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Old 11-26-2007, 08:00 AM   #1
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How can I do it?I read the stickies.. and I am still lost.I'm currently a level 10 fury. I am like a level 11 outfitter.What should I do now, as to be able to compete at every tier? I'm not quite understanding the whole process and what levels to start working on the gear for that tier.I want it to be a natural process such as when I get the gear for that tier. I can continue to level via quests only and pvp while I do such.. and then when I do level out of that tier.. I have gotten plenty of use out of what I worked hard to get. I want to experience alot the first time through without having to twink at a certain level forever. How can I do this effectively? I'm already starting to get killed.. I want to be able to fight back SMILEY
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:08 AM   #2
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I'm a new player to EQ2 aswell and tbh I'm starting to realise that I'm not feeling like grinding all the way to 80 just to abandon the game when a new mmo comes out. My Defiler is currently lvl 20 with 22,5 AA's, which is a little low for PvP - this is despite having been locked since lvl 10. S'pose that I could reclaim some of them by the time that  I get to 24 (new master II) and try PvPing some, after that if I like it enough I may reroll.The RoK (TD) gear is really great and comparable to most fabled gear you'll see at those lvls, however there doesn't seem to be anything like it higher up so I recommend sticking to the lower lvls - 17ish or so. Go down in one tree and aim for a key  ability that will score you kills, like defilers have an ability that deals 170dmg per beneficial buff on the target - shadow knights have harm touch etc. The flat statline AA's are pretty good at low lvls aswell and provide a good boost, should you be able to afford them.- The downside of TD gear is that the quests give alot of XP, so if you can -  try to only do the ones that you need the gear from. Allakhazam might have the info you need there. Basically kill every named mob available at your lvl and do every instance you can, get a guild that can help you do it and ask twinks on your side for more inf o. Named mobs will only give AA's and no XP so they're ideal.You'll need money to buy the spell upgrades you need, unfortunately they're expensive and unless you're lucky with drops (master I spells etc) you'll need quite alot of plat, some buy it and others get it from mates. PvPing up the entire ammount will be tedious (especially for your mount).- You can expect to do somewhat okay with only adept III's though.EDIT: If you intend to go all the way to 80 then just lvl lock and leave it at that.. if the t2 is beeing too much of a **** then just unlock and quickly burst through it and then lock. Even if you don't lock you should cap the ammount of AA's before 70 assuming that you lvl on quests. Sure twinks will kill you but who cares.
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:11 AM   #3
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As far as I've heard this is how.1. Go to timorous deep and do the quests for the gear there.2. Lock your combat exp and grind to your AA cap.I enjoy quests and might go to TD and do them but as far as locking for AA's or trying to stay a certain level to pvp in a certain range where I have a huge advantage...well...thats like mike tyson wanting to box a 15 year old girl and imo its not even real pvp. Its pathetic really...to compete at EVERY tier? mm...buy mastercrafted, do the most popular quests...I think their are certain AA's that are usually agreed upon as the strongest in pvp situations at certain levels but its information I dont have. I also hear at some tiers certain classes are not as powerful as they are at other tiers so you might experience times of flux in that area.Being able to fight back wont be easy as the guys fighting you most likely arent like you. They arent a new level 10 they have a much higher level character somewhere but are really awful at playing it and cant win in any pvp matches so they rolled an alt and kept him very low to fight the newest players after giving their low character items paid for with money from their higher ups. Timorous deep quests are what I've heard will be your best bet so far.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:20 PM   #4
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Like the first two posters I am new to the server and newly returned to the game. 

I bought the latest all-in-one expansion and reactivated last week.  I played the first month after release and went back to DAoC for a while.   I had a couple of mid to high teen characters on one of the PvE roleplayer servers, but I decided rolled a new Dark Elf SK on Venekor.  I have never been a hard core PvPer - I have always preferred team PvP like old Talon Zek and DAoC.   But I also enjoy the extra tension and risk that comes from some PvP element in the game.  It never seemed right to me that my High Elf Paladin could group with a Shadowknight, or that any good or evil character on Antonoe Bayle could share territory with the other faction... cheapened the game to me.

That being said, I can see I came to the party late.  I am starting out from scratch on Venekor and at level 14ish I have no chance against any "lighty" near my level who ventures into Darklight Wood.  I can live with that for now - I expected it from twinks - but I am discouraged with all this talk that trying to compete with anything less that Adept III abilities is folly. 

In the mid-teens it doesn't seem like a wise investment for my primary toon to spend that kind of "plat" on spells and combat arts that I will grow out of quickly.  Plus, getting ANY plat seems to be a long way off.  I have enough trouble getting enough gold together to keep up a few Apprentice IV spells and combat arts, along with level appropriate weapons even though I level almost exclusively off of quests and I am using the broker to sell all the spell scrolls, armor, weapons and all other "shiny" things I get that I can't use.  That is working but I am not getting rich by any means.

I'll definately take the advice given above but if some level of twinking or a LOT of level-locking is a must, I may just blow through the lower levels fairly quickly and then start building up my character with better gear and abilities some time in the 30s or so when cash is a little easier to come by.

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Old 11-26-2007, 05:55 PM   #5
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If you see an enemy in your home territory, assume they are twinked.  If they're on horseback, well, bank often and get used to choosing a convenient respawn. 

App IV will get you killed in PvP.  So will handcrafted gear.  Adept I isn't going to turn you into RoboCop, either.

The rewards in TD are supposed to be pretty damned amazing, and if they're on a scale with the T8 rewards, that's the way to go.  Grouping up is always going to make it easier, assuming that the players you group with have some idea what they're doing.  There are a ton of "guides" out there regarding the best way to level up on a PvP server (check the Player Vesus Player section) and you can find some volunteers on all three servers willing to take you under their wing, so to speak.  You can lock and level up strictly via questing, which will help maximize your AP's, or you can "blow through" the first 20 levels earning 2 AP's and be gimped.  Or you could just let natural progression take you to your mid-twenties and you'll be decent (not completely self-nerfed, but definitely at a noticeable disadvantage against twinks).  Don't complete a level 45 collection quest and turn it in at level 14 unless you want to get fairly stiffed on the ROI, or are trying to shoot past the first 20 levels.  Make sure you are using the tools available to you.  Upgrade your gear as you go; it doesn't upgrade itself.  Use food that's better than purchased from the vendor; the homemade stuff can give stat bonuses and will replenish your points faster, plus lasts considerably longer.  Also, don't be the guy who hits level 12, or 22, and is still running around with the original poison your scout came to the island with (don't laugh, I've seen it).  Or ammo from the wrong tier.  These little things add up.  To be honest, the best quest-to-achievement-point range is in the teen's, where it's also going to leave you with the most frustrating "What the hell was that and how'd I die" PvP.  These are just some suggestions; everybody has their own playing style and you'll find your own.  Choose your medicine.

p.s. If you're going to go Outfitter, and are a Fury, I'd suggest going Tailor.  You'll earn some coin making leather and cloth armor, sheaths for throwing weapons, bags and cloaks.  Level up on mundane recipes, sell the mastercrafted stuff, and look into transmuting.  Adornments can fetch a surprising amount of coin.

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Old 11-26-2007, 10:05 PM   #6
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An enemy who stalks you in your own lands is almost always a twinked killer.

If you expect to fight others more comparable in strength to you, then you need to go hunt them down in their leveling areas.   Sure, you will die many many many times.  Guess what?  Most of us do.   We don't always play our top killer characters.   Sometimes we play our [Removed for Content] twinks.   There are only a few players out there who play the "killer" 24/7 every day.   The rest of us, just like you guys, die all the time.

I like it that way.   I don't care if you don't want to call it "pvp".   People are stalking, killing, and dying in large numbers.   That is fun to us.   Many of the fights are totally unfair, but so what?   Some are totally fair, and when that happens it is magical.

You want that magic?   Go hunt down those noobs in their own noob areas.   You will be ganked repeatedly in your own lands (if you solo.)  So forget trying to win that battle.   Take it to them.   That is the point of the game.   Kill and be killed... often and with great malice.

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Old 11-27-2007, 02:27 AM   #7
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Well had my first taste of pvp tonight.first I was gonna go do the timorous deep quests.. bad idea..It was fun to start. I went toe to toe with what seemed like a non twinked yellow brigand. He killed me.. but barely. Then after I rezzed.. I took 2 steps and was 2 shotted by a level 10 wizard. And then it just kept going. I got ganked 7 times before I decided there was no way I was gonna get anywhere without being to at least defend myself. So i decided to quest in antonica.. it was a little  better. .. still got ganked about 5 times.. but it wasn't near as bad.I like the PVP and I like the danger. But how is a new player gonna survive and get any quests done?I've learned so far...1. don't keep anything on you u want to keep.. SMILEY2. running just delays the inevitableIts like OLD school pvp again. I like it.. but I gotta figure out how to deal with it.
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:30 AM   #8
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You want that magic?   Go hunt down those noobs in their own noob areas.   You will be ganked repeatedly in your own lands (if you solo.)  So forget trying to win that battle.   Take it to them.   That is the point of the game.   Kill and be killed... often and with great malice. 
Heh... while rather gruff.. very true.When a low level character travels all the way to Freeport or vice versa.. specifically to attack the enemy.. they're likely to show up yellow and twinked. They know their way around cause they didn't just stumble across 3-4 zones with a couple of just as clueless buddies and fall in to MC gear and find ownerless mounts and M1 spells. SMILEYHowever.. if you take it to their newbie areas.. you'll find people in your shoes.. just the opposite faction. Now, if they show up green, blue or white to you.. chances are they're evenly geared. And, you're likely to find a fair fight which you may or may not win. Those twinked out aren't looking for fair fights.. they're looking for the "easy kill". So, they're not going to hang out in their own land as they might wander upon people too evenly matched for them. SMILEY
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:33 AM   #9
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I'm level 10...I went to TD last night and got my face pwned.. couldn't even do a single quest.I went to Antonica and had a similar experience.Did i screw up? How can I get to a point where I can do quests in TD?did I level too high?I'm so confused still its not even funny.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:44 AM   #10
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Hmm sounds familiar. SMILEY

You may consider rolling your char evil to start with, do the Timorous Deep quests, then once you've got yourself pretty well geared out, betray over to Qeynos if you still like being the underdog.

Otherwise the only thing I can think of is to do some quests in Antonica to get to level 12, getting yourself some AA along the way, then use mastercrafted gear from stuff you've harvested. That will increase your survivability, but against people who've got the Timorous Deep gear you'll still be at a great disadvantage until you get it yourself.

Anyway I can probably help you out a bit tonight again if you'd like.

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Old 11-27-2007, 11:47 AM   #11
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your not on AIM right now are ya?
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:24 PM   #12
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If you have any friends that play that would really help at the lower levels, especially doing the quest in areas like TD.  You can be very successful early on if your willing to be patient and put a little work into it.  Crafting is very easy to do from levels 1-20 and it can make a world of difference.  I'd suggest choosing what main character class you want to play and then making him a crafter that benefits you, such as an armoursmith if your a chain/plate wearing class.  Once you get the hang of crafting and see how easy it is, i'd suggest rolling up two alts and make one craft food and one craft your spell/combat arts which I believe is either alchemy or jewelry.  I would try to do most of my resource gathering for T1 and T2 before you hit level 10 so you can get the rares you need without being pvp'd.  Once you do hit level 10 with your main character I would level lock and start going to areas like oakmyst forest and the peat bog.  Do the quest there and kill all the named npcs you can and this will help build up your AA.  I think if you play a scout class you will have an easier time surviving since you can track and hide/sneak around, another good option is a warden/fury since you can heal yourself.  If you do play with a group try to have classes that go together well and one of them should have some kind of healing ability.

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Old 11-27-2007, 12:28 PM   #13
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Level 10 is the worst level.  Gankable and defenseless.  Stay in town and run errands until you hit 12 and can use at least mastercrafted gear.  Of course there's the issue of acquiring said gear ... or, as suggested above, start out there, do a bunch of quests, gear the bejesus out of yourself, read up on the betrayal quests and then switch teams at a later date.  The speed with which one can level when under 20 is enough that you're talking about spending a few days at most as a wolf-in-sheeps' clothing. 

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Old 11-27-2007, 12:32 PM   #14
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Last night I took the advice given above.  I turned off combat experience, tried to do some quests but was continuously gank in DL Wood.  It was pointless to be logged on. 

Without reading spoilers I took the carpet ride to the burning sands hoping to find these TD quests but of course everything was far too high.   I'll need to read the spoilers to find my way to these Timultuous Deep quests for T2 characters.   I'll give that a try and see what happens.  Its clear I need to get out of Darklight Woods if I want to play at all.

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Old 11-27-2007, 01:27 PM   #15
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well.. if your not evil. your probably going to get ganked more in TD than where u are now. if your on nagafen maybe we can group up later tonight and try this thing as a duo.
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