BG gear is ruining PvE...

Lucyd · 08-02-2010, 05:41 PM

This stuff is just way too good. It shouldn't work in PvE at all or at least PvE'ers should be given an option to obtain gear that is just as good. Now I'm sure someone will say, go raid and get gear that is better for PvE anyway... But therein lies the conundrum..

I'm sure someone will say but you need crit mit for PvE and BG gear doesn't have that. However neither does pre-raid gear either. There are only 3 armor pieces that have any. Instance gear doesn't have any either. So the best option remains get your 3 armor pieces from marks and then bg for the rest of your gear.

Jumping right to raiding may or may not be an option. If 2 people apply for a spot in a raid guild... One who has the 3 armor pieces with x amount of crit mit and the rest fabled bg gear and does 30k+ dps right off the bat... the second has the 3 armor pieces and legendary gear from instances and does 15k dps... who are you going to take? Both have the same crit mit but one performs twice as well.

We should not have to PvP to compete in PvE. There needs to be better options to get gear for people who only want to PvE. Or just disable PvP gear completely in PvE. Many of us have no interest in BG's and find them to be quite boring.

Grumble69 · 08-02-2010, 05:50 PM

Are you whining about pre-raid gear?

EQ_Irving · 08-02-2010, 05:53 PM

Are you complaining that PvE is too hard for those of us who do not participate in the Battlegrounds and thus choose not to obtain the rewards from there?

Or are you complaining that others, who choose to participate and get the gear, are somehow ruining the PvE experience for the rest of us?

Because either way, I think you're wrong.

Lucyd · 08-02-2010, 05:57 PM

Just saying that I don't think it is fair that those who only want to PvE have to have anything at all to do with PvP to compete with other players at PvE.

Rick777 · 08-02-2010, 05:59 PM

It's not pre-raid gear, it's raid gear, the stats are just a hair under T1 raid armor, and at least on my healer armor has all the SAME effects such as the 1k ward proc on the pants for example, same resists, etc., just missing some potency, a red adorn slot and the crit mit. It will easily get you into the first couple of encounters in Palace, Toxx and Labs where crit mit isn't a big deal and let you start farming T1 raid armor which will give you the crit mit to go to the next raiding step.

BTW to the OP, you don't need crit mit for regular group zones.

Wurm · 08-02-2010, 06:02 PM

There needs to be a full T2 mark set with stats for those of us who have no interest in BGs. I don't want the BG gear nerfed, but only having 3 pieces of the mark armor having stats is BS of the highest order.

EQ_Irving · 08-02-2010, 06:05 PM

[email protected] wrote:

Just saying that I don't think it is fair that those who only want to PvE have to have anything at all to do with PvP to compete with other players at PvE.

Then again, you're wrong. My guildmates and I happily and successfully PvE every night without ever touching a Battleground or its rewards.

To argue that PvE is somehow too hard without BG gear is absurd.

Yimway · 08-02-2010, 06:12 PM

[email protected] Bayle wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
Just saying that I don't think it is fair that those who only want to PvE have to have anything at all to do with PvP to compete with other players at PvE.
Then again, you're wrong. My guildmates and I happily and successfully PvE every night without ever touching a Battleground or its rewards.

To his point, are you wearing any raid gear?

Onorem · 08-02-2010, 06:13 PM

BG gear is easy enough to get with minimal effort. If it's that much of an advantage, then I'm sorry for the raid. Show them that you know your class, and they should give you a chance.

Thunndar316 · 08-02-2010, 06:15 PM

Similar gear with the same effects would be fair. If people wanna PVP their brains out got for it. I have no interest in it but I should be able to get similar gear minus the toughness aspect.

Maroger · 08-02-2010, 06:19 PM

Thunndar316 wrote:

Similar gear with the same effects would be fair. If people wanna PVP their brains out got for it. I have no interest in it but I should be able to get similar gear minus the toughness aspect.

I would agree - BG's were a disater for PVE and as I believe SmokeJumper said - they so far have not justified the development effort and time they involved.

EQ_Irving · 08-02-2010, 06:23 PM

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] Bayle wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
Just saying that I don't think it is fair that those who only want to PvE have to have anything at all to do with PvP to compete with other players at PvE.
Then again, you're wrong. My guildmates and I happily and successfully PvE every night without ever touching a Battleground or its rewards.
To his point, are you wearing any raid gear?

No. Not a raider here. I wear mastercrafted.

Lucyd · 08-02-2010, 06:43 PM

Thunndar316 wrote:

Similar gear with the same effects would be fair. If people wanna PVP their brains out got for it. I have no interest in it but I should be able to get similar gear minus the toughness aspect.

this was my point. Don't think for a moment that I don't think current group content isn't a joke, cause it is. My sk can solo instance trash and have even 2 boxed a few of the easier nameds. The point is when competing for a spot in a group or a raid team someone should be able to achieve equivalent levels of power by doing nothing but PvE. And I mean before raiding, if PvP'ers don't have to raid to achieve that we shouldn't either.

Lemilla · 08-02-2010, 06:54 PM

Wurm wrote:

There needs to be a full T2 mark set with stats for those of us who have no interest in BGs. I don't want the BG gear nerfed, but only having 3 pieces of the mark armor having stats is BS of the highest order.

Those sets are complete, with all 7 pieces. It's just that only 3 of those pieces can be bought, while the other 4 are drops in the instances. They added pieces for those slots without stats for an easier way to complete the appearance set.

Tyrus Dracofire · 08-02-2010, 07:01 PM

i have lvl 85 BG and it isnt that good as much as T2 void shard armors.

there better ones from The Hole.

Lucyd · 08-02-2010, 07:06 PM

not talking about 85 bg armor or void shard armor... am talking about 90 bg armor vs. the measly 3 pieces of armor a lvl 90 can get with marks. And the jewelry from instances or marks is nowhere near as good as bg jewelry. Not in effects, blue stats, resists, or raw stats.

Just saying many PvE'ers would like to do only that, PvE. And not feel gimped for not doing PvP.

Umub · 08-02-2010, 07:34 PM

[email protected] wrote:

Thunndar316 wrote:
Similar gear with the same effects would be fair. If people wanna PVP their brains out got for it. I have no interest in it but I should be able to get similar gear minus the toughness aspect.
this was my point. Don't think for a moment that I don't think current group content isn't a joke, cause it is. My sk can solo instance trash and have even 2 boxed a few of the easier nameds. The point is when competing for a spot in a group or a raid team someone should be able to achieve equivalent levels of power by doing nothing but PvE. And I mean before raiding, if PvP'ers don't have to raid to achieve that we shouldn't either.

I think is a very big stretch to say that BG gear is ruining PVE. Personally, I do both BGs and PVE and enjoy both. But I wear a mix of both BG and PVE gear.

For jewelry, instance legendary and fabled PVE gear is better than BG gear. The BG jewelry just isn't that great for PVE compared to what you can get from instances and even what can be bought from the broker.

Weapons are a mixed bag, but I would give a slight edge to the BG swords (for my ranger anyway) compared to the mark swords and instance drops. But the difference isn't that great.

If you look at the T2 Mark items (boots, wrists, shoulders), the Mark gear is quite a bit better in blue stats and the BG gear is quite a bit better in green stats and a little better mitigation. For PVE, the blue stats including crit mit and a yellow adornment slot are more important. So for 3 of the 7 pieces of armor, the PVE gear is better and easily obtained through just PVE.

The other 4 pieces are a mixed bag. There is a quest chest piece and inistance chests pieces that are quite close to the BG gear in blue stats but still behind. There are some legs instance pieces that are on par for blue stats with BG legs but still behind on green stats. The same is true for helms unless you are lucky enough to get the fabled non-raid helm (at least for scouts) which is better for raiding than the BG helm. However, for hands, the BG gear wins for sure. The instance and faction hands from PVE just plain suck. I don't think this is a problem with the BG gear, but with the PVE gear. We need instance hands that have haste (attack speed)!

So while BG armor is better for 3 or 4 of the 7 pieces, the disparity isn't huge and instance gear wins out in all of the other slots.

Guy De Alsace · 08-02-2010, 07:50 PM

Its a shame you get better rewards beating the crud out of each other than you do actually grouping up and helping each other out in instances.

Plus it drags even more people from the live servers.

Crismorn · 08-02-2010, 07:58 PM

You want bg gear? BG

You want heroic gear? Do heroic zones

You want the best gear? Raid

You want better heroic gear? Then ask for harder heroic content

Dreadpatch · 08-02-2010, 07:59 PM

I don't agree with nerfing BG gear at all, but to the OP's point the mark gear should be better than it is. As it stand now, it is total garbage (cept for maybe the shoulders). It could also provide a minimal amount of crit mit for those that want to start raiding a bit. It wouldn't hurt anything and would be pretty reasonable.

Eritius · 08-02-2010, 11:12 PM

BG gear is a good set to start out with. Its better then heroic gear to start raiding with, but then again its also a bit of a grind in comparison. I run both and use whatever pieces from BG to fill in the gaps. Thats pretty much all its good for.

Chakos · 08-02-2010, 11:56 PM

[email protected] wrote:

This stuff is just way too good. It shouldn't work in PvE at all or at least PvE'ers should be given an option to obtain gear that is just as good. Now I'm sure someone will say, go raid and get gear that is better for PvE anyway... But therein lies the conundrum..
I'm sure someone will say but you need crit mit for PvE and BG gear doesn't have that. However neither does pre-raid gear either. There are only 3 armor pieces that have any. Instance gear doesn't have any either. So the best option remains get your 3 armor pieces from marks and then bg for the rest of your gear.
Jumping right to raiding may or may not be an option. If 2 people apply for a spot in a raid guild... One who has the 3 armor pieces with x amount of crit mit and the rest fabled bg gear and does 30k+ dps right off the bat... the second has the 3 armor pieces and legendary gear from instances and does 15k dps... who are you going to take? Both have the same crit mit but one performs twice as well.
We should not have to PvP to compete in PvE. There needs to be better options to get gear for people who only want to PvE. Or just disable PvP gear completely in PvE. Many of us have no interest in BG's and find them to be quite boring.

You have that option: BGs, same as every single person, on every single server, has the option to. Saying you should not have to pvp (BGs is not real pvp, but let's allow it) to get the pvp gear is the same as saying you shouldnt have to raid to get raid gear.

Bottom line, if you want the gear, either raid or BGs gear, then you either raid or play BGs. If you dont want to do either, then you get what you allow yourself to get. Simple.

Chakos · 08-03-2010, 12:01 AM

Crismorn wrote:

You want bg gear? BG
You want heroic gear? Do heroic zones
You want the best gear? Raid
You want better heroic gear? Then ask for harder heroic content

I don't often agree with you, though I don't really feed your posts to point it out lol, but this is perfectly stated.

Alenna · 08-03-2010, 12:21 AM

Chakos wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
This stuff is just way too good. It shouldn't work in PvE at all or at least PvE'ers should be given an option to obtain gear that is just as good. Now I'm sure someone will say, go raid and get gear that is better for PvE anyway... But therein lies the conundrum..
I'm sure someone will say but you need crit mit for PvE and BG gear doesn't have that. However neither does pre-raid gear either. There are only 3 armor pieces that have any. Instance gear doesn't have any either. So the best option remains get your 3 armor pieces from marks and then bg for the rest of your gear.
Jumping right to raiding may or may not be an option. If 2 people apply for a spot in a raid guild... One who has the 3 armor pieces with x amount of crit mit and the rest fabled bg gear and does 30k+ dps right off the bat... the second has the 3 armor pieces and legendary gear from instances and does 15k dps... who are you going to take? Both have the same crit mit but one performs twice as well.
We should not have to PvP to compete in PvE. There needs to be better options to get gear for people who only want to PvE. Or just disable PvP gear completely in PvE. Many of us have no interest in BG's and find them to be quite boring.
You have that option: BGs, same as every single person, on every single server, has the option to. Saying you should not have to pvp (BGs is not real pvp, but let's allow it) to get the pvp gear is the same as saying you shouldnt have to raid to get raid gear.
Bottom line, if you want the gear, either raid or BGs gear, then you either raid or play BGs. If you dont want to do either, then you get what you allow yourself to get. Simple.

What they are saying is they shouldn't have to PvP to get good PvE gear there should be an option to get something just as good for PvE as the BG armour seems to be which is better then the mark that is supposed to get you into the lower raid zones.

Landiin · 08-03-2010, 12:47 AM

They want people to play BG. A F'n ton of people only play BG to get gear they can not get doing PvE instances. I agree there needs to be mark gear that mirrors the BG gear but with CritMit on it.

Trevalon · 08-03-2010, 12:51 AM

as someone who has an extreme hatred for any MMO pvp since DAOC, I can say knowing that when my Swashie hits 90 I will have to pvp in order to get into PVE raids makes my stomach sick.

Mark gear should be just as good as BG gear and provide crit mit...

Notsovilepriest · 08-03-2010, 02:09 AM

You guys realize that you can do entry level raiding in MC because the first few mobs in each zone don't crit right?

Morghus · 08-03-2010, 02:20 AM

Trevalon wrote:

Mark gear should be just as good as BG gear and provide crit mit...

I don't think it will be done unless the amount of marks needed is drastically increased. Current mark gear is average legendary quality, while the BG gear is currently fabled and similar statistics wise to Sentinel's Fate T2 raid armor. As said earlier in this thread, BG gear essentially is a form of raid gear stat-wise. Is it really any wonder why you see some people wearing it as their primary set of armor?

Corydonn · 08-03-2010, 02:20 AM

Raiding guilds usually look for players with some talent and good personalities, Not BG gear.

Wurm · 08-03-2010, 02:31 AM

[email protected] wrote:

Wurm wrote:
There needs to be a full T2 mark set with stats for those of us who have no interest in BGs. I don't want the BG gear nerfed, but only having 3 pieces of the mark armor having stats is BS of the highest order.
Those sets are complete, with all 7 pieces. It's just that only 3 of those pieces can be bought, while the other 4 are drops in the instances. They added pieces for those slots without stats for an easier way to complete the appearance set.

Thats not true, most of the instance dropped items don't come anywhere near to the BG fabled or the Mark T2, I know I'm wearing a lot of them.

Running instances for gear wasn't the point, the point was we should have full sets of stat-ed items to purchase for our marks to balance out the availability of BG fabled.

And I'd rather save up my marks to pay the 220 for a fabled instance item than waste them on appearance slot items.

08-02-2010, 05:53 PM	#3
EQ_Irving Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 137	Are you complaining that PvE is too hard for those of us who do not participate in the Battlegrounds and thus choose not to obtain the rewards from there? Or are you complaining that others, who choose to participate and get the gear, are somehow ruining the PvE experience for the rest of us? Because either way, I think you're wrong. __________________

08-02-2010, 06:02 PM	#6
Wurm Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	There needs to be a full T2 mark set with stats for those of us who have no interest in BGs. I don't want the BG gear nerfed, but only having 3 pieces of the mark armor having stats is BS of the highest order. __________________

08-02-2010, 06:05 PM	#7
EQ_Irving Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 137	[email protected] wrote: Just saying that I don't think it is fair that those who only want to PvE have to have anything at all to do with PvP to compete with other players at PvE. Then again, you're wrong. My guildmates and I happily and successfully PvE every night without ever touching a Battleground or its rewards. To argue that PvE is somehow too hard without BG gear is absurd. __________________

08-02-2010, 06:12 PM	#8
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	[email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: Just saying that I don't think it is fair that those who only want to PvE have to have anything at all to do with PvP to compete with other players at PvE. Then again, you're wrong. My guildmates and I happily and successfully PvE every night without ever touching a Battleground or its rewards. To his point, are you wearing any raid gear? __________________

08-02-2010, 06:13 PM	#9
Onorem Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,155	BG gear is easy enough to get with minimal effort. If it's that much of an advantage, then I'm sorry for the raid. Show them that you know your class, and they should give you a chance. __________________ _________________________________ "EQ2 is not a "free to play" game, so microtransactions are unlikely to ever have the "front seat" role that they have in F2P games" - SmokeJumper - 4/20/2010

08-02-2010, 05:41 PM	#1
Lucyd Server: Crushbone Guild: Heritage Rank: Alternate Lorekeeper Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 21	This stuff is just way too good. It shouldn't work in PvE at all or at least PvE'ers should be given an option to obtain gear that is just as good. Now I'm sure someone will say, go raid and get gear that is better for PvE anyway... But therein lies the conundrum.. I'm sure someone will say but you need crit mit for PvE and BG gear doesn't have that. However neither does pre-raid gear either. There are only 3 armor pieces that have any. Instance gear doesn't have any either. So the best option remains get your 3 armor pieces from marks and then bg for the rest of your gear. Jumping right to raiding may or may not be an option. If 2 people apply for a spot in a raid guild... One who has the 3 armor pieces with x amount of crit mit and the rest fabled bg gear and does 30k+ dps right off the bat... the second has the 3 armor pieces and legendary gear from instances and does 15k dps... who are you going to take? Both have the same crit mit but one performs twice as well. We should not have to PvP to compete in PvE. There needs to be better options to get gear for people who only want to PvE. Or just disable PvP gear completely in PvE. Many of us have no interest in BG's and find them to be quite boring.

08-02-2010, 05:50 PM	#2
Grumble69 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,257	Are you whining about pre-raid gear?

08-02-2010, 05:57 PM	#4
Lucyd Server: Crushbone Guild: Heritage Rank: Alternate Lorekeeper Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 21	Just saying that I don't think it is fair that those who only want to PvE have to have anything at all to do with PvP to compete with other players at PvE.

08-02-2010, 05:59 PM	#5
Rick777 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 720	It's not pre-raid gear, it's raid gear, the stats are just a hair under T1 raid armor, and at least on my healer armor has all the SAME effects such as the 1k ward proc on the pants for example, same resists, etc., just missing some potency, a red adorn slot and the crit mit. It will easily get you into the first couple of encounters in Palace, Toxx and Labs where crit mit isn't a big deal and let you start farming T1 raid armor which will give you the crit mit to go to the next raiding step. BTW to the OP, you don't need crit mit for regular group zones.

08-02-2010, 06:15 PM	#10
Thunndar316 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,681	Similar gear with the same effects would be fair. If people wanna PVP their brains out got for it. I have no interest in it but I should be able to get similar gear minus the toughness aspect. __________________ Sleight of Hand is USELESS

08-02-2010, 06:19 PM	#11
Maroger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,313	Thunndar316 wrote: Similar gear with the same effects would be fair. If people wanna PVP their brains out got for it. I have no interest in it but I should be able to get similar gear minus the toughness aspect. I would agree - BG's were a disater for PVE and as I believe SmokeJumper said - they so far have not justified the development effort and time they involved.

08-02-2010, 06:23 PM	#12
EQ_Irving Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 137	[email protected] wrote: [email protected] Bayle wrote: [email protected] wrote: Just saying that I don't think it is fair that those who only want to PvE have to have anything at all to do with PvP to compete with other players at PvE. Then again, you're wrong. My guildmates and I happily and successfully PvE every night without ever touching a Battleground or its rewards. To his point, are you wearing any raid gear? No. Not a raider here. I wear mastercrafted. __________________

08-02-2010, 06:43 PM	#13
Lucyd Server: Crushbone Guild: Heritage Rank: Alternate Lorekeeper Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 21	Thunndar316 wrote: Similar gear with the same effects would be fair. If people wanna PVP their brains out got for it. I have no interest in it but I should be able to get similar gear minus the toughness aspect. this was my point. Don't think for a moment that I don't think current group content isn't a joke, cause it is. My sk can solo instance trash and have even 2 boxed a few of the easier nameds. The point is when competing for a spot in a group or a raid team someone should be able to achieve equivalent levels of power by doing nothing but PvE. And I mean before raiding, if PvP'ers don't have to raid to achieve that we shouldn't either.

08-02-2010, 06:54 PM	#14
Lemilla Server: Permafrost Guild: Issari Laoris Rank: Cute 'n Blue Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 323	Wurm wrote: There needs to be a full T2 mark set with stats for those of us who have no interest in BGs. I don't want the BG gear nerfed, but only having 3 pieces of the mark armor having stats is BS of the highest order. Those sets are complete, with all 7 pieces. It's just that only 3 of those pieces can be bought, while the other 4 are drops in the instances. They added pieces for those slots without stats for an easier way to complete the appearance set.

08-02-2010, 07:01 PM	#15
Tyrus Dracofire Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,274	i have lvl 85 BG and it isnt that good as much as T2 void shard armors. there better ones from The Hole.

08-02-2010, 07:06 PM	#16
Lucyd Server: Crushbone Guild: Heritage Rank: Alternate Lorekeeper Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 21	not talking about 85 bg armor or void shard armor... am talking about 90 bg armor vs. the measly 3 pieces of armor a lvl 90 can get with marks. And the jewelry from instances or marks is nowhere near as good as bg jewelry. Not in effects, blue stats, resists, or raw stats. Just saying many PvE'ers would like to do only that, PvE. And not feel gimped for not doing PvP.

08-02-2010, 07:34 PM	#17
Umub Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 184	[email protected] wrote: Thunndar316 wrote: Similar gear with the same effects would be fair. If people wanna PVP their brains out got for it. I have no interest in it but I should be able to get similar gear minus the toughness aspect. this was my point. Don't think for a moment that I don't think current group content isn't a joke, cause it is. My sk can solo instance trash and have even 2 boxed a few of the easier nameds. The point is when competing for a spot in a group or a raid team someone should be able to achieve equivalent levels of power by doing nothing but PvE. And I mean before raiding, if PvP'ers don't have to raid to achieve that we shouldn't either. I think is a very big stretch to say that BG gear is ruining PVE. Personally, I do both BGs and PVE and enjoy both. But I wear a mix of both BG and PVE gear. For jewelry, instance legendary and fabled PVE gear is better than BG gear. The BG jewelry just isn't that great for PVE compared to what you can get from instances and even what can be bought from the broker. Weapons are a mixed bag, but I would give a slight edge to the BG swords (for my ranger anyway) compared to the mark swords and instance drops. But the difference isn't that great. If you look at the T2 Mark items (boots, wrists, shoulders), the Mark gear is quite a bit better in blue stats and the BG gear is quite a bit better in green stats and a little better mitigation. For PVE, the blue stats including crit mit and a yellow adornment slot are more important. So for 3 of the 7 pieces of armor, the PVE gear is better and easily obtained through just PVE. The other 4 pieces are a mixed bag. There is a quest chest piece and inistance chests pieces that are quite close to the BG gear in blue stats but still behind. There are some legs instance pieces that are on par for blue stats with BG legs but still behind on green stats. The same is true for helms unless you are lucky enough to get the fabled non-raid helm (at least for scouts) which is better for raiding than the BG helm. However, for hands, the BG gear wins for sure. The instance and faction hands from PVE just plain suck. I don't think this is a problem with the BG gear, but with the PVE gear. We need instance hands that have haste (attack speed)! So while BG armor is better for 3 or 4 of the 7 pieces, the disparity isn't huge and instance gear wins out in all of the other slots.

08-02-2010, 07:50 PM	#18
Guy De Alsace Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,902	Its a shame you get better rewards beating the crud out of each other than you do actually grouping up and helping each other out in instances. Plus it drags even more people from the live servers.

08-02-2010, 07:58 PM	#19
Crismorn Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,840	You want bg gear? BG You want heroic gear? Do heroic zones You want the best gear? Raid You want better heroic gear? Then ask for harder heroic content

08-02-2010, 07:59 PM	#20
Dreadpatch Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 575	I don't agree with nerfing BG gear at all, but to the OP's point the mark gear should be better than it is. As it stand now, it is total garbage (cept for maybe the shoulders). It could also provide a minimal amount of crit mit for those that want to start raiding a bit. It wouldn't hurt anything and would be pretty reasonable. __________________ Elusion 90 Coercer 250 AA Alendril 90 Troubador 250 AA Ribatio 90 Mystic 242 AA Dreadpatch 90 Swashbuckler 171 AA Delanar 70 Guardian Blackghost 39 (BG) Assassin

08-02-2010, 11:12 PM	#21
Eritius Server: Lucan DLere Guild: Fate by Blood Rank: Commander Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 759	BG gear is a good set to start out with. Its better then heroic gear to start raiding with, but then again its also a bit of a grind in comparison. I run both and use whatever pieces from BG to fill in the gaps. Thats pretty much all its good for.

08-02-2010, 11:56 PM	#22
Chakos Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 324	[email protected] wrote: This stuff is just way too good. It shouldn't work in PvE at all or at least PvE'ers should be given an option to obtain gear that is just as good. Now I'm sure someone will say, go raid and get gear that is better for PvE anyway... But therein lies the conundrum.. I'm sure someone will say but you need crit mit for PvE and BG gear doesn't have that. However neither does pre-raid gear either. There are only 3 armor pieces that have any. Instance gear doesn't have any either. So the best option remains get your 3 armor pieces from marks and then bg for the rest of your gear. Jumping right to raiding may or may not be an option. If 2 people apply for a spot in a raid guild... One who has the 3 armor pieces with x amount of crit mit and the rest fabled bg gear and does 30k+ dps right off the bat... the second has the 3 armor pieces and legendary gear from instances and does 15k dps... who are you going to take? Both have the same crit mit but one performs twice as well. We should not have to PvP to compete in PvE. There needs to be better options to get gear for people who only want to PvE. Or just disable PvP gear completely in PvE. Many of us have no interest in BG's and find them to be quite boring. You have that option: BGs, same as every single person, on every single server, has the option to. Saying you should not have to pvp (BGs is not real pvp, but let's allow it) to get the pvp gear is the same as saying you shouldnt have to raid to get raid gear. Bottom line, if you want the gear, either raid or BGs gear, then you either raid or play BGs. If you dont want to do either, then you get what you allow yourself to get. Simple.

08-03-2010, 12:01 AM	#23
Chakos Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 324	Crismorn wrote: You want bg gear? BG You want heroic gear? Do heroic zones You want the best gear? Raid You want better heroic gear? Then ask for harder heroic content I don't often agree with you, though I don't really feed your posts to point it out lol, but this is perfectly stated.

08-03-2010, 12:21 AM	#24
Alenna Server: Guk Guild: Defenders of the Light Rank: Count Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,938	Chakos wrote: [email protected] wrote: This stuff is just way too good. It shouldn't work in PvE at all or at least PvE'ers should be given an option to obtain gear that is just as good. Now I'm sure someone will say, go raid and get gear that is better for PvE anyway... But therein lies the conundrum.. I'm sure someone will say but you need crit mit for PvE and BG gear doesn't have that. However neither does pre-raid gear either. There are only 3 armor pieces that have any. Instance gear doesn't have any either. So the best option remains get your 3 armor pieces from marks and then bg for the rest of your gear. Jumping right to raiding may or may not be an option. If 2 people apply for a spot in a raid guild... One who has the 3 armor pieces with x amount of crit mit and the rest fabled bg gear and does 30k+ dps right off the bat... the second has the 3 armor pieces and legendary gear from instances and does 15k dps... who are you going to take? Both have the same crit mit but one performs twice as well. We should not have to PvP to compete in PvE. There needs to be better options to get gear for people who only want to PvE. Or just disable PvP gear completely in PvE. Many of us have no interest in BG's and find them to be quite boring. You have that option: BGs, same as every single person, on every single server, has the option to. Saying you should not have to pvp (BGs is not real pvp, but let's allow it) to get the pvp gear is the same as saying you shouldnt have to raid to get raid gear. Bottom line, if you want the gear, either raid or BGs gear, then you either raid or play BGs. If you dont want to do either, then you get what you allow yourself to get. Simple. What they are saying is they shouldn't have to PvP to get good PvE gear there should be an option to get something just as good for PvE as the BG armour seems to be which is better then the mark that is supposed to get you into the lower raid zones. __________________

08-03-2010, 12:47 AM	#25
Landiin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,749	They want people to play BG. A F'n ton of people only play BG to get gear they can not get doing PvE instances. I agree there needs to be mark gear that mirrors the BG gear but with CritMit on it. __________________

08-03-2010, 12:51 AM	#26
Trevalon Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 286	as someone who has an extreme hatred for any MMO pvp since DAOC, I can say knowing that when my Swashie hits 90 I will have to pvp in order to get into PVE raids makes my stomach sick. Mark gear should be just as good as BG gear and provide crit mit...

08-03-2010, 02:09 AM	#27
Notsovilepriest Server: Nagafen Guild: Ill Gotten Gain Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,184	You guys realize that you can do entry level raiding in MC because the first few mobs in each zone don't crit right? __________________

08-03-2010, 02:20 AM	#28
Morghus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,105	Trevalon wrote: Mark gear should be just as good as BG gear and provide crit mit... I don't think it will be done unless the amount of marks needed is drastically increased. Current mark gear is average legendary quality, while the BG gear is currently fabled and similar statistics wise to Sentinel's Fate T2 raid armor. As said earlier in this thread, BG gear essentially is a form of raid gear stat-wise. Is it really any wonder why you see some people wearing it as their primary set of armor?

08-03-2010, 02:20 AM	#29
Corydonn Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 744	Raiding guilds usually look for players with some talent and good personalities, Not BG gear.

08-03-2010, 02:31 AM	#30
Wurm Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	[email protected] wrote: Wurm wrote: There needs to be a full T2 mark set with stats for those of us who have no interest in BGs. I don't want the BG gear nerfed, but only having 3 pieces of the mark armor having stats is BS of the highest order. Those sets are complete, with all 7 pieces. It's just that only 3 of those pieces can be bought, while the other 4 are drops in the instances. They added pieces for those slots without stats for an easier way to complete the appearance set. Thats not true, most of the instance dropped items don't come anywhere near to the BG fabled or the Mark T2, I know I'm wearing a lot of them. Running instances for gear wasn't the point, the point was we should have full sets of stat-ed items to purchase for our marks to balance out the availability of BG fabled. And I'd rather save up my marks to pay the 220 for a fabled instance item than waste them on appearance slot items. __________________