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Old 06-10-2008, 08:05 PM   #1
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Due to recent findings I felt that his needed to be shared. No Matter what level, Brigand CA's, with the exception of the Double throw line, that have a Status effect on them (IE. Root, Stun) Even if the damage part was Parried or Misses, The status still hits. This includes Clock, and the low blow line. How is this balanced? Thats like saying a spell like Bolt of Ice would still have the Knockback and stun even if resisted. I was hitting Level 80's with a 35 Brigand with all the status effects even though it said "Missed" or "Parried".
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Old 06-11-2008, 12:50 AM   #2
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If this is infact true then it needs to be changed. None of my (Troubador) skills do that. I'd love to have those status effects work on a miss.
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Old 06-11-2008, 03:32 AM   #3
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Due to recent findings I felt that his needed to be shared. No Matter what level, Brigand CA's, with the exception of the Double throw line, that have a Status effect on them (IE. Root, Stun) Even if the damage part was Parried or Misses, The status still hits. This includes Clock, and the low blow line. How is this balanced? Thats like saying a spell like Bolt of Ice would still have the Knockback and stun even if resisted. I was hitting Level 80's with a 35 Brigand with all the status effects even though it said "Missed" or "Parried".

When my Ranger arts miss, or are parried I don't get the secondary effects. God I wish I did, you don't know how many times I've needed my snares, and didn't get them. Especially on Leg Shot.

A Brigands CAs are so powerful, anyone can make them look good. http://files.filefront.com/Darkor+E...;/fileinfo.html

I do hope developers take a good look at these Brigand videos and sees just how easy it is to play them with how overpowered their combat arts are. It's just too silly anymore. What's worse is their T8 damage seems to have doubled from what it was in T7. It's doesn't suprise me to see the Brigand population double lately. Even old Brigand names are dusting off, and showing up in T7, and T8 now.

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Old 06-11-2008, 04:24 AM   #4
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Don't hold your breath for a change .. is my new motto.

take my response with a grain of salt.

Seeing as i just got worked over several time today by scouts. but i believe you .

The truth is, the population has gone down to the point where server licencing and the cost of maintaining this game has exceeded the revenue.

the investment in LoN didnt pay off . And the purchase of Vanguard broke the bank .

That and their fall back plan of selling sun tan lotion to the Eskimos failed.

This is all due to a mistake they made when hiring a new  lead developer.

By accident they hired an inflatable doll , left behind from the staff Xmass party. 

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Old 06-11-2008, 05:01 AM   #5
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Don't hold your breath for a change .. is my new motto.

take my response with a grain of salt.

Seeing as i just got worked over several time today by scouts. but i believe you .

The truth is, the population has gone down to the point where server licencing and the cost of maintaining this game has exceeded the revenue.

the investment in LoN didnt pay off . And the purchase of Vanguard broke the bank .

That and their fall back plan of selling sun tan lotion to the Eskimos failed.

This is all due to a mistake they made when hiring a new  lead developer.

By accident they hired an inflatable doll , left behind from the staff Xmass party. 

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Old 06-11-2008, 05:01 AM   #6
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Sightless wrote:

 It's doesn't suprise me to see the Brigand population double lately.

Not saying the data is true or false. But, my brigand has a much worse death vs kill count than my assassin or fury. Go figure. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time I won a fight on my Brigand. On the other hand, I also can't remember the last time I had a 1 vs 1 fight either.
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Old 06-11-2008, 05:08 AM   #7
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Spyder, most complains about brigands are related to tier 8 brigands, which you are not. I mean they are powerful throughout the tiers, but at T8 it really gets ridiculous. So posting about how bad your brigand sucks in every thread does not bring much to the table tbh... To the OP: If that is true, it is probably a bug that desserves a fix. If it is true and not a bug, well ... lol ?
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Old 06-11-2008, 05:08 AM   #8
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Can you honestly admit to trying to learn your class to PvP. If your doing bad on a brigand then you may want to look into something else, and my personal view is lower tiers don't count for balance due to till 50's Furies are gods, in the 50s you get the Ancient Teachings which tend to be the true class defining abilities that make the class what they are.
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Old 06-11-2008, 11:49 AM   #9
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[email protected] wrote:

Don't hold your breath for a change .. is my new motto.

take my response with a grain of salt.

Seeing as i just got worked over several time today by scouts. but i believe you .

The truth is, the population has gone down to the point where server licencing and the cost of maintaining this game has exceeded the revenue.

the investment in LoN didnt pay off . And the purchase of Vanguard broke the bank .

That and their fall back plan of selling sun tan lotion to the Eskimos failed.

This is all due to a mistake they made when hiring a new  lead developer.

By accident they hired an inflatable doll , left behind from the staff Xmass party. 

That was no accident, remember this is SOE we are dealing with.Plus everybody agrees EQ2 needs CHANGE.Hey she needed the job after going 15 million in debt over some primary thing.And it's not like an inflatable Hilary could do any worse than the lone SOE PVP dev.
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Old 06-11-2008, 12:35 PM   #10
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I thought you canceled your account vile?
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Old 06-11-2008, 03:01 PM   #11
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 It's doesn't suprise me to see the Brigand population double lately.

Not saying the data is true or false. But, my brigand has a much worse death vs kill count than my assassin or fury. Go figure. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time I won a fight on my Brigand. On the other hand, I also can't remember the last time I had a 1 vs 1 fight either.
Its true, and I know its been since nagafen came online. Before that I dont know if that is how it worked. Didnt bother with it back then. SMILEYAnd I can understand why it works like that for pve. I mean, brigs were the no 1 debuffers, their [Removed for Content] had to land so everyone elses could land. If it kept missing, that would be sortof a bad thing. SMILEYPvP is a different story though.
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Old 06-11-2008, 03:42 PM   #12
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Can you honestly admit to trying to learn your class to PvP. If your doing bad on a brigand then you may want to look into something else...
Seriously, if this guy cant pvp a Brigand, he aint going to be able to pvp any class.
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Old 06-11-2008, 04:04 PM   #13
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Old 06-11-2008, 04:11 PM   #14
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Spyder, most complains about brigands are related to tier 8 brigands, which you are not. I mean they are powerful throughout the tiers, but at T8 it really gets ridiculous. So posting about how bad your brigand sucks in every thread does not bring much to the table tbh...
I understand that. However, won't any change made to the Brigand class effect Brigands across all the tiers? So, why should those of us in the lower tiers just "hush up" when the nerfs being proposed to "fix" Brigands in T8 will also nerf us?If you were discussing a specific spell, that only exists in T8, then I would agree that
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Old 06-11-2008, 04:21 PM   #15
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 It's doesn't suprise me to see the Brigand population double lately.

Not saying the data is true or false. But, my brigand has a much worse death vs kill count than my assassin or fury. Go figure. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time I won a fight on my Brigand. On the other hand, I also can't remember the last time I had a 1 vs 1 fight either.
Its true, and I know its been since nagafen came online. Before that I dont know if that is how it worked. Didnt bother with it back then. SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />And I can understand why it works like that for pve. I mean, brigs were the no 1 debuffers, their [I cannot control my vocabulary] had to land so everyone elses could land. If it kept missing, that would be sortof a bad thing. SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />PvP is a different story though.

Fun fact...it doesn't work like that in PvE.  If I miss/parry/resist (roots get resisted) a CA the debuff portions do not get applied as well.

I wish it did work like it does in PvP...I would never die soloing again.

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Old 06-11-2008, 05:35 PM   #16
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Spyder, most complains about brigands are related to tier 8 brigands, which you are not. I mean they are powerful throughout the tiers, but at T8 it really gets ridiculous. So posting about how bad your brigand sucks in every thread does not bring much to the table tbh...
I understand that. However, won't any change made to the Brigand class effect Brigands across all the tiers? So, why should those of us in the lower tiers just "hush up" when the nerfs being proposed to "fix" Brigands in T8 will also nerf us?If you were discussing a specific spell, that only exists in T8, then I would agree that i really hate to say this, but upgrade from the app 1s and crappy handcrafted gear that you using. My level 31 brig was ripping people into shreds and that was before the mastercrafted weapons changed to uber status they are now. and yes if the secondary effects are hitting when a combat art is parried, riposte, deflected, dodged, or resisted, then this is broken and needs fixed. i know my zerker and conjy dont get those effects if they miss/resisted. Gotta say this is pretty concerning to me that a person on the influencer program does not know how basic combat works SMILEY
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 It's doesn't suprise me to see the Brigand population double lately.

Not saying the data is true or false. But, my brigand has a much worse death vs kill count than my assassin or fury. Go figure. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time I won a fight on my Brigand. On the other hand, I also can't remember the last time I had a 1 vs 1 fight either.
Its true, and I know its been since nagafen came online. Before that I dont know if that is how it worked. Didnt bother with it back then. SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />And I can understand why it works like that for pve. I mean, brigs were the no 1 debuffers, their [I cannot control my vocabulary] had to land so everyone elses could land. If it kept missing, that would be sortof a bad thing. SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />PvP is a different story though.

Fun fact...it doesn't work like that in PvE.  If I miss/parry/resist (roots get resisted) a CA the debuff portions do not get applied as well.

I wish it did work like it does in PvP...I would never die soloing again.

Oh really? Odd. SMILEYWell, that goes to show that Im here for pvp and dont care much for pve.
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Seriously tho, when the [Removed for Content] does a brigan miss.  I've fought many with rez sickness on them unbuffed (no +melee stance up) and 99% of the time they hit everytime the other 1% they might miss 1 auto attack. 

Roll a caster and 50% of the time your spell gets resisted everytime even with 500 casting skills and fighting a green con.

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I've seen many many fights with brigands missing up to 50% of their attacks.Vs Monks, Vs Bruisers, Vs Players with Uncontested avoidanceThe question is, do the status effects still land if the the hit was stoneskinned?
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I've seen many many fights with brigands missing up to 50% of their attacks.Vs Monks, Vs Bruisers, Vs Players with Uncontested avoidanceThe question is, do the status effects still land if the the hit was stoneskinned?
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Old 06-14-2008, 08:55 PM   #21
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It's threads like this that make you wonder; "Are developers reading these threads, have they seen this one?"
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Old 06-14-2008, 09:45 PM   #22
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Well if you take into play what gnorbin will often say to someone reporting it on a forum, i'd say most likely the PvP devs don't read this forum. He Always advises to /bug the issue so it gets to the dev team, never do you see him say post here if you have problems. Take a look at the troub charm thread for what he said.Not saying you can't bring it to the attention of the community by posting on the forums, but if you do, make sure to /bug the issue as well.
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