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Old 11-05-2006, 06:56 AM   #1
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I had noticed some disturbing things while in Beta, and I chalked it up to the changes in Mit and Avoidance effecting my survivablity. I was kind of anti new combat because of this but I think I may have been misplacing my angst. I broke down the combat to its very basics...
 
One problem I had while in beta is I couldn't parse myself. This is due to the way the devs have rewriten damage in the combat logs...I am told that parse makers have been notified and hopefully there will be a fix for this soon.
 
Anyway, here is the startling discovery, I actually saw a post on the Beta Boards about it, but I didn't realize what an impact it was having till tonight. Berserking buffs are not procing...self or group...the rate they proc is really really low now. I did some more tests....if your tanking, your semi ok, you will get a few berserk procs in a fight. If your dpsing, forget about it....I did some tests on things that couldn't hit me but I could wail on, and berserk didn't proc at all...Even when getting hit, I was still not seeing very many procs from either our self buff, or the group buff, and if your not getting hit, forget about it.
 
This was really hurting my dps, I guess, and my survivablity was suffering...since I couldn't parse, I had no idea this was the culprit. I read somewhere they monkeyed with the proc rates of things...I hope they realize that going berserk is like...a class defining thing...and switch us back...I hope they don't expect us to take a bunch of crappy Achievements to get back to the standard Berserking type warriors we have always been...I can't help but notice that there is an achievement for both the self bufff, and the group buff, and an ultimate that makes you go berserk for 10 seconds when you hit it...is this as intended?
 
I certainly hope not...alot of berserkers are a staple in their Raids DPS group because they can buff haste and dps...this buff depends on the buff procing berserk when the group members hit things....if it no longer procs off hitting things, then the only time we will be berserk is when tanking....sad state of affairs...
 
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Old 11-06-2006, 11:34 PM   #2
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Does this mean our chances of survival after pulling a room of say SoS mobs (62-65 or w/e) has decreased?
 
For example, to clear a room for updates, I would run around the room to gather up the mobs, throw in my Insolent Gibe and Mayhem and then when I'm back with my DPS and healers, I would add in Open Wounds.  About 70% of the time, I only have a single healer, usually 1 of the 2 types of Shamans and I rarely lose agro when targeting the mobs I want dead.
 
So will Taunting Defense and Insolent Gibe do their thing and proc correctly to keep agro since Berserk will not be on us all the time?  I've spent a lot of time on my Berserker lately and I'm sure everyone else has so I don't want to lose all that crazy-pulling ability due to an expansion that's supposed to "improve" us.  I saw in another post that we may not be able to solo heroics anymore.  So far I have tried 67^^^ mobs with yellow health left and that left me with a warm feeling.  I'm sure better equipped Berserkers have done better.
 
And I agree with you Conjourer that Berserk is a staple for our class.  Hopefully the changes will be slightly modified so that I can continue to play as I am now.  It was time-consuming to solo mobs in SoS for Claymore quests but at least I could do it.
 
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Old 11-07-2006, 12:23 AM   #3
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The OP is correct about the proc and survivability. WE got nerfed. so did brigs.

Gone will be the days of pulling a whole room in Nest or Den. I have been mentioned to the devs and hopefully this gets "adjusted" before EoF goes live.

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Old 11-07-2006, 12:43 AM   #4
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"Does this mean our chances of survival after pulling a room of say SoS mobs (62-65 or w/e) has decreased?
 
For example, to clear a room for updates, I would run around the room to gather up the mobs, throw in my Insolent Gibe and Mayhem and then when I'm back with my DPS and healers, I would add in Open Wounds.  About 70% of the time, I only have a single healer, usually 1 of the 2 types of Shamans and I rarely lose agro when targeting the mobs I want dead"
 
You could actually do that with just you and the one healer... the DPS and the extra healer are just window dressing when you are lvl 70 and in SoS.
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:00 AM   #5
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Our berserk proc is being lowered?!  Please, PLEASE tell me this is a f-ing bug and will be fixed.  The Berserker class in EQ2 doesn't live up to the "name" as it is right now, nerfing the class or/and one of our main abilities is a complete f-ing insult.  As you can tell I'm very upset.
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Old 11-07-2006, 09:56 PM   #6
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Dymus-Lead Designer for Everquest 2 EoF had this to say in regards to the low proc rate alot of Berserkers are expiriencing on Beta...
 

With the current versions of Engulfing Rage and War Call I'm not seeing the low proc rate being reported in this thread.  It uses the same rules as live for the procs and has the same percentages.  It appears to be procing at the rate it lists from the triggers it lists correctly with all the tests I've run, including on the latest update for Beta.


So I guess so long as we are using someting called War Call, we are good...however the berserk proc rate of War Cry is not happening the same as it is on live when you are hitting mobs, and not tanking...or, if it is the same as live, and no one ever in the history of playing a berserker in Everquest 2 has or had noticed it, before now...then it needs to be turned up...which is what the new EoF bulking tree is going to do, so I guess its all safe to come out now fellow Zerkers, we are saved by this new Achievement tree, someone pop the Crystal and lets get drunk...

So ya say you want some haste and dps, well I got this new Achievement tree here, look how pretty it is!!!

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Old 11-08-2006, 06:46 AM   #7
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Ok, ok, I'll stop pouting.  But, if they nerf us just a little bit...I'll...I'll...well [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], I guess I'll just keep playing.   What the hell was my point again?...oh yeah....we need buffs not nerfs.  As for the AA, I can't f-ing wait.Thanks for the news bits Con
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Old 11-08-2006, 08:33 AM   #8
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i noticed this immediatly when I got into beta and made a zerker. The proc annimation goes off but the effect does not. It seems the best way to berzerk is either to be hit (tanking) or make a killing blow. I've /bugged this and /feedback. Hopefully it won't go live. I'm expecting to be a bug to do with the new AA lines. I've tried with the enhancements and without, same results.  
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Old 11-08-2006, 01:53 PM   #9
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From Dymus with regards to the proc on beta :With the current versions of Engulfing Rage and War Call I'm not seeing the low proc rate being reported in this thread.  It uses the same rules as live for the procs and has the same percentages.  It appears to be procing at the rate it lists from the triggers it lists correctly with all the tests I've run, including on the latest update for Beta.Well it wasnt working but now it is ; ) /phew

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Old 11-08-2006, 06:09 PM   #10
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uccellin19 wrote:
From Dymus with regards to the proc on beta :

With the current versions of Engulfing Rage and War Call I'm not seeing the low proc rate being reported in this thread.  It uses the same rules as live for the procs and has the same percentages.  It appears to be procing at the rate it lists from the triggers it lists correctly with all the tests I've run, including on the latest update for Beta.



Well it wasnt working but now it is ; ) /phew

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So are you saying that berserk is acting like normal on beta now?  Anyone tested it (after the above post)?  We definitely need someone to keep an eye on it, so we can get dev attention if it isn't working like it should be. 
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Old 11-08-2006, 08:10 PM   #11
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Yeah,  just a quick update on this issue, I checked it out extensively again yesterday and it is now working as Live...
 
Berserkers rejoice, we can go berserk again!!!
 
 
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:14 PM   #12
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Wheww  I about had a heart attack when I read the OP.

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Old 11-09-2006, 12:18 AM   #13
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KK ty - now I can change my underwear cause I was ready to throw them out with my new DPS abilities.
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Old 11-09-2006, 06:51 AM   #14
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yes it seems fine now, but my mit is still 500 lower than it use to be. I got pwned by a lvl70^^^ in an instance solo earlier. I use to at least survive a minute or so. not now
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Old 11-09-2006, 07:33 AM   #15
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armus550 wrote:
yes it seems fine now, but my mit is still 500 lower than it use to be. I got pwned by a lvl70^^^ in an instance solo earlier. I use to at least survive a minute or so. not now



Alright the deal on this issue is, our mit is lower, but mobs have been tuned so that they are lower in relation to the mit, but the encounters are set up so that you can't solo even a low Blue con ^^^ Heroic anymore...or so they say...I have had mixed success with this, I can barely solo a green ^^^ heroic with about 15 to 20% health left, but I was able to solo a Blue con ^^^ level 66 heroic, but then I tried to solo that same mob again when it respawned, and it pwned me...so I guess its up to the random number generator on hits and missess and how hard you get hit, but the consensus is if your in mostly legendary gear, the days of soloing Blue or higher ^^^ mobs are over...also don't automatically blame Physical Mit if you lose against a mob you have had success soloing in the past....Resists to magic, cold, heat ect have been nerfed severly....if that mob has an attack based on one of these, you will prolly get pwned fast...

I got in a group the other day and we went to Kaladim, was only me (70/50 Zerker) 70 Fury, and 70 Ranger...we had no problems getting deep in there, starts out green and gets blue in a hurry....and the Fury was only casting a HoT at start of fight, and maybe an occasional heal here and there...and I was doing crazy crap to test survivablity, like pulling 4 level 66ish heroic Encounters with gibe, and going rambo to see if I could survive...used WoF and Mayhem a few times....went fine.

I think we are gonna come out fine through this expansion, sure our New Zerker Tree isn't anything to get excited about, leaving most of us wondering why we would bother xping to gain AP's, but at least we seem to be the same crazy [Removed for Content] that run into a room and gibe Everything and still be standing at the end of the fight, while the ground is littered with corpses, and Treasure Chests... 

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Old 11-09-2006, 05:00 PM   #16
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Conjourer wrote:


armus550 wrote:
yes it seems fine now, but my mit is still 500 lower than it use to be. I got pwned by a lvl70^^^ in an instance solo earlier. I use to at least survive a minute or so. not now



Alright the deal on this issue is, our mit is lower, but mobs have been tuned so that they are lower in relation to the mit, but the encounters are set up so that you can't solo even a low Blue con ^^^ Heroic anymore...or so they say...I have had mixed success with this, I can barely solo a green ^^^ heroic with about 15 to 20% health left, but I was able to solo a Blue con ^^^ level 66 heroic, but then I tried to solo that same mob again when it respawned, and it pwned me...so I guess its up to the random number generator on hits and missess and how hard you get hit, but the consensus is if your in mostly legendary gear, the days of soloing Blue or higher ^^^ mobs are over...also don't automatically blame Physical Mit if you lose against a mob you have had success soloing in the past....Resists to magic, cold, heat ect have been nerfed severly....if that mob has an attack based on one of these, you will prolly get pwned fast...

I got in a group the other day and we went to Kaladim, was only me (70/50 Zerker) 70 Fury, and 70 Ranger...we had no problems getting deep in there, starts out green and gets blue in a hurry....and the Fury was only casting a HoT at start of fight, and maybe an occasional heal here and there...and I was doing crazy crap to test survivablity, like pulling 4 level 66ish heroic Encounters with gibe, and going rambo to see if I could survive...used WoF and Mayhem a few times....went fine.

I think we are gonna come out fine through this expansion, sure our New Zerker Tree isn't anything to get excited about, leaving most of us wondering why we would bother xping to gain AP's, but at least we seem to be the same crazy [Removed for Content] that run into a room and gibe Everything and still be standing at the end of the fight, while the ground is littered with corpses, and Treasure Chests... 

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Sweet glad I not the only crazy [Removed for Content] to go, and do gibe the room. Good thing my guild love this ogre lol.
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