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Old 02-15-2012, 02:34 PM   #61
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Some people care about decorating and decorations.  Some people couldn't care less.

Until there's a piece of software that can determine a players value system, and accurately screen their ability to vote accordingly... someone will be unhappy. 

In short, don't hold your breath.  The only way to deal with this type of self-imposed unhappiness is to not care what strangers think about your or others' decorating or lack of it.

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Old 02-16-2012, 01:04 AM   #62
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Here's an option.  Players can publish houses each week.  At the end of the week all houses are unpublished and those that want to be published again must be re-published by their owner.

Published houses can be seen on the published list and viewed by anyone.  While viewing a house a player can send in a "suggest for vote" which adds up in the background and is the amount of "suggestions" a home has gotten is hidden from view of most people.

Every guild with a guild hall on a server can assign one home reviewer per week.  This home reviewer can be the same person or a different person from week to week but the key is that each guild only gets to assign one reviewer.  Guilds can opt out of this process by simply not assigning a reviewer or if the reviewer simply does not do his or her job for that week.

Each guild reviewer can view the suggestion reports for the houses and can then vote 1 to 5 stars on any home that has recieved 5  or more suggestions.  The reviewer can visit and vote on as many or as few homes as they see fit

After the week is over the top 10 or 20 homes will be on the Best Homes list for a week.  Those homes on the best homes list can still be published for the next week however they can also be "reported" by any player.  A home on the Best Homes list that recieves say 10 or more reports gets sent to an EQ2 official for review.

It's long, it's probably more complecated than it has to be but it would be much more fair and promote some turnover each week so it's not the same old home and/or dungeons at the top each week.

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Old 02-16-2012, 01:36 AM   #63
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DreaddJester wrote:

 At the end of the week all houses are unpublished

Every guild with a guild hall on a server can assign one home reviewer per week.

1.) is silly, cause only one week on display will simply kick out many good houses before anyone gets the chance to see them. I dont check housing boards daily. maybe once every 10 days or so.

2.) is discriminating against guildless players, and possibly some people can vote 2-3 times. you know there's people in multiple guilds. in fact you can create a guild for each char you got.

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Old 02-16-2012, 01:50 AM   #64
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Freejazzlive wrote:

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Why are you quoting me? It wasn't my idea - I just said I thought it was a great idea.

He probably quoted you because you thought it was a "great" idea. It's not, as there is no standard as to what constitutes "decorated."

& yes, I've read the thread. Nowhere in it is there an official SOE definition of "decorated," which means there is no standard by which a house is considered "decorated" & nothing to report "undecorated" houses for.

IOW, in short: no, it's not even a good idea, much less a "great" one.

LOL - First off, I'm going to point out that you are only quoting ME because you had commented on one of my other posts, in which I answered to you and you still have not answered back... for some reason. Please, just because you do not agree with one of my threads chase me down on posts to not agree with me. I'm sure that constitues as some kind of interent stalking. Please do not continue simply because you did not agree with me on a different matter. It's flat out childish. Not to mention sticking up for random strangers points, you don't realize how obvious it is you are just trying to upset people. Thanks.

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Old 02-16-2012, 10:08 AM   #65
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Nynaeve wrote:

DreaddJester wrote:

 At the end of the week all houses are unpublished

Every guild with a guild hall on a server can assign one home reviewer per week.

1.) is silly, cause only one week on display will simply kick out many good houses before anyone gets the chance to see them. I dont check housing boards daily. maybe once every 10 days or so.

2.) is discriminating against guildless players, and possibly some people can vote 2-3 times. you know there's people in multiple guilds. in fact you can create a guild for each char you got.

1. So it creates more insentive to check the housing boards more each week.  I see nothing silly about that.  How many houses do you miss completetly by only checking it every 10 days or so?  Furthermore, even if YOU personally only checked them every once in 10 days others aren't or are checking them on other days that you aren't so it still works.  Only one person per guild is somewhat obligated to check the homes at least once each week.  Once again, this creates a turnover which will perhaps show and spotlight different houses each week so it works in that way too.  Simply because you personally don't check houses once a week does not make it "silly." 

2. First point I'll make is that guildless players still have a say in things by suggesting a house to the reviewers to begin with.  This allows everyone, guilded and unguilded players to point the reviewers in the right direction.  Second point I'll make when it comes to unguilded players is this....exactly how much of a percentage of players are in no guild what-so-ever?  One of the main points of an MMORPG is that it's social and you join a guild.  Show me a player that has no characters in any guild.

Next on the subject of people voting 2 or 3 times???  Perhaps I didn't make myself clear in the original post.  EACH GUILD that has a GUILD HALL can assign ONE and only ONE reviewer.  This makes the likelyhood that you'd be assigned as a reviwer in multiple guilds fairly unlikely.  However, given that statement, I'm sure it could be done where you can only be given reviewer status with one character per account.  That way if more than one guild wanted to make you a reviewer you would have to pick and choose which guild you reviewed for.

Finally on the subject of reviewers, lets say there are 100 guilds on a server that are assigning one reviewer each.  Now I realize 100 is a very conservative number as I'm sure there are a lot more guilds than that per server but I'm using 100 for simplicity in this example.  Given that example even if one guild had influence over lets say 24 other guilds and could sway their votes your still only looking at 25% of all the votes that will be made as 75% will come from other guilds.  And that figure is from a very small pool of only 100 guilds.  Also keep in mind that a home that people feel made it to the top without merit can be reported to the mods, who could have records of the voting logs and could remove the home from the top and/or disipline guilds that put it there by removing their reviewer privilages.  Overall the system is designed to be mostly player ran with the option for mods to step in during rare situations.

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Old 02-16-2012, 10:33 AM   #66
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Quite frankly, I view the housing leaderboards as an easy way to tour houses.   Unless someone posts in the Norrathian Homeshow with some screenshots, I'm unlikely to tour their house.  

Until they at least categorize homes into more categories, such as for example "Neriak 6 room", I'm not much interested in touring random houses.  I do wish they had a category:  "houses with rent due"  so that you could avoid those if you want.

So, my suggestions are:

  • Post in the Norrathian Homeshow to make people aware of your house.
  • Ask for more useful categories.

I'd rather time be spent on designing more quest series than on house voting.   For example, I was VERY disappointed that there wasn't an engrossing and well thought out world event set of quests leading up to the Freeport revamp.   That was an opportunity that shouldn't have slippped by.  I would rather they spend time on a world event set of quests for Qeynos than housing leaderboard votes.

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Old 02-16-2012, 04:07 PM   #67
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CharlieMim wrote:

LOL - First off, I'm going to point out that you are only quoting ME because you had commented on one of my other posts, in which I answered to you and you still have not answered back... for some reason.

For some reason being that I don't know what you're even talking about. Point me to the other thread & I'll respond, if it's worth my time to do so.

I only quoted you, because you said something in this thread which I thought was worth a response. Only that reason, & not anything else.

The rest of your post -- "stalking?????"  -- is worthy of Tin Foil Hats.

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Old 02-16-2012, 10:01 PM   #68
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:44 PM   #69
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:12 AM   #70
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:26 PM   #71
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Katz wrote:

Quite frankly, I view the housing leaderboards as an easy way to tour houses.   Unless someone posts in the Norrathian Homeshow with some screenshots, I'm unlikely to tour their house.  

Until they at least categorize homes into more categories, such as for example "Neriak 6 room", I'm not much interested in touring random houses.  I do wish they had a category:  "houses with rent due"  so that you could avoid those if you want.

So, my suggestions are:

  • Post in the Norrathian Homeshow to make people aware of your house.
  • Ask for more useful categories.

I'd rather time be spent on designing more quest series than on house voting.   For example, I was VERY disappointed that there wasn't an engrossing and well thought out world event set of quests leading up to the Freeport revamp.   That was an opportunity that shouldn't have slippped by.  I would rather they spend time on a world event set of quests for Qeynos than housing leaderboard votes.

It is an easy way to tour houses. The problem is, it's annoying to waste the time zoning in somewhere only to find it a storage bin or empty.  And maybe YOU would prefer they not devote any time to housing, that doesn't mean the the rest of us should prefer that. It would be helpful to have categories in the list. Storage, travel, obnoxious guild advertising and decorated for example. And then have ratings only on the last category.

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Old 02-23-2012, 09:24 PM   #72
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your dislike, shouldn't removed someone elses like

I don't see why it would. You vote "like" or "dislike," & the appropriate votes are counted & tabulated in their own column, & one doesn't negate or change the other, so that current "top rated" house on Freeport has so many "likes" & so many "dislikes" & life goes on.

Were you thinking of something else? If so, what?

Edit: I also don't see how being able to vote "dislike" is "griefing" anyone  & quite frankly, IMO, anyone who thinks an entirely empty house is worthy of a "like" has some rather odd aesthetics.

during the 1-5 star rating system, many people where logging in alts, alt accounts to give 1 star ratings to their competitors. I'm going to bow out of this debate though because I could really not give a toot about house ratings personally.

Question:  Are you saying that I could publish a house, then log onto each of my bajillion alts in turn and rate my own house?  OK, so I only have 23 or 24 alts, but could I "like" a house that one of them published with each of the others?  or were those people only able to give bad ratings to houses with their alts that are on other accounts? Also, does that mean that someone could rate a house published by a character on another account multiple times by doing that?  or did they take that ability out when they changed to the simple "like" system?

It seems wrong to me if someone can rate a house multiple times from a single account... let alone rate a house published by one of their own characters on that account.  I was looking at the leader-boards for my own server after reading this thread and the most votes any single house has is around 10 or so.  Which of course means that, if I can vote on my own house with each and every one of my alts, I could get top slot in the hall of fame.  So if this is so, it needs to be changed to one vote per account for any given house regardless if they keep the simple "like" system or change it to something else.

Edit:  As a test, I published one of my alts houses and then visited it with another of my alts.  I was not given the option to vote.  This is good.

I then visited a house owned by someone on a different account, voted on it, then returned with another alt.  The second alt was only given the option to "dislike" the house.  Also good.

So each account can only cast one vote per house... and cannot vote on houses owned by characters on that same account.

The question then is, can someone on a basic "free" account vote?  This would be a potential exploit because there is really no limit to the number of accounts one can make.  I have no desire or need to make another account just to test this though.

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Old 02-24-2012, 03:52 AM   #73
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This may be a side-point but ... though people like or dislike the past and present voting system on housing, why not randomize the housing per category?  Create a system where houses (with paid upkeep) are randomly displayed in the various categories, regardless on the amount of votes the house may have.  So many houses past the first page or two have no votes and are some of the most creative homes I've visited.  This type of system would also eliminate any griefing or claims of advertising by members within guilds.

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