Can we please remove white adornments?

Beko · 07-18-2012, 01:30 AM

They are no longer a choice, and anyone with half a brain is just going to put in 2% Critical Bonus on all Primary/Secondary/Ranged Weapons anyways so why not just remove them and add 4% more CB to all weapons/ect.

To be honest, if you want to promote choice... change runes of mending and blasting to something more useful.

Rune of Mending: 2% of all damage recieved is prevented. (Or a heal based on your health.)

Rune of Blasting: 1% Spell Doublecast Chance and 2% Flurry.

And if you do do this, add another white slot to 2 handed weapons.

Mosha D'Khan · 07-18-2012, 01:41 AM

yes because blasting runes are only used by mages so why not spell double cast, who cares about melee dps...

Talathion · 07-18-2012, 01:44 AM

2% Critical Bonus for Melee Damage.

Mosha D'Khan · 07-18-2012, 02:06 AM

i just making a point that CB can be used by mages too, along with Pot. if you want to fix an adorn dont fix it for just you or your class type. if you want something fixed make it worth it for every body or stop whining about it. make it something for all to use not just mages

Beko · 07-18-2012, 02:12 AM

There, changed it a bit.

Yeah, it is a little biased for crusaders, but they wouldn't give up 2% DP for 2% Flurry/1DC.

Boli32 · 07-18-2012, 07:27 AM

You're serious?

Even including tank weapons with block scout weapons with CB and mage weapons with potency you also forget you can also adorn crit chance - some people lack in CC and need to adorn it in various places (including weapons) removing the CHOICE is what you are after and that I cannot be more against. Currently there is very little choice in gear adorns are the ONLY choice remaining to players.

The choices should be BALANCED however 2% crit bonus does not give that much unless stacked with similar adorns. Perhaps the damage/hea adorns fault is they do not stack as well as CB/Pot adorns; but the actual damage increae they give is roughly similar.

Yunay · 07-18-2012, 07:59 AM

No, don't remove white adornments ... BUT give every adornment free for each slot .... so let me put Potency on whatever I want ... or cast speed also on my weapon (if not yet possible) !!!

THAT would be nice !!!

Balrok · 07-18-2012, 11:23 AM

man... so many ways to complain about mending fix.

The choice is nessissary for those needing to soft cap or balance their stats. Don't be man about all this, the mending adornment has been stated over and over and over again to be a bug. It was an overdue fix. I just talked to a GM last night again on test and once again he clarified that PvE is not and was not balanced around mending. If you can't kill something without mendings, then you're not ready for that encounter or doing something wrong.

Shame on SoE for taking so long to fix a broken proc, but shame on everyone else for building their game experience around a broken mechanic.

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Geothe · 07-18-2012, 11:28 AM

Tuor... do you really need to make yet another thread about this Mending adorn when, what 2 or 3, have been locked already?

Beko · 07-18-2012, 01:23 PM

to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus.

Luhai · 07-18-2012, 01:29 PM

You're not even reading this thread, are you?

But then again you posted in another thread that you don't read forums.

Btw, I'm using block chance adornments on my SK and crit chance on another character.

Beko · 07-18-2012, 01:31 PM

Luhai wrote:

You're not even reading this thread, are you?
But then again you posted in another thread that you don't read forums.
Btw, I'm using block chance adornments on my SK and crit chance on another character.

lol

Yimway · 07-18-2012, 02:08 PM

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus.

Not everyone makes this choice.

Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic?

Beko · 07-18-2012, 02:13 PM

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] Bayle wrote:
to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus.
Not everyone makes this choice.
Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic?

I want my adornments refunded.

A 0.2% heal is completely worthless.

Jeepned2 · 07-18-2012, 06:26 PM

Removal of white adorns with never happen. The crafters who make a lot of money off them have too many friends in Sony. Not sure when the crafters got so powerful, (other then sometime under the careful watch of Domino, who took better care of her crafters then any other class ever got from their representative) but Sony is not going to upset them, not a chance. Personally think the crafters are more powerful then the raiders ever where.

Beko · 07-18-2012, 07:14 PM

Nobody will sell the new adorns, they are completely worthless. Might as well remove the adornments from crafter's lists.

Landiin · 07-18-2012, 08:50 PM

Geothe wrote:

Tuor... do you really need to make yet another thread about this Mending adorn when, what 2 or 3, have been locked already?

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

Luhai wrote:
You're not even reading this thread, are you?
But then again you posted in another thread that you don't read forums.
Btw, I'm using block chance adornments on my SK and crit chance on another character.
lol

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] Bayle wrote:
to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus.
Not everyone makes this choice.
Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic?
I want my adornments refunded.
A 0.2% heal is completely worthless.

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

Nobody will sell the new adorns, they are completely worthless. Might as well remove the adornments from crafter's lists.

Exactly how are these any more constructive then mine was? Please do tell!?!

The_Cheeseman · 07-18-2012, 11:46 PM

Just to clarify, you're unhappy that there are very limited viable choices in white adornments, which stifles individualization, so your solution is to remove ALL the options entirely? Certainly you can see how this not only doesn't solve the problem, but actually makes it worse?

And yes, I am well aware that this entire thread is just a thinly-veiled excuse to whine about the rune of mending nerf, but I figured I should at least respond to the supposed topic.

Kuulei · 07-19-2012, 02:12 AM

Jeepned2 wrote:

Removal of white adorns with never happen. The crafters who make a lot of money off them have too many friends in Sony. Not sure when the crafters got so powerful, (other then sometime under the careful watch of Domino, who took better care of her crafters then any other class ever got from their representative) but Sony is not going to upset them, not a chance. Personally think the crafters are more powerful then the raiders ever where.

Your a crafter (419/460 tinkering, 460/460 transmuting, 36 alchemist and even 3/460 adorning) and you're posting that?

The pot calling the kettle black!

Balrok · 07-19-2012, 02:36 AM

Twyxx · 07-19-2012, 02:49 AM

[email protected] wrote:

No, don't remove white adornments ... BUT give every adornment free for each slot .... so let me put Potency on whatever I want ... or cast speed also on my weapon (if not yet possible) !!!
THAT would be nice !!!

If you do this then everyone's just gonna put cb or pot on all the slots and there's no choice. We already have that on red slots for armor.

Ingerimm · 07-19-2012, 02:51 AM

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] Bayle wrote:
to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus.
Not everyone makes this choice.
Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic?
I want my adornments refunded.
A 0.2% heal is completely worthless.

Remarkable you have 600.000 HP? 1200 at 60k is 2%.

The same as for the "Faith Strike" by the paladin, if it is fully developed with 5 points in the Paladin AA tree.

Beko · 07-19-2012, 02:54 AM

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] Bayle wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected]ntonia Bayle wrote:
to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus.
Not everyone makes this choice.
Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic?
I want my adornments refunded.
A 0.2% heal is completely worthless.
Remarkable you have 600 000 HP? 1200 at 60k is 2%.

a 2% max health heal is worthless.

Ingerimm · 07-19-2012, 02:58 AM

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] Bayle wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] Bayle wrote:
to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus.
Not everyone makes this choice.
Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic?
I want my adornments refunded.
A 0.2% heal is completely worthless.
Remarkable you have 600 000 HP? 1200 at 60k is 2%.
a 2% max health heal is worthless.

The same as for the "Faith Strike" by the paladin, if it is fully developed with 5 points in the Paladin AA tree.

Beko · 07-19-2012, 03:00 AM

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] Bayle wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] Bayle wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] Bayle wrote:
to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus.
Not everyone makes this choice.
Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic?
I want my adornments refunded.
A 0.2% heal is completely worthless.
Remarkable you have 600 000 HP? 1200 at 60k is 2%.
a 2% max health heal is worthless.
The same as for the "Faith Strike" by the paladin, if it is fully developed with 5 points in the Paladin AA tree.

You have other healing abilities that heal for far more on live, faith strike is mostly for damage, the aa improves both the damage and the healing of that ability.

Ingerimm · 07-19-2012, 03:21 AM

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

You have other healing abilities that heal for far more on live, faith strike is mostly for damage, the aa improves both the damage and the healing of that ability.

No this is not correct, increase the AA points just the healing of the spell to 2%. 5 AA points do not so much from the proc Adronment your salvation. Because they improve the healing of the spell by only 1,6% to 2%.

Beko · 07-19-2012, 03:37 AM

I[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] Bayle wrote:
You have other healing abilities that heal for far more on live, faith strike is mostly for damage, the aa improves both the damage and the healing of that ability.
No this is not correct, increase the AA points just the healing of the spell to 2%. 5 AA points do not so much from the proc Adronment your salvation. Because they improve the healing of the spell by only 1% to 2%.

Ah, I got mixed it up with Swinging Strike which ups its damage, its still a 2% heal every 5 seconds with all your other healing abilities thats pretty nice.

Ingerimm · 07-19-2012, 04:27 AM

Every 10 seconds with 0% reuse speed. 5 seconds with 100% reuse speed.

Basically the same as the Mending Adornment, depending on the amount of the modified Adronments!

In addition, all Adornment their function, I prefer to have a clear chance to block, avoid uncontestet is indispensable for a tank and 2% have an effect. And uses it on the many items makes it at least 31% block chance.

Tylia · 07-19-2012, 12:09 PM

Talathion, why don't you just group with a healer? Your survival problem will be solved.

07-18-2012, 01:41 AM	#2
Mosha D'Khan Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 440	yes because blasting runes are only used by mages so why not spell double cast, who cares about melee dps... __________________

07-18-2012, 02:06 AM	#4
Mosha D'Khan Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 440	i just making a point that CB can be used by mages too, along with Pot. if you want to fix an adorn dont fix it for just you or your class type. if you want something fixed make it worth it for every body or stop whining about it. make it something for all to use not just mages __________________

07-18-2012, 07:59 AM	#7
Yunay Server: Innovation Guild: Norraths Garde Rank: Gardist Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Munich / Germany Posts: 245	No, don't remove white adornments ... BUT give every adornment free for each slot .... so let me put Potency on whatever I want ... or cast speed also on my weapon (if not yet possible) !!! THAT would be nice !!! __________________

07-18-2012, 11:23 AM	#8
Balrok Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 862	man... so many ways to complain about mending fix. The choice is nessissary for those needing to soft cap or balance their stats. Don't be man about all this, the mending adornment has been stated over and over and over again to be a bug. It was an overdue fix. I just talked to a GM last night again on test and once again he clarified that PvE is not and was not balanced around mending. If you can't kill something without mendings, then you're not ready for that encounter or doing something wrong. Shame on SoE for taking so long to fix a broken proc, but shame on everyone else for building their game experience around a broken mechanic. __________________ The PvP issues are known and will be worked on "when time allows". Olihin

07-18-2012, 11:24 AM	#9
Dexella Community Relations Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 477	This post has moved: /eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=52012...post_id=5775772 Post removed for forum violations. Please communicate constructively. __________________ Dexella Community Relations Manager

07-18-2012, 01:30 AM	#1
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	They are no longer a choice, and anyone with half a brain is just going to put in 2% Critical Bonus on all Primary/Secondary/Ranged Weapons anyways so why not just remove them and add 4% more CB to all weapons/ect. To be honest, if you want to promote choice... change runes of mending and blasting to something more useful. Rune of Mending: 2% of all damage recieved is prevented. (Or a heal based on your health.) Rune of Blasting: 1% Spell Doublecast Chance and 2% Flurry. And if you do do this, add another white slot to 2 handed weapons.

07-18-2012, 01:44 AM	#3
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	2% Critical Bonus for Melee Damage.

07-18-2012, 02:12 AM	#5
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	*There, changed it a bit.* Yeah, it is a little biased for crusaders, but they wouldn't give up 2% DP for 2% Flurry/1DC.

07-18-2012, 07:27 AM	#6
Boli32 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,425	You're serious? Even including tank weapons with block scout weapons with CB and mage weapons with potency you also forget you can also adorn crit chance - some people lack in CC and need to adorn it in various places (including weapons) removing the CHOICE is what you are after and that I cannot be more against. Currently there is very little choice in gear adorns are the ONLY choice remaining to players. The choices should be BALANCED however 2% crit bonus does not give that much unless stacked with similar adorns. Perhaps the damage/hea adorns fault is they do not stack as well as CB/Pot adorns; but the actual damage increae they give is roughly similar.

07-18-2012, 11:28 AM	#10
Geothe Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,098	Tuor... do you really need to make yet another thread about this Mending adorn when, what 2 or 3, have been locked already? __________________ Smed: We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. Smed: 5) This [LoN] is not some slippery slope towards selling items directly in EQ & EQ II. Lie #3: Station Cash. Enough Said.

07-18-2012, 01:23 PM	#11
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus.

07-18-2012, 01:29 PM	#12
Luhai Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 679	You're not even reading this thread, are you? But then again you posted in another thread that you don't read forums. Btw, I'm using block chance adornments on my SK and crit chance on another character. __________________

07-18-2012, 01:31 PM	#13
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	Luhai wrote: You're not even reading this thread, are you? But then again you posted in another thread that you don't read forums. Btw, I'm using block chance adornments on my SK and crit chance on another character. lol

07-18-2012, 02:08 PM	#14
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	[email protected] Bayle wrote: to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus. Not everyone makes this choice. Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic? __________________

07-18-2012, 02:13 PM	#15
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	[email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus. Not everyone makes this choice. Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic? I want my adornments refunded. A 0.2% heal is completely worthless.

07-18-2012, 06:26 PM	#16
Jeepned2 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 595	Removal of white adorns with never happen. The crafters who make a lot of money off them have too many friends in Sony. Not sure when the crafters got so powerful, (other then sometime under the careful watch of Domino, who took better care of her crafters then any other class ever got from their representative) but Sony is not going to upset them, not a chance. Personally think the crafters are more powerful then the raiders ever where.

07-18-2012, 07:14 PM	#17
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	Nobody will sell the new adorns, they are completely worthless. Might as well remove the adornments from crafter's lists.

07-18-2012, 08:50 PM	#18
Landiin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,749	Geothe wrote: Tuor... do you really need to make yet another thread about this Mending adorn when, what 2 or 3, have been locked already? [email protected] Bayle wrote: Luhai wrote: You're not even reading this thread, are you? But then again you posted in another thread that you don't read forums. Btw, I'm using block chance adornments on my SK and crit chance on another character. lol [email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus. Not everyone makes this choice. Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic? I want my adornments refunded. A 0.2% heal is completely worthless. [email protected] Bayle wrote: Nobody will sell the new adorns, they are completely worthless. Might as well remove the adornments from crafter's lists. Exactly how are these any more constructive then mine was? Please do tell!?! __________________

07-18-2012, 11:46 PM	#19
The_Cheeseman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,285	Just to clarify, you're unhappy that there are very limited viable choices in white adornments, which stifles individualization, so your solution is to remove ALL the options entirely? Certainly you can see how this not only doesn't solve the problem, but actually makes it worse? And yes, I am well aware that this entire thread is just a thinly-veiled excuse to whine about the rune of mending nerf, but I figured I should at least respond to the supposed topic. __________________

07-19-2012, 02:12 AM	#20
Kuulei Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 468	Jeepned2 wrote: Removal of white adorns with never happen. The crafters who make a lot of money off them have too many friends in Sony. Not sure when the crafters got so powerful, (other then sometime under the careful watch of Domino, who took better care of her crafters then any other class ever got from their representative) but Sony is not going to upset them, not a chance. Personally think the crafters are more powerful then the raiders ever where. Your a crafter (419/460 tinkering, 460/460 transmuting, 36 alchemist and even 3/460 adorning) and you're posting that? The pot calling the kettle black! __________________ Kuulei ~ Warden of Test

07-19-2012, 02:36 AM	#21
Balrok Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 862	__________________ The PvP issues are known and will be worked on "when time allows". Olihin

07-19-2012, 02:49 AM	#22
Twyxx Guardian Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: CA Posts: 244	[email protected] wrote: No, don't remove white adornments ... BUT give every adornment free for each slot .... so let me put Potency on whatever I want ... or cast speed also on my weapon (if not yet possible) !!! THAT would be nice !!! If you do this then everyone's just gonna put cb or pot on all the slots and there's no choice. We already have that on red slots for armor. __________________

07-19-2012, 02:51 AM	#23
Ingerimm Server: Valor Guild: Das Schwarze Auge Rank: Gott Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 105	[email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus. Not everyone makes this choice. Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic? I want my adornments refunded. A 0.2% heal is completely worthless. Remarkable you have 600.000 HP? 1200 at 60k is 2%. The same as for the "Faith Strike" by the paladin, if it is fully developed with 5 points in the Paladin AA tree. __________________

07-19-2012, 02:54 AM	#24
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	[email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: [email protected]ntonia Bayle wrote: to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus. Not everyone makes this choice. Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic? I want my adornments refunded. A 0.2% heal is completely worthless. Remarkable you have 600 000 HP? 1200 at 60k is 2%. a 2% max health heal is worthless.

07-19-2012, 02:58 AM	#25
Ingerimm Server: Valor Guild: Das Schwarze Auge Rank: Gott Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 105	[email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus. Not everyone makes this choice. Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic? I want my adornments refunded. A 0.2% heal is completely worthless. Remarkable you have 600 000 HP? 1200 at 60k is 2%. a 2% max health heal is worthless. The same as for the "Faith Strike" by the paladin, if it is fully developed with 5 points in the Paladin AA tree. __________________

07-19-2012, 03:00 AM	#26
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	[email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: to make it "not useless" and not make everyone have to get 2% Critical Bonus. Not everyone makes this choice. Seriously, how much QQing do we need on this topic? I want my adornments refunded. A 0.2% heal is completely worthless. Remarkable you have 600 000 HP? 1200 at 60k is 2%. a 2% max health heal is worthless. The same as for the "Faith Strike" by the paladin, if it is fully developed with 5 points in the Paladin AA tree. You have other healing abilities that heal for far more on live, faith strike is mostly for damage, the aa improves both the damage and the healing of that ability.

07-19-2012, 03:21 AM	#27
Ingerimm Server: Valor Guild: Das Schwarze Auge Rank: Gott Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 105	[email protected] Bayle wrote: You have other healing abilities that heal for far more on live, faith strike is mostly for damage, the aa improves both the damage and the healing of that ability. No this is not correct, increase the AA points just the healing of the spell to 2%. 5 AA points do not so much from the proc Adronment your salvation. Because they improve the healing of the spell by only 1,6% to 2%. __________________

07-19-2012, 03:37 AM	#28
Beko Server: Antonia Bayle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	I[email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: You have other healing abilities that heal for far more on live, faith strike is mostly for damage, the aa improves both the damage and the healing of that ability. No this is not correct, increase the AA points just the healing of the spell to 2%. 5 AA points do not so much from the proc Adronment your salvation. Because they improve the healing of the spell by only 1% to 2%. Ah, I got mixed it up with Swinging Strike which ups its damage, its still a 2% heal every 5 seconds with all your other healing abilities thats pretty nice.

07-19-2012, 04:27 AM	#29
Ingerimm Server: Valor Guild: Das Schwarze Auge Rank: Gott Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 105	Every 10 seconds with 0% reuse speed. 5 seconds with 100% reuse speed. Basically the same as the Mending Adornment, depending on the amount of the modified Adronments! In addition, all Adornment their function, I prefer to have a clear chance to block, avoid uncontestet is indispensable for a tank and 2% have an effect. And uses it on the many items makes it at least 31% block chance. __________________

07-19-2012, 12:09 PM	#30
Tylia Server: Butcherblock Guild: Test of Time Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 757	Talathion, why don't you just group with a healer? Your survival problem will be solved.