conjuror prestiges

inzewood · 10-26-2012, 03:36 AM

Right

here's a single dummy with all planar AA.

Left

here's a single dummy with all conjure elements AA.

middle

keep in mind i did not have any eb reset on the planar parse so it's difficult to say if conjure elements is better or not.

excuse my english, i learned most of it on splitpaw.

Shotneedle · 10-26-2012, 10:27 AM

Yeah. Flames/Windlord procs need to crit, the text that says a 2nd proc can't trigger with one up needs to go away because if you get an earthlord proc you're not going to blow a defensive something that will do nothing. And pretty sure planar wrack/burst is just broken.

Xelgad · 10-26-2012, 01:09 PM

Unfortunately, several abilities were hit with a no-crit bug. We've fixed this one, as well as abilities for Coercers, Defilers, Inquisitors, Templars, and Mystics. The fix should make it in tonight if we're lucky.

Aside from reflects and other percentage-based abilities, everything is intended to crit.

inzewood · 10-26-2012, 06:27 PM

glad to read that.

i'll keep the thread updated with changes when it will be fixed.

inzewood · 10-27-2012, 05:58 AM

lingering flames and energizing wind now crit as intended but damages are lower than expected, or it's just a bug with dmg displayed in description.

same problem with energizing wind.

i tried some extended test with planar things but i guess nothing changed, a possible way to make it more interresting could be improving the proc chance of planar wrack since it's very long to stack 5 charges, and improve damages of course.

inzewood · 10-28-2012, 04:19 AM

someone pointed the fact lv 95 pet dont cast blazing conjuration and dont even have it in hotbars, confirmed on training dummy.

please consider an upgrade for planar wrack and burst as conjurors will stick with double convertion spec and leave coe AA unused if it stay that bad, the low proc rate is really the worst issue right now.

anaugi · 10-31-2012, 11:57 AM

We've been discussing this elsewhere, and still, this needs to be addressed...

What is the point of having our best new prestige endline ability (Planar Burst) allow up to 5 triggers of the spell when it is nearly impossible to get 5 stacks of planar wrack on a mob in a reasonable amount of time?

Also needs a substantial dmg increase and a much higher chance to proc with a longer duration.

The 4-5% increases is really out of line with some of the other class improvements, it's barely registering on the parses.

An.

acctlc · 10-31-2012, 10:40 PM

Figured I'd chime in to say that I'm honestly more excited about the tradeskill prestige than I am the conjuror prestige at this point. And I raid on one 4 nights a week compared to crafting something maybe once a week, yeah its that bad. Pile on the mage pet bugs (missing AA spell, no damage increase at all as opposed to prior pet, and a new appearance that I like much less than the current pet) and COE is looking to be a waste of time for most conjurors.

anaugi · 11-01-2012, 03:56 PM

I know the other abilities are the real concern here, but was thinking this afternoon about the deathblow ability...

who does this really benefit?

increases the max power pool (not a regen), potentially for up to 25% more? for the group.

So who's using this extra power? I can only see it being a benifit for a wizard in the group for a manaburn.

Am I missing something here?

An.

inzewood · 11-03-2012, 11:56 AM

the changes are great, while planar detonation is still bad the rest is far better. the changes with conjure elements are good too and make a decent alternative to the planar line.

op updated with new screenshot and parses.

10-26-2012, 03:36 AM	#1
inzewood Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: france Posts: 76	Right here's a single dummy with all planar AA. Left here's a single dummy with all conjure elements AA. middle keep in mind i did not have any eb reset on the planar parse so it's difficult to say if conjure elements is better or not. excuse my english, i learned most of it on splitpaw. __________________

10-26-2012, 10:27 AM	#2
Shotneedle Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 695	Yeah. Flames/Windlord procs need to crit, the text that says a 2nd proc can't trigger with one up needs to go away because if you get an earthlord proc you're not going to blow a defensive something that will do nothing. And pretty sure planar wrack/burst is just broken. __________________ Buffratx - 92 Beastlord - AB Buffrat - 92 Troubador - AB Arbitrat - 92 Berserker - AB Guarddog - 92 Warden - AB

10-26-2012, 01:09 PM	#3
Xelgad Game Designer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 199	Unfortunately, several abilities were hit with a no-crit bug. We've fixed this one, as well as abilities for Coercers, Defilers, Inquisitors, Templars, and Mystics. The fix should make it in tonight if we're lucky. Aside from reflects and other percentage-based abilities, everything is intended to crit. __________________ <img src="http://signavatar.com/files/sigs/3355_3.jpg">

10-26-2012, 06:27 PM	#4
inzewood Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: france Posts: 76	glad to read that. i'll keep the thread updated with changes when it will be fixed. __________________

10-27-2012, 05:58 AM	#5
inzewood Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: france Posts: 76	lingering flames and energizing wind now crit as intended but damages are lower than expected, or it's just a bug with dmg displayed in description. same problem with energizing wind. i tried some extended test with planar things but i guess nothing changed, a possible way to make it more interresting could be improving the proc chance of planar wrack since it's very long to stack 5 charges, and improve damages of course. __________________

10-28-2012, 04:19 AM	#6
inzewood Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: france Posts: 76	someone pointed the fact lv 95 pet dont cast blazing conjuration and dont even have it in hotbars, confirmed on training dummy. please consider an upgrade for planar wrack and burst as conjurors will stick with double convertion spec and leave coe AA unused if it stay that bad, the low proc rate is really the worst issue right now. __________________

10-31-2012, 11:57 AM	#7
anaugi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	We've been discussing this elsewhere, and still, this needs to be addressed... What is the point of having our best new prestige endline ability (Planar Burst) allow up to 5 triggers of the spell when it is nearly impossible to get 5 stacks of planar wrack on a mob in a reasonable amount of time? Also needs a substantial dmg increase and a much higher chance to proc with a longer duration. The 4-5% increases is really out of line with some of the other class improvements, it's barely registering on the parses. An.

10-31-2012, 10:40 PM	#8
acctlc Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 520	Figured I'd chime in to say that I'm honestly more excited about the tradeskill prestige than I am the conjuror prestige at this point. And I raid on one 4 nights a week compared to crafting something maybe once a week, yeah its that bad. Pile on the mage pet bugs (missing AA spell, no damage increase at all as opposed to prior pet, and a new appearance that I like much less than the current pet) and COE is looking to be a waste of time for most conjurors. __________________

11-01-2012, 03:56 PM	#9
anaugi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	I know the other abilities are the real concern here, but was thinking this afternoon about the deathblow ability... who does this really benefit? increases the max power pool (not a regen), potentially for up to 25% more? for the group. So who's using this extra power? I can only see it being a benifit for a wizard in the group for a manaburn. Am I missing something here? An.

11-03-2012, 11:56 AM	#10
inzewood Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: france Posts: 76	the changes are great, while planar detonation is still bad the rest is far better. the changes with conjure elements are good too and make a decent alternative to the planar line. op updated with new screenshot and parses. __________________