Runes of Mending/Blasting.

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 12:21 AM

ITEMS

Runes of Blasting and Mending will no longer be affected by stats.

Please make this a PVP Change only, this is an item I use in pve for soloing and it will greatly effect gameplay if the change hits live.

alaplayer · 07-13-2012, 12:44 AM

Well on one hand they never should have worked like that to begin with, OTOH they should not have allowed it to stay like it was as long as they did.

They should at a minimum replace all of those adorns with the materials required to make them and let people choose.

TBQH I really couldn't care less, but I for the life of me do not understand why hey are doing garbage like this, taunting the playerbase. I don't even know how many years they knowingly let this go on and now it is more important than other far more egregious itemization issues.

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 12:47 AM

alaplayer wrote:

Well on one hand they never should have worked like that to begin with, OTOH they should not have allowed it to stay like it was as long as they did.
They should at a minimum replace all of those adorns with the materials required to make them and let people choose.
TBQH I really couldn't care less, but I for the life of me do not understand why hey are doing garbage like this, taunting the playerbase. I don't even know how many years they knowingly let this go on and now it is more important than other far more egregious itemization issues.

Um... its been that way for years and no they should not refund it, they should double the procs healing/damage.

This helps me solo TSO dungeons, Shard of Hate (some bosses.) and alot of other things, this will greatly effect my gameplay and soloability especially as a tank that revolves around autoattack, this will also decrease survivability to classes in raids.

alaplayer · 07-13-2012, 01:04 AM

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

Um... its been that way for years and no they should not refund it, they should double the procs healing/damage.

Then they can replace them with the 6/3/2/1 it took to make them and you can have yours made again if you choose.

Doubling the healing procs/damage that they do won't even touch what they do now, of course that would be better than nothing, though it would have minimal impact on end game raid survivability.

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 01:17 AM

This greatly effects gameplay though. (raid/solo/heroic) for alot of players.

PLEASE DON'T LET PVP CHANGES BLEED INTO PVE.

Beko · 07-13-2012, 02:05 AM

Please do not change these items...

Darkmantis · 07-13-2012, 02:23 AM

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

This greatly effects gameplay though. (raid/solo/heroic) for alot of players.
PLEASE DON'T LET PVP CHANGES BLEED INTO PVE.

They were broken in PVE as well as PVP *edited*.Use a merc problem solved.Thats like saying all heal procs(or procs in general) should crit again so a class can solo XY&Z zones....

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 02:26 AM

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] Bayle wrote:
This greatly effects gameplay though. (raid/solo/heroic) for alot of players.
PLEASE DON'T LET PVP CHANGES BLEED INTO PVE.
They were broken in PVE as well as PVP *edit*.Use a merc problem solved.Thats like saying all heal procs(or procs in general) should crit again so a class can solo XY&Z zones....

Lol... so they've been "broken" for about 3 years huh?

The_Cheeseman · 07-13-2012, 02:32 AM

Honestly, I can't believe they lasted this long. I'm just glad I've been maintaining my stockpile of ward proc gear, so I'll still be able to farm epics after this nerf.

Really, this single change will have more of an effect on fighter quality of life than the rest of the update combined.

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 03:03 AM

This kind of completely ruins everything for me :/...

PvP ruining PvE strikes again.

Sigmaz01 · 07-13-2012, 04:08 AM

well this sucks.

Beko · 07-13-2012, 04:10 AM

Sigmaz01 wrote:

well this sucks.

It doesn't critical either, it went from being 12k on live to 1200 on test... LOL... Well I SEE ALOT OF DEAD SCOUTS IN RAIDS NOW.

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 04:18 AM

Corydonn wrote:

WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINEEEEE
Just from the reaction of the players and seeing what players are posting. This nerf is justified.

This effects alot more people then you realise, and the thing no longer criticals either.

It went from being a 12k healing ability to a 1200 (worthless.) this isn't right at all because several people USED these to stay alive in soloing/grouping/raiding ALL styles of content, changing it now is UNJUSTIFIED and unreasonable, THIS IS worse then removing the 1200 Physical Mitigation.

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 04:27 AM

This change is unjustified, change it in pvp only.

Beko · 07-13-2012, 04:34 AM

Make it a percent based heal, 25% for Superior Rune of Mending (90), 20% for Superior Rune of Mending (80).

In PvP, make it a 10% Heal (90) and a 7% Heal (80). FIXED.

Boli32 · 07-13-2012, 05:10 AM

Perhaps you should be looking at the issue as "ahh well they finally caught me CHEATING" instead of requesting it to be changed back.

The fact no other adorns crits but the fabled version did but no-one wanted to submit it as a /bug report says it was a long overdue change. Its not going "OMG completly break the game"; people move on and find the best plat/time; just be glad you got the most out of it now.

The Adorn was never meant to be the be and end all adorn for soloing, where it was FAR suprior to any self healing ability - it just ended up like that as a hang-up from the times when adorns/procs crit.

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 05:11 AM

[email protected] wrote:

Perhaps you should be looking at the issue as "ahh well they finally caught me CHEATING" instead of requesting it to be changed back.
The fact no other adorns crits but the fabled version did but no-one wanted to submit it as a /bug report says it was a long overdue change. Its not going "OMG completly break the game"; people move on and find the best plat/time; just be glad you got the most out of it now.
The Adorn was never meant to be the be and end all adorn for soloing, where it was FAR suprior to any self healing ability - it just ended up like that as a hang-up from the times when adorns/procs crit.

Cheating? they have known about it for years, they changed blasting to not critical 2 years ago, THEY knew mending criticalled.

Boli32 · 07-13-2012, 05:14 AM

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
Perhaps you should be looking at the issue as "ahh well they finally caught me CHEATING" instead of requesting it to be changed back.
The fact no other adorns crits but the fabled version did but no-one wanted to submit it as a /bug report says it was a long overdue change. Its not going "OMG completly break the game"; people move on and find the best plat/time; just be glad you got the most out of it now.
The Adorn was never meant to be the be and end all adorn for soloing, where it was FAR suprior to any self healing ability - it just ended up like that as a hang-up from the times when adorns/procs crit.
Cheating? they have known about it for years, they changed blasting to not critical 2 years ago, THEY knew mending criticalled.

If you find an exploit, and use it, and do not report it; it is cheating.

Beko · 07-13-2012, 05:14 AM

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] Bayle wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
Perhaps you should be looking at the issue as "ahh well they finally caught me CHEATING" instead of requesting it to be changed back.
The fact no other adorns crits but the fabled version did but no-one wanted to submit it as a /bug report says it was a long overdue change. Its not going "OMG completly break the game"; people move on and find the best plat/time; just be glad you got the most out of it now.
The Adorn was never meant to be the be and end all adorn for soloing, where it was FAR suprior to any self healing ability - it just ended up like that as a hang-up from the times when adorns/procs crit.
Cheating? they have known about it for years, they changed blasting to not critical 2 years ago, THEY knew mending criticalled.
If you find an exploit, and use it, and do not report it; it is cheating.

What was the exploit?

Garnaf · 07-13-2012, 05:36 AM

Based on the posts above me, that they exist at all apparently.

I'm of the "Doesn't affect me, I don't care" camp. But as these were the ONLY procs provided by an item that were affect by stats, I have to say I'm surprised it wasn't changed SOONER. The fact of the matter is that any player with half a brain had to know this change would be coming down the pipe eventually.

Now it's time to man up and find some other way to solo Shard of Hate or whatever else you were using these for. May I suggest a Merc? The Inquisitor does an excelent job at both healing and curing. Well, ok, an acceptable job of healing, but it's boss at cures.

Again, never used them, doesn't affect me, but I'm an SK, I self heal better than any other fighter. (except MAYBE paladins, that's debatable, my heals are a side effect of DPS, Paladins have to stop doing one to do the other)

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 05:38 AM

[email protected] wrote:

Based on the posts above me, that they exist at all apparently.
I'm of the "Doesn't affect me, I don't care" camp. But as these were the ONLY procs provided by an item that were affect by stats, I have to say I'm surprised it wasn't changed SOONER. The fact of the matter is that any player with half a brain had to know this change would be coming down the pipe eventually.
Now it's time to man up and find some other way to solo Shard of Hate or whatever else you were using these for. May I suggest a Merc? The Inquisitor does an excelent job at both healing and curing. Well, ok, an acceptable job of healing, but it's boss at cures.
Again, never used them, doesn't affect me, but I'm an SK, I self heal better than any other fighter. (except MAYBE paladins, that's debatable, my heals are a side effect of DPS, Paladins have to stop doing one to do the other)

They havent been messed with in years... why now?

I say change them to being percent based instead, and then nerf the percent in PVP combat.

Garnaf · 07-13-2012, 06:14 AM

Because they decided to make YOUR life specifically just a little bit harder? I dunno, whenever there's a change I dislike I find it comforting to think that it's because SOE decided *I* specifically was too boss and that everyone else is collateral damage. It's never true mind you, but its comforting.

More likely its just that someone finally noticed "oh, hey, these are still running on legacy code and it's TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO on my "To Do" list. Maybe I should, ya know, fix that." Wish I knew what to say to appease you, but based on the sheer AMOUNT of complaining you do on these forums I'm gonna go with this old gem. If you don't like the changes, you don't have to keep playing.

Irgun · 07-13-2012, 09:28 AM

Drop Mending runes -> get more critbonus -> more overall damage -> target dies faster -> shorter fight -> less hits incoming -> less heal needed /win

The_Cheeseman · 07-13-2012, 09:51 AM

[email protected] wrote:

Drop Mending runes -> get more critbonus -> more overall damage -> target dies faster -> shorter fight -> less hits incoming -> less heal needed /win

While 6% crit bonus is nice, it's not really in the same league as ~2k incoming HPS.

kalaria · 07-13-2012, 11:02 AM

These should of been changed AGES ago.

Ps.Gotta love Tuor swapping accounts to have discussions with himself! heh.

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 11:34 AM

I love the loss of 12k HPS and 12k Threat per second! WEE!!!!

I hope I get something to compensate for it! (lulzno! Blood Rage is the weakest heal in the game still!)

I can't wait for everyone who doesn't read the forum log in to this trash, and I also can't wait to see everyone dieing to recklessness because they can't heal fast enough.

Talathion · 07-13-2012, 11:54 AM

The Loss of HPS/Threat will be devastating for my class, since most everyone I know uses it... grats on PvP nerfs.

Yimway · 07-13-2012, 12:28 PM

This is a long overdue fix and about time really.

Beko · 07-13-2012, 12:31 PM

[email protected] wrote:

This is a long overdue fix and about time really.

LOL...

The upgrades to healing abilities DO NOT make up for this...

Also, some classes are terrible now because of this change.

Lets Nerf Casual Players/Soloers/HM Heroic Players/EM Raiders...

Kapath · 07-13-2012, 12:45 PM

DO NOT PUT THIS IN UPDATE!!!!!!!!!

07-13-2012, 12:47 AM	#3
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	alaplayer wrote: Well on one hand they never should have worked like that to begin with, OTOH they should not have allowed it to stay like it was as long as they did. They should at a minimum replace all of those adorns with the materials required to make them and let people choose. TBQH I really couldn't care less, but I for the life of me do not understand why hey are doing garbage like this, taunting the playerbase. I don't even know how many years they knowingly let this go on and now it is more important than other far more egregious itemization issues. Um... its been that way for years and no they should not refund it, they should double the procs healing/damage. This helps me solo TSO dungeons, Shard of Hate (some bosses.) and alot of other things, this will greatly effect my gameplay and soloability especially as a tank that revolves around autoattack, this will also decrease survivability to classes in raids.

07-13-2012, 01:04 AM	#4
alaplayer Elder Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 173	[email protected] Bayle wrote: Um... its been that way for years and no they should not refund it, they should double the procs healing/damage. Then they can replace them with the 6/3/2/1 it took to make them and you can have yours made again if you choose. Doubling the healing procs/damage that they do won't even touch what they do now, of course that would be better than nothing, though it would have minimal impact on end game raid survivability.

07-13-2012, 02:23 AM	#7
Darkmantis Server: Nagafen Guild: Replaced Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 68	[email protected] Bayle wrote: This greatly effects gameplay though. (raid/solo/heroic) for alot of players. PLEASE DON'T LET PVP CHANGES BLEED INTO PVE. They were broken in PVE as well as PVP edited.Use a merc problem solved.Thats like saying all heal procs(or procs in general) should crit again so a class can solo XY&Z zones....

07-13-2012, 02:26 AM	#8
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	[email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: This greatly effects gameplay though. (raid/solo/heroic) for alot of players. PLEASE DON'T LET PVP CHANGES BLEED INTO PVE. They were broken in PVE as well as PVP edit.Use a merc problem solved.Thats like saying all heal procs(or procs in general) should crit again so a class can solo XY&Z zones.... Lol... so they've been "broken" for about 3 years huh?

07-13-2012, 02:32 AM	#9
The_Cheeseman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,285	Honestly, I can't believe they lasted this long. I'm just glad I've been maintaining my stockpile of ward proc gear, so I'll still be able to farm epics after this nerf. Really, this single change will have more of an effect on fighter quality of life than the rest of the update combined. __________________

07-13-2012, 12:21 AM	#1
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	ITEMS Runes of Blasting and Mending will no longer be affected by stats. Please make this a PVP Change only, this is an item I use in pve for soloing and it will greatly effect gameplay if the change hits live.

07-13-2012, 12:44 AM	#2
alaplayer Elder Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 173	Well on one hand they never should have worked like that to begin with, OTOH they should not have allowed it to stay like it was as long as they did. They should at a minimum replace all of those adorns with the materials required to make them and let people choose. TBQH I really couldn't care less, but I for the life of me do not understand why hey are doing garbage like this, taunting the playerbase. I don't even know how many years they knowingly let this go on and now it is more important than other far more egregious itemization issues.

07-13-2012, 01:17 AM	#5
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	This greatly effects gameplay though. (raid/solo/heroic) for alot of players. PLEASE DON'T LET PVP CHANGES BLEED INTO PVE.

07-13-2012, 02:05 AM	#6
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	Please do not change these items...

07-13-2012, 03:03 AM	#10
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	This kind of completely ruins everything for me :/... PvP ruining PvE strikes again.

07-13-2012, 04:08 AM	#11
Sigmaz01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 102	well this sucks.

07-13-2012, 04:10 AM	#12
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	Sigmaz01 wrote: well this sucks. It doesn't critical either, it went from being 12k on live to 1200 on test... LOL... Well I SEE ALOT OF DEAD SCOUTS IN RAIDS NOW.

07-13-2012, 04:18 AM	#13
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Corydonn wrote: WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINEEEEE Just from the reaction of the players and seeing what players are posting. This nerf is justified. This effects alot more people then you realise, and the thing no longer criticals either. It went from being a 12k healing ability to a 1200 (worthless.) this isn't right at all because several people USED these to stay alive in soloing/grouping/raiding ALL styles of content, changing it now is UNJUSTIFIED and unreasonable, THIS IS worse then removing the 1200 Physical Mitigation.

07-13-2012, 04:27 AM	#14
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	This change is unjustified, change it in pvp only.

07-13-2012, 04:34 AM	#15
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	Make it a percent based heal, 25% for Superior Rune of Mending (90), 20% for Superior Rune of Mending (80). In PvP, make it a 10% Heal (90) and a 7% Heal (80). FIXED.

07-13-2012, 05:10 AM	#16
Boli32 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,425	Perhaps you should be looking at the issue as "ahh well they finally caught me CHEATING" instead of requesting it to be changed back. The fact no other adorns crits but the fabled version did but no-one wanted to submit it as a /bug report says it was a long overdue change. Its not going "OMG completly break the game"; people move on and find the best plat/time; just be glad you got the most out of it now. The Adorn was never meant to be the be and end all adorn for soloing, where it was FAR suprior to any self healing ability - it just ended up like that as a hang-up from the times when adorns/procs crit.

07-13-2012, 05:11 AM	#17
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	[email protected] wrote: Perhaps you should be looking at the issue as "ahh well they finally caught me CHEATING" instead of requesting it to be changed back. The fact no other adorns crits but the fabled version did but no-one wanted to submit it as a /bug report says it was a long overdue change. Its not going "OMG completly break the game"; people move on and find the best plat/time; just be glad you got the most out of it now. The Adorn was never meant to be the be and end all adorn for soloing, where it was FAR suprior to any self healing ability - it just ended up like that as a hang-up from the times when adorns/procs crit. Cheating? they have known about it for years, they changed blasting to not critical 2 years ago, THEY knew mending criticalled.

07-13-2012, 05:14 AM	#18
Boli32 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,425	[email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: Perhaps you should be looking at the issue as "ahh well they finally caught me CHEATING" instead of requesting it to be changed back. The fact no other adorns crits but the fabled version did but no-one wanted to submit it as a /bug report says it was a long overdue change. Its not going "OMG completly break the game"; people move on and find the best plat/time; just be glad you got the most out of it now. The Adorn was never meant to be the be and end all adorn for soloing, where it was FAR suprior to any self healing ability - it just ended up like that as a hang-up from the times when adorns/procs crit. Cheating? they have known about it for years, they changed blasting to not critical 2 years ago, THEY knew mending criticalled. If you find an exploit, and use it, and do not report it; it is cheating.

07-13-2012, 05:36 AM	#20
Garnaf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 431	Based on the posts above me, that they exist at all apparently. I'm of the "Doesn't affect me, I don't care" camp. But as these were the ONLY procs provided by an item that were affect by stats, I have to say I'm surprised it wasn't changed SOONER. The fact of the matter is that any player with half a brain had to know this change would be coming down the pipe eventually. Now it's time to man up and find some other way to solo Shard of Hate or whatever else you were using these for. May I suggest a Merc? The Inquisitor does an excelent job at both healing and curing. Well, ok, an acceptable job of healing, but it's boss at cures. Again, never used them, doesn't affect me, but I'm an SK, I self heal better than any other fighter. (except MAYBE paladins, that's debatable, my heals are a side effect of DPS, Paladins have to stop doing one to do the other)

07-13-2012, 05:38 AM	#21
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	[email protected] wrote: Based on the posts above me, that they exist at all apparently. I'm of the "Doesn't affect me, I don't care" camp. But as these were the ONLY procs provided by an item that were affect by stats, I have to say I'm surprised it wasn't changed SOONER. The fact of the matter is that any player with half a brain had to know this change would be coming down the pipe eventually. Now it's time to man up and find some other way to solo Shard of Hate or whatever else you were using these for. May I suggest a Merc? The Inquisitor does an excelent job at both healing and curing. Well, ok, an acceptable job of healing, but it's boss at cures. Again, never used them, doesn't affect me, but I'm an SK, I self heal better than any other fighter. (except MAYBE paladins, that's debatable, my heals are a side effect of DPS, Paladins have to stop doing one to do the other) They havent been messed with in years... why now? I say change them to being percent based instead, and then nerf the percent in PVP combat.

07-13-2012, 06:14 AM	#22
Garnaf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 431	Because they decided to make YOUR life specifically just a little bit harder? I dunno, whenever there's a change I dislike I find it comforting to think that it's because SOE decided I specifically was too boss and that everyone else is collateral damage. It's never true mind you, but its comforting. More likely its just that someone finally noticed "oh, hey, these are still running on legacy code and it's TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO on my "To Do" list. Maybe I should, ya know, fix that." Wish I knew what to say to appease you, but based on the sheer AMOUNT of complaining you do on these forums I'm gonna go with this old gem. If you don't like the changes, you don't have to keep playing.

07-13-2012, 09:28 AM	#23
Irgun Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 318	Drop Mending runes -> get more critbonus -> more overall damage -> target dies faster -> shorter fight -> less hits incoming -> less heal needed /win

07-13-2012, 09:51 AM	#24
The_Cheeseman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,285	[email protected] wrote: Drop Mending runes -> get more critbonus -> more overall damage -> target dies faster -> shorter fight -> less hits incoming -> less heal needed /win While 6% crit bonus is nice, it's not really in the same league as ~2k incoming HPS. __________________

07-13-2012, 11:02 AM	#25
kalaria Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 121	These should of been changed AGES ago. Ps.Gotta love Tuor swapping accounts to have discussions with himself! heh.

07-13-2012, 11:34 AM	#26
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	I love the loss of 12k HPS and 12k Threat per second! WEE!!!! I hope I get something to compensate for it! (lulzno! Blood Rage is the weakest heal in the game still!) I can't wait for everyone who doesn't read the forum log in to this trash, and I also can't wait to see everyone dieing to recklessness because they can't heal fast enough.

07-13-2012, 11:54 AM	#27
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	The Loss of HPS/Threat will be devastating for my class, since most everyone I know uses it... grats on PvP nerfs.

07-13-2012, 12:28 PM	#28
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	This is a long overdue fix and about time really. __________________

07-13-2012, 12:31 PM	#29
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	[email protected] wrote: This is a long overdue fix and about time really. LOL... The upgrades to healing abilities DO NOT make up for this... Also, some classes are terrible now because of this change. Lets Nerf Casual Players/Soloers/HM Heroic Players/EM Raiders...

07-13-2012, 12:45 PM	#30
Kapath Lord Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 58	DO NOT PUT THIS IN UPDATE!!!!!!!!! __________________ MalletMan wrote: I noticed that on the mining animation, that the pick points to the right a bit, any way to fix that?