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Old 02-13-2008, 01:59 PM   #13
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i guess i just really dont see the problem with rangers... ya.. there is a gap in the arrows, and some other scouts can dps higher.. but i know there are some rangers that can dps higher then most other scouts.. dont think its a reason to quit the game. lvl a different char.. go wizard if you are upset about the dps in a ranger...
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Old 02-13-2008, 02:15 PM   #14
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i guess i just really dont see the problem with rangers... ya.. there is a gap in the arrows, and some other scouts can dps higher.. but i know there are some rangers that can dps higher then most other scouts.. dont think its a reason to quit the game. lvl a different char.. go wizard if you are upset about the dps in a ranger...
Great I am glad you like your ranger and like doing sub-par DPS with the other melee scouts. But please do not muddy the water. Whether you care about the arrow mechanics or not - IT IS A PROBLEM. Do you not think that a t7 bow doing more damage that a t8 bow is a problem. Oh, and parsing the same as the rogues is not good enough. Rogues win in bring way more utility to the table. So you should be sad that you are parsing the same as swashies/brigs not rejoicing that you are doing sub-par DPS with nothing else to bring to the table.Hell, we all like our rangers. But please do not sweep the problem under the rug. It seems like Aerlick ignores all the posts about us having problems and quotes posts like yours and says "Hey look random X ranger says you are ok, so you are"
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Old 02-13-2008, 02:19 PM   #15
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Im waiting for starcraft 2 to come out before I leave. Thats where my real passion lies. I play this game for fair competition in raiding. Thats gone out the tubes so, so long.
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Old 02-13-2008, 03:15 PM   #16
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By most other scouts you mean Dirge and Troube's? If other scouts are speced right they crank massive dps. Rangers do 2 things. Disarm and DPS.. Guess which one I am really good at.
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Old 02-13-2008, 04:42 PM   #17
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Im sticking with my ranger....

Why?

1. Just bought a rigid scale bow

2. My ranger used to be my alt (main was pally) and hence has not done dragon language quest...so if i betray I have to do the most frustrating quest of all time to be able to finish the assassin epic... but if they removed that part of the quest I'd be in freeport/neriak by now...

3. Pally epic is even worse then the ranger one..wait..let me rephrase that...the pally epic is a freaking joke of a weapon...

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Old 02-13-2008, 10:12 PM   #18
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I made a halfling Assassin and moved him to Gorowyn. Got in some RoV group's around 30 and I was putting out over 300dps vs everone's 100dps normal. Now i'm not going to betray my ranger as it's just as easy to level a new class and get to know it. Also I mean I can out solo any other class with my ranger. I been soloing Chelisth and Sebilis(Iksar's in the maze part) to me a little bit less dps is fine I kite. I can take my time and get the mob dead while other classes need a full group on a lot of thing's.

To me the ranger class is fine. We are not ment to be number 1 in dps it seem's but I could careless. If you want dps that bad make/betray an assassin.

BTW! Gorowyn quest have you going to EoF at 20 in case you dont like freeport/nek like me lol

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You guys are goin to hate me for this.. Just closed my EQ2 account.. Opened up a WoW account. I am tired of being the only class with these kinds of hinderances without being properly justified. (arrow damage and hitbox being the main ones). Atleast in WoW the hunter may be a competitor for the top, but theres also things like pets - fd - group buffs etc. Things to justify the direction they are in. I have always taken sonys side on decisions they have made because I saw reason in "most" of them. But hitbox's were something that were changed back before there werent ANY expansions, I dont see the need to bring them back. Secondly its been 6 months now for sony to fix this problem. My patience is gone with them.
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You guys are goin to hate me for this.. Just closed my EQ2 account.. Opened up a WoW account.I am tired of being the only class with these kinds of hinderances without being properly justified. (arrow damage and hitbox being the main ones).Atleast in WoW the hunter may be a competitor for the top, but theres also things like pets - fd - group buffs etc. Things to justify the direction they are in.I have always taken sonys side on decisions they have made because I saw reason in "most" of them. But hitbox's were something that were changed back before there werent ANY expansions, I dont see the need to bring them back. Secondly its been 6 months now for sony to fix this problem. My patience is gone with them.

Have fun in WoW.  Got my hunter to 70, game over.  My WoW guild won't accept any more hunters - while hunter is a nice class, there's a huge surplus of them.  I'm sure they'd let my hunter tag along, even though completely unnecessary.  But I wouldn't feel happy with that, especially knowing that my priest would be a lot more useful. 

Go mage instead (dps, crowd control AND group teleports).  Plus they summon milk and cookies!

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Thanks for the headsup, I think i'll do that. Whats your opinions of warlocks though? Or rouges.
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This thread depresses me.  I'm having a lot of fun with my EQ2 ranger, and so far, I think it's a lot more interesting class to play than a WoW hunter.

But I'm only 44, and keenly aware that good performance at mid-level doesn't necessarily equate to good performance at high levels, so I hope they fix whatever is wrong with the ranger class at high levels.

But if not, I will certainly do as others have suggested - I'll cancel my EQ2 account (which I've already done at least twice before when another game appealed to me more, so I won't hesitate at all if something else arises that interests me SMILEY

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Thanks for the headsup, I think i'll do that.Whats your opinions of warlocks though? Or rouges.

Both are nice classes, too.  As the hunter is for that matter (their main problem is that there are too many.  I do like the EQ2 ranger much better, even so).  Warlocks are very versatile, and probably a lot easier to solo than a mage (Edited note - All classes are easy to solo in WoW compared to EQ2, even healers. WoW is a lot easier than EQ2 for all classes, but I got bored, and hence am why I'm playing EQ2 instead).  They can be awesome if played well, but are so versatile, it can be hard for them to choose what's best.

If rogue style appeals to you, I'd suggest trying a druid as a first class - druids can specialize in rogue type abilities, but yet can respec into healing if that turns out more useful.  I'm really not sure about real rogues - the raids I've been on had some nasty AoE's, but my raiding experience was pre-expansion, which was pretty much made obsolete with the expansion that raised the level cap to 70.  Pre-expansion purples were upgraded by post-expansion greens and blues. (EQ2 equivalent might be "Fabled were made obsolete by Treasured"SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15"&gtSMILEY

The holy trinity is priest, warrior, mage, if that helps, and mage is the dps, plus lots of nice utility.

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I was surprised at the response he got when he re-posted this in the assassin's forums. The majority of responses came from former rangers that have already betrayed and are loving being assassins. It's getting more and more tempting the longer we go without any official responses that aren't dripping with sarcasm.
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I just wana say that i'm not sweeping anything under the rug and not saying there isnt a problem.. yes we should have arrows at least the same lvl/tier as the bow.. only makes sence... But ive been browsing the forums for a few months while lvling my ranger seeing what everbody thought of the class and such.. And it seems most hate it mainly cuz they are out DPSed by other scout classes.. so the answer is to betray, start a new char, or give in and quit.. If you like the game, dont quit.. thats just silly... but now you start a new scout class or betray.. And one day... just saying,, one day, they fix the ranger and now the ranger out dps all other scout classes and oh no.. you guys arent happy cuz your calls you are in now only sub parses... Hmmm... No matter what happens, if that class isnt the best class out there, people are going to compain, plain and simple.  And I may not be 80 yet so again, I yet have to see problems..

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I just wana say that i'm not sweeping anything under the rug and not saying there isnt a problem.. yes we should have arrows at least the same lvl/tier as the bow.. only makes sence... But ive been browsing the forums for a few months while lvling my ranger seeing what everbody thought of the class and such.. And it seems most hate it mainly cuz they are out DPSed by other scout classes.. so the answer is to betray, start a new char, or give in and quit.. If you like the game, dont quit.. thats just silly... but now you start a new scout class or betray.. And one day... just saying,, one day, they fix the ranger and now the ranger out dps all other scout classes and oh no.. you guys arent happy cuz your calls you are in now only sub parses... Hmmm... No matter what happens, if that class isnt the best class out there, people are going to compain, plain and simple.  And I may not be 80 yet so again, I yet have to see problems..

O.k. guys.. Bring on the Flame... I know its coming.

first off lvl your ranger to 80 then see what the big problem with arrows are. Yea it makes tons of sense that a lvl 70 bow out dmges every bow in the game minus 1 which is such a minimal upgrade for whats involved.  Not to mention Procs and spell effects that Dont work as intended. go Raid orange mobs and see what your hit rate is on said mobs. THATS THE FREAKIN PROBLEM! Its post like yours that give the devs the "Idea" Rangers are fine, We arent [Removed for Content] about being on top of every freakin parse. We are [Removed for Content] at the fact that we continue to take the SHAFT because we have a Dev who has no [Removed for Content] clue how to play a ranger, and a broken mechanic in a game no matter WHAT needs to be fixed not just over looked. /Rant off
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:25 PM   #27
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I just wana say that i'm not sweeping anything under the rug and not saying there isnt a problem.. yes we should have arrows at least the same lvl/tier as the bow.. only makes sence... But ive been browsing the forums for a few months while lvling my ranger seeing what everbody thought of the class and such.. And it seems most hate it mainly cuz they are out DPSed by other scout classes.. so the answer is to betray, start a new char, or give in and quit.. If you like the game, dont quit.. thats just silly... but now you start a new scout class or betray.. And one day... just saying,, one day, they fix the ranger and now the ranger out dps all other scout classes and oh no.. you guys arent happy cuz your calls you are in now only sub parses... Hmmm... No matter what happens, if that class isnt the best class out there, people are going to compain, plain and simple.  And I may not be 80 yet so again, I yet have to see problems..

O.k. guys.. Bring on the Flame... I know its coming.

Your also forgetting about that fact that other than dps, a ranger has no other group utility function. So not only is the class gimped in terms of its class defining abilities, but its also becomming increasingly less demanded for raids becuase other classes can bring more utility and higher dps.

This is an issue for both pve and pvp. For pve, the issue is obvious and my heart goes out to raiding rangers. For pvp, the issue is more indirect as it affects a rangers ability to acquire the fabled gear they need to compete against the best players (of course there are the pvp writs........different thread, different problem....)

So yes, the ranger issues are a signifcant problem to end-game rangers.

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Old 02-14-2008, 01:45 PM   #28
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There are a total of about 46400 level 21-80 rangers worldwide (I do not count any char below level 21). Of these only 3300 are level 71-80. These are the ONLY rangers effected by the current lack of a level 80 arrow. All other rangers (93%) do not see this issue and are totaly uneffected by it. Of the 3300 T8 rangers only 1300 of them are level 80 and therefore the most effected by this and the other issues mentioned here and in other posts. So yes, the vast majority of Rangers are working just fine. They have level appropriate arrows for their bows. Each CA is being upgraded appropriately every 14 levels. However for the 1300 of us that have reached level 80 we don't have the correct arrow so we are still using the same bow as a year ago dispite 20 new bows that should be better. We have three CAs that did not get upgraded. And the Adept 3 versions of our upgrade CAs are NOT better than our previous Master 1s. In order to get a + Ranged Double Attack item we have to give up our most basic stat strength. The list goes on and on. There are 1300 of us wondering why we left adventure experience turned on. If this is the reward for getting to level 80 we are wondering if we should have just stayed level 70. We feel left behind by almost every other class, especialy our fellow scouts and especialy our fellow preditor the assassin. That is why many of us are considering either starting another character or leaving the game altogether. It was a great ride for the first 70 levels. But these last 10 have been very unsatifying. broken mechanics, lousy rewards, lack of interest in us by SOE and now by other players. Put simply, it is no longer anywhere near as much fun as it once was and this is very disappointing, because we were looking forward to the top of the game, but we cannot enjoy it this way.

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I made a halfling Assassin and moved him to Gorowyn. Got in some RoV group's around 30 and I was putting out over 300dps vs everone's 100dps normal. Now i'm not going to betray my ranger as it's just as easy to level a new class and get to know it. Also I mean I can out solo any other class with my ranger. I been soloing Chelisth and Sebilis(Iksar's in the maze part) to me a little bit less dps is fine I kite. I can take my time and get the mob dead while other classes need a full group on a lot of thing's.

To me the ranger class is fine. We are not ment to be number 1 in dps it seem's but I could careless. If you want dps that bad make/betray an assassin.

BTW! Gorowyn quest have you going to EoF at 20 in case you dont like freeport/nek like me lol

It's obvious you have no idea what's involved in playing a Ranger nor how the broken bow and arrow mechanics affect us. We have no other function than DPS, so why wouldn't we be closer to an assassin.
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[email protected] Bayle wrote:
StarManWild wrote:

I made a halfling Assassin and moved him to Gorowyn. Got in some RoV group's around 30 and I was putting out over 300dps vs everone's 100dps normal. Now i'm not going to betray my ranger as it's just as easy to level a new class and get to know it. Also I mean I can out solo any other class with my ranger. I been soloing Chelisth and Sebilis(Iksar's in the maze part) to me a little bit less dps is fine I kite. I can take my time and get the mob dead while other classes need a full group on a lot of thing's.

To me the ranger class is fine. We are not ment to be number 1 in dps it seem's but I could careless. If you want dps that bad make/betray an assassin.

BTW! Gorowyn quest have you going to EoF at 20 in case you dont like freeport/nek like me lol

It's obvious you have no idea what's involved in playing a Ranger nor how the broken bow and arrow mechanics affect us. We have no other function than DPS, so why wouldn't we be closer to an assassin.
This is really starting to show who knows what and how to play a ranger. Our number 1 role IS DPS, what else can you do on your ranger? Pathfinding/disarm trap wooooo.  I out parse assasins all the time , thats not whats being called to attention. Stop making this a who has the bigger stick contest, and fix the [Removed for Content] issues at hand. Stop making stupid post about how we are fine, your just proving to everyone else you have no clue whats going on.  There are a plethora of problems with this class,  Its not just arrow mechanics, although that is what is hurting us the most ATM. You can solo mobs in chelsith and seb wow grats on being able to do something your class is already AWESOME at.
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