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Old 01-16-2011, 06:41 PM   #1
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So now that we have the option to turn off mouts in the Options window and the option to get the stats from one mount but show another ... Can we please get a mount item that has no appearance?  I prefer my toon to not show her mount but I'd like the option to have others see her without her mount as well while I still get the mount's buff.

Also sorta the same thing for SOGA vs non-SOGA models.  I <3 the way my High Elf looks in the non-SOGA ( I started the game long before SOGA ever came around ) and I spent a LOT of time geting her appearence just right so I would like for people to see her as the non-SOGA cause honostly I don't like the High Elf SOGA appearence, and even though I've set her SOGA I would really prefer people see her in the non-SOGA model.

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Old 01-16-2011, 09:17 PM   #2
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So now that we have the option to turn off mouts in the Options window and the option to get the stats from one mount but show another ... Can we please get a mount item that has no appearance?  I prefer my toon to not show her mount but I'd like the option to have others see her without her mount as well while I still get the mount's buff.

I would love this as well.

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Old 01-16-2011, 10:08 PM   #3
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Just thought you should be aware of this thread here.

Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away... But then again, this is something present for everyone who has thier mounts turned off from showing. Maybe with flying mounts, it just won't be possible to hide them from showing up.

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Old 01-18-2011, 07:59 AM   #4
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Cusashorn wrote:

Just thought you should be aware of this thread here.

Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away... But then again, this is something present for everyone who has thier mounts turned off from showing. Maybe with flying mounts, it just won't be possible to hide them from showing up.

Maybe not for flying mounts but those aren't even in the game yet so really has nothing to do with this.

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Old 01-19-2011, 05:36 PM   #5
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Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away...

not unless you are fae or arasai!

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Old 01-19-2011, 06:15 PM   #6
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Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away...

not unless you are fae or arasai!

Nah, their wings aren't designed for flight. It's in the lore. :p

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Cusashorn wrote:

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Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away...

not unless you are fae or arasai!

Nah, their wings aren't designed for flight. It's in the lore. :p

funny, mine seems to be flying constantly, as do her kin.  the only lore i've read about their being flight-disabled is in the book "hate gives rise to another superior race," which mentions that some arasai are born without wings, but they are given magical construct ones.  i've read nothing saying that they are "not designed for flight."

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Old 01-19-2011, 07:24 PM   #8
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the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.

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the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.

if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells).  i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me.

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Old 01-19-2011, 07:42 PM   #10
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the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.

if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells).  i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me.

You would be wrong. It is as actual flight, as much as levitating in the original everquest was actual flight. You could float and move across the sky, but you ultimately went down. You could not fly higher, so much as fall slower.

Just look at those wings in relation to the body. Do you really believe they could support actual true flight without snapping off from trying to lift the character's weight?

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Old 01-19-2011, 08:29 PM   #11
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the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.

if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells).  i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me.

You would be wrong. It is as actual flight, as much as levitating in the original everquest was actual flight. You could float and move across the sky, but you ultimately went down. You could not fly higher, so much as fall slower.

Just look at those wings in relation to the body. Do you really believe they could support actual true flight without snapping off from trying to lift the character's weight?

just going on the visuals in the game, the wings *do* lift the weight of the character -- constantly.  if the developers wanted to lend support to lore that the wings are good for forward propulsion only, they should have the fae/arasai stand on his/her feet when not walking/running, only lifting their feet when being propelled in some direction.

as for the size of their wings, there are flying creatures throughout the game which are equally if not more improbably capable of flight -- i'm not really sure that earth laws of physics and aerodynamics have much sway in a fantasy game populated by magical beings.

my point is just that they *look* as if they are constantly flying, which in my opinion *looks* silly when combined with flying mounts.

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It's here in this thread that confirms that the Fae can't fly. Kind of hard to dispute with a developer over that one.

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Cusashorn wrote:

It's here in this thread that confirms that the Fae can't fly. Kind of hard to dispute with a developer over that one.

i suppose that the idea that a small magical winged creature which *appears* to be capable of flight (which can turn itself into an even smaller magical winged speck of glitter which *appears* capable of even higher flight) should actually somehow, you know, be capable of flight... is too much of a stretch, even in a magical fantasy setting.  pity.

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the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.

if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells).  i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me.

You would be wrong. It is as actual flight, as much as levitating in the original everquest was actual flight. You could float and move across the sky, but you ultimately went down. You could not fly higher, so much as fall slower.

Just look at those wings in relation to the body. Do you really believe they could support actual true flight without snapping off from trying to lift the character's weight?

just going on the visuals in the game, the wings *do* lift the weight of the character -- constantly.  if the developers wanted to lend support to lore that the wings are good for forward propulsion only, they should have the fae/arasai stand on his/her feet when not walking/running, only lifting their feet when being propelled in some direction.

as for the size of their wings, there are flying creatures throughout the game which are equally if not more improbably capable of flight -- i'm not really sure that earth laws of physics and aerodynamics have much sway in a fantasy game populated by magical beings.

my point is just that they *look* as if they are constantly flying, which in my opinion *looks* silly when combined with flying mounts.

/shrug

I have a better reason, Fae can't fly because it would be OP.  Game balance > realism.

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[email protected] wrote:

Can we please get a mount item that has no appearance?

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Maybe with flying mounts, it just won't be possible to hide them from showing up.

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not unless you are fae or arasai!

[debate about whether or not fae/arasai would be capable of flight]

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I have a better reason, Fae can't fly because it would be OP.  Game balance > realism.

reading comprehension FAIL.  this is about allowing fae/arasai to hide their flying mount, not about giving them a freebie.

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I have a better reason, Fae can't fly because it would be OP.  Game balance > realism.

reading comprehension FAIL.  this is about allowing fae/arasai to hide their flying mount, not about giving them a freebie.

Exactly, and if the game does not allow Fae to fly then there is no reason that they should be able to hide a flying mount unless every race can.

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Yep yep. Just because you have wings doesn't mean you get special treatment. If you get the ability to hide your flying mount so you can appear to be flying by your own strength, then so will every other race who can defy gravity and fly like Superman.

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Old 01-20-2011, 03:43 PM   #18
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I understand why Fae/Arasai players would suggest/desire for their magical fairies to gain the ability to fly instead of just hover. That, to me, does not seem like a stretch of the imagination. They are the only races I can picture flying without mounts and looking "normal" in this fantasy setting. Of course it would only be fair if they'd have to go through the same amount of pain from quests or plat as other player races to obtain that ability.

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Sluggo wrote:

I understand why Fae/Arasai players would suggest/desire for their magical fairies to gain the ability to fly instead of just hover. That, to me, does not seem like a stretch of the imagination. They are the only races I can picture flying without mounts and looking "normal" in this fantasy setting. Of course it would only be fair if they'd have to go through the same amount of pain from quests or plat as other player races to obtain that ability.

I can't imagine how Fae could look normal flying high of the ground when they already look ridiculous hovering a couple inches off the ground.

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