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Old 12-24-2010, 11:22 PM   #1
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what, if anything,  overwrites what during the actual fight?

Used to be several spells just overwrote the other,  limiting damage to one or

the other but not both.  I've forgotten what, and will eventually line them up at the target dummy and test, but thought to ask here for those who know.

There also have been rumors of a change on that issue over the years.    Anyone know offhand?

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Old 12-25-2010, 07:32 PM   #2
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I am fairly confident about the following info....if someone has tested first hand and learned otherwise please correct me

All our DoT spells should stack on mobs now.  Storming Tempest and Hailstorm for example used to give issue but, I am pretty sure all our DPS spells are doubling okay.

Not sure about Ice Shield...it should stack though.

Frigid Gift proc does not over-write but it does not stack, you can only get 1 frigid gift (ice lash) proc per spell.

Our Hate Xfer/Power regen does not stack, and I am pretty certain our Ro's Blade proc doesn't double up if 2 are placed on someone.  This is also the same with Warlocks and our class regarding these similar buffs.

Group buffs don't stack

Fiery Blast used to have issues but last time I had a wizard in my raid, the problem was resolved.

The damage portion of our debuff (icy spears) should stack but I am quite certain the debuff value does not stack.

Hope this helps some (hope its accurate too).  I don't have a wizard in my raids nor have I had a secondary full-time one in..a long time.

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Old 12-25-2010, 07:38 PM   #3
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Ice Spears if cast at exactly the wrong time will fail to cast with a "Would Not Apply" (or whatever the game says).  But you can almost always cast it a second later, so I'm not sure it's simply a matter of "won't stack". 

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Old 12-27-2010, 03:51 AM   #4
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Ice Spears if cast at exactly the wrong time will fail to cast with a "Would Not Apply" (or whatever the game says).  But you can almost always cast it a second later, so I'm not sure it's simply a matter of "won't stack". 

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this is from using lower quality or lower tier spells.

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Old 12-27-2010, 04:23 AM   #5
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[email protected] DLere wrote:

this is from using lower quality or lower tier spells.

Normally I'd agree with you.  But in this case, it's T9, Mastered, and fully AA'd. I don't think it's possible for the other Wizard to have a 'better' Ice Spears than mine.  (Unless there's an enhancement that I'm overlooking). 

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Old 12-29-2010, 03:53 PM   #6
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[email protected] wrote:

I am fairly confident about the following info....if someone has tested first hand and learned otherwise please correct me

Hope this helps some (hope its accurate too).  I don't have a wizard in my raids nor have I had a secondary full-time one in..a long time.

I agree with all you wrote, as I'd pretested most of it.  BTW,  Iceshields stack.

What prompted the question is this:   Our normal playgroup is  Paladin, Defiler,  3 mages (Illy, Wiz, Warlock) and a Fury.

Most fights are single healer, so the Fury goes to Offensive stance and blazes away.   The merits of having a 2nd healer/emergency rezzer on standby are self evident in the hard zones, however.

The fury also has a wizard on the account, so thinking to boost the DPS for some of the DPS tests in the game (think ZUA) we swapped the 2nd wiz in for the fury.   Sure enough,  her wizard beat her fury handily, by about 8K on the parse.   However, the regular wizard dropped 7K, so the net group  DPS gain was minimal.    Since we'd done several pretests with the training dummy to check overwrites,  and staggered the Frigid Gifts to not overlap, we were surprised.  We repeated the test 3 different days, with about identical results.

The main wizard still did better DPS than the new one, due to gear and spell levels, but no longer topped the Warlock, who did not suffer any loss of DPS.     The notion that the Fury being absent somehow caused the main wizard to drop doesn't wash with the warlock DPS not dropping very much.   (Lucidity was on both wiz and warlock,  and Fae Fire affects them both equally). 

So the current guess is something is overwriting between the wizards, and pending a more exhaustive session at the training dummy, I thought to ask here.

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Old 12-29-2010, 04:03 PM   #7
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[email protected] DLere wrote:

this is from using lower quality or lower tier spells.

Normally I'd agree with you.  But in this case, it's T9, Mastered, and fully AA'd. I don't think it's possible for the other Wizard to have a 'better' Ice Spears than mine.  (Unless there's an enhancement that I'm overlooking). 

I'd guess it was a warning that the debuff part of the spell would not do anything. 

I've tested the damage part, and both wizards get credit for their respective damage, at whatever level their spell is.

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Old 12-30-2010, 02:06 PM   #8
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There are 2 AA's that enhance Icy Spears.  I am not sure if those enhancements cause the game to view one as 'higher tier' or 'superior' but you could always look into that.  One increases the DoT dmg component tick and the other increases the debuff amount.

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