ProSiebenSat.1 Games Group FAQ Feedback Thread - Page 64

ranga · 02-24-2012, 06:27 AM

Brasse, I think you are all missing the point.

Giving ground on segregation is only fixing a small part of the problem, you need, really NEED to understand that this is not about SOE wanting to sell Euros to P7S1, it's not about P7S1 wanting to buy your portfolio, it really is about US not wanting anything to do with P7S1, we don't want segregation, we don't want their rubbish EMO P2W SC items, we don't want their hands on the loot tables so they take all the good stuff out and sell it to us, we don't want them having our personal and financial info, WE DON'T WANT THEM PERIOD.

To reiterate, there is NOTHING in this deal for US. Every day you don't back out from this is another nail in the coffin. Make no mistake, this is not just about segregation.

shaard · 02-24-2012, 06:36 AM

dawy wrote:

Calthine wrote:
Impact@Splitpaw wrote:
Can we sue?
I would suspect that SOE's lawyers covered that in our EULA, but you could try.
You're right but at this rate will there be anyone left on the euro servers to start action in the first place?
At this rate i suspect not.

It doesnt matter if anyone is left on the servers, if one party has caused another damage, they can sue.

I'm surprised no-one has raised the spectre of class action lawsuit on this (I dont have the time and my financial investment in EQ2 is minimal). If you are a long term subscriber though, having bought all expansions at release, you have probably spent in the region of $1500-$2000 on this game and I personally would view the ip block a breach of contract and possibly claimable as damages.

A potential $5 to $25 MILLION class action claim will probably make some lawyer situp and take notice and there may even be grounds to get a court order to prevent any IP blocking being put into place, maybe even to get a judicial review of the entire deal.

Sony are on very dodgy ground here both from the legal and PR standpoint. As said, I just dont have enough invested in SOE products anymore to make it worth my while but class action firms such as Rothken will no doubt be really interested in this.

What I am interested in though is my legal rights to data privacy and protection and I am contacting the EFF to enquire if there is a legal case since SOE are acting in violation of the spirit of the contract and essentially forcing a transfer of data via coercion.

Eroks · 02-24-2012, 06:36 AM

From Piestro (new Everqust II Community Relations Manager) posted on EQ2 website as well as in EQ2Wire:

"Working with the EQII Team is a fantastic opportunity and I'm very much looking forward to getting to know all of you; I strongly believe that the true heart of any MMORPG is the community of players who inhabit it. The EverQuest II player community is passionate and creative, and cares about their game; what better group of people to work with could there be?"

Ok... We all know that EQ2 seems to give a lot of importance to us players (AH AH AH) so why this is happening without any kinda of information on WHY and without letting players HAVE A VOICE on the matter?

TBH I don't believe a single word from anyone in SOE anymore. They done us wrong in the past, they do us wrong in the present and they will do us wrong in the future. Money talks and they couldn't care less about players if they are still getting profits.

Kinya · 02-24-2012, 07:09 AM

At least people at PSS1 care enough to give answers.

Protagonist wrote:

Before weekend we will have not a have an answer. Sorry. Technicans needs to figure out things.If the idea works out we will have no barriers for everyone but we need to see and wait what is possible.Before abandon and run away I would wait as the idea we have in mind really solves a lot.

And btw Protagonist is on of the 3 managing directors in PSS1, so I think we can trust his words.

I have to say, that I feel like SOE betrayed my trust, but I have a good feelings now about PSS1.

From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess.

Good news is, they have better payment system than SOE. We pointed to error PT-530 - well known problem with payments that EU players have. They said, they have several (not one, like SOE) payment companies they use, so there shouldn't be problem with that.

Also we throwed an idea of having something similar to Fan Faire but in Europe

It's not that easy to solve that problem - business and technical wise. And its very, very bad for customers. The good thing is PSS1 is talking about it with us. The deal is done, but details of some things can still be discussed.

If you have any questions, just ask them here http://en.alaplaya.net/forum/genera...aq-t492961.html. You can also join IRC channel (server: irc.euirc.net channel: #alaplaya.en ) and ask directly PSS1 staff.

At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE.

Andemon · 02-24-2012, 07:17 AM

Klixe@Splitpaw wrote:

I still think the deal was done by someone, who didn't know what they we're selling, and SOE is actually right now figthing to save their games, and ultimately their jobs...

That's too optimistic.Bear in mind that EQ2 has already lost many (most?) devs and programmers to EQNext. SOE has already given up on EQ2...many of the bugs seem unfixable under the current engine, so they're going to close down the game and this is just an another attempt to make as much profit as possible from what's left. EQ2 will go the way of EQ Online Adventures: no support and no updates.

Instead, they're concentrating on EQNext...and couldn't care less about lost EQ2 customers. Because EQNext is aimed at a different playerbase.

Chaotico · 02-24-2012, 07:20 AM

EQ2Refugee wrote:

I admire your optimism, but I honestly believe you've got anywhere from 48 - 72 hours left to save this game along with the others included in the SOE deal, maybe a week at most. The mainstream gaming press are already starting to run with this story and within the next few hours people across the world will go from having never heard of 'ProSeibenSat1' or 'Alaplaya' to knowing all to well there involvement in selling a gaming community down the swanny, you are about to be involved in a PR nightmare the likes of which I'm not sure you are equiped to handle.

EQ2Refugee wrote that somewhere in the Alaplaya temporary forums (pg.11). i think that nailed it on Alaplayas side as they probably believed it when SOE told them "nah its gonna be fine! you will see!" until a gamer, user, normal dude put it into the right words... "PR nightmare for you..." Obviously Alaplaya realized that to make any money from this deal at all, they better find some way...

*hats off to the EQ2 community if most of the dramatic points in this agreement are overturned!!!

Wirewhisker · 02-24-2012, 07:21 AM

Karrane1 wrote:

Last summer I was 'shiny' harvesting in the Nursery in GF. The shinies are Lore so I looked around for a noobie to give the extras to.
I sent this guy a /tell and it took almost 10 minutes to get an answer.
Come to find out, he is Chinese and spoke almost no English. He was trying to teach it to himself so started playing on a US server.
We became fast friends.. even though he is in his early 20's and I am... well, I am a grandmother. =)
For months I helped him understand our sometimes silly language. And he taught me some Chinese that I have been able to teach my granddaughter.
Its the opportunity to meet ppl like him that I will miss alot. It is /was such a huge part of what makes EQII special for me.
Please Please Please SOE.. dont let this go any further. 8(

Now that's a pretty awesome story. Thanks for putting that out there.

feldon30 · 02-24-2012, 07:21 AM

Again bravo to Alaplaya/P7S1 who seem to be doing everything they can to salvage this deal while SOE says little.

--------------------------

I just wanted to say something about a difference I have seen in the EQ2 Community now, vs two years ago.

It seems at this point, any serious discussion about EQ2 issues only happen once a year — in the hallways and bars of a Las Vegas hotel. I'm talking about Fan Faire. The rest of the year, we get a few platitudes and reassurances and LARPing. I do not feel that 15 minute webcasts replace community interaction which has been sorely lacking on the EQ2 side.

The lack of community involvement in EQ2 has turned the EQ2 community against SOE so strongly that developers I’ve talked to fear to post because everything will be twisted and misinterpreted. Developers are afraid to post because Community won’t have their back.

Right now, every time a controversy comes up, the EQ2 Community Team seem genuinely shocked at player response. It takes hours/days for any kind of response, usually “We’re talking to the top people and will get back to you if we have something to report.” I feel the role of a EQ2 Community Manager is to be PROACTIVE and aware of issues that are coming which will affect players, and then have a response ready to COINCIDE with the announcement.

It’s long since time to go back to some version of the semi-monthly Developer chats, or a semi-monthly list of Developer questions (they can be edited for snark). Right now, MONTHS go by with hardly any news, so we think nothing is happening. There is a thought process settling in at SOE that NOT responding to players is safer than responding. This is not healthy.

ranga · 02-24-2012, 07:22 AM

Kinya@Splitpaw wrote:

At least people at PSS1 care enough to give answers.
Protagonist wrote:
Before weekend we will have not a have an answer. Sorry. Technicans needs to figure out things.If the idea works out we will have no barriers for everyone but we need to see and wait what is possible.Before abandon and run away I would wait as the idea we have in mind really solves a lot.
I have to say, that I feel like SOE betrayed my trust, but I have a good feelings now about PSS1.
From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess.
Good news is, they have better payment system than SOE. We pointed to error PT-530 - well known problem with payments that EU players have. They said, they have several (not one, like SOE) payment companies they use, so there shouldn't be problem with that.
Also we throwed an idea of having something similar to Fan Faire but in Europe
It's not that easy to solve that problem - business and technical wise. And its very, very bad for customers. The good thing is PSS1 is talking about it with us. The deal is done, but details of some things can still be discussed.
If you have any questions, just ask them here http://en.alaplaya.net/forum/genera...aq-t492961.html. You can also join IRC channel (server: irc.euirc.net channel: #alaplaya.en ) and ask directly PSS1 staff.
At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE.

Don't be fooled. They are telling you what you want to hear. See my sig for what they promised on day 1 of this announcement, then reconcile it with SOE FAQ about the deal published this week, a full 6 weeks after Protagonist posted what is in my sig. They told us a lie.

You are allowing them to divide and conquer. Don't fall for it!!

Keelinn · 02-24-2012, 07:23 AM

Kinya@Splitpaw wrote:

From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess.
At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE.

Call me cynical........

Surely they are prepared to say anything and behave in a manner that draws us in only to let us down further down the road, just a thought. At the end of the day they are trying to protect their investement and imo are willing to do anything to placate the masses.

Memlan · 02-24-2012, 07:29 AM

Trevynoae wrote:

Maybe I am plain stupid or have no idea or whatever. Why can other companies do it - but SOE and P7 seem to have a problem?
You could login with whatever account you have! The company you have the account with you pay. Done.
P7S1 promotes their accounts - SOE theirs. Done.
SOE sells SC to a P7S1 accountee? Well - P7S1 gets most of the money. Done.

yes what i was thinking!

I really hope there be a revelation in soe - ProSiebenSat.1 situation soon. i really want to keep playing this game but this all make me worry. our raid force has steady worked with progression, it is fun to see how stable we have become, it is a shame that it is atleast partially breaking apart with ppl already have cancelled there account. i haven't cancelled mine yet i guess i'm hoping for a big acceptable resolution on this matter. but it feels dark, with so many black clouds and blank spots i don't know where i will be in a week. i love this game but the ppl i play with give me the reason to play, with friends cancelling and the situation seams eather uncerten or unacceptable it make me really question if i should play this game.

i really hope that region locking won't be in affect, that splitpaw would continue to work as it is now without delay and with no less security. i really want to keep my account where i can login to us server without having to use a separate account. i can see the new company part in this being they receive money from ppl playing the majority of there time on European server, new company could host European festivities and perhaps fan get together. that is if the fans are still here depending on this being resolved quickly. ppl shouldn't have to worry about delay in updates, pay to win, security etc.

Wirewhisker · 02-24-2012, 07:34 AM

feldon30 wrote:

Again bravo to Alaplaya/P7S1 who seem to be doing everything they can to salvage this deal while SOE says little.
--------------------------
I just wanted to say something about a difference I have seen in the EQ2 Community now, vs two years ago.
It seems at this point, any serious discussion about EQ2 issues only happen once a year — in the hallways and bars of a Las Vegas hotel. I'm talking about Fan Faire. The rest of the year, we get a few platitudes and reassurances and LARPing. I do not feel that 15 minute webcasts replace community interaction which has been sorely lacking on the EQ2 side.

The lack of community involvement in EQ2 has turned the EQ2 community against SOE so strongly that developers I’ve talked to fear to post because everything will be twisted and misinterpreted. Developers are afraid to post because Community won’t have their back.

Right now, every time a controversy comes up, the EQ2 Community Team seem genuinely shocked at player response. It takes hours/days for any kind of response, usually “We’re talking to the top people and will get back to you if we have something to report.” I feel the role of a EQ2 Community Manager is to be PROACTIVE and aware of issues that are coming which will affect players, and then have a response ready to COINCIDE with the announcement.

It’s long since time to go back to some version of the semi-monthly Developer chats, or a semi-monthly list of Developer questions (they can be edited for snark). Right now, MONTHS go by with hardly any news, so we think nothing is happening. There is a thought process settling in at SOE that NOT responding to players is safer than responding. This is not healthy.

I have to say that it scares me that, while all this was going on behind the scenes and deals were being made, that nobody, not one single person at Sony, appears to have stepped up and said "Hey -- wait a minute...has anyone thought about what the players will think about this? Do we even KNOW these people we're dealing with?"

I mean seriously, Sony people aren't nitwits by design, they're smart people...surely they can use Google and fish up the same links to info that we the userbase have provided on this thread, about Alaplaya's deplorable reputation in the gaming community among other issues. It doesn't take a lot of work to make a fake account, and surreptitiously strike up in a convo in 1-9 or 80-89 about this sort of thing, and just get an unscientific feel of what the community would think.

How is it that nobody did the research? Hello? Sony? John? Anyone?

100%, John. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of your user base is against this move. You can't tell me you guys didn't think about this.

You can't get 100% of any group to agree that it's sunny outside, even if they were all standing together looking up! Doesn't that say something to you about the wisdom of this decision?

Iuwene · 02-24-2012, 07:41 AM

ranga wrote:

Kinya@Splitpaw wrote:
At least people at PSS1 care enough to give answers.
Protagonist wrote:
Before weekend we will have not a have an answer. Sorry. Technicans needs to figure out things.If the idea works out we will have no barriers for everyone but we need to see and wait what is possible.Before abandon and run away I would wait as the idea we have in mind really solves a lot.
I have to say, that I feel like SOE betrayed my trust, but I have a good feelings now about PSS1.
From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess.
Good news is, they have better payment system than SOE. We pointed to error PT-530 - well known problem with payments that EU players have. They said, they have several (not one, like SOE) payment companies they use, so there shouldn't be problem with that.
Also we throwed an idea of having something similar to Fan Faire but in Europe
It's not that easy to solve that problem - business and technical wise. And its very, very bad for customers. The good thing is PSS1 is talking about it with us. The deal is done, but details of some things can still be discussed.
If you have any questions, just ask them here http://en.alaplaya.net/forum/genera...aq-t492961.html. You can also join IRC channel (server: irc.euirc.net channel: #alaplaya.en ) and ask directly PSS1 staff.
At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE.
Don't be fooled. They are telling you what you want to hear. See my sig for what they promised on day 1 of this announcement, then reconcile it with SOE FAQ about the deal published this week, a full 6 weeks after Protagonist posted what is in my sig. They told us a lie.
You are allowing them to divide and conquer. Don't fall for it!!

This might be just bad English phrasing (assuming the guy is German), but it implies that for some there will still be barriers - unless he wanted to say anyone.

yadlajoi · 02-24-2012, 07:49 AM

Wirewhisker@Antonia Bayle wrote:

feldon30 wrote:
Again bravo to Alaplaya/P7S1 who seem to be doing everything they can to salvage this deal while SOE says little.
--------------------------
I just wanted to say something about a difference I have seen in the EQ2 Community now, vs two years ago.
It seems at this point, any serious discussion about EQ2 issues only happen once a year — in the hallways and bars of a Las Vegas hotel. I'm talking about Fan Faire. The rest of the year, we get a few platitudes and reassurances and LARPing. I do not feel that 15 minute webcasts replace community interaction which has been sorely lacking on the EQ2 side.

The lack of community involvement in EQ2 has turned the EQ2 community against SOE so strongly that developers I’ve talked to fear to post because everything will be twisted and misinterpreted. Developers are afraid to post because Community won’t have their back.

Right now, every time a controversy comes up, the EQ2 Community Team seem genuinely shocked at player response. It takes hours/days for any kind of response, usually “We’re talking to the top people and will get back to you if we have something to report.” I feel the role of a EQ2 Community Manager is to be PROACTIVE and aware of issues that are coming which will affect players, and then have a response ready to COINCIDE with the announcement.

It’s long since time to go back to some version of the semi-monthly Developer chats, or a semi-monthly list of Developer questions (they can be edited for snark). Right now, MONTHS go by with hardly any news, so we think nothing is happening. There is a thought process settling in at SOE that NOT responding to players is safer than responding. This is not healthy.
I have to say that it scares me that, while all this was going on behind the scenes and deals were being made, that nobody, not one single person at Sony, appears to have stepped up and said "Hey -- wait a minute...has anyone thought about what the players will think about this? Do we even KNOW these people we're dealing with?"
I mean seriously, Sony people aren't nitwits by design, they're smart people...surely they can use Google and fish up the same links to info that we the userbase have provided on this thread, about Alaplaya's deplorable reputation in the gaming community among other issues. It doesn't take a lot of work to make a fake account, and surreptitiously strike up in a convo in 1-9 or 80-89 about this sort of thing, and just get an unscientific feel of what the community would think.
How is it that nobody did the research? Hello? Sony? John? Anyone?
100%, John. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of your user base is against this move. You can't tell me you guys didn't think about this.
You can't get 100% of any group to agree that it's sunny outside, even if they were all standing together looking up! Doesn't that say something to you about the wisdom of this decision?

Money has no odor.

They could sell you to organ dealer they wouldnt care they received the cash already and are whipping their hands cause it s not their problem anymore.

Kasar · 02-24-2012, 07:51 AM

Keelinn@Splitpaw wrote:

Kinya@Splitpaw wrote:
From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess.
At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE.
Call me cynical........
Surely they are prepared to say anything and behave in a manner that draws us in only to let us down further down the road, just a thought. At the end of the day they are trying to protect their investement and imo are willing to do anything to placate the masses.

That's far more than SOE is willing to do or has been willing to for some time. People talk about not trusting these guys, what has SOE done to even seem trustworthy, sell you keyfobs? They just pop out of the ivory tower to show off the latest marketplace items and run back in, with only 2-3 exceptions. The head of community relations hides behind locked threads rather than deal with the community.

At least these people won't have your bank account information sitting in an unencrypted flat file, basically a text file, for YEARS, as they don't even do their own billing if I understood correctly. If they engage the players at all, that would be an improvement over SOE, marketplace 90/320 potions notwithstanding.

arthemis1er · 02-24-2012, 07:52 AM

Freejazzlive wrote:

Would it offend anyone to compromise -- leave Splitpaw as the official "international" server, & commence with the region locks, as described, elsewhere?
Or, would that still cause too much angst? I can totally understand if this isn't seen as a suitable compromise, I'm just putting up the idea.

Two obvious candidate are Splitpaw and Freeport but this is too easy of a way out.No server at all should be region locked(which seems to be something that is discussed internaly now)

yadlajoi · 02-24-2012, 07:55 AM

seems it s working PSS1 doing the damage control is already making people think they are as bad as they really are. SOE is just not answering to look more and more evil while PSS1 doing the smoothpillowtalk is making people praise them for at least communicating /glare at feldon who was banned then got his ban misteriously remove and is now "praising PSS1's communication. "

Wirewhisker · 02-24-2012, 08:00 AM

yadlajoi wrote:

Money has no odor.
They could sell you to organ dealer they wouldnt care they received the cash already and are whipping their hands cause it s not their problem anymore.

This is where I have to disagree, though. Does anyone want to go through the rest of their professional lives as "the guy that wrecked Game-X for no reason other than a quick buck, in the face of united opposition"?? Some of these people might want other jobs someday, and while I'm sure they might have a future as a corporate raider, things like "destroying a community out of general cussedness" don't wear well on a resumé or job history.

yadlajoi · 02-24-2012, 08:02 AM

Wirewhisker@Antonia Bayle wrote:

yadlajoi wrote:
Money has no odor.
They could sell you to organ dealer they wouldnt care they received the cash already and are whipping their hands cause it s not their problem anymore.
This is where I have to disagree, though. Does anyone want to go through the rest of their professional lives as "the guy that wrecked Game-X for no reason other than a quick buck, in the face of united opposition"?? Some of these people might want other jobs someday, and while I'm sure they might have a future as a corporate raider, things like "destroying a community out of general cussedness" don't wear well on a resumé or job history.

Of course they ll get some job again even if the company has hit the ground.

They are the ones that managed to get a huge amount of cash in a quick decision.

Every CEO will want these kind of people cause they have no ethic and general money wich is what shareholder want.

Keelinn · 02-24-2012, 08:03 AM

Kasar wrote:

Keelinn@Splitpaw wrote:
Kinya@Splitpaw wrote:
From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess.
At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE.
Call me cynical........
Surely they are prepared to say anything and behave in a manner that draws us in only to let us down further down the road, just a thought. At the end of the day they are trying to protect their investement and imo are willing to do anything to placate the masses.
That's far more than SOE is willing to do or has been willing to for some time. People talk about not trusting these guys, what has SOE done to even seem trustworthy, sell you keyfobs? They just pop out of the ivory tower to show off the latest marketplace items and run back in, with only 2-3 exceptions. The head of community relations hides behind locked threads rather than deal with the community.
At least these people won't have your bank account information sitting in an unencrypted flat file, basically a text file, for YEARS, as they don't even do their own billing if I understood correctly. If they engage the players at all, that would be an improvement over SOE, marketplace 90/320 potions notwithstanding.

As I said, call me cynical.

But I speak for myself when I say I would rather hear nothing from anyone until the details are concrete, rather than hear some if's and maybe's and meaningless words in an attempt to butter me up. How can telling people what they want to hear be an improvement if it's not true?

Neave · 02-24-2012, 08:07 AM

Trevynoae wrote:

Maybe I am plain stupid or have no idea or whatever. Why can other companies do it - but SOE and P7 seem to have a problem?
You could login with whatever account you have! The company you have the account with you pay. Done.
P7S1 promotes their accounts - SOE theirs. Done.
SOE sells SC to a P7S1 accountee? Well - P7S1 gets most of the money. Done.
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^ This would be a good start.

I sense some announcement over region locking alone though.

I will only be renewing if I can still pay via Sony. That is a MAJOR issue for me.

They could have done this ENTIRE thing invisibly to the end-user, in fact.

ranga · 02-24-2012, 08:09 AM

yadlajoi wrote:

seems it s working PSS1 doing the damage control is already making people think they are as bad as they really are. SOE is just not answering to look more and more evil while PSS1 doing the smoothpillowtalk is making people praise them for at least communicating /glare at feldon who was banned then got his ban misteriously remove and is now "praising PSS1's communication. "

I am glad bans were being rescinded but I really did wonder about exactly the same thing!

Valraukar · 02-24-2012, 08:10 AM

ranga wrote:

To reiterate, there is NOTHING in this deal for US. Every day you don't back out from this is another nail in the coffin. Make no mistake, this is not just about segregation

True, nothing to deal, something to cancel.

Paqo · 02-24-2012, 08:10 AM

How things are for me right now:

1. i feel that i'm expendable and unwanted in EQ by SOE, you know the feeling when you try to hit a merchant ingame and they don't give you a choice, they just say in 3rd person "this merchant doesn't want your business"

2. no matter what the outcome is, this feeling won't go away, if people didn't react enough to make them delay and "read and discuss" this issue, they'd have given us the boot with a twist.

3. to me that whole "awww we listen to you and we are the only ones who reply to you" from the german company, could very well be a trick for us to just think it's better there cause "hey! they care there!" so we can stop "reacting" and just go already.

4. i'm very well aware that this is not a democracy, it's a private company making a living for the employees and a fat wallet for the heads, cause this is how all private companies are, it's just weird to have my money taken and then tossed away like it was nothing

I don't know what else to say.. I'm just keeping on playing till i feel i got my money's worth for the last expansion (no more SC purchases or whatever they release) and then i'll cancel my sub and move on with the rest that already did, unless i get kicked out from AB before that.

sittingbull11 · 02-24-2012, 08:11 AM

wow was regio locked but atleast you could buy Us version and play with us Friends our buy Euro version and play with Euro friends .

Soe doesent even let chooise the say you play Euro you play US.the just putting Time back with 200 years when church TOld us if you do that do this you will go to hell .

People Fought For Freedom Soe in WO 2 FREEDOM i guess you dont understand the word .

it simple means that people should decide what te do with there live , where to play , where to go

ohh and i got name for next expansion . THE EMTY VOID becourse you game wil be emty .

playing EQ from 1999 that 13 year you Treat us like we dont even are people .

You should go see Gold rush and see what happen with dakota Fred that what gone happen to you Soe AT end you have nothing .

Tomanny Friend s on this game to cancel yet but if have to go to prosieben We Will Cancel .

Kerane · 02-24-2012, 08:14 AM

After doing some research into prosieben, i know for sure i don't want anything to do with the company.

They are not going to get my money, nor my info.

And for trying to sell us to prosieben, SOE can kiss my booty.

Last night my husband and I bought a copy each of SWTOR, a game that is still fresh and not SOE.

We will stay with our guild for as long as our sub lasts, and if prosieben gives a f2p posibility we might pop in from time to time after that, but no more money will flow in that direction.

It was fun while it lasted, for 7 years we didn't even look at other MMO's, but i guess everything eventually ends.

SOE, thanks for the fun, too bad you had to end it this way.

dizzythecat · 02-24-2012, 08:16 AM

ranga wrote:

Brasse, I think you are all missing the point.
Giving ground on segregation is only fixing a small part of the problem, you need, really NEED to understand that this is not about SOE wanting to sell Euros to P7S1, it's not about P7S1 wanting to buy your portfolio, it really is about US not wanting anything to do with P7S1, we don't want segregation, we don't want their rubbish EMO P2W SC items, we don't want their hands on the loot tables so they take all the good stuff out and sell it to us, we don't want them having our personal and financial info, WE DON'T WANT THEM PERIOD.
To reiterate, there is NOTHING in this deal for US. Every day you don't back out from this is another nail in the coffin. Make no mistake, this is not just about segregation.

Everything i feel is written above. I am holding off right now to see what happens, but if this does go through, it's the end of eq2 for me after 8 years, and never again will i buy anything to do with SoE and Sony.

Juravael · 02-24-2012, 08:20 AM

Wirewhisker@Antonia Bayle wrote:

feldon30 wrote:
Again bravo to Alaplaya/P7S1 who seem to be doing everything they can to salvage this deal while SOE says little.
--------------------------
I just wanted to say something about a difference I have seen in the EQ2 Community now, vs two years ago.
It seems at this point, any serious discussion about EQ2 issues only happen once a year — in the hallways and bars of a Las Vegas hotel. I'm talking about Fan Faire. The rest of the year, we get a few platitudes and reassurances and LARPing. I do not feel that 15 minute webcasts replace community interaction which has been sorely lacking on the EQ2 side.
The lack of community involvement in EQ2 has turned the EQ2 community against SOE so strongly that developers I’ve talked to fear to post because everything will be twisted and misinterpreted. Developers are afraid to post because Community won’t have their back.
Right now, every time a controversy comes up, the EQ2 Community Team seem genuinely shocked at player response. It takes hours/days for any kind of response, usually “We’re talking to the top people and will get back to you if we have something to report.” I feel the role of a EQ2 Community Manager is to be PROACTIVE and aware of issues that are coming which will affect players, and then have a response ready to COINCIDE with the announcement.
It’s long since time to go back to some version of the semi-monthly Developer chats, or a semi-monthly list of Developer questions (they can be edited for snark). Right now, MONTHS go by with hardly any news, so we think nothing is happening. There is a thought process settling in at SOE that NOT responding to players is safer than responding. This is not healthy.
I have to say that it scares me that, while all this was going on behind the scenes and deals were being made, that nobody, not one single person at Sony, appears to have stepped up and said "Hey -- wait a minute...has anyone thought about what the players will think about this? Do we even KNOW these people we're dealing with?"
I mean seriously, Sony people aren't nitwits by design, they're smart people...surely they can use Google and fish up the same links to info that we the userbase have provided on this thread, about Alaplaya's deplorable reputation in the gaming community among other issues. It doesn't take a lot of work to make a fake account, and surreptitiously strike up in a convo in 1-9 or 80-89 about this sort of thing, and just get an unscientific feel of what the community would think.
How is it that nobody did the research? Hello? Sony? John? Anyone?
100%, John. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of your user base is against this move. You can't tell me you guys didn't think about this.
You can't get 100% of any group to agree that it's sunny outside, even if they were all standing together looking up! Doesn't that say something to you about the wisdom of this decision?

Very well said Feldon.

This would have been a great time for one of the newly introduced 'In-Game Player Polls' to ask the playerbase what they felt.

Juravael · 02-24-2012, 08:24 AM

ranga wrote:

yadlajoi wrote:
seems it s working PSS1 doing the damage control is already making people think they are as bad as they really are. SOE is just not answering to look more and more evil while PSS1 doing the smoothpillowtalk is making people praise them for at least communicating /glare at feldon who was banned then got his ban misteriously remove and is now "praising PSS1's communication. "
I am glad bans were being rescinded but I really did wonder about exactly the same thing!

Interesting. My ban was not lifted early.

CEC · 02-24-2012, 08:26 AM

Just a comment on this turmoil.

Both Stringer and Hirai is working hard to make money out of software instead of hardware

the way traditional SONY used to do. AND this comes up. I wonder what they want to achieve by this.

They are making enemies out of all of European players instead of make money.

02-24-2012, 06:27 AM	#1891
ranga Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 393	Brasse, I think you are all missing the point. Giving ground on segregation is only fixing a small part of the problem, you need, really NEED to understand that this is not about SOE wanting to sell Euros to P7S1, it's not about P7S1 wanting to buy your portfolio, it really is about US not wanting anything to do with P7S1, we don't want segregation, we don't want their rubbish EMO P2W SC items, we don't want their hands on the loot tables so they take all the good stuff out and sell it to us, we don't want them having our personal and financial info, WE DON'T WANT THEM PERIOD. To reiterate, there is NOTHING in this deal for US. Every day you don't back out from this is another nail in the coffin. Make no mistake, *this is not just about segregation*. __________________ The official comment from ProSiebenSat.1 on segregation - We do not think about a transfer of US server chars from EU costumers in Eq2. That should solve the biggest worries the EQ2 community has at the moment. We do not want to interfere with long build ingame relationships. This is the current way we think about it.

02-24-2012, 06:36 AM	#1892
shaard Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 18	dawy wrote: Calthine wrote: Impact@Splitpaw wrote: Can we sue? I would suspect that SOE's lawyers covered that in our EULA, but you could try. You're right but at this rate will there be anyone left on the euro servers to start action in the first place? At this rate i suspect not. It doesnt matter if anyone is left on the servers, if one party has caused another damage, they can sue. I'm surprised no-one has raised the spectre of class action lawsuit on this (I dont have the time and my financial investment in EQ2 is minimal). If you are a long term subscriber though, having bought all expansions at release, you have probably spent in the region of $1500-$2000 on this game and I personally would view the ip block a breach of contract and possibly claimable as damages. A potential $5 to $25 MILLION class action claim will probably make some lawyer situp and take notice and there may even be grounds to get a court order to prevent any IP blocking being put into place, maybe even to get a judicial review of the entire deal. Sony are on very dodgy ground here both from the legal and PR standpoint. As said, I just dont have enough invested in SOE products anymore to make it worth my while but class action firms such as Rothken will no doubt be really interested in this. What I am interested in though is my legal rights to data privacy and protection and I am contacting the EFF to enquire if there is a legal case since SOE are acting in violation of the spirit of the contract and essentially forcing a transfer of data via coercion.

02-24-2012, 06:36 AM	#1893
Eroks Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 14	From Piestro (new Everqust II Community Relations Manager) posted on EQ2 website as well as in EQ2Wire: "Working with the EQII Team is a fantastic opportunity and I'm very much looking forward to getting to know all of you; I strongly believe that the true heart of any MMORPG is the community of players who inhabit it. The EverQuest II player community is passionate and creative, and cares about their game; what better group of people to work with could there be?" Ok... We all know that EQ2 seems to give a lot of importance to us players (AH AH AH) so why this is happening without any kinda of information on WHY and without letting players HAVE A VOICE on the matter? TBH I don't believe a single word from anyone in SOE anymore. They done us wrong in the past, they do us wrong in the present and they will do us wrong in the future. Money talks and they couldn't care less about players if they are still getting profits. __________________ Berserker 90 - Carpenter 90 \| Defiler 90 - Sage 90 \| Warlock 90 - Alchemist 30 Shadowknight 90 - Armourer 34 \| Troubador 90 - Master Provisioner 90 \| Necromancer 90 Bruiser 90 \| Fury 90 \| Coercer 90 \| Beastlord 86 \| Ranger 86 \| Swashbuckler 86

02-24-2012, 07:09 AM	#1894
Kinya Server: Splitpaw Guild: Runnyeye Raiding Club Rank: Boss Fansite Staff Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 86	At least people at PSS1 care enough to give answers. Protagonist wrote: Before weekend we will have not a have an answer. Sorry. Technicans needs to figure out things.If the idea works out we will have no barriers for everyone but we need to see and wait what is possible.Before abandon and run away I would wait as the idea we have in mind really solves a lot. And btw Protagonist is on of the 3 managing directors in PSS1, so I think we can trust his words. I have to say, that I feel like SOE betrayed my trust, but I have a good feelings now about PSS1. From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess. Good news is, they have better payment system than SOE. We pointed to error PT-530 - well known problem with payments that EU players have. They said, they have several (not one, like SOE) payment companies they use, so there shouldn't be problem with that. Also we throwed an idea of having something similar to Fan Faire but in Europe It's not that easy to solve that problem - business and technical wise. And its very, very bad for customers. The good thing is PSS1 is talking about it with us. The deal is done, but details of some things can still be discussed. If you have any questions, just ask them here http://en.alaplaya.net/forum/genera...aq-t492961.html. You can also join IRC channel (server: irc.euirc.net channel: #alaplaya.en ) and ask directly PSS1 staff. At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE. __________________ http://babagra.pl - Polish Everquest 2 Fansite

02-24-2012, 07:17 AM	#1895
Andemon Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 155	Klixe@Splitpaw wrote: I still think the deal was done by someone, who didn't know what they we're selling, and SOE is actually right now figthing to save their games, and ultimately their jobs... That's too optimistic.Bear in mind that EQ2 has already lost many (most?) devs and programmers to EQNext. SOE has already given up on EQ2...many of the bugs seem unfixable under the current engine, so they're going to close down the game and this is just an another attempt to make as much profit as possible from what's left. EQ2 will go the way of EQ Online Adventures: no support and no updates. Instead, they're concentrating on EQNext...and couldn't care less about lost EQ2 customers. Because EQNext is aimed at a different playerbase.

02-24-2012, 07:20 AM	#1896
Chaotico Server: Splitpaw Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	EQ2Refugee wrote: I admire your optimism, but I honestly believe you've got anywhere from 48 - 72 hours left to save this game along with the others included in the SOE deal, maybe a week at most. The mainstream gaming press are already starting to run with this story and within the next few hours people across the world will go from having never heard of 'ProSeibenSat1' or 'Alaplaya' to knowing all to well there involvement in selling a gaming community down the swanny, you are about to be involved in a PR nightmare the likes of which I'm not sure you are equiped to handle. EQ2Refugee wrote that somewhere in the Alaplaya temporary forums (pg.11). i think that nailed it on Alaplayas side as they probably believed it when SOE told them "nah its gonna be fine! you will see!" until a gamer, user, normal dude put it into the right words... "PR nightmare for you..." Obviously Alaplaya realized that to make any money from this deal at all, they better find some way... *hats off to the EQ2 community if most of the dramatic points in this agreement are overturned!!!

02-24-2012, 07:21 AM	#1897
Wirewhisker Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Collateral Damage Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 582	Karrane1 wrote: Last summer I was 'shiny' harvesting in the Nursery in GF. The shinies are Lore so I looked around for a noobie to give the extras to. I sent this guy a /tell and it took almost 10 minutes to get an answer. Come to find out, he is Chinese and spoke almost no English. He was trying to teach it to himself so started playing on a US server. We became fast friends.. even though he is in his early 20's and I am... well, I am a grandmother. =) For months I helped him understand our sometimes silly language. And he taught me some Chinese that I have been able to teach my granddaughter. Its the opportunity to meet ppl like him that I will miss alot. It is /was such a huge part of what makes EQII special for me. Please Please Please SOE.. dont let this go any further. 8( Now that's a pretty awesome story. Thanks for putting that out there.

02-24-2012, 07:21 AM	#1898
feldon30 Fansite Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5,424	Again bravo to Alaplaya/P7S1 who seem to be doing everything they can to salvage this deal while SOE says little. -------------------------- I just wanted to say something about a difference I have seen in the EQ2 Community now, vs two years ago. It seems at this point, any serious discussion about EQ2 issues only happen once a year — in the hallways and bars of a Las Vegas hotel. I'm talking about Fan Faire. The rest of the year, we get a few platitudes and reassurances and LARPing. I do not feel that 15 minute webcasts replace community interaction which has been sorely lacking on the EQ2 side. The lack of community involvement in EQ2 has turned the EQ2 community against SOE so strongly that developers I’ve talked to fear to post because everything will be twisted and misinterpreted. Developers are afraid to post because Community won’t have their back. Right now, every time a controversy comes up, the EQ2 Community Team seem genuinely shocked at player response. It takes hours/days for any kind of response, usually “We’re talking to the top people and will get back to you if we have something to report.” I feel the role of a EQ2 Community Manager is to be PROACTIVE and aware of issues that are coming which will affect players, and then have a response ready to COINCIDE with the announcement. It’s long since time to go back to some version of the semi-monthly Developer chats, or a semi-monthly list of Developer questions (they can be edited for snark). Right now, MONTHS go by with hardly any news, so we think nothing is happening. There is a thought process settling in at SOE that NOT responding to players is safer than responding. This is not healthy. __________________ .. EQ2Wire.com \| EQ2U - Character, Item, Spell, and Guild Data

02-24-2012, 07:22 AM	#1899
ranga Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 393	Kinya@Splitpaw wrote: At least people at PSS1 care enough to give answers. Protagonist wrote: Before weekend we will have not a have an answer. Sorry. Technicans needs to figure out things.If the idea works out we will have no barriers for everyone but we need to see and wait what is possible.Before abandon and run away I would wait as the idea we have in mind really solves a lot. I have to say, that I feel like SOE betrayed my trust, but I have a good feelings now about PSS1. From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess. Good news is, they have better payment system than SOE. We pointed to error PT-530 - well known problem with payments that EU players have. They said, they have several (not one, like SOE) payment companies they use, so there shouldn't be problem with that. Also we throwed an idea of having something similar to Fan Faire but in Europe It's not that easy to solve that problem - business and technical wise. And its very, very bad for customers. The good thing is PSS1 is talking about it with us. The deal is done, but details of some things can still be discussed. If you have any questions, just ask them here http://en.alaplaya.net/forum/genera...aq-t492961.html. You can also join IRC channel (server: irc.euirc.net channel: #alaplaya.en ) and ask directly PSS1 staff. At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE. Don't be fooled. They are telling you what you want to hear. See my sig for what they promised on day 1 of this announcement, then reconcile it with SOE FAQ about the deal published this week, a full 6 weeks after Protagonist posted what is in my sig. They told us a lie. You are allowing them to divide and conquer. Don't fall for it!! __________________ The official comment from ProSiebenSat.1 on segregation - We do not think about a transfer of US server chars from EU costumers in Eq2. That should solve the biggest worries the EQ2 community has at the moment. We do not want to interfere with long build ingame relationships. This is the current way we think about it.

02-24-2012, 07:23 AM	#1900
Keelinn Server: Splitpaw Guild: Rift Rank: Chancellor Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 40	Kinya@Splitpaw wrote: From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess. At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE. Call me cynical........ Surely they are prepared to say anything and behave in a manner that draws us in only to let us down further down the road, just a thought. At the end of the day they are trying to protect their investement and imo are willing to do anything to placate the masses.

02-24-2012, 07:29 AM	#1901
Memlan Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 93	Trevynoae wrote: Maybe I am plain stupid or have no idea or whatever. Why can other companies do it - but SOE and P7 seem to have a problem? You could login with whatever account you have! The company you have the account with you pay. Done. P7S1 promotes their accounts - SOE theirs. Done. SOE sells SC to a P7S1 accountee? Well - P7S1 gets most of the money. Done. yes what i was thinking! I really hope there be a revelation in soe - ProSiebenSat.1 situation soon. i really want to keep playing this game but this all make me worry. our raid force has steady worked with progression, it is fun to see how stable we have become, it is a shame that it is atleast partially breaking apart with ppl already have cancelled there account. i haven't cancelled mine yet i guess i'm hoping for a big acceptable resolution on this matter. but it feels dark, with so many black clouds and blank spots i don't know where i will be in a week. i love this game but the ppl i play with give me the reason to play, with friends cancelling and the situation seams eather uncerten or unacceptable it make me really question if i should play this game. i really hope that region locking won't be in affect, that splitpaw would continue to work as it is now without delay and with no less security. i really want to keep my account where i can login to us server without having to use a separate account. i can see the new company part in this being they receive money from ppl playing the majority of there time on European server, new company could host European festivities and perhaps fan get together. that is if the fans are still here depending on this being resolved quickly. ppl shouldn't have to worry about delay in updates, pay to win, security etc.

02-24-2012, 07:34 AM	#1902
Wirewhisker Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Collateral Damage Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 582	feldon30 wrote: Again bravo to Alaplaya/P7S1 who seem to be doing everything they can to salvage this deal while SOE says little. -------------------------- I just wanted to say something about a difference I have seen in the EQ2 Community now, vs two years ago. It seems at this point, any serious discussion about EQ2 issues only happen once a year — in the hallways and bars of a Las Vegas hotel. I'm talking about Fan Faire. The rest of the year, we get a few platitudes and reassurances and LARPing. I do not feel that 15 minute webcasts replace community interaction which has been sorely lacking on the EQ2 side. The lack of community involvement in EQ2 has turned the EQ2 community against SOE so strongly that developers I’ve talked to fear to post because everything will be twisted and misinterpreted. Developers are afraid to post because Community won’t have their back. Right now, every time a controversy comes up, the EQ2 Community Team seem genuinely shocked at player response. It takes hours/days for any kind of response, usually “We’re talking to the top people and will get back to you if we have something to report.” I feel the role of a EQ2 Community Manager is to be PROACTIVE and aware of issues that are coming which will affect players, and then have a response ready to COINCIDE with the announcement. It’s long since time to go back to some version of the semi-monthly Developer chats, or a semi-monthly list of Developer questions (they can be edited for snark). Right now, MONTHS go by with hardly any news, so we think nothing is happening. There is a thought process settling in at SOE that NOT responding to players is safer than responding. This is not healthy. I have to say that it scares me that, while all this was going on behind the scenes and deals were being made, that nobody, not one single person at Sony, appears to have stepped up and said "Hey -- wait a minute...has anyone thought about what the players will think about this? Do we even KNOW these people we're dealing with?" I mean seriously, Sony people aren't nitwits by design, they're smart people...surely they can use Google and fish up the same links to info that we the userbase have provided on this thread, about Alaplaya's deplorable reputation in the gaming community among other issues. It doesn't take a lot of work to make a fake account, and surreptitiously strike up in a convo in 1-9 or 80-89 about this sort of thing, and just get an unscientific feel of what the community would think. How is it that nobody did the research? Hello? Sony? John? Anyone? 100%, John. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of your user base is against this move. You can't tell me you guys didn't think about this. You can't get 100% of any group to agree that it's sunny outside, even if they were all standing together looking up! Doesn't that say something to you about the wisdom of this decision?

02-24-2012, 07:41 AM	#1903
Iuwene Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 16	ranga wrote: Kinya@Splitpaw wrote: At least people at PSS1 care enough to give answers. Protagonist wrote: Before weekend we will have not a have an answer. Sorry. Technicans needs to figure out things.If the idea works out we will have no barriers for everyone but we need to see and wait what is possible.Before abandon and run away I would wait as the idea we have in mind really solves a lot. I have to say, that I feel like SOE betrayed my trust, but I have a good feelings now about PSS1. From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess. Good news is, they have better payment system than SOE. We pointed to error PT-530 - well known problem with payments that EU players have. They said, they have several (not one, like SOE) payment companies they use, so there shouldn't be problem with that. Also we throwed an idea of having something similar to Fan Faire but in Europe It's not that easy to solve that problem - business and technical wise. And its very, very bad for customers. The good thing is PSS1 is talking about it with us. The deal is done, but details of some things can still be discussed. If you have any questions, just ask them here http://en.alaplaya.net/forum/genera...aq-t492961.html. You can also join IRC channel (server: irc.euirc.net channel: #alaplaya.en ) and ask directly PSS1 staff. At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE. Don't be fooled. They are telling you what you want to hear. See my sig for what they promised on day 1 of this announcement, then reconcile it with SOE FAQ about the deal published this week, a full 6 weeks after Protagonist posted what is in my sig. They told us a lie. You are allowing them to divide and conquer. Don't fall for it!! This might be just bad English phrasing (assuming the guy is German), but it implies that for some there will still be barriers - unless he wanted to say anyone.

02-24-2012, 07:49 AM	#1904
yadlajoi Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 155	Wirewhisker@Antonia Bayle wrote: feldon30 wrote: Again bravo to Alaplaya/P7S1 who seem to be doing everything they can to salvage this deal while SOE says little. -------------------------- I just wanted to say something about a difference I have seen in the EQ2 Community now, vs two years ago. It seems at this point, any serious discussion about EQ2 issues only happen once a year — in the hallways and bars of a Las Vegas hotel. I'm talking about Fan Faire. The rest of the year, we get a few platitudes and reassurances and LARPing. I do not feel that 15 minute webcasts replace community interaction which has been sorely lacking on the EQ2 side. The lack of community involvement in EQ2 has turned the EQ2 community against SOE so strongly that developers I’ve talked to fear to post because everything will be twisted and misinterpreted. Developers are afraid to post because Community won’t have their back. Right now, every time a controversy comes up, the EQ2 Community Team seem genuinely shocked at player response. It takes hours/days for any kind of response, usually “We’re talking to the top people and will get back to you if we have something to report.” I feel the role of a EQ2 Community Manager is to be PROACTIVE and aware of issues that are coming which will affect players, and then have a response ready to COINCIDE with the announcement. It’s long since time to go back to some version of the semi-monthly Developer chats, or a semi-monthly list of Developer questions (they can be edited for snark). Right now, MONTHS go by with hardly any news, so we think nothing is happening. There is a thought process settling in at SOE that NOT responding to players is safer than responding. This is not healthy. I have to say that it scares me that, while all this was going on behind the scenes and deals were being made, that nobody, not one single person at Sony, appears to have stepped up and said "Hey -- wait a minute...has anyone thought about what the players will think about this? Do we even KNOW these people we're dealing with?" I mean seriously, Sony people aren't nitwits by design, they're smart people...surely they can use Google and fish up the same links to info that we the userbase have provided on this thread, about Alaplaya's deplorable reputation in the gaming community among other issues. It doesn't take a lot of work to make a fake account, and surreptitiously strike up in a convo in 1-9 or 80-89 about this sort of thing, and just get an unscientific feel of what the community would think. How is it that nobody did the research? Hello? Sony? John? Anyone? 100%, John. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of your user base is against this move. You can't tell me you guys didn't think about this. You can't get 100% of any group to agree that it's sunny outside, even if they were all standing together looking up! Doesn't that say something to you about the wisdom of this decision? Money has no odor. They could sell you to organ dealer they wouldnt care they received the cash already and are whipping their hands cause it s not their problem anymore.

02-24-2012, 07:51 AM	#1905
Kasar Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 540	Keelinn@Splitpaw wrote: Kinya@Splitpaw wrote: From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess. At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE. Call me cynical........ Surely they are prepared to say anything and behave in a manner that draws us in only to let us down further down the road, just a thought. At the end of the day they are trying to protect their investement and imo are willing to do anything to placate the masses. That's far more than SOE is willing to do or has been willing to for some time. People talk about not trusting these guys, what has SOE done to even seem trustworthy, sell you keyfobs? They just pop out of the ivory tower to show off the latest marketplace items and run back in, with only 2-3 exceptions. The head of community relations hides behind locked threads rather than deal with the community. At least these people won't have your bank account information sitting in an unencrypted flat file, basically a text file, for YEARS, as they don't even do their own billing if I understood correctly. If they engage the players at all, that would be an improvement over SOE, marketplace 90/320 potions notwithstanding.

02-24-2012, 07:52 AM	#1906
arthemis1er Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 118	Freejazzlive wrote: Would it offend anyone to compromise -- leave Splitpaw as the official "international" server, & commence with the region locks, as described, elsewhere? Or, would that still cause too much angst? I can totally understand if this isn't seen as a suitable compromise, I'm just putting up the idea. Two obvious candidate are Splitpaw and Freeport but this is too easy of a way out.No server at all should be region locked(which seems to be something that is discussed internaly now)

02-24-2012, 07:55 AM	#1907
yadlajoi Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 155	seems it s working PSS1 doing the damage control is already making people think they are as bad as they really are. SOE is just not answering to look more and more evil while PSS1 doing the smoothpillowtalk is making people praise them for at least communicating /glare at feldon who was banned then got his ban misteriously remove and is now "praising PSS1's communication. "

02-24-2012, 08:00 AM	#1908
Wirewhisker Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Collateral Damage Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 582	yadlajoi wrote: Money has no odor. They could sell you to organ dealer they wouldnt care they received the cash already and are whipping their hands cause it s not their problem anymore. This is where I have to disagree, though. Does anyone want to go through the rest of their professional lives as "the guy that wrecked Game-X for no reason other than a quick buck, in the face of united opposition"?? Some of these people might want other jobs someday, and while I'm sure they might have a future as a corporate raider, things like "destroying a community out of general cussedness" don't wear well on a resumé or job history.

02-24-2012, 08:02 AM	#1909
yadlajoi Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 155	Wirewhisker@Antonia Bayle wrote: yadlajoi wrote: Money has no odor. They could sell you to organ dealer they wouldnt care they received the cash already and are whipping their hands cause it s not their problem anymore. This is where I have to disagree, though. Does anyone want to go through the rest of their professional lives as "the guy that wrecked Game-X for no reason other than a quick buck, in the face of united opposition"?? Some of these people might want other jobs someday, and while I'm sure they might have a future as a corporate raider, things like "destroying a community out of general cussedness" don't wear well on a resumé or job history. Of course they ll get some job again even if the company has hit the ground. They are the ones that managed to get a huge amount of cash in a quick decision. Every CEO will want these kind of people cause they have no ethic and general money wich is what shareholder want.

02-24-2012, 08:03 AM	#1910
Keelinn Server: Splitpaw Guild: Rift Rank: Chancellor Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 40	Kasar wrote: Keelinn@Splitpaw wrote: Kinya@Splitpaw wrote: From what we spoke with them yesterday on chat, they seemed reasonable and really hoped to solve this all mess. At least you will get some answers, not like with SOE. Call me cynical........ Surely they are prepared to say anything and behave in a manner that draws us in only to let us down further down the road, just a thought. At the end of the day they are trying to protect their investement and imo are willing to do anything to placate the masses. That's far more than SOE is willing to do or has been willing to for some time. People talk about not trusting these guys, what has SOE done to even seem trustworthy, sell you keyfobs? They just pop out of the ivory tower to show off the latest marketplace items and run back in, with only 2-3 exceptions. The head of community relations hides behind locked threads rather than deal with the community. At least these people won't have your bank account information sitting in an unencrypted flat file, basically a text file, for YEARS, as they don't even do their own billing if I understood correctly. If they engage the players at all, that would be an improvement over SOE, marketplace 90/320 potions notwithstanding. As I said, call me cynical. But I speak for myself when I say I would rather hear nothing from anyone until the details are concrete, rather than hear some if's and maybe's and meaningless words in an attempt to butter me up. How can telling people what they want to hear be an improvement if it's not true?

02-24-2012, 08:07 AM	#1911
Neave Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 34	Trevynoae wrote: Maybe I am plain stupid or have no idea or whatever. Why can other companies do it - but SOE and P7 seem to have a problem? You could login with whatever account you have! The company you have the account with you pay. Done. P7S1 promotes their accounts - SOE theirs. Done. SOE sells SC to a P7S1 accountee? Well - P7S1 gets most of the money. Done. Uploaded with ImageShack.us ^ This would be a good start. I sense some announcement over region locking alone though. I will only be renewing if I can still pay via Sony. That is a MAJOR issue for me. They could have done this ENTIRE thing invisibly to the end-user, in fact.

02-24-2012, 08:09 AM	#1912
ranga Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 393	yadlajoi wrote: seems it s working PSS1 doing the damage control is already making people think they are as bad as they really are. SOE is just not answering to look more and more evil while PSS1 doing the smoothpillowtalk is making people praise them for at least communicating /glare at feldon who was banned then got his ban misteriously remove and is now "praising PSS1's communication. " I am glad bans were being rescinded but I really did wonder about exactly the same thing! __________________ The official comment from ProSiebenSat.1 on segregation - We do not think about a transfer of US server chars from EU costumers in Eq2. That should solve the biggest worries the EQ2 community has at the moment. We do not want to interfere with long build ingame relationships. This is the current way we think about it.

02-24-2012, 08:10 AM	#1913
Valraukar Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 34	ranga wrote: To reiterate, there is NOTHING in this deal for US. Every day you don't back out from this is another nail in the coffin. Make no mistake, *this is not just about segregation* True, nothing to deal, something to cancel.

02-24-2012, 08:10 AM	#1914
Paqo Guardian Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 14	How things are for me right now: 1. i feel that i'm expendable and unwanted in EQ by SOE, you know the feeling when you try to hit a merchant ingame and they don't give you a choice, they just say in 3rd person "this merchant doesn't want your business" 2. no matter what the outcome is, this feeling won't go away, if people didn't react enough to make them delay and "read and discuss" this issue, they'd have given us the boot with a twist. 3. to me that whole "awww we listen to you and we are the only ones who reply to you" from the german company, could very well be a trick for us to just think it's better there cause "hey! they care there!" so we can stop "reacting" and just go already. 4. i'm very well aware that this is not a democracy, it's a private company making a living for the employees and a fat wallet for the heads, cause this is how all private companies are, it's just weird to have my money taken and then tossed away like it was nothing I don't know what else to say.. I'm just keeping on playing till i feel i got my money's worth for the last expansion (no more SC purchases or whatever they release) and then i'll cancel my sub and move on with the rest that already did, unless i get kicked out from AB before that. __________________ another day \| another froak

02-24-2012, 08:11 AM	#1915
sittingbull11 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	wow was regio locked but atleast you could buy Us version and play with us Friends our buy Euro version and play with Euro friends . Soe doesent even let chooise the say you play Euro you play US.the just putting Time back with 200 years when church TOld us if you do that do this you will go to hell . People Fought For Freedom Soe in WO 2 FREEDOM i guess you dont understand the word . it simple means that people should decide what te do with there live , where to play , where to go ohh and i got name for next expansion . THE EMTY VOID becourse you game wil be emty . playing EQ from 1999 that 13 year you Treat us like we dont even are people . You should go see Gold rush and see what happen with dakota Fred that what gone happen to you Soe AT end you have nothing . Tomanny Friend s on this game to cancel yet but if have to go to prosieben We Will Cancel .

02-24-2012, 08:14 AM	#1916
Kerane Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 126	After doing some research into prosieben, i know for sure i don't want anything to do with the company. They are not going to get my money, nor my info. And for trying to sell us to prosieben, SOE can kiss my booty. Last night my husband and I bought a copy each of SWTOR, a game that is still fresh and not SOE. We will stay with our guild for as long as our sub lasts, and if prosieben gives a f2p posibility we might pop in from time to time after that, but no more money will flow in that direction. It was fun while it lasted, for 7 years we didn't even look at other MMO's, but i guess everything eventually ends. SOE, thanks for the fun, too bad you had to end it this way. __________________

02-24-2012, 08:16 AM	#1917
dizzythecat Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 23	ranga wrote: Brasse, I think you are all missing the point. Giving ground on segregation is only fixing a small part of the problem, you need, really NEED to understand that this is not about SOE wanting to sell Euros to P7S1, it's not about P7S1 wanting to buy your portfolio, it really is about US not wanting anything to do with P7S1, we don't want segregation, we don't want their rubbish EMO P2W SC items, we don't want their hands on the loot tables so they take all the good stuff out and sell it to us, we don't want them having our personal and financial info, WE DON'T WANT THEM PERIOD. To reiterate, there is NOTHING in this deal for US. Every day you don't back out from this is another nail in the coffin. Make no mistake, *this is not just about segregation*. Everything i feel is written above. I am holding off right now to see what happens, but if this does go through, it's the end of eq2 for me after 8 years, and never again will i buy anything to do with SoE and Sony.

02-24-2012, 08:20 AM	#1918
Juravael Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 997	Wirewhisker@Antonia Bayle wrote: feldon30 wrote: Again bravo to Alaplaya/P7S1 who seem to be doing everything they can to salvage this deal while SOE says little. -------------------------- I just wanted to say something about a difference I have seen in the EQ2 Community now, vs two years ago. It seems at this point, any serious discussion about EQ2 issues only happen once a year — in the hallways and bars of a Las Vegas hotel. I'm talking about Fan Faire. The rest of the year, we get a few platitudes and reassurances and LARPing. I do not feel that 15 minute webcasts replace community interaction which has been sorely lacking on the EQ2 side. The lack of community involvement in EQ2 has turned the EQ2 community against SOE so strongly that developers I’ve talked to fear to post because everything will be twisted and misinterpreted. Developers are afraid to post because Community won’t have their back. Right now, every time a controversy comes up, the EQ2 Community Team seem genuinely shocked at player response. It takes hours/days for any kind of response, usually “We’re talking to the top people and will get back to you if we have something to report.” I feel the role of a EQ2 Community Manager is to be PROACTIVE and aware of issues that are coming which will affect players, and then have a response ready to COINCIDE with the announcement. It’s long since time to go back to some version of the semi-monthly Developer chats, or a semi-monthly list of Developer questions (they can be edited for snark). Right now, MONTHS go by with hardly any news, so we think nothing is happening. There is a thought process settling in at SOE that NOT responding to players is safer than responding. This is not healthy. I have to say that it scares me that, while all this was going on behind the scenes and deals were being made, that nobody, not one single person at Sony, appears to have stepped up and said "Hey -- wait a minute...has anyone thought about what the players will think about this? Do we even KNOW these people we're dealing with?" I mean seriously, Sony people aren't nitwits by design, they're smart people...surely they can use Google and fish up the same links to info that we the userbase have provided on this thread, about Alaplaya's deplorable reputation in the gaming community among other issues. It doesn't take a lot of work to make a fake account, and surreptitiously strike up in a convo in 1-9 or 80-89 about this sort of thing, and just get an unscientific feel of what the community would think. How is it that nobody did the research? Hello? Sony? John? Anyone? 100%, John. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of your user base is against this move. You can't tell me you guys didn't think about this. You can't get 100% of any group to agree that it's sunny outside, even if they were all standing together looking up! Doesn't that say something to you about the wisdom of this decision? Very well said Feldon. This would have been a great time for one of the newly introduced 'In-Game Player Polls' to ask the playerbase what they felt.

02-24-2012, 08:24 AM	#1919
Juravael Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 997	ranga wrote: yadlajoi wrote: seems it s working PSS1 doing the damage control is already making people think they are as bad as they really are. SOE is just not answering to look more and more evil while PSS1 doing the smoothpillowtalk is making people praise them for at least communicating /glare at feldon who was banned then got his ban misteriously remove and is now "praising PSS1's communication. " I am glad bans were being rescinded but I really did wonder about exactly the same thing! Interesting. My ban was not lifted early.

02-24-2012, 08:26 AM	#1920
CEC Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 19	Just a comment on this turmoil. Both Stringer and Hirai is working hard to make money out of software instead of hardware the way traditional SONY used to do. AND this comes up. I wonder what they want to achieve by this. They are making enemies out of all of European players instead of make money.