The Nine Prophets - Page 8

Cusashorn · 07-20-2006, 01:50 AM

DebasedMorals wrote:
Nine Contemplations, The

This book is titled "The Nine Contemplations". It presents several riddles that the druids and rangers of a place called the Surefall Glade would puzzle over.

To know truth, one must understand the cycles of life and nature. In order to find harmony within the Surefall Glade, you must find harmony within yourself. Take these mantras and know them in your heart. When the words become second thought, then you will have found your balance within the world.

Growth"Stasis without thought, Timeless nothing is a wrong. Once this sprouts from naught, It will guide one all life long."

Decay"To live one's full life, One must start and one must end. As joy is to strife, It is growth's only true friend."

Health"When life is so quick, Vim and vigor should not hide. The mind pours the tonic, Body is where it resides."

Ocean"To ride on it's back, One feels the strength of our moons. Sink into it's black, One will gaze at life filled dunes."

Sky"It falls from above, And sinks deep into the lung. True home of the dove, And every song it has sung."

Storm"In numbers they're loud, And forms tempests from breezes. Welcome it's wet shroud, For it's gift replenishes."

"If one stares too long, It will be the last sight seen. From it trees grow strong, Changing yellow into green."

Underfoot"Darkness rules supreme,In the globe below the peat.Just as in a dream,It's gateway is it's conceit."

Hope"When all things are none, When existence is bereft, There will be but one, The only thing that is left."

This book has nothing to do with this topic. That book is about the 9 parts of Nature (as in Tunare) that are essential to a druid's life.

Besides: There is no god of Hope, and Bertoxxulous and Rodcet Nife have already been ruled out.

Shankalot · 07-20-2006, 02:09 AM

the last god is brell, found him just now =)

troodon · 07-20-2006, 02:12 AM

He was found back on like page 2

Emerix · 07-20-2006, 02:19 AM

Still no idea how to quote but the things onn the pots was Veeshans symbol .that was discussed in a topic on another forum . wonder if i can find it ..

Mirander_1 · 07-20-2006, 02:25 AM

checked out the caves in EL, and there's nothing

Cusashorn · 07-20-2006, 04:06 AM

Emerix wrote:
Still no idea how to quote but the things onn the pots was Veeshans symbol .that was discussed in a topic on another forum . wonder if i can find it ..

Insert a Horizontal Line Align Left Outdent Numbered List

Click .................................^ That thought bubble to quote.

and no. Those are not the symbol of Veeshan on the Neriak fire pots.

xchimaerax · 07-20-2006, 06:58 PM

Prophets of the plaguebringer are in Antonica north east of the ruins of caltorsis on the coast.Gods appear to be:

good

-Mithanial Marr

-Quellious

-Tunare

neutral

-Solusek Ro

-Brell Serilis

-Rallos Zek

Evil

-Innoruuk

-Cazic Thule-Bertoxxolous

Emerix · 07-20-2006, 07:01 PM

Wee thanks for telling me how to quote !

xchimaerax wrote:
Prophets of the plaguebringer are in Antonica north east of the ruins of caltorsis on the coast.

Gods appear to be:

good

-Mithanial Marr

-Quellious

-Tunare

neutral

-Solusek Ro

-Brell Serilis

-Rallos Zek

Evil

-Innoruuk

-Cazic Thule
-Bertoxxolous

Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?

KniteShayd · 07-20-2006, 07:05 PM

No one has said if Runnyeye was empty..., I dont think

Emerix · 07-20-2006, 07:08 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

and no. Those are not the symbol of Veeshan on the Neriak fire pots.

Foung in the raven mythic forums :

/quote

There is alot of very twisted lore here... hmm... Let me explain.

Verant, the original Creators of EQ1, had there own lore and it goes like this.

Of Caerthiel

The Dragons had relinquished their hold over Norrath, and what are now known as the elder races, the Elves and the Dwarves, stepped out from under their gargantuan shadow. The Dwarves sprang forth from the earth, to hold dominion over their mountainous kingdoms. The elves took to the primeval forests of Norrath, creating a vast empire that spanned several continents. Ruling from the city of Caerthiel , the Elves lived in peace, under the guidance of Innoruk, the elven god.

Of the rebellion and the outpost of Wielle

As the corruption in the empire grew, so did the unrest in many elves hearts. They wanted more and more power for themselves. They grew suspicious of the strength of Innoruk, choosing to destroy his works, and kill his servants. At first they were small in size, and weak in power. But as the years went by the rebels grew in leaps and bounds, using treacherous methods to slander the leaders of the Elven Empire. The first sign of the growing rebellion came at the Elven outpost of Wielle, located where the city of Freeport is today. Wielle was loyal to the empire, and therefore, enemies of the rebels. A rebel army under the captain Paetroen savagely attacked it. The citizens of the outpost were killed.

That action shattered centuries of relative peace. Suddenly the Empire had to face a new enemy, a darkness in its mist. The Emperor, Kel'anthinstion, called on all of the citizens of the Empire to fight for the cause of Innoruk. He sent his most trusted advisers, all disciples of Innoruk, to the far reaches of the empire. They were to gather support to fight the rebels and support the unity of the empire. The rebels had sent their own recruiters using underhanded tactics to undermine the populace’s faith in their God. The war droned on for countless years.

Of the battle of Aerignon and the Wild Elves

The war was a stalemate. That changed with the battle of Aerignon, named after the province of the empire where it took place. The loyal forces of the empire thought to catch Paetroen and his rebels unprepared. They attacked him at his home base, just north of Elizerain Lake. Forces were massed and placed under the direct command of the Emperor himself. He was to lead the army of Innoruk to destroy the rebels once and for all. As the army encircled Peatroen's military headquarters, a victory for the blessed forces of Innoruk seemed assured. Out maneuvered and outnumbered, the Rebels could not get enough forces to turn back the impending assault, and escape by any means, was impossible.

But the imperial victory was denied that day, as a third player in the war, the wild elves, tipped there hand. The wild elf was a term used by citizens of the empire for the primitive elves the lived beyond the borders of the empire. They had remained neutral throughout the war, but had succumbed to the rebel’s promises of victory, and had joined the war on their side. What was supposed to be a day of victory for the Empire turned into its greatest defeat. The emperor himself was killed when an wild elf assassin slipped into his tent and killed him from behind. On that day the Empire was doomed.

Of the fall of the Imperial City

The war lasted for several years after the death of the emperor. In desperation, the remaining loyalists sent messengers to the Dwarven Kingdoms for aid against the rebels. They returned, saying the Dwarves were fighting their own war, and would send no help. With the help of new fiendish magic, the Rebels pushed the loyalists back to their capital, Caerthiel, which was in what is now known as the loping planes. Inside, the last of the loyalists huddled in their homes, holding on to the last remnants of their shattered empire. With out a leader to rally them, they were as good as dead.

Help came in the form of a priest of Innoruk, who rose up as leader. His name changes with every telling, but the fact remains that in the dark of the night, the day before the final assault on Caerthiel, the priest led the last of the loyalists in to the earth. Through a chasm that was opened and closed by Innoruk himself. When the Rebel army assaulted the city the next day, they found nothing but a ghost town, devoid of any life.

Of the Elven schism Dark Elves - High Elves - Forest Elves

As the loyalists took refuge underground, the rebels thought themselves the winners of the War of the Broken crown. They took on the moniker "High Elves", while the wild elves became more commonly known as wood elves. Without the loyalists to guide it, the Empire fell apart. The elves that remained on the surface, the high elves, could not stand the symbol of Caerthiel, and in a fit of rage they destroyed it. They created their capital of Felwithe on the very spot where the emperor was murdered, in the battle that destroyed the empire. The loyalists fled east to the wild and uncharted continent of Antonica. There they established the well guarded and underground city of Neriak, where they stayed for many years trying to rebuild their once great empire and all the while plotting for revenge against the rebels who forced them from Faydwer. Having been exposed to decades of low light in their underground kingdom and to harsh conditions, the skin of those elves still loyal to Innoruk has become darker and the elves themselves have been made into warriors guided by the power of their god. They are feared by the denizens of Antonica, who call the loyalists "dark elves."

-The Details-
*Innoruuk was the GOOD god of ALL elves.
*Tunare stole the hearts of some elves.
*The Elven City Felewith was NOT the capitol of Innoruuk's elves, but a city built on the sight of the death of the Emperior.
*Innoruuk traveled with his people thru the tunnel, and on the journey, became twisted by bitterness and hatred over what had happened. The Journey also changed his Loyalists into Dark Elves.

As for why Veeshan is respected by the Teir'dal..

If anyone still has there EQ1 Beta Handbook it explains that well.

Veeshan found Norrath, She marked it, She claimed it.

Brell, Rallos and.. umm.. Raithe? or Prexus? i forget, Decided to take there "fair share" of it from her and planted there own minions on the planet to keep hers in check.

More and More gods kept joining in on the pact to Create Minions here to keep Veeshan in check, but they never invited Innoruuk..

The Writings of the Church of the First Born Theorise that this was done because they feared his power and wanted to take HIS fair share of the planet for themselves.

The Followers of Innoruuk Hate everyone else, because they stole what was innoruuks. They respect Veeshan because she is a goddess, and not just a goddess, but the only one who did not plot against Innoruuk.

In the minds of the Teir'dal, Innoruuk and Veeshan are the only true gods, the others are just "The Lying Ones."

The Litany of Birth

The Priest shall recite the first lines, and the entire congregation as one shall state each response.

Listen to my words, for my mouth is the Mouth of Innoruuk.

In the time that all was dark, Veeshan, the Winged Mother, came upon this world while hunting. She saw that it was rich and promising, and would nurture her great children, and so here laid her eggs.

Hail the Name of the Winged Mother

The Creeping Coward Brell Serilis discovered her nest, and through treacherous cunning made pacts with the other gods to steal the world from the Winged Mother.

Curse the Name of the Creeping Coward

The gods in their council said "Let us not speak of this to Innoruuk, for He is great, but by trickery we may have what is rightfully his, as well."

Revile the False Council of Gods

Then the gods covered the world with their worms, and these worms crawled to all the corners of the world, and grew into the Others.

Hate the Children of Lying Gods

But Our Father could not be deceived, nor can he be thwarted.

Praise the Will of Innoruuk

He took for His own the first Queen and King of all the Elves from their thrones at Takish-Hiz. He led them from Tunare, the False Mother. He lifted them from their ignorance and showed them His Will.

Bow to the Name of the Eternal Queen and King

We are their children. We are the instruments of Our Father’s Will. We shall destroy the offspring of the false gods and cleanse the world of their treachery. We will deliver this world to Our Father.

Strive for the Day of Darkening

Thus ends the Litany of Birth

Now, after reading the above, you'll see it contadicts the Legend of Caerthel.. Why? because SoE thought it would be fun to scrap and change the lore Verant had and totally destroy how the game was created to go with something new. And we, as roleplayers, had to adapt to that.
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Message Edited by Emerix on 07-20-2006 08:09 AM

Renita_Serafim · 07-20-2006, 07:10 PM

This is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous.

xchimaerax · 07-20-2006, 08:37 PM

"Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?"I didnt talk to them but they are set up exactly like the rest of them - 1 at the center of a group, named with under his name with followers around him. I took a screenshot of it, but I am at work for another hour or so. I will post the screen when I get home.

Message Edited by xchimaerax on 07-20-2006 11:40 AM

Tarkin-Wretch · 07-20-2006, 08:39 PM

sorry emerix but there are established guidelines for what is acceptable eq2 lore. i wont go into great detail about your post but most of the info in your post does not qualify as acceptable lore in eq2. its been well documented how dark elves were created. some beta lore, however creative it may sound, did not make into the game for release therefore it is not correct. sony did not alter the lore verant had created, at least not in the beginning. verant was perfectly in control of their vision for a long time. so your speculation on why that symbol is veeshan doesnt have any facts to back it.

i like a healthy debate but lets not confuse facts with fiction. i have yet to see any proof that its one or the other but if i had to make an educated guess i would say the majority think its not veeshan. as i said before i think the symbols are gods not races so more specifically i think its inny. this is my opinion and i have no facts to back it.

Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on 07-20-2006 12:42 PM

Lonissa · 07-20-2006, 08:40 PM

Those are mobs that are spawned for the level 20 leather armor quests (it's a dynamic camp, you have to kill a couple rounds of restless caltorsites to spawn the plaguebringer acolytes, or rarely the Priest of the Plaguebringers). This is not the same as the prophet NPC's that have been discovered.

RaphaNissi · 07-20-2006, 08:41 PM

I went there and didn't see anything. Are you refering to the Priest of the Plaguebringer and his acolytes who can spawn around the ruins?edit : someone beat me to the post SMILEY

On a side note, could the symbol be for the Nameless? /shrug

Message Edited by RaphaNissi on 07-20-2006 11:42 AM

xchimaerax · 07-20-2006, 08:45 PM

Emaleth2000 wrote:Those are mobs that are spawned for the level 20 leather armor quests (it's a dynamic camp, you have to kill a couple rounds of restless caltorsites to spawn the plaguebringer acolytes, or rarely the Priest of the Plaguebringers). This is not the same as the prophet NPC's that have been discovered.

Ah, since I only play chars from Freeport, I did not know that. I just happened to be running through to help someone with something and saw them. I have to admit I was a little surprised no one else posted anything.Oh well, if they are quest mobs, then disregard. I claim the ignorance of a Freeport dweller. :smileyvery-happy:

Emerix · 07-20-2006, 08:57 PM

Tarkin-Wretched wrote:

sorry emerix but there are established guidelines for what is acceptable eq2 lore. i wont go into great detail about your post but most of the info in your post does not qualify as acceptable lore in eq2. its been well documented how dark elves were created. some beta lore, however creative it may sound, did not make into the game for release therefore it is not correct. sony did not alter the lore verant had created, at least not in the beginning. verant was perfectly in control of their vision for a long time. so your speculation on why that symbol is veeshan doesnt have any facts to back it.

i like a healthy debate but lets not confuse facts with fiction. i have yet to see any proof that its one or the other but if i had to make an educated guess i would say the majority think its not veeshan. as i said before i think the symbols are gods not races so more specifically i think its inny. this is my opinion and i have no facts to back it.

Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on 07-20-2006 12:42 PM

I guess i just quoted too much . The point of the quote was where the poster said the Dark Elves respect Veeshan because ... etc . If you dont mind reading that part again . I think the Veeshan symbols in neriak may be there because the dark elves respect her for whatever reason they may have . After all is a really mighty .. thing ... And if these symbols werent changed since the game was developed they may still represent the old idea . Even if the lore itself has changed by now . Alas i didnt play EQ 1 for more than few weeks so if you can tell me what those symbols are with proof then please do so .

Punkbr · 07-20-2006, 09:13 PM

xchimaerax wrote:
"Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?"I didnt talk to them but they are set up exactly like the rest of them - 1 at the center of a group, named with under his name with followers around him. I took a screenshot of it, but I am at work for another hour or so. I will post the screen when I get home.
Message Edited by xchimaerax on 07-20-2006 11:40 AM

Those mobs have always been there, but I've never seen one with that title under his name.

Dreyco · 07-20-2006, 09:15 PM

OOC: If i'm not mistaken, Caerthiel comes from the Codex of War, which is a large work of fan-fiction, not to be confused with canon EverQuest Live Lore. I believe Vhalen did comment on the symbol of Veeshan, and why it was all over Neriak... in his own, mysterious way as always SMILEY

. I'm wondering... "The Nine" as it is stated by several sources, maybe it's time to turn back to the Tome of Destiny, and some of the older Lore. How many gods did it mention there? How many "left" Norrath? If there's a match, we might have a bit of a nudge in the right direction of finding just who this last god is. If I remember correctly, Karana is indeed a part of it. I might be wrong though! I'd look it up, but there's a rather nasty corporate firewall in my way *Chuckles*

DebasedMora · 07-20-2006, 09:22 PM

I just want to clarify one thing for everyone... I hate when people make distinctions between Verant and SOE... Verant was a subsidiary of Sony. John Smedly was the head of Verant, and an employee of Sony. Verant was partially disolved and partially changed into RedEye, but Sony didn't like the name I guess, and decided to make a final switch to Sony Online Entertainment. Smedly has been at the helm of Sonys MMOs since the begining. Verant wasn't bought out, they were always owned by Sony. Thus, The Lore we have in-game is the Official John Smedly, Sony Approved Lore. Beta Lore has nothing to do with In-Game Lore. Because, and I reitterate, it is not Sony Approved, because has been, at every stage in the development of Everquest, involved in the development process.

KniteShayd · 07-20-2006, 09:24 PM

Astralmage wrote:

This is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous.

Thats what i was talking about. this and the lore of the dark elves.

VizP · 07-20-2006, 10:26 PM

Guys - there was never a 'Prophet of the Plaguebringer there' previous.. the rare spawn you are thinking about is the 'Priest of the Plaguebringer' - the priest of the plaguebringer was a rare spawn and there were plaguebringer acolytes there.It seems that this has now been replaced by a 'prophet'. It looks pretty much like the last god is the one of death and decay - bertox which makes sense since it brings the full evil god count to three - Cazik, Innoruuk and Bertox - the big threesome.The prophet is basically in the same spot as the previous priests and acolytes which again makes sense since its a known gathering spot for some of his followers so his prophet would likely choose that spot. Ill try grab screenshots now and post (time to get back to Antonica yey! SMILEY

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Message Edited by VizP on 07-20-2006 11:27 AM

Mirander_1 · 07-20-2006, 11:05 PM

Ok, I looked for the Bertoxx prophet and found nothing. Just to be sure, we are talking about an NPC that gives dialouge, and not a MOB that you kill, right?

Sedden · 07-20-2006, 11:05 PM

VizP wrote:
Guys - there was never a 'Prophet of the Plaguebringer there' previous.. the rare spawn you are thinking about is the 'Priest of the Plaguebringer' - the priest of the plaguebringer was a rare spawn and there were plaguebringer acolytes there.

It seems that this has now been replaced by a 'prophet'. It looks pretty much like the last god is the one of death and decay - bertox which makes sense since it brings the full evil god count to three - Cazik, Innoruuk and Bertox - the big threesome.

The prophet is basically in the same spot as the previous priests and acolytes which again makes sense since its a known gathering spot for some of his followers so his prophet would likely choose that spot. Ill try grab screenshots now and post (time to get back to Antonica yey! )

Message Edited by VizP on 07-20-2006 11:27 AM

Then this "Prophet" is only on your server because he's not on mine because im been out at the ruins for awhile now and there is no prophet of the Plaguebringer so either post a screenshot or drop it

Only thing i found was the same old Priest of the Plaguebringer mob

Message Edited by Sedden on 07-20-2006 12:12 PM

shadowscale · 07-20-2006, 11:06 PM

it cant be bert anyway, unless one of the three evil gods already mentiond is actualy neutral

troodon · 07-20-2006, 11:26 PM

KniteShayd wrote:

Astralmage wrote:
This is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous.

Thats what i was talking about. this and the lore of the dark elves.

There's no substantiation of the claim there, just two people claiming it's Veeshan's symbol.

To Emerix: Verant scrapped the Caerthiel lore, seeing as SOE didn't acquire Verant until June 1, 2000. And that's a weak-sauce explanation for why the Teir'Dal would create icons of Veeshan; a whole race who are fanatical zealots for a single god are not going to put another god's symbol all over their stuff.

KniteShayd · 07-20-2006, 11:45 PM

troodon wrote:

KniteShayd wrote:

Astralmage wrote:
This is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous.

Thats what i was talking about. this and the lore of the dark elves.

There's no substantiation of the claim there, just two people claiming it's Veeshan's symbol.

To Emerix: Verant scrapped the Caerthiel lore, seeing as SOE didn't acquire Verant until June 1, 2000. And that's a weak-sauce explanation for why the Teir'Dal would create icons of Veeshan; a whole race who are fanatical zealots for a single god are not going to put another god's symbol all over their stuff.

Did you read Vhalen's posting? he said that they (veeshan's symbol) are there (In neriak) but there is no info on who put em there, or how they got thier, or why.

If this was the case, the lore that was stated, then that would make sense. Perhaps Vhalen can clarify this?

/turns to Vhalen with raised eyebrows

RaphaNissi · 07-20-2006, 11:54 PM

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where he confirmed or denied it was Veeshan's symbol.

Punkbr · 07-21-2006, 12:06 AM

xchimaerax wrote:
"Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?"I didnt talk to them but they are set up exactly like the rest of them - 1 at the center of a group, named with under his name with followers around him. I took a screenshot of it, but I am at work for another hour or so. I will post the screen when I get home.
Message Edited by xchimaerax on 07-20-2006 11:40 AM

We're still waiting for that screenshot :

troodon · 07-21-2006, 12:33 AM

KniteShayd wrote:

Did you read Vhalen's posting? he said that they (veeshan's symbol) are there (In neriak) but there is no info on who put em there, or how they got thier, or why.

?

Vhalen didn't say anything about that being Veeshan's symbol.

Message Edited by troodon on 07-20-2006 01:41 PM

07-20-2006, 01:50 AM	#211
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	DebasedMorals wrote: Nine Contemplations, The This book is titled "The Nine Contemplations". It presents several riddles that the druids and rangers of a place called the Surefall Glade would puzzle over. To know truth, one must understand the cycles of life and nature. In order to find harmony within the Surefall Glade, you must find harmony within yourself. Take these mantras and know them in your heart. When the words become second thought, then you will have found your balance within the world. Growth"Stasis without thought, Timeless nothing is a wrong. Once this sprouts from naught, It will guide one all life long." Decay"To live one's full life, One must start and one must end. As joy is to strife, It is growth's only true friend." Health"When life is so quick, Vim and vigor should not hide. The mind pours the tonic, Body is where it resides." Ocean"To ride on it's back, One feels the strength of our moons. Sink into it's black, One will gaze at life filled dunes." Sky"It falls from above, And sinks deep into the lung. True home of the dove, And every song it has sung." Storm"In numbers they're loud, And forms tempests from breezes. Welcome it's wet shroud, For it's gift replenishes." "If one stares too long, It will be the last sight seen. From it trees grow strong, Changing yellow into green." Underfoot"Darkness rules supreme,In the globe below the peat.Just as in a dream,It's gateway is it's conceit." Hope"When all things are none, When existence is bereft, There will be but one, The only thing that is left." This book has nothing to do with this topic. That book is about the 9 parts of Nature (as in Tunare) that are essential to a druid's life. Besides: There is no god of Hope, and Bertoxxulous and Rodcet Nife have already been ruled out.

07-20-2006, 02:09 AM	#212
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07-20-2006, 04:06 AM	#216
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Emerix wrote: Still no idea how to quote but the things onn the pots was Veeshans symbol .that was discussed in a topic on another forum . wonder if i can find it .. Click .................................^ That thought bubble to quote. and no. Those are not the symbol of Veeshan on the Neriak fire pots.

07-20-2006, 02:19 AM	#214
Emerix Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 371	Still no idea how to quote but the things onn the pots was Veeshans symbol .that was discussed in a topic on another forum . wonder if i can find it ..

07-20-2006, 06:58 PM	#217
xchimaerax Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	Prophets of the plaguebringer are in Antonica north east of the ruins of caltorsis on the coast.Gods appear to be: good -Mithanial Marr -Quellious -Tunare neutral -Solusek Ro -Brell Serilis -Rallos Zek Evil -Innoruuk -Cazic Thule-Bertoxxolous __________________

07-20-2006, 07:01 PM	#218
Emerix Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 371	Wee thanks for telling me how to quote ! xchimaerax wrote: Prophets of the plaguebringer are in Antonica north east of the ruins of caltorsis on the coast. Gods appear to be: good -Mithanial Marr -Quellious -Tunare neutral -Solusek Ro -Brell Serilis -Rallos Zek Evil -Innoruuk -Cazic Thule -Bertoxxolous Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?

07-20-2006, 07:05 PM	#219
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	No one has said if Runnyeye was empty..., I dont think

07-20-2006, 07:08 PM	#220
Emerix Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 371	Cusashorn wrote: and no. Those are not the symbol of Veeshan on the Neriak fire pots. Foung in the raven mythic forums : /quote There is alot of very twisted lore here... hmm... Let me explain. Verant, the original Creators of EQ1, had there own lore and it goes like this. Of Caerthiel The Dragons had relinquished their hold over Norrath, and what are now known as the elder races, the Elves and the Dwarves, stepped out from under their gargantuan shadow. The Dwarves sprang forth from the earth, to hold dominion over their mountainous kingdoms. The elves took to the primeval forests of Norrath, creating a vast empire that spanned several continents. Ruling from the city of Caerthiel , the Elves lived in peace, under the guidance of Innoruk, the elven god. Of the rebellion and the outpost of Wielle As the corruption in the empire grew, so did the unrest in many elves hearts. They wanted more and more power for themselves. They grew suspicious of the strength of Innoruk, choosing to destroy his works, and kill his servants. At first they were small in size, and weak in power. But as the years went by the rebels grew in leaps and bounds, using treacherous methods to slander the leaders of the Elven Empire. The first sign of the growing rebellion came at the Elven outpost of Wielle, located where the city of Freeport is today. Wielle was loyal to the empire, and therefore, enemies of the rebels. A rebel army under the captain Paetroen savagely attacked it. The citizens of the outpost were killed. That action shattered centuries of relative peace. Suddenly the Empire had to face a new enemy, a darkness in its mist. The Emperor, Kel'anthinstion, called on all of the citizens of the Empire to fight for the cause of Innoruk. He sent his most trusted advisers, all disciples of Innoruk, to the far reaches of the empire. They were to gather support to fight the rebels and support the unity of the empire. The rebels had sent their own recruiters using underhanded tactics to undermine the populace’s faith in their God. The war droned on for countless years. Of the battle of Aerignon and the Wild Elves The war was a stalemate. That changed with the battle of Aerignon, named after the province of the empire where it took place. The loyal forces of the empire thought to catch Paetroen and his rebels unprepared. They attacked him at his home base, just north of Elizerain Lake. Forces were massed and placed under the direct command of the Emperor himself. He was to lead the army of Innoruk to destroy the rebels once and for all. As the army encircled Peatroen's military headquarters, a victory for the blessed forces of Innoruk seemed assured. Out maneuvered and outnumbered, the Rebels could not get enough forces to turn back the impending assault, and escape by any means, was impossible. But the imperial victory was denied that day, as a third player in the war, the wild elves, tipped there hand. The wild elf was a term used by citizens of the empire for the primitive elves the lived beyond the borders of the empire. They had remained neutral throughout the war, but had succumbed to the rebel’s promises of victory, and had joined the war on their side. What was supposed to be a day of victory for the Empire turned into its greatest defeat. The emperor himself was killed when an wild elf assassin slipped into his tent and killed him from behind. On that day the Empire was doomed. Of the fall of the Imperial City The war lasted for several years after the death of the emperor. In desperation, the remaining loyalists sent messengers to the Dwarven Kingdoms for aid against the rebels. They returned, saying the Dwarves were fighting their own war, and would send no help. With the help of new fiendish magic, the Rebels pushed the loyalists back to their capital, Caerthiel, which was in what is now known as the loping planes. Inside, the last of the loyalists huddled in their homes, holding on to the last remnants of their shattered empire. With out a leader to rally them, they were as good as dead. Help came in the form of a priest of Innoruk, who rose up as leader. His name changes with every telling, but the fact remains that in the dark of the night, the day before the final assault on Caerthiel, the priest led the last of the loyalists in to the earth. Through a chasm that was opened and closed by Innoruk himself. When the Rebel army assaulted the city the next day, they found nothing but a ghost town, devoid of any life. Of the Elven schism Dark Elves - High Elves - Forest Elves As the loyalists took refuge underground, the rebels thought themselves the winners of the War of the Broken crown. They took on the moniker "High Elves", while the wild elves became more commonly known as wood elves. Without the loyalists to guide it, the Empire fell apart. The elves that remained on the surface, the high elves, could not stand the symbol of Caerthiel, and in a fit of rage they destroyed it. They created their capital of Felwithe on the very spot where the emperor was murdered, in the battle that destroyed the empire. The loyalists fled east to the wild and uncharted continent of Antonica. There they established the well guarded and underground city of Neriak, where they stayed for many years trying to rebuild their once great empire and all the while plotting for revenge against the rebels who forced them from Faydwer. Having been exposed to decades of low light in their underground kingdom and to harsh conditions, the skin of those elves still loyal to Innoruk has become darker and the elves themselves have been made into warriors guided by the power of their god. They are feared by the denizens of Antonica, who call the loyalists "dark elves." -The Details- Innoruuk was the GOOD god of ALL elves. Tunare stole the hearts of some elves. The Elven City Felewith was NOT the capitol of Innoruuk's elves, but a city built on the sight of the death of the Emperior. Innoruuk traveled with his people thru the tunnel, and on the journey, became twisted by bitterness and hatred over what had happened. The Journey also changed his Loyalists into Dark Elves. As for why Veeshan is respected by the Teir'dal.. If anyone still has there EQ1 Beta Handbook it explains that well. Veeshan found Norrath, She marked it, She claimed it. Brell, Rallos and.. umm.. Raithe? or Prexus? i forget, Decided to take there "fair share" of it from her and planted there own minions on the planet to keep hers in check. More and More gods kept joining in on the pact to Create Minions here to keep Veeshan in check, but they never invited Innoruuk.. The Writings of the Church of the First Born Theorise that this was done because they feared his power and wanted to take HIS fair share of the planet for themselves. The Followers of Innoruuk Hate everyone else, because they stole what was innoruuks. They respect Veeshan because she is a goddess, and not just a goddess, but the only one who did not plot against Innoruuk. In the minds of the Teir'dal, Innoruuk and Veeshan are the only true gods, the others are just "The Lying Ones." The Litany of Birth The Priest shall recite the first lines, and the entire congregation as one shall state each response. Listen to my words, for my mouth is the Mouth of Innoruuk. In the time that all was dark, Veeshan, the Winged Mother, came upon this world while hunting. She saw that it was rich and promising, and would nurture her great children, and so here laid her eggs. Hail the Name of the Winged Mother The Creeping Coward Brell Serilis discovered her nest, and through treacherous cunning made pacts with the other gods to steal the world from the Winged Mother. Curse the Name of the Creeping Coward The gods in their council said "Let us not speak of this to Innoruuk, for He is great, but by trickery we may have what is rightfully his, as well." Revile the False Council of Gods Then the gods covered the world with their worms, and these worms crawled to all the corners of the world, and grew into the Others. Hate the Children of Lying Gods But Our Father could not be deceived, nor can he be thwarted. Praise the Will of Innoruuk He took for His own the first Queen and King of all the Elves from their thrones at Takish-Hiz. He led them from Tunare, the False Mother. He lifted them from their ignorance and showed them His Will. Bow to the Name of the Eternal Queen and King We are their children. We are the instruments of Our Father’s Will. We shall destroy the offspring of the false gods and cleanse the world of their treachery. We will deliver this world to Our Father. Strive for the Day of Darkening Thus ends the Litany of Birth Now, after reading the above, you'll see it contadicts the Legend of Caerthel.. Why? because SoE thought it would be fun to scrap and change the lore Verant had and totally destroy how the game was created to go with something new. And we, as roleplayers, had to adapt to that. _________________ Skach Olath'Velve, Demonic Warlock of the Harvest. /quote Message Edited by Emerix on 07-20-2006 08:09 AM

07-20-2006, 07:10 PM	#221
Renita_Serafim Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 760	This is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous.

07-20-2006, 08:37 PM	#222
xchimaerax Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	"Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?"I didnt talk to them but they are set up exactly like the rest of them - 1 at the center of a group, named with under his name with followers around him. I took a screenshot of it, but I am at work for another hour or so. I will post the screen when I get home. Message Edited by xchimaerax on 07-20-2006 11:40 AM __________________

07-20-2006, 08:39 PM	#223
Tarkin-Wretch Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 132	sorry emerix but there are established guidelines for what is acceptable eq2 lore. i wont go into great detail about your post but most of the info in your post does not qualify as acceptable lore in eq2. its been well documented how dark elves were created. some beta lore, however creative it may sound, did not make into the game for release therefore it is not correct. sony did not alter the lore verant had created, at least not in the beginning. verant was perfectly in control of their vision for a long time. so your speculation on why that symbol is veeshan doesnt have any facts to back it. i like a healthy debate but lets not confuse facts with fiction. i have yet to see any proof that its one or the other but if i had to make an educated guess i would say the majority think its not veeshan. as i said before i think the symbols are gods not races so more specifically i think its inny. this is my opinion and i have no facts to back it. Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on 07-20-2006 12:42 PM

07-20-2006, 08:40 PM	#224
Lonissa Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Socialist Republic of Canuckistan Posts: 69	Those are mobs that are spawned for the level 20 leather armor quests (it's a dynamic camp, you have to kill a couple rounds of restless caltorsites to spawn the plaguebringer acolytes, or rarely the Priest of the Plaguebringers). This is not the same as the prophet NPC's that have been discovered.

07-20-2006, 08:41 PM	#225
RaphaNissi The Athenaeum Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 721	I went there and didn't see anything. Are you refering to the Priest of the Plaguebringer and his acolytes who can spawn around the ruins?edit : someone beat me to the post On a side note, could the symbol be for the Nameless? /shrug Message Edited by RaphaNissi on 07-20-2006 11:42 AM __________________

07-20-2006, 08:45 PM	#226
xchimaerax Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	Emaleth2000 wrote:Those are mobs that are spawned for the level 20 leather armor quests (it's a dynamic camp, you have to kill a couple rounds of restless caltorsites to spawn the plaguebringer acolytes, or rarely the Priest of the Plaguebringers). This is not the same as the prophet NPC's that have been discovered. Ah, since I only play chars from Freeport, I did not know that. I just happened to be running through to help someone with something and saw them. I have to admit I was a little surprised no one else posted anything.Oh well, if they are quest mobs, then disregard. I claim the ignorance of a Freeport dweller. :smileyvery-happy: __________________

07-20-2006, 08:57 PM	#227
Emerix Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 371	Tarkin-Wretched wrote: sorry emerix but there are established guidelines for what is acceptable eq2 lore. i wont go into great detail about your post but most of the info in your post does not qualify as acceptable lore in eq2. its been well documented how dark elves were created. some beta lore, however creative it may sound, did not make into the game for release therefore it is not correct. sony did not alter the lore verant had created, at least not in the beginning. verant was perfectly in control of their vision for a long time. so your speculation on why that symbol is veeshan doesnt have any facts to back it. i like a healthy debate but lets not confuse facts with fiction. i have yet to see any proof that its one or the other but if i had to make an educated guess i would say the majority think its not veeshan. as i said before i think the symbols are gods not races so more specifically i think its inny. this is my opinion and i have no facts to back it. Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on 07-20-2006 12:42 PM I guess i just quoted too much . The point of the quote was where the poster said the Dark Elves respect Veeshan because ... etc . If you dont mind reading that part again . I think the Veeshan symbols in neriak may be there because the dark elves respect her for whatever reason they may have . After all is a really mighty .. thing ... And if these symbols werent changed since the game was developed they may still represent the old idea . Even if the lore itself has changed by now . Alas i didnt play EQ 1 for more than few weeks so if you can tell me what those symbols are with proof then please do so .

07-20-2006, 09:13 PM	#228
Punkbr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	xchimaerax wrote: "Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?"I didnt talk to them but they are set up exactly like the rest of them - 1 at the center of a group, named with under his name with followers around him. I took a screenshot of it, but I am at work for another hour or so. I will post the screen when I get home. Message Edited by xchimaerax on 07-20-2006 11:40 AM Those mobs have always been there, but I've never seen one with that title under his name. __________________

07-20-2006, 09:15 PM	#229
Dreyco Archive of Ik Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,485	OOC: If i'm not mistaken, Caerthiel comes from the Codex of War, which is a large work of fan-fiction, not to be confused with canon EverQuest Live Lore. I believe Vhalen did comment on the symbol of Veeshan, and why it was all over Neriak... in his own, mysterious way as always . I'm wondering... "The Nine" as it is stated by several sources, maybe it's time to turn back to the Tome of Destiny, and some of the older Lore. How many gods did it mention there? How many "left" Norrath? If there's a match, we might have a bit of a nudge in the right direction of finding just who this last god is. If I remember correctly, Karana is indeed a part of it. I might be wrong though! I'd look it up, but there's a rather nasty corporate firewall in my way Chuckles __________________ Grand Historian of The Archive of Ik

07-20-2006, 09:22 PM	#230
DebasedMora General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	I just want to clarify one thing for everyone... I hate when people make distinctions between Verant and SOE... Verant was a subsidiary of Sony. John Smedly was the head of Verant, and an employee of Sony. Verant was partially disolved and partially changed into RedEye, but Sony didn't like the name I guess, and decided to make a final switch to Sony Online Entertainment. Smedly has been at the helm of Sonys MMOs since the begining. Verant wasn't bought out, they were always owned by Sony. Thus, The Lore we have in-game is the Official John Smedly, Sony Approved Lore. Beta Lore has nothing to do with In-Game Lore. Because, and I reitterate, it is not Sony Approved, because has been, at every stage in the development of Everquest, involved in the development process.

07-20-2006, 09:24 PM	#231
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	Astralmage wrote: This is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous. Thats what i was talking about. this and the lore of the dark elves.

07-20-2006, 10:26 PM	#232
VizP Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 558	Guys - there was never a 'Prophet of the Plaguebringer there' previous.. the rare spawn you are thinking about is the 'Priest of the Plaguebringer' - the priest of the plaguebringer was a rare spawn and there were plaguebringer acolytes there.It seems that this has now been replaced by a 'prophet'. It looks pretty much like the last god is the one of death and decay - bertox which makes sense since it brings the full evil god count to three - Cazik, Innoruuk and Bertox - the big threesome.The prophet is basically in the same spot as the previous priests and acolytes which again makes sense since its a known gathering spot for some of his followers so his prophet would likely choose that spot. Ill try grab screenshots now and post (time to get back to Antonica yey! ) Message Edited by VizP on 07-20-2006 11:27 AM __________________ The Fable of the Soulmover - Silthian's Journal

07-20-2006, 11:05 PM	#233
Mirander_1 Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,229	Ok, I looked for the Bertoxx prophet and found nothing. Just to be sure, we are talking about an NPC that gives dialouge, and not a MOB that you kill, right? __________________ Mirander 90 Wizard Unrest server

07-20-2006, 11:05 PM	#234
Sedden Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	VizP wrote: Guys - there was never a 'Prophet of the Plaguebringer there' previous.. the rare spawn you are thinking about is the 'Priest of the Plaguebringer' - the priest of the plaguebringer was a rare spawn and there were plaguebringer acolytes there. It seems that this has now been replaced by a 'prophet'. It looks pretty much like the last god is the one of death and decay - bertox which makes sense since it brings the full evil god count to three - Cazik, Innoruuk and Bertox - the big threesome. The prophet is basically in the same spot as the previous priests and acolytes which again makes sense since its a known gathering spot for some of his followers so his prophet would likely choose that spot. Ill try grab screenshots now and post (time to get back to Antonica yey! ) Message Edited by VizP on 07-20-2006 11:27 AM Then this "Prophet" is only on your server because he's not on mine because im been out at the ruins for awhile now and there is no prophet of the Plaguebringer so either post a screenshot or drop it Only thing i found was the same old Priest of the Plaguebringer mob Message Edited by Sedden on 07-20-2006 12:12 PM

07-20-2006, 11:06 PM	#235
shadowscale Forum Dragon Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,535	it cant be bert anyway, unless one of the three evil gods already mentiond is actualy neutral

07-20-2006, 11:26 PM	#236
troodon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Temple of Terror, Cabilis Posts: 1,098	KniteShayd wrote: Astralmage wrote: This is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous. Thats what i was talking about. this and the lore of the dark elves. There's no substantiation of the claim there, just two people claiming it's Veeshan's symbol. To Emerix: Verant scrapped the Caerthiel lore, seeing as SOE didn't acquire Verant until June 1, 2000. And that's a weak-sauce explanation for why the Teir'Dal would create icons of Veeshan; a whole race who are fanatical zealots for a single god are not going to put another god's symbol all over their stuff. __________________ ---- ROL GRATUL SKORCHERS!!

07-20-2006, 11:45 PM	#237
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	troodon wrote: KniteShayd wrote: Astralmage wrote: This is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous. Thats what i was talking about. this and the lore of the dark elves. There's no substantiation of the claim there, just two people claiming it's Veeshan's symbol. To Emerix: Verant scrapped the Caerthiel lore, seeing as SOE didn't acquire Verant until June 1, 2000. And that's a weak-sauce explanation for why the Teir'Dal would create icons of Veeshan; a whole race who are fanatical zealots for a single god are not going to put another god's symbol all over their stuff. Did you read Vhalen's posting? he said that they (veeshan's symbol) are there (In neriak) but there is no info on who put em there, or how they got thier, or why. If this was the case, the lore that was stated, then that would make sense. Perhaps Vhalen can clarify this? /turns to Vhalen with raised eyebrows

07-20-2006, 11:54 PM	#238
RaphaNissi The Athenaeum Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 721	Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where he confirmed or denied it was Veeshan's symbol. __________________

07-21-2006, 12:06 AM	#239
Punkbr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	xchimaerax wrote: "Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?"I didnt talk to them but they are set up exactly like the rest of them - 1 at the center of a group, named with under his name with followers around him. I took a screenshot of it, but I am at work for another hour or so. I will post the screen when I get home. Message Edited by xchimaerax on 07-20-2006 11:40 AM We're still waiting for that screenshot : __________________

07-21-2006, 12:33 AM	#240
troodon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Temple of Terror, Cabilis Posts: 1,098	KniteShayd wrote: Did you read Vhalen's posting? he said that they (veeshan's symbol) are there (In neriak) but there is no info on who put em there, or how they got thier, or why. ? Vhalen didn't say anything about that being Veeshan's symbol. Message Edited by troodon on 07-20-2006 01:41 PM __________________ ---- ROL GRATUL SKORCHERS!!