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Old 08-26-2011, 02:49 PM   #391
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I agree. After setting AAs twice (that was my only issue) I went out and played....discovered 13 new items and leveled twice, found my (low level 77 Ranger) was playing better than before. Actually found a couple pieces of gear that were better than my level 72 mastercrafted. For a casual solo-player, that is good stuff.

So, I am a solo player for the most part, usually not in a group of more than 4, and am in a casual guild.

Other than some issues with the AAs and my lev 90 Necro, I have no complaints. I am not experiencing poor gameplay, super-nerfed gear, or insane AA issues.

Granted that, again, I speak only from a mostly-solo, non-raid point of view.

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So far I've actually found this update to be one of the least painfull. Despite the initial shock of re-equipping everything and redoing my AA I'm actually having quite a bit of fun. (and thank you for not level locking the AA tree that most of us 'smell the roses' players use...it was a good compromise and I apprecate that)

Oh and Manaburn...looks amazing!

All of my gear actually makes sense now, and for that I'm actually far more powerfull thain I was previously. Perhaps I lucked out, I dont know, but when I re-equiped my mastercrafted kit I was rolling over mobs....and I'm level locked. o_O

Sure I'm not a 'pro player', or a number cruncher, but so far fiding new gear in the places where I am has actually made a difference and made the gear when I am matter once more. There are a few weird items here and there but I'll just /bug them as I see them.

I was ready to get good and mad at this GU....but I'm not. 

So from someone who isnt an 'important player', someone who isnt in a high level raid guild...just someone who likes to explore and mess around.....Thank you.

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Old 08-26-2011, 02:51 PM   #392
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I cannot zone into a guild hall - any hall - anywhere - any server.  I am so tired of trying and getting booted to desktop (or having to quit on the zone screen)  /pout

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Old 08-26-2011, 02:51 PM   #393
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World of Warcraft did this exact same thing with itemization.  Thus SOE is contractually obliged due to shareholder agreements to do the exact same thing.

Let me say that again:

1.) World of Warcraft itemized earlier raids out of the game (ICC 5-Mans).

2.) SOE *must* do everything WoW does.

I am shocked any of you are surprised by this.  After getting an "expansion" six months ago that consisted of an empty box and an "IOU" for two years of game updates that might, in the end, constitue as much content as Wrath of the Lich King had out of the box, why did you expect this GU to be anything other than a shark-jumping-with-burning-skis disaster?  Why do you expect anything SOE releases not to be a total disaster that isn't fixed until weeks after its launch?  Hell, while we're at it, let's also continue ignoring the fact that Wrath of the Lich King was a better rendition of EQ's Velious than EQ2's Velious is to this day.

Stick a fork in it folks, EQ2's done.  This mess won't be sorted out til the end of the year.  With the glut of AAA games releasing between now and the end of the year that will put this laughable frankenstein mess of a game design to shame, it's time to seriously consider whether it's worth paying $60 + the expansion cost to see if this is all fixed by December.

Far better to take that $60 and drop it on Skyrim, TOR, or (hopefully!) Diablo 3.

And for those that are left -- well, enjoy your house rating system and /sitchair I guess.  At least EQ2 will retain its death grip hold on the lonely housewife market.

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Old 08-26-2011, 02:53 PM   #394
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Basically Smokejumper admitted that the new Heroic gear from was intended to be better than release EM/HM gear.

No. I never said that.

I said that HM Drunder raid gear was supposed to be better than PoW heroic gear.

It is being adjusted to be that way.

BAM! there it is.  So New heroic loot is going to stay better than existing EM/HM DOV gear? You fail at understanding what you have done to your player base in a MASSIVE way.

This, a thousand times.

Why was the readjustment of gear designed to make pre-drunder HM obsolete?  So, the intention is to push the playerbase into these zones, and ignore DoV pre-drunder?  I REALLY don't understand.  I would have thought SOE would want to put MORE zones into the rotation for raid guilds and groups.  Now, we'll just skip all other zones and focus on the most bang for our time.

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Please readjust, WITHOUT(!!!) re-unattuning again.

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Old 08-26-2011, 02:55 PM   #395
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bohohoboprobono wrote:

World of Warcraft did this exact same thing with itemization.  Thus SOE is contractually obliged due to shareholder agreements to do the exact same thing.

Let me say that again:

1.) World of Warcraft itemized earlier raids out of the game (ICC 5-Mans).

2.) SOE *must* do everything WoW does.

I am shocked any of you are surprised by this.  After getting an "expansion" six months ago that consisted of an empty box and an "IOU" for two years of game updates that might, in the end, constitue as much content as Wrath of the Lich King had out of the box, why did you expect this GU to be anything other than a shark-jumping-with-burning-skis disaster?  Why do you expect anything SOE releases not to be a total disaster that isn't fixed until weeks after its launch?  Hell, while we're at it, let's also continue ignoring the fact that Wrath of the Lich King was a better rendition of EQ's Velious than EQ2's Velious is to this day.

Stick a fork in it folks, EQ2's done.  This mess won't be sorted out til the end of the year.  With the glut of AAA games releasing between now and the end of the year that will put this laughable frankenstein mess of a game design to shame, it's time to seriously consider whether it's worth paying $60 + the expansion cost to see if this is all fixed by December.

Far better to take that $60 and drop it on Skyrim, TOR, or (hopefully!) Diablo 3.

And for those that are left -- well, enjoy your house rating system and /sitchair I guess.  At least EQ2 will retain its death grip hold on the lonely housewife market.

Wow nice way to boil this all down, there are some great games out soon and this is a bad time to so screw up a basic game component like itemization!

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Old 08-26-2011, 02:55 PM   #396
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A couple of things I noticed yesterday:

* When you load the game up: While you're on the War of Zek splash screen, the EverQuest II music starts up as usual, but when you get to the loading character screen (I log directly into a character and skip the character select screen) the EverQuest II music starts all over again. This never happened before, and it's a minor thing, but every time I hear it it makes me think I crashed or log in failed lol.

* Female Ratonga legs look like they have no bones in the /sitchair emote... lol...

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Old 08-26-2011, 02:55 PM   #397
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The way this expansion is being released over such a long time with so much content it was just a matter of time before this problem came about, especially considering the cookie cutter itemization during this xpac and the implamentation of so many teirs of gear.

If you had started out the xpac with a larger gap between the teirs of loot and difficulty of content it would have helped a lot. Perhaps having some procs like those on the PoW gear on HM raid content at release. At least then it wouldnt make everyone who has put in the work feel so robbed of their time right now.

On that note, you really didn't help the situation by reitemizing the entire game except the gear people are actually wearing right now. Between looking at the links in channel last night of the new drops and looking at SF gear I have in my bank that in some cases was a little better than what I am wearing from DoV, I cant honestly say I have any interest in logging in for a few weeks until something gets sorted out.

I will admit that I loved the days of a few heroic peices such as Najeena's Ring of Readiness being a best in slot item, but that didnt mean I could literally get something out of a 6 man zone for every slot of my toon that was better than a raid item.

I like many other have put in a lot of time in EM and HM raid content since DoV release, and last night I felt like my mix of that gear was like PQ loot compared to the avatarish links from PoW heroic.

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Old 08-26-2011, 02:55 PM   #398
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[email protected] Bayle wrote:

Velenda wrote:

What they want changed is that 6man instances yield better gear than the Raids..

And SmokeJumper has previously stated that this was not intended and that they would be taking a look at this issue this very morning.

You guys are working yourselves up too much.  Let them have their meetings today and see what they come up with.

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:00 PM   #399
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No reply from SJ after he posted a reply to my question about the EM/HM/drunder EM gear.  Its obvious we have our answer. I just cant believe someone in his position could get so out of touch with the player base to not think that this GU would not totally Enrage people.

Your statement would suggest that he was ever in touch with *this* player base.  He understands the industry well, but he's never been what I would call passionate about this game specifically.

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:04 PM   #400
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bohohoboprobono wrote:

Skyrim, TOR, or (hopefully!) Diablo 3.

Only one of those is a MMO, & it's not a fantasy sword-&-sorcery MMO. Telling me I should consider bailing on EQ2 for games that are, at best, only remotely similar to EQ2 makes no sense at all. & no, I've even less interest in WoW or Rift.

In fact, of those games, the only one which truly interests me is Diablo 3. I couldn't care less about Star Wars, & I've never liked a single thing Bethesda Softworks has ever made.

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:05 PM   #401
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[email protected] Bayle wrote:

Ok seriously, I'm very upset! I can't use my runspeed, mount speed, and food and drink aa's anymore on my low level adventurers even if they're level 90 crafters?!? Becuase I don't want to level my adventure side on certain characters for roleplay purposes I can no longer use these? That's completely ridiculous. These AA's are useful for crafters runspeed/mountspeed helps us mob dodge while harvesting and we use drinks to keep our power up while crafting so the duration of drinks is important to us. I would like the General level of the Shadow Tab unlocked please, or at least those 3 AA's. I don't care about the rest but those in my opinion have no business being locked for high level crafters. Make us wait till we've reached the equivilent crafting level, that's fine, but give them back please.

We agree. This will be fixed in next week's hotfix.

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:06 PM   #402
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[email protected] Bayle wrote:

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

Velenda wrote:

What they want changed is that 6man instances yield better gear than the Raids..

And SmokeJumper has previously stated that this was not intended and that they would be taking a look at this issue this very morning.

You guys are working yourselves up too much.  Let them have their meetings today and see what they come up with.

No he makes it pretty clear that Only Dunder HM gear is suppose to be superior to POW Heroic gear.  Meaning DOV EM/HM and drunder EM are inferior. 

Here is his most resent post:

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Basically Smokejumper admitted that the new Heroic gear from was intended to be better than release EM/HM gear.

No. I never said that.

I said that HM Drunder raid gear was supposed to be better than PoW heroic gear.

It is being adjusted to be that way.

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[email protected] Bayle wrote:

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

Velenda wrote:

What they want changed is that 6man instances yield better gear than the Raids..

And SmokeJumper has previously stated that this was not intended and that they would be taking a look at this issue this very morning.

You guys are working yourselves up too much.  Let them have their meetings today and see what they come up with.

Actually .. according to himself he never said that either...

SmokeJumper wrote:

No. I never said that.

I said that HM Drunder raid gear was supposed to be better than PoW heroic gear.

It is being adjusted to be that way.

He STILL havent uttered a single word about weather or not EASY MODE INSTANCE gear from PoW should be better or worse than existing current TIER raid gear.

What he IS saying though is that PoW gear will NOT be better than Drunder gear, it does NOT contain a SINGLE reference to previous raids of the same tier.

He still have NOT spoken out on PoW vs previous raid tiers ... And with his track record of using semantics - dont tempt me to find the quotes ! - he probably never will untill there is a full statement ready with all the George smiles and puns and jokes he does agood job though even i will admit that, Its amazing how easy manipulated people are SMILEY

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:08 PM   #404
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[email protected] wrote:

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Basically Smokejumper admitted that the new Heroic gear from was intended to be better than release EM/HM gear.

No. I never said that.

I said that HM Drunder raid gear was supposed to be better than PoW heroic gear.

It is being adjusted to be that way.

Given the specificality of his statement, I'm inclined to read that as Drunder HM gear is getting upgraded and PoW will remain as is and eliminate the need to do 80% of the DoV raids realeased to date.

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[email protected]_old wrote:

I bought an item (tank 1 hander) from Element of War for my alt zerker last night and if it gets nerfed I'l be pretty upset. I understand the arguement, but it's gonna sukk for all of us that have bought items yesterday.

After all the complaining that has been going on here (and in the channels), if it gets nerfed, it is on you.  You should have known better and waited to see what was going to change.

Wouldn't surprise me if the toon that sold it to you was thinking of PT Barnum while accepting you plat....

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[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Basically Smokejumper admitted that the new Heroic gear from was intended to be better than release EM/HM gear.

No. I never said that.

I said that HM Drunder raid gear was supposed to be better than PoW heroic gear.

It is being adjusted to be that way.

Given the specificality of his statement, I'm inclined to read that as Drunder HM gear is getting upgraded and PoW will remain as is and eliminate the need to do 80% of the DoV raids realeased to date.

You could read it that way indeed. Still doesnt change the fact that its a big middle finger to all raiders

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[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Basically Smokejumper admitted that the new Heroic gear from was intended to be better than release EM/HM gear.

No. I never said that.

I said that HM Drunder raid gear was supposed to be better than PoW heroic gear.

It is being adjusted to be that way.

Given the specificality of his statement, I'm inclined to read that as Drunder HM gear is getting upgraded and PoW will remain as is and eliminate the need to do 80% of the DoV raids realeased to date.

That is exactly the issue and they are terrified to come here and directly admit that because they already see the fury that is there raiding player base.  Come here admit you massively screwed up roll back the new zones and set things right. 

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No he makes it pretty clear that Only Dunder HM gear is suppose to be superior to POW Heroic gear.  Meaning DOV EM/HM and drunder EM are inferior.

No. You inferred that. I have never said any such thing.

Details will be forthcoming soon.

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I don't know how many of you have actually tried the new zone. But:

1) Not every drop is fabled

2) The crit mit on the EoW EM gear is lower than kael HM raid gear

3) People in HM gear can clear EoW EM but much of the gear is garbage or situational to HM geared people

4) EoW HM is no joke at least until the scripts are fully understood. It takes a well balanced group of people in HM raid gear to make a dent in it right now.

5) The loot on the first 2 or 3 EoW EM mobs is fairly easy for HM geared toons and probably for EM toons as well. But, the last named is gonna rock you either way.

Got 4 or more drops last night in EoW EM: 1 NBG Muted, 1 fabled upgrade for kael EM fabled (this is the dicey one of course), 1 legendary upgrade for pq geared alt, 1 situational upgrade for someone in the group(melee priest when not meleeing)

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No he makes it pretty clear that Only Dunder HM gear is suppose to be superior to POW Heroic gear.  Meaning DOV EM/HM and drunder EM are inferior.

No. You inferred that. I have never said any such thing.

Details will be forthcoming soon.

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[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

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Basically Smokejumper admitted that the new Heroic gear from was intended to be better than release EM/HM gear.

No. I never said that.

I said that HM Drunder raid gear was supposed to be better than PoW heroic gear.

It is being adjusted to be that way.

Given the specificality of his statement, I'm inclined to read that as Drunder HM gear is getting upgraded and PoW will remain as is and eliminate the need to do 80% of the DoV raids realeased to date.

That is exactly the issue and they are terrified to come here and directly admit that because they already see the fury that is there raiding player base.  Come here admit you massively screwed up roll back the new zones and set things right. 

(Emphasis done by me)

I really dont think they screwed up,i think it was done deliberately, they can NOT be this ignorant.

If its a corporate decission for some reason comming down from ABOVE Smokie... admit that, though im sure he would be pink slipped if he ever said that SMILEY

So .. unless there is some massive corporate thing going on, this was deliberate, planned and meditated SMILEY not just a brain fart of some intern.

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SmokeJumper wrote:

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No he makes it pretty clear that Only Dunder HM gear is suppose to be superior to POW Heroic gear.  Meaning DOV EM/HM and drunder EM are inferior.

No. You inferred that. I have never said any such thing.

Details will be forthcoming soon.

What specifically is so hard about you being specific with your answers?

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No he makes it pretty clear that Only Dunder HM gear is suppose to be superior to POW Heroic gear.  Meaning DOV EM/HM and drunder EM are inferior.

No. You inferred that. I have never said any such thing.

Details will be forthcoming soon.

Thank you, this is all most were looking for, a reasonable position to a reasonable question along with the communications to keep us informed.

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No he makes it pretty clear that Only Dunder HM gear is suppose to be superior to POW Heroic gear.  Meaning DOV EM/HM and drunder EM are inferior.

No. You inferred that. I have never said any such thing.

What else could it mean??  How do you think we would take it? HM drunder is being adjusted to be better than Heroic POW or Vise versa (Nerfing POW to be slightly less than HM drunder gear).  The fact remains that the New heroic gear will still be superior to EM/HM release. If that is your intention than just say so now and stop beating around the bush

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[email protected] Bayle wrote:

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SmokeJumper,  Thanks for keeping us up to date on what is going on.  This update is very trying for many reasons.   The one I am most concerned about and some of my guildees have voiced to me is that Heroic instances (new DoV Heroic content) are dropping gear that is better than HM x4 Raid Zones (Old DoV x4 Raid Zones).   Is this going to be resolved at a later date.  As of now I have raiders who are wanting to stop raiding because the progression is not worth it as it is now.   Any specific plan to fix this, or can we expect this to stay the same now?   If you or another Dev can address this issue it would be appreciated. 

Thank you,

SmokeJumper,  You requested that we give you specific examples of gear issues.  Here are two that I have concerns about:

1. The Neck Item on the left drops from Kolskegger, Throne of Storms: Hall of Legends Easy Mode.  The item on the right drops from one of the new Heroic zones.  Are the new heroic items stats suppose to be better than DoV Easy Mode Raid Loot?

2.  The next image shows that Taltaak's Hammer of Cleansing dropped from Easy Mode Kraytocks is now inferior to a drop from the new Heroic Instance. 

Any information on this issue would be helpful.

I know I'm bumping my own post, but after the crap that was not related, I wanted to make sure this question gets an answer.

Smokejumper can you answer this question please?

I have canceled my payment and my account closes on Thursday.  Had my account open for six years.  Best of luck to all raiders.  After this "SNAFU" so close to the account hacking issue and being down for 3 weeks its all too much.  I enjoyed the game for so long and now I do not.  I have endured so much and am no longer willing to abide.   Best of luck to all who endure Sony and their poor, poor, management and customer service.  I am at peace.

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No he makes it pretty clear that Only Dunder HM gear is suppose to be superior to POW Heroic gear.  Meaning DOV EM/HM and drunder EM are inferior.

No. You inferred that. I have never said any such thing.

Details will be forthcoming soon.

Come on george, im not one to dorn the tinhat, but aren't you the same person who with F2P debacle claimed Semantics ?

Ie. we HAVE to read exactly what you write, so since your do NOT mention any other raids except Drunder we have to ask ourselfs why. Since you repeatedly avoid stating anything your reputation or  semantics record precedes you and makes everyone here go ... Uhhhhh tinfoil hat!!!

Which is why when you skip the issue and only mention Drunder and EoW etc. we all see that your avoiding the issue, which was plain and simple if the EM PoW HEROIC gear was supposed to be better than current Raid gear.

Cant be helped dude, you created that image of semantics and avoidance yourself.

With most people here, you will go ALOT further beign frank and upfront than hideing behind semantics and thinly veiled promisses of future awesomeness... remind me of that cartoon dude... i will gladly pay you tomorrow for a cheeseburger today, funny .. his name is wimpy

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Skwor wrote:

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No he makes it pretty clear that Only Dunder HM gear is suppose to be superior to POW Heroic gear.  Meaning DOV EM/HM and drunder EM are inferior.

No. You inferred that. I have never said any such thing.

Details will be forthcoming soon.

Thank you, this is all most were looking for, a reasonable position to a reasonable question along with the communications to keep us informed.

The "passion for the game" we see displayed is emotional, therefore not likely to be swayed by logic and reason - that's why husbands never win arguments with wives, if they really know what's good for them.

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:26 PM   #418
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[email protected] wrote:

What specifically is so hard about you being specific with your answers?

Based on the "details will be forthcoming soon" line, I'd guess a lack of specific information with which to specifically answer specific questions.

I sympathize with all the "omg our raid loots are screwed" crowd, but only to an extent. I can't even freekin' log in.

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:28 PM   #419
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[email protected] wrote:

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No he makes it pretty clear that Only Dunder HM gear is suppose to be superior to POW Heroic gear.  Meaning DOV EM/HM and drunder EM are inferior.

No. You inferred that. I have never said any such thing.

Details will be forthcoming soon.

What specifically is so hard about you being specific with your answers?

Because when you screw up royally and have to make it up as you go along, ergo have no plan, you really can't be specific off the cuff?

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:29 PM   #420
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