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Old 03-28-2008, 10:49 PM   #31
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I take a screenshot (using Print Screen in Windows), which copies the image to the clipboard. I then paste it into a photoshop document (you can use any image editing software), save it to a jpg, upload it to a public-accessible location on the internet (in my case, it's my hosted website http://ryan.dey1.com/file/), and then use the image's URL (http://ryan.dey1.com/files/Webin_Parse.jpg) in the "Insert/Edit Image" window on the Reply editor for the forum.Caleeb uses Photobucket for his image hosting, others have used Flickr.Make sense?  SMILEY

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I take a screenshot (using Print Screen in Windows), which copies the image to the clipboard. I then paste it into a photoshop document (you can use any image editing software), save it to a jpg, upload it to a public-accessible location on the internet (in my case, it's my hosted website http://ryan.dey1.com/file/), and then use the image's URL (http://ryan.dey1.com/files/Webin_Parse.jpg) in the "Insert/Edit Image" window on the Reply editor for the forum.Caleeb uses Photobucket for his image hosting, others have used Flickr.Make sense?  SMILEY
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Old 03-29-2008, 02:00 PM   #33
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I take a screenshot (using Print Screen in Windows), which copies the image to the clipboard. I then paste it into a photoshop document (you can use any image editing software), save it to a jpg, upload it to a public-accessible location on the internet (in my case, it's my hosted website http://ryan.dey1.com/file/), and then use the image's URL (http://ryan.dey1.com/files/Webin_Parse.jpg) in the "Insert/Edit Image" window on the Reply editor for the forum.Caleeb uses Photobucket for his image hosting, others have used Flickr.Make sense?  SMILEY

Yes it does actually, Thanks webin, I will train doing that SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />

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I think it should work. Thats a try with the stats I use for the wall test

Thanks for the help Webin and Rackam, makes life so easier, now I can publish my results without retyping

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Old 03-31-2008, 03:34 AM   #34
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I am in the same guild as webin and was asked to help by doing the parse for comparison with another predator class. Here were my results. I basically was doing them back to back with very little time between. I think i was able to do 4 then had to take a power break, then 4 again, etc. I used Experts Caustic Poison.

  • Str 775
  • Int 227
  • DPS mod 70
  • Haste mod 30
  • Melee crit 37%
  • Melee DA 2%
  • Primary Fang of Ichor (fabled)
  • Secondary Anaphylaxis

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Old 03-31-2008, 03:43 AM   #35
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Just a couple notes on Wiske's parse.... his DPS is on the second line, 2294.   Also, I show up on the parse because I was clearing the vase so his AoE spells didn't hit it.And he's getting a bunch of chokidai totems as payment for his help.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:27 PM   #36
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I'm not an Assassin expert, but I will say this.  I think Anaphylaxis is a 4.5 second delay and Fang of Ichor is 4 seconds, correct?  Dual wielding with weapons that have different delays is a pain (with very few exceptions).  This is because you will inevitably delay your auto-attack when the delays don't line up correctly.  If he was to go to the wall and just auto-attack + use his short term buffs, I would think he'd get much higher than 517dps for his auto-attack.  I'd highly recommend swapping out Anaphylaxis with another 4 second delay weapon and make sure he is timing his CAs between his AAs.

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I'm no assassin expert either, so I have no idea... but that sounds reasonable.  I'll mention it to him.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:41 PM   #38
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Just trowing this in for comparison. I don't think I'll get the time to submit a screen shot. I betrayed to Assassin on Saturday evening, then did a run through Maidens that night.I had to replaced some T7 EOF fabled gear with T8 master crafted (including the chest piece). All my other gear is still adorned for a ranger. Also, I had zero experience playing an assassin before I betrayed. I had not played one once, not even as a lowbie alt.I went to the wall on Sunday morning with my mediocre greared n00b Assassin with roughly 1.5 hours of total playing experience and parsed 2171 DPS. I was not grouped and had no buffs on me other than my own.Good luck getting the Ranger class fixed guys. For me, the stress and drama is over.

Edit:  Forgot to add that I had all AD3's on the Assassin.  Being a Jeweler finally paid off! SMILEY

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Old 03-31-2008, 04:12 PM   #39
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Ok here is my Training Wall Parse. How did I do? Keep in mind my bow please.

Other than not using your melee Combat Arts at all, it looks fine. SMILEY  Try to get your melee CAs in there.  Especially Bloody Reminder.

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FYI, our Assassin parses 3400 on the wall.  He is T1 geared.  Sad that he is so close to Caleeb, who is obviously way better geared.

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I'm sure I've get plenty of room for improving my play with the Ranger.  One way to do that is to see parses from other Rangers, so I can see what they do and improve that way.  Unfortunately, it is a bit difficult to compare parses because of raid setup.  So, I've come up with a way that we can compare parses.  Hopefully, to use them to improve. 

The "training wall" in Kunzar Jungle will be the focus of our testing.  So, here is how this works. 

  1. Run ACT.
  2. Don't be grouped with anyone, this is a solo test only.
  3. Go to the training wall in Kunzar Jungle (near the Tabernacle of Pain, loc -120, -60, 127).
  4. Jot down all your stats, str, dps, crit, da, etc (see below).
  5. Kill the wall 10 times.  Make the time between kills as short as possible (but don't run out of power).  Don't wait 15 minutes between each kill so you can start with Sniper each time or even 5 minutes to get Killing Instinct up each time. SMILEY<img src= Just wait a few seconds to get some power back and then kill it again.  (My test took 13 minutes for all 10.)
  6. Go to ACT and select your outgoing damage for "All" 10 kills and take a screenshot.  If you had other kills during the time you were in the Jungle, you'll need to merge the 10 wall kills so you can exclude the others (or click "Clear Encounters" before you start).
  7. Post your results in this thread.

Effidian,

I published a number of wall tests in the "GU 44 arrow feedback Thread" using this method, if you are interested.

I could republish them in your thread but it is really image heavy so maybe not the best idea.

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Old 04-02-2008, 03:15 PM   #42
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Effidian wrote:

I'm sure I've get plenty of room for improving my play with the Ranger.  One way to do that is to see parses from other Rangers, so I can see what they do and improve that way.  Unfortunately, it is a bit difficult to compare parses because of raid setup.  So, I've come up with a way that we can compare parses.  Hopefully, to use them to improve. 

The "training wall" in Kunzar Jungle will be the focus of our testing.  So, here is how this works. 

  1. Run ACT.
  2. Don't be grouped with anyone, this is a solo test only.
  3. Go to the training wall in Kunzar Jungle (near the Tabernacle of Pain, loc -120, -60, 127).
  4. Jot down all your stats, str, dps, crit, da, etc (see below).
  5. Kill the wall 10 times.  Make the time between kills as short as possible (but don't run out of power).  Don't wait 15 minutes between each kill so you can start with Sniper each time or even 5 minutes to get Killing Instinct up each time. SMILEY<img src= Just wait a few seconds to get some power back and then kill it again.  (My test took 13 minutes for all 10.)
  6. Go to ACT and select your outgoing damage for "All" 10 kills and take a screenshot.  If you had other kills during the time you were in the Jungle, you'll need to merge the 10 wall kills so you can exclude the others (or click "Clear Encounters" before you start).
  7. Post your results in this thread.

Effidian,

I published a number of wall tests in the "GU 44 arrow feedback Thread" using this method, if you are interested.

I could republish them in your thread but it is really image heavy so maybe not the best idea.

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Old 04-03-2008, 01:02 PM   #43
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Saw those Corwin. Good stuff.Anyone else want to throw some parses in?  I'm at the point I just feel like I'm missing something, and I can't quite figure out what it is.  A couple people in other threads seem to be getting 2800-3000 without the mythical, but I'll be darned if I can get that average on 10 walls, and unfortunately, they aren't posting enough of their parses for me to see where I'm falling short. 

Ranja, have you tried this?

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Old 04-04-2008, 06:00 AM   #44
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I decided to not be lazy tonight and do one. 719 str 346 int DT ammo Mythical bow 73% crit + 25% trak earring proc 28% DA + 5% boots proc Haste mod 85 Dps mod 38 + cloak/buckler prochttp://img241.imageshack.us/img241/...arsewallfb6.gif
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Holy crap!
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Old 04-04-2008, 11:27 AM   #46
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Thanks Millerz.  If you feel like not being lazy another night SMILEY<img src= , and still happen to have another bow laying around, it'd be great to see the difference of the mythical and really any other bow.

Edit: I actually feel a little better about my parse now, strangely enough.  Comparing the longer recast CAs, I have the same number of casts that Millerz does, but the shorter recast ones and melee arts I have way more.  I'm assuming by the time I'm getting to the others, Millerz has already killed the wall and therefore doesn't have to use them.  Now I just need to get better gear...

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Okay, so here is another attempt from me.  Some differences between here and my previous attempt.

  • I waited until Focus Aim was up before starting each fight (only used it once per fight, so it was just waiting 10 seconds or so for it to come up). 
  • I stopped using Coverage.  I cannot use Coverage without decreasing my DPS.  I was using Rear Shot as I was backing out, get an AA between Rear Shot and hitting Coverage, then hit a stealth CA and move back in.  But my DPS goes down when I do that. 
  • I did not use Sniper Arrow.
  • I adjusted my start order a little bit so I'd get an HO off at the beginning of each fight.

I also added the +CA damage in the stats below (called "Melee Mod" in Profit's persona window, not sure if it is in the default UI).

  • Str: 634
  • Int: 279
  • DPS Mod: 47
  • Haste Mod: 74
  • Ranged Double Attack: 16%
  • Melee Double Attack: 0%
  • Ranged Crit: 56%
  • Melee Crit: 33%
  • +CA: 128
  • Bow: Eagle's Talon (fabled)
  • Ammo: umbral darkness

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Now I just need to get better gear...   

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Ok so here is my first post LU44 wall parse:

 

A couple of things to note when comparing it to my pre LU44 parse:

First the overall damage is a little lower. Since I am not the most consistant ranger out there this could be me just not playing quite as sharp this time as last. Another is that I did not use any melee CAs, so I lost the "boost" that all of our melee CAs got post LU44. For this first LU44 test I wanted to play the same way and see what happened and as I expected I lost a little bit of DPS, however not enough to know for sure that it is the change in the game or just in the player (i.e. me). Anything less than a 5% difference between one sample an another can just be attributed to luck.

What is interesting is that clearly there was a drop in ranged AA damage and a boost in Quick Shot, so there is a clear shift in where the damage is comming from after LU44 as opposed to before. This will require an adjustment to how we play if we want to maximize our DPS.

Webin, I am with you, I will miss the days when I could always stand back and let fly with my arrows knowing that at worse I was performing at 95% and if my group needed that extra 5% I could buckle down and joust when I needed to. Oh well time to relearn the ranger yet again.

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Oh well time to relearn the ranger yet again.

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Danean, your auto-attack and caustic went down, but everything else was about even.

I don't think it is relearning how to play now.  Melee arts did closer to 15% before, and while they may get closer to 20% now, in both cases they are significant chunks of DPS.

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Danean, your auto-attack and caustic went down, but everything else was about even.

I don't think it is relearning how to play now.  Melee arts did closer to 15% before, and while they may get closer to 20% now, in both cases they are significant chunks of DPS.

mmm guess I was not as good at switching between ranged and melee as I should have been then, my melee dps never amounted to more than 10% of my total and usualy it was around 5%. But then again I never said I was anywhere near one of the best rangers out there, just one of your middle of the road types SMILEY. Well it does mean that I need to work on switching between ranged and melee more though because I cannot afford to stand back all of the time if it is going to cost me 20% of my DPS. On the other hand MOST of the fights that I am involved in only last 20 seconds so I hope I get enough practice to be able to do it on the "long" fights that I need to do it on.

By the way thank you to everyone (Effidian and Webin esp) for all of your hard work esp since RoK came out helping all of us become better rangers dispite all of the issues we have had to deal with. It is people like you behind the toons that make this game so much fun to play.

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All I can say is the Eagle Talon is soooooo much better than my poor old Flimflam. But you have to get those CAs in there too.

  • Str: 750
  • Int: 279
  • DPS Mod: 39
  • Haste Mod: 74
  • RDA: 14%
  • MDA: 0%
  • RC: 55%
  • MC: 11%
  • Bow: Eagle's Talon (fabled)
  • Ammo: ferrite field point

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Kept meaning to do this since the update.  I don't think the attack hawk does do 3% in raids, but kinda funny on the wall.

  • Str: 634
  • Int: 296
  • DPS Mod: 47
  • Haste Mod: 74
  • Ranged Double Attack: 17%
  • Melee Double Attack: 0%
  • Ranged Crit: 61%
  • Melee Crit: 33%
  • +CA: 182
  • Bow: Eagle's Talon (fabled)
  • Ammo: ferrite field point

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Wow given that none of my numbers other than strength are as good as yours Effidian, I am only 128 DPS behind you and 76 of that was the hawk that I did not use. I guess I don't suck near as bad as I thought I did SMILEY  Thank you again for all of the lessons.
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Wow given that none of my numbers other than strength are as good as yours Effidian, I am only 128 DPS behind you and 76 of that was the hawk that I did not use. I guess I don't suck near as bad as I thought I did SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />  Thank you again for all of the lessons.
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Apparently, we just both suck... SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />
LoL, true but that is what we get for being rangers SMILEY
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Having problems loading [Removed for Content] of my parser.. But anyways, I am doing 1.6k CA dps, 400 auto attack dps(2k total). I am not mastered, missing many t8 adept 3's, using the dizok bow of flames, 39% crit chance, 11% double attack, +50 CA, 31 dps, 68 haste. May I suggest you guys try the wall again, but with the wis line. I am doing as much as you guys without a half decent weapon SMILEY Agil, 4/6/4/8/1 Wis, 4/4//4/8 Int 4/4/6/4/8/1 This spec also requires you to "think" before you act. You can get much much more dps if you keep running emberstrike in your CA order.
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Having problems loading [Removed for Content] of my parser.. But anyways, I am doing 1.6k CA dps, 400 auto attack dps(2k total). I am not mastered, missing many t8 adept 3's, using the dizok bow of flames, 39% crit chance, 11% double attack, +50 CA, 31 dps, 68 haste. May I suggest you guys try the wall again, but with the wis line. I am doing as much as you guys without a half decent weapon SMILEY<img src=" /> Agil, 4/6/4/8/1 Wis, 4/4//4/8 Int 4/4/6/4/8/1 This spec also requires you to "think" before you act. You can get much much more dps if you keep running emberstrike in your CA order.
If you are only doing 400dps AA then it is you that should "step it up". I am doing 1000 AA dps plus 1.6K CA and poisons for a total of 2.6K (as opposed to your 2K). As for emberstrike, I hope you mean the level 75 version, combustion strike. However with the exception of roped shot (which with the AA spec recasts twice as fast as CS) ALL of my ranged CAs do more damage than CS. Therefore if I have the choice I will cast my Ranged CAs first. However once they are all down (usually about the same time as Focus Aim expires), yes I start casting CS every 10 seconds (along with Longstab and Jolting Strike). However I will try the wall again as it has been a while and I should be able to see 3K by now. And as for your numbers including the Di'Zok bow, 2K is about what I was parsing with it when my numbers were similar to yours. 2K is about what I would expect from a Di'Zok Ad3 Ranger. As for Wisdom over Strength, I will stick with my +24 str and +14 MCH.
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Ok here are the results from my latest wall parse. Still using my Fabled epic and instance/quest/bought gear.Str:  684Int:  284RCH:  54RDA:  12DPS:  47AS:    77MCH: 35CA:  387Type                Ext DPS    To Hit %    Crit %    Dam %Ranged Auto Attack    1074       100         66       37Poisons                362       100         41       12.5Quick Shot             213       100         77        7.5Melee Combat Arts      429       100         23       15Ranged Combat Arts     748       100         77       26Attack Hawk             62       100          1        2                      2888                           100
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