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Old 03-17-2008, 06:15 PM   #1
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Ok why is it that people even in master crafted gear can have 60+% resist to any given damage type yet even plate tanks solo in fabled gear might just make 60% melee resist?  But then again if you have fabled gear your spell resists are gonna be a [Removed for Content] of alot more than your melee mitagation. 

Anyways, I pvp alot and play a caster type class. With over 460 spell casting and master spells it is a regular fight to roll up on a green con, lvl 72 and get 3-5 resists in a row.  Sony might think thats cool but then if that green con is a swash, brig, or any other melee class they hit my like i'm grey to them.  50% avoidance doesn't even seem to matter vs someone 8 levels below.  After a bunch of fights with every melee class green- even (80) it seems they rarely miss, even with auto attacks, more than 3 times the whole fight while most of the fights vs blues and even their hit rate is 100%.  And with the melee dps in T8 swash/brig can drop anyone is what 3-4 seconds? 

So my question is why is melee favored heavly in pvp over spell casting?

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Old 03-17-2008, 06:22 PM   #2
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Ok why is it that people even in master crafted gear can have 60+% resist to any given damage type yet even plate tanks solo in fabled gear might just make 60% melee resist?  But then again if you have fabled gear your spell resists are gonna be a [I cannot control my vocabulary] of alot more than your melee mitagation. 

Anyways, I pvp alot and play a caster type class. With over 460 spell casting and master spells it is a regular fight to roll up on a green con, lvl 72 and get 3-5 resists in a row.  Sony might think thats cool but then if that green con is a swash, brig, or any other melee class they hit my like i'm grey to them.  50% avoidance doesn't even seem to matter vs someone 8 levels below.  After a bunch of fights with every melee class green- even (80) it seems they rarely miss, even with auto attacks, more than 3 times the whole fight while most of the fights vs blues and even their hit rate is 100%.  And with the melee dps in T8 swash/brig can drop anyone is what 3-4 seconds? 

So my question is why is melee favored heavly in pvp over spell casting?

Play a necro? 3-4 seconds? I think not....check this log out.

(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] YOU are critically hit by Sniper Arrow for 4838 crushing damage.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your stoneskin absorbed 412 points of damage!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You convert the force of the blow into pure mana, dispersing it among the group!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] YOU are hit for 0 poison damage.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] YOU are critically hit by Quick Shot for 479 crushing damage.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You were interrupted!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You are stunned!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your spell has been interrupted!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You send your pet in for the attack!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Cheesehunter hits YOU for 835 crushing damage.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your magical shield begins to fade.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your favor begins to fade.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] The Mark of the Miasmic disappears.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] The power of the Lich begins to wane.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You can no longer see invisible.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Alas, Dracot has died from pain and suffering.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] The Undead Knight decays.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your good-natured Rhino departs.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Alas, Dracot's imp pack has died from pain and suffering.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Alas, Dracot's imp pack has died from pain and suffering.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Alas, Dracot's imp pack has died from pain and suffering.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your Pack of Imps return to their graves.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] An arbor giant's Pack of Imps return to their graves.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] An arbor giant no longer looks helpless.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You are no longer stunned.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Cheesehunter has killed you.

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Old 03-17-2008, 06:57 PM   #3
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:14 AM   #4
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..couldn't you have a tank taunt people away from you while you do your job?
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:22 AM   #5
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well the problem is if a mage has a tank to taunt its too easy to kill a scout with a dot + fission, or a dot + bolt of ice....  whats the fun in that?
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:42 AM   #6
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Death0Matic wrote:

Ok why is it that people even in master crafted gear can have 60+% resist to any given damage type yet even plate tanks solo in fabled gear might just make 60% melee resist?  But then again if you have fabled gear your spell resists are gonna be a [I cannot control my vocabulary] of alot more than your melee mitagation. 

Anyways, I pvp alot and play a caster type class. With over 460 spell casting and master spells it is a regular fight to roll up on a green con, lvl 72 and get 3-5 resists in a row.  Sony might think thats cool but then if that green con is a swash, brig, or any other melee class they hit my like i'm grey to them.  50% avoidance doesn't even seem to matter vs someone 8 levels below.  After a bunch of fights with every melee class green- even (80) it seems they rarely miss, even with auto attacks, more than 3 times the whole fight while most of the fights vs blues and even their hit rate is 100%.  And with the melee dps in T8 swash/brig can drop anyone is what 3-4 seconds? 

So my question is why is melee favored heavly in pvp over spell casting?

HAHA tell that to the wizzy who one shotted 3 people in my group with fission the other day, all of which had over 9k hps.

Im a monk with nearly 10k pvp kills and a Master title and I still have some really good fights against all kinds of mages, assuming they are a good pvper. I'm a firm believer that the player makes alot more difference than the class and gear.  I know alot of people who have OP toons who cannot fight there way out of a paper bag....FACT

IMO good pvpers who happen to play mages actually do very well for themselves and dont whine about it.  The problem is alot of not so good pvpers chose mages and then complain when they get spanked.  It is my opinion that they would also be mediocre at best with any melee class they chose 

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This boils down to PvE design. Take the Defiler for example... Many debuffs that are very effictive in PvE yet in PvP most of the times the defiler will be dead if they try to debuff the PvP "mob".

Sony never adjusted some classes for PvP. They have gotten a lot better since PvP was first launched. Ever play a mage pre-EoF? "Your Abate Life hits Playerx for 300 diesese damage" A spell that hit for 1500-2000 in PvE.

In 3 seconds the mage casts 1 spell. In 3 seconds the scout can land 2 debuffs and 2 high damage ca's. Solution is to watch your back... Have your root/stun/snare/fear/mez ready. Melee classes get upset when they die 30 meters from you!!!

I think it's pretty even right now with casters vs melee. (Less mythicals) Melee has a slight edge but as a mage if you watch your back carefully you can succeed.

Or play a hybrid class... Troub, SK, Pally, Dirge, Mystic, Inquis, Warden... these 7 classes have (Or can have via AA) both ca's and spells so you can use what you need at the right times.

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Old 03-18-2008, 05:42 AM   #8
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HAHA tell that to the wizzy who one shotted 3 people in my group with fission the other day, all of which had over 9k hps.

This is obviously not true because it is not possible to oneshot people in pvp. Doesn't matter which class.Anyway, this topic is like beating a dead horse. Not worth the time.
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HAHA tell that to the wizzy who one shotted 3 people in my group with fission the other day, all of which had over 9k hps.

This is obviously not true because it is not possible to oneshot people in pvp. Doesn't matter which class.Anyway, this topic is like beating a dead horse. Not worth the time.

I do not support one-shotting.

But Wizzys can oneshot nowadays... The only one that has oneshotted me has his mythical and I bet that was the case here. Fission crit plus spell double attack plus what is it freehand sorcery CAN oneshot other players... Sk's could back in the day and I still think Assassins can. Rangers can kinda. Double bow shot +crit +poison +dmg procs)

It happens...

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Old 03-18-2008, 06:09 AM   #10
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HAHA tell that to the wizzy who one shotted 3 people in my group with fission the other day, all of which had over 9k hps.

This is obviously not true because it is not possible to oneshot people in pvp. Doesn't matter which class.Anyway, this topic is like beating a dead horse. Not worth the time.

You have obviously not seen this, as you sure as hell can 1 shot people. I've seen fission hit for 11k in pvp, I as an SK fully sta specced only have 11k. In the duels on BB docks the past couple of days I have been fissioned (or fussioned SMILEY) for 9k (which didnt kill me remarkably, but I didnt last long after) and a ice bolt for another 9k which did kill me as I had already taken dmg.

I loose more than I win against casters, generally due to manashield, debuffs and root spells. When dueling, I see scouts rip into casters, but not tanks (zerkers do well tho), yes we can do well, but it aint melee dmg thats doing it. So I would ask the OP to confirm/deny that tanks are included in his question.

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Old 03-18-2008, 07:59 AM   #11
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LaoShin wrote:
Death0Matic wrote:

Ok why is it that people even in master crafted gear can have 60+% resist to any given damage type yet even plate tanks solo in fabled gear might just make 60% melee resist?  But then again if you have fabled gear your spell resists are gonna be a [I cannot control my vocabulary] of alot more than your melee mitagation. 

Anyways, I pvp alot and play a caster type class. With over 460 spell casting and master spells it is a regular fight to roll up on a green con, lvl 72 and get 3-5 resists in a row.  Sony might think thats cool but then if that green con is a swash, brig, or any other melee class they hit my like i'm grey to them.  50% avoidance doesn't even seem to matter vs someone 8 levels below.  After a bunch of fights with every melee class green- even (80) it seems they rarely miss, even with auto attacks, more than 3 times the whole fight while most of the fights vs blues and even their hit rate is 100%.  And with the melee dps in T8 swash/brig can drop anyone is what 3-4 seconds? 

So my question is why is melee favored heavly in pvp over spell casting?

HAHA tell that to the wizzy who one shotted 3 people in my group with fission the other day, all of which had over 9k hps.

Im a monk with nearly 10k pvp kills and a Master title and I still have some really good fights against all kinds of mages, assuming they are a good pvper. I'm a firm believer that the player makes alot more difference than the class and gear.  I know alot of people who have OP toons who cannot fight there way out of a paper bag....FACT

IMO good pvpers who happen to play mages actually do very well for themselves and dont whine about it.  The problem is alot of not so good pvpers chose mages and then complain when they get spanked.  It is my opinion that they would also be mediocre at best with any melee class they chose 

You're a monk huh? How many interrupts/Knockbacks do you have? How long does it take for Warlocks and Wizards to cast something? I think you were slacking, becaus eyoue asily could've stopped him.

Please, a caster is not just a mana-shield using 2 nuke throwing Sorcerer. Get this out of your head. What about Summoners and Enchanters? You really can't whine about them....

Bruiser/Monk and Scouts equals pressign easy when you play EQ2....One priority, smash DPSing buttons.

Summoners/Enchanters/Even some healers pressing meium to hard because we can't just focus on button smashing. Otherwise you be be getting .5 second fights from people.

It's amazing how people honestly think that everyone who plays a Necro or Conjy are complete idiots because they can't win and those 2 or 3 good ones actualy know how to play. 2 or 3, out of how many now?

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Old 03-18-2008, 08:26 AM   #12
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1) If Melee classes missed 7 times in a row against a green, this forum would explode from the number of scouts logging on to cry. 2) If you yourself, let alone 2 other people let a wizard get fission off, you need to learn to play. 3) Defending casters by saying ONE caster class 1-shotted you because you can't play properly is amazingly stupid.
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HAHA tell that to the wizzy who one shotted 3 people in my group with fission the other day, all of which had over 9k hps.

This is obviously not true because it is not possible to oneshot people in pvp. Doesn't matter which class.Anyway, this topic is like beating a dead horse. Not worth the time.

I do not support one-shotting.

But Wizzys can oneshot nowadays... The only one that has oneshotted me has his mythical and I bet that was the case here. Fission crit plus spell double attack plus what is it freehand sorcery CAN oneshot other players... Sk's could back in the day and I still think Assassins can. Rangers can kinda. Double bow shot +crit +poison +dmg procs)

It happens...

 I'm sorry, but if you're stupid enough to stand in front of a wizzy for the 4 seconnd cast time of fission, then you deserve to get one shotted. And I have never been in a fight where any melee stands still half that long. Plus, since when does a wizzy not get stunned/interrupted long enough to cast it in the first place?

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HAHA tell that to the wizzy who one shotted 3 people in my group with fission the other day, all of which had over 9k hps.

This is obviously not true because it is not possible to oneshot people in pvp. Doesn't matter which class.Anyway, this topic is like beating a dead horse. Not worth the time.

I do not support one-shotting.

But Wizzys can oneshot nowadays... The only one that has oneshotted me has his mythical and I bet that was the case here. Fission crit plus spell double attack plus what is it freehand sorcery CAN oneshot other players... Sk's could back in the day and I still think Assassins can. Rangers can kinda. Double bow shot +crit +poison +dmg procs)

It happens...

 I'm sorry, but if you're stupid enough to stand in front of a wizzy for the 4 seconnd cast time of fission, then you deserve to get one shotted. And I have never been in a fight where any melee stands still half that long. Plus, since when does a wizzy not get stunned/interrupted long enough to cast it in the first place?

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I'm sorry, but if you're stupid enough to stand in front of a wizzy for the 4 seconnd cast time of fission, then you deserve to get one shotted. And I have never been in a fight where any melee stands still half that long. Plus, since when does a wizzy not get stunned/interrupted long enough to cast it in the first place?

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100% agree... Out on the open world if I see any mage trying to lit one up on me I either hit my inturrupt, mez, put up a huge ward, or get the [Removed for Content] back. I just know oneshotting first hand since in the glory hole has one nice advantage... The ability to test things on eachother.
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Old 03-18-2008, 09:44 AM   #16
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Dracot72 wrote:
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Ok why is it that people even in master crafted gear can have 60+% resist to any given damage type yet even plate tanks solo in fabled gear might just make 60% melee resist?  But then again if you have fabled gear your spell resists are gonna be a [I cannot control my vocabulary] of alot more than your melee mitagation. 

Anyways, I pvp alot and play a caster type class. With over 460 spell casting and master spells it is a regular fight to roll up on a green con, lvl 72 and get 3-5 resists in a row.  Sony might think thats cool but then if that green con is a swash, brig, or any other melee class they hit my like i'm grey to them.  50% avoidance doesn't even seem to matter vs someone 8 levels below.  After a bunch of fights with every melee class green- even (80) it seems they rarely miss, even with auto attacks, more than 3 times the whole fight while most of the fights vs blues and even their hit rate is 100%.  And with the melee dps in T8 swash/brig can drop anyone is what 3-4 seconds? 

So my question is why is melee favored heavly in pvp over spell casting?

Play a necro? 3-4 seconds? I think not....check this log out.

(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] YOU are critically hit by Sniper Arrow for 4838 crushing damage.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your stoneskin absorbed 412 points of damage!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You convert the force of the blow into pure mana, dispersing it among the group!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] YOU are hit for 0 poison damage.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] YOU are critically hit by Quick Shot for 479 crushing damage.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You were interrupted!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You are stunned!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your spell has been interrupted!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You send your pet in for the attack!(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Cheesehunter hits YOU for 835 crushing damage.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your magical shield begins to fade.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your favor begins to fade.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] The Mark of the Miasmic disappears.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] The power of the Lich begins to wane.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You can no longer see invisible.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Alas, Dracot has died from pain and suffering.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] The Undead Knight decays.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your good-natured Rhino departs.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Alas, Dracot's imp pack has died from pain and suffering.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Alas, Dracot's imp pack has died from pain and suffering.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Alas, Dracot's imp pack has died from pain and suffering.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your Pack of Imps return to their graves.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] An arbor giant's Pack of Imps return to their graves.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] An arbor giant no longer looks helpless.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] You are no longer stunned.(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Cheesehunter has killed you.

Good thing they tweaked things awhile back to make fights last longer or that battle would have been really fast...
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LOL the above post is both comedy and yet tragedy at the same time.

To the original poster - EQ2 does favor the scouts.  It's been that way for quite some time, and unfortunately it'll stay that way especially in PVP.  I'm a Warlock and have resigned my self to always rolling with a group.

See Scout players will say L2P and 'You should be with a group, and tank and etc and etc.'  while they roam freely solo, and they will say it with a straight face not understanding the great irony.

But I still have fun - although like the 3 second deaths I get routinely,  those are frustrating.

All classes can get 60+% resist across the board against all magic,  but the inverse is not true,  we cannot get anywhere near avoidance/mitigation against melee like that.  It is what it is.

Go look at the top PVP classes,  either Kill/death ratio,  or Titles,  or total kills,  or hell any of them.  You'll notice something everyone knows - wanna be top dog.  Go be a scout.

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Obviously you were not using any kinda of see stealth item. I play both a warlock and a ranger and sniper arrow's cast time is so long if you get hit with it you deserve to die. 90% of casters I see running solo never ever have any kind of see stealth on yet raise cane when a scout owns them. If you guys would use a totem and be aware of your environment I guarantee your success ratio against scouts would be a lot better.
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HAHA tell that to the wizzy who one shotted 3 people in my group with fission the other day, all of which had over 9k hps.

This is obviously not true because it is not possible to oneshot people in pvp. Doesn't matter which class.Anyway, this topic is like beating a dead horse. Not worth the time.

You have obviously not seen this, as you sure as hell can 1 shot people. I've seen fission hit for 11k in pvp, I as an SK fully sta specced only have 11k. In the duels on BB docks the past couple of days I have been fissioned (or fussioned SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />) for 9k (which didnt kill me remarkably, but I didnt last long after) and a ice bolt for another 9k which did kill me as I had already taken dmg.

I loose more than I win against casters, generally due to manashield, debuffs and root spells. When dueling, I see scouts rip into casters, but not tanks (zerkers do well tho), yes we can do well, but it aint melee dmg thats doing it. So I would ask the OP to confirm/deny that tanks are included in his question.

Ummm do you even know that ALL MAGE CLASSES DONT HAVE MANASHIELD??  Did we not read the log file i posted? that ios 6k+ dmg in less than 1 godamn second. There needs to be adressing done to NON MANASHIELDING MAGES.   I've had plenty tanks stunlock me/knockback long enough to kill me in under 5 seconds.  and sorry since our guardian on raids is parsing up with the scouts and mages, leads me to understand how they kill non manashield mages easily also.  Zerkers? forget it....last about 2 seocnds to a good zerker.
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Obviously you were not using any kinda of see stealth item. I play both a warlock and a ranger and sniper arrow's cast time is so long if you get hit with it you deserve to die. 90% of casters I see running solo never ever have any kind of see stealth on yet raise cane when a scout owns them. If you guys would use a totem and be aware of your environment I guarantee your success ratio against scouts would be a lot better.
I have 2 bags full of potions and totems, i DID see him coming, that prevents 100% nothing. It jsut shows what is about to happen. Play a necro in pvp b4 you spout out more BS. Pet didn't even have time to react read the log file.
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There's a Conjuror, I believe he's the leader of DoM, wearing 2 of the items that proc Dispersion.  Waaaaaay better than Manashield, in my opinion.  Look up the Sash of the Nathsar Tribe (I sold one about 15 minutes after putting it on the broker, very hot commodity).  Get a couple of those items and you'll be stuffing arrows down a Ranger's throat.  Just a suggestion.

And yes, I know there's a difference between caster types.

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There's a Conjuror, I believe he's the leader of DoM, wearing 2 of the items that proc Dispersion.  Waaaaaay better than Manashield, in my opinion.  Look up the Sash of the Nathsar Tribe (I sold one about 15 minutes after putting it on the broker, very hot commodity).  Get a couple of those items and you'll be stuffing arrows down a Ranger's throat.  Just a suggestion.

And yes, I know there's a difference between caster types.

I have 3 of those already bud, nice try though. Notice in my log "(1205621592)[Sat Mar 15 18:53:12 2008] Your stoneskin absorbed 412 points of damage!"  When you clik on my sig, its showing my raid setup gear atm since thats what i had on last night.  I have the sash i have the faction item from outter seb and the ear, its not the answer.

also conjurors get stoneskin as a abilitiy, so he gets more.

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Ummm .... ouch.  Sorry, thought I had a slam dunk on that one. SMILEY 
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:30 PM   #24
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Ummm .... ouch.  Sorry, thought I had a slam dunk on that one. SMILEY 
Trust me ive done every possible option.  There is only one small hope left.  Our mythical epic has some very nice effeects, not that they help our survivability any, but will increase our chances of a kill her and there.  A mythical pet summon, and splurt is a good thing, only trouble is on a pvp server clearing VP isn't going to be an easy thing as a freeport guild. Really sad how the developers ignore this when its all plain as day, losing more and more respect for them on a daily basis with all the BS they've implemented in the past updates and still ahven't addressed one thing to increase a necro surviving in or out of group.
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:53 PM   #25
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Obviously you were not using any kinda of see stealth item. I play both a warlock and a ranger and sniper arrow's cast time is so long if you get hit with it you deserve to die. 90% of casters I see running solo never ever have any kind of see stealth on yet raise cane when a scout owns them. If you guys would use a totem and be aware of your environment I guarantee your success ratio against scouts would be a lot better.
I have 2 bags full of potions and totems, i DID see him coming, that prevents 100% nothing. It jsut shows what is about to happen. Play a necro in pvp b4 you spout out more BS. Pet didn't even have time to react read the log file.

You DIDN'T SEE HIM COMING if he got off Sniper Shot. There is no possible way he could have got off Sniper Shot if you were paying attention. You could have run to him, run a circle around him, and finally cast your fastest spell before he got of Sniper Shot, IF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION!!! Sniper Shot has a very long casting time, and that Ranger would have to remain STEALTHED in order to use it.

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Old 03-18-2008, 02:56 PM   #26
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As for the Manashield debate, some of you really should talk to a Necromancer on Venekor who I fight one on one often. This guy knows his stuff, and Manashield is never a problem for him. What he lacks is the ability to do damage fast. Manashield isn't going to win you a fight against a smart player, it just isn't. Manashield is the easiest ability to overcome.

Melee are top dogs now. Bruisers, Beserkers, and even Guardians are putting out Brigand DPS. I've seen a Guardian ward/negate 9 of my spells I threw at him.

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Old 03-18-2008, 04:59 PM   #27
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I loose more than I win against casters, generally due to manashield, debuffs and root spells. When dueling, I see scouts rip into casters, but not tanks (zerkers do well tho), yes we can do well, but it aint melee dmg thats doing it. So I would ask the OP to confirm/deny that tanks are included in his question.

Ummm do you even know that ALL MAGE CLASSES DONT HAVE MANASHIELD??  Did we not read the log file i posted? that ios 6k+ dmg in less than 1 godamn second. There needs to be adressing done to NON MANASHIELDING MAGES.   I've had plenty tanks stunlock me/knockback long enough to kill me in under 5 seconds.  and sorry since our guardian on raids is parsing up with the scouts and mages, leads me to understand how they kill non manashield mages easily also.  Zerkers? forget it....last about 2 seocnds to a good zerker.

Well, if you removed your "My class is gimped" glasses for a second you would have noticed 2 things. First off I said generally, not all. Second off I'm an SK, I don't exactly get to fight necros very often. I believe you when you say your class is dire in pvp, but harping on about it in every post you make by bouncing off other peoples experiences won't help. Cheesehunter has taken me out in under 10 seconds numerous times, hes very good at what he does.

To add, a raid buffed MT is going to do great dps, hes has 23 people behind him, but that has no bearing on pvp whatsoever. Even if hes not MT raid buffs do wonders for tanks, my 1k dps solo  doubles when Im raid buffed and more so if I'm the one being hit.

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Old 03-18-2008, 07:25 PM   #28
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As a mage I run around with 7.9k health, by far the most I've ever seen a mage have. At the time of this log I had 7k, still a very large amount for a Mage. I still die in 1second:

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz hits YOU for 1747 slashing damage.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz tries to zap YOU with Taunting Blow, but YOU resist.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] YOUR noxious reprieve absorbs 246 points of damage from being done to YOURSELF.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz's caustic poison hits YOU but fails to inflict any damage.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] YOUR Convulsions critically hits Boomz for 1130 mental damage.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz convulses in agony!

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz critically hits YOU for 2446 slashing damage.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] There is no eligible target for this spell.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz's Uncanny Thrusts critically hits YOU for 853 slashing damage.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] YOUR Convulsions hits Boomz for 916 mental damage.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz convulses in agony!

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz's Uncanny Thrusts critically hits YOU for 878 slashing damage.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] YOUR Convulsions hits Boomz for 1107 mental damage.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz convulses in agony!

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] YOUR Tyrannical Mind hits Boomz for 233 mental damage.

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(1205877264)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] There is no eligible target for this spell.

(1205877264)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz's Eye Point hits YOU for 999 slashing damage.

(1205877264)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Your magical shield begins to fade.

(1205877264)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] The power fades from your body.

Even had I had 7.9k at that point, so what? Great I got to live another second!

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Old 03-18-2008, 08:17 PM   #29
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As a mage I run around with 7.9k health, by far the most I've ever seen a mage have. At the time of this log I had 7k, still a very large amount for a Mage. I still die in 1second:

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz hits YOU for 1747 slashing damage.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz tries to zap YOU with Taunting Blow, but YOU resist.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] YOUR noxious reprieve absorbs 246 points of damage from being done to YOURSELF.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz's caustic poison hits YOU but fails to inflict any damage.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] YOUR Convulsions critically hits Boomz for 1130 mental damage.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz convulses in agony!

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] Boomz critically hits YOU for 2446 slashing damage.

(1205877262)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:22 2008] There is no eligible target for this spell.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz's Uncanny Thrusts critically hits YOU for 853 slashing damage.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] YOUR Convulsions hits Boomz for 916 mental damage.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz convulses in agony!

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz's Uncanny Thrusts critically hits YOU for 878 slashing damage.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] YOUR Convulsions hits Boomz for 1107 mental damage.

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz convulses in agony!

(1205877263)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] YOUR Tyrannical Mind hits Boomz for 233 mental damage.

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(1205877264)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] There is no eligible target for this spell.

(1205877264)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Boomz's Eye Point hits YOU for 999 slashing damage.

(1205877264)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] Your magical shield begins to fade.

(1205877264)[Tue Mar 18 21:54:23 2008] The power fades from your body.

Even had I had 7.9k at that point, so what? Great I got to live another second!

Sounds like Boomz really KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING!
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:34 PM   #30
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Obviously you were not using any kinda of see stealth item. I play both a warlock and a ranger and sniper arrow's cast time is so long if you get hit with it you deserve to die. 90% of casters I see running solo never ever have any kind of see stealth on yet raise cane when a scout owns them. If you guys would use a totem and be aware of your environment I guarantee your success ratio against scouts would be a lot better.
I have 2 bags full of potions and totems, i DID see him coming, that prevents 100% nothing. It jsut shows what is about to happen. Play a necro in pvp b4 you spout out more BS. Pet didn't even have time to react read the log file.

especally the part about losing See Invis, you know Last I checked you have to have it active, to lose it, as such the log proves that you had some form of see invis up.

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