Veteran Rewards for All! Official Feedback Thread - Page 6

Riftsburn · 12-14-2011, 11:05 PM

ISeeker wrote:

Amistae@Lucan DLere wrote:
I can't speak for every silver account, but I don't have mine yet, and neither does hubby. I saw a post in the Support forums that indicated that a fix for that's being worked on.
Perfect... patience is key then.... i can just wait until its done... the race / class refunds were a few days late.. but they showed up eventually..

You got your race/class refund? Huh. Wonder if I should put in a ticket.

Valdaglerion · 12-15-2011, 12:05 AM

Lempo@Everfrost wrote:

Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:
MystsofLedge12 wrote:
On behalf of all customers who were mislead by this statement i have filed a complaint with the BBB on this, i gave SOE every opportunity to remedy this through the petition system.
Congrats. These are the types of the things the legal department at every major company likes to bring up at departmental meetings as proof and reason as to why employees of the company should make no public comment which can be construed as intent on part of hte company without prior approval on exact verbiage from the legal department.
Ask them for open communication and then crucify them for a statement which required some clarification and for which clarification was given.
/thumbs up! you rock. . .
This is going to take all of 2 minutes for SOE to clear up with the BBB.
The people at the BBB though all got a good laugh at the OP's expense, this clown has absolutely no understanding of what is, can and will be construed as legally binding, and the TOS that they have agreed to time and time again clearly state that SOE can change said policies at any time for any reason.
I would actually benefit from this, due to 3 months here, 2 months there, a month or so in another place or two I am about 6 months shy of my 6 year vet reward SOE is in no way responsible for me not having it. That said I'd pay a year sub in advance right now if the time was immediately credited to me.
I do plenty of bashing of SOE though I try to do it with issues that actually have merit and this foolishness has none.

/Agree.

I do think the vet time gets credited once the payment is applied to your account. At least I recall that being the case when i used that system prior to my break. Might want to confirm with SOE accounting unless a red name wants to chime in here. But you can only pay at most 1 year in advance.

Mike585 · 12-15-2011, 02:23 AM

Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Mike585 wrote:
Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote:
now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months
it was a perk for paying to play
Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play?
I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what.
It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything.
I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times.
Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway?
Your argument is based on semantics and a sense of self-entitlement, and little else. You want to get what others have earned, without having done what they did to get it. You didn't do what was required to meet the standard, so you don't get the reward. It's that simple. Couldn't pay, wouldn't pay, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that you didn't remain a paying customer, so you don't get the same perks as those who did. Period.

did you miss the part where i said they should then separate paid-time rewards with creation time rewards? i've been playing since 05! the game USED to give vet rewards based on creation! dont give me this b.s.

Marnus · 12-15-2011, 04:45 AM

Mike585 wrote:

Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote:
now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months
it was a perk for paying to play
Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play?
I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what.
It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything.
I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times.
Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway?

The part in red just kills me lol. That's like saying" I have always been loyal to my wife-sure i have slept with other women, from time to time, but i always come back to her"-I don't think you have got a firm grasp of what loyalty is. Loyalty isnt ditching this game to go play another, only to come back when its free, and to expect to be rewarded for not supporting the game while others have is kind of naive.

Aethn · 12-15-2011, 07:15 AM

You can all stop arguing about this now, its fixed in todays update Thurs 12/15, here is the note

GENERAL

All Membership levels may now claim Veteran rewards.

Fixed a bug where expertise AAs would not load properly from a mirror.

When using an AA mirror to switch profiles you will no longer be spammed with onscreen messages or having icons autopopulate into your hotbars.

Fixed a bug where the character tree would not show in the respec window when attempting to purchase AA respecs.

TheSpin · 12-15-2011, 07:37 AM

Persyphony@Antonia Bayle wrote:

You can all stop arguing about this now, its fixed in todays update Thurs 12/15, here is the note
GENERAL
All Membership levels may now claim Veteran rewards.
Fixed a bug where expertise AAs would not load properly from a mirror.
When using an AA mirror to switch profiles you will no longer be spammed with onscreen messages or having icons autopopulate into your hotbars.
Fixed a bug where the character tree would not show in the respec window when attempting to purchase AA respecs.

Actually this isn't the thing this thread has become about.

It is about whether the date you originally created your account should be used to determine account age, regardless of subscription status over the last 7 years, or if it simply means bronze/silver players can now accrue vet rewards.

This was clarified by Smokejumper to mean the latter of the two, but due to the wording of his initial announcement there are people who believe SOE should change it to the former.

ISeeker · 12-15-2011, 10:24 AM

Persyphony@Antonia Bayle wrote:

You can all stop arguing about this now, its fixed in todays update Thurs 12/15, here is the note
GENERAL
All Membership levels may now claim Veteran rewards.
Fixed a bug where expertise AAs would not load properly from a mirror.
When using an AA mirror to switch profiles you will no longer be spammed with onscreen messages or having icons autopopulate into your hotbars.
Fixed a bug where the character tree would not show in the respec window when attempting to purchase AA respecs.

Just saw that, so the question will be answered today on how it works

I have one two old accounts (silver) created in 2005, showing 1200+ days, (no expansions bought, they were actually mule accounts, that had no characters on them, but I must have created them way back in the day, so check how many registered accounts you may have). 1 gold account showing Nov 2004 as the creation date, every expansion bought except DOV, was showing some 2200+ days, and two other silver accounts from 2006, showing around 1200+ days, but multiple expansions bought...

Honestly, the fact that Sony has been generous has made me generous. The three things that got me to "invest" in AOD, were grandfathering accounts, the SC refund for the races and classes, and the vet awards. When EQ said it was going F2P, I decided I would spend X dollars on it... Due to refunds, I had more SC, and I decided to up my limit because Sony (for once), made me feel welcome. I have subbed two accounts, bought the AOD expansion, and even bought around 5000 SC points, so their free to play just from me alone got them around 80 bucks plus, from someone that wouldn't have given them any money otherwise..

Had they not grandfathered the accounts, I personally would probably have only spent about 30 bucks total, not subbed at all. To make me even happier, I found I had about 30 LON cards on my old accounts; I was able to get 1 extra char slot on both accounts, so now with silver I will have 5 accts on both of those accounts.

Hell, I even unlocked the floglok, so my account info says Entitlement: Floglock, but am I complaining I can't make one without buying the pack... noo... (Well if they would give it to me, I wouldn't say no )

Now some will say, a person like me is bad for the game.. Well, my highest char is only 81, I don't raid, I mostly putter around and harvest, oftentimes in zones that area ghost town and raise tradeskiller alts from scratch so I can be self sufficient.. I don't really interact much with the economy at large. When I have the time I play, which with a family and kids, isn't what it used to be.

I am the type of used I expect they want... a person that showed up, that wouldn't have normally without this f2p, dropped some money; and will probably occasionally log in from time to time to blow through a few hours..

And for those that only listen to "true vets with street cred" check my forum registered date.. I was a 3 sub paying customer, all expansions purchased, for around 5 years solid, and on and off for the rest, oh and EQ1 launch account player as well. My opionion on giving vet rewards is this, if it attracts people to the game, and they spend money, that they otherwise woulld not have, that pays for the development of the game. If there is no revenue stream, the game dies, then any veteran awards that ANYONE may or may not have earned don't exist in a dead game.. Oh and I bought SWG and Vanguard too....

Edit (aparently cut and pasting from word messes up font colors..)

ISeeker · 12-15-2011, 10:33 AM

Amistae@Lucan DLere wrote:

ISeeker wrote:
Amistae@Lucan DLere wrote:
I can't speak for every silver account, but I don't have mine yet, and neither does hubby. I saw a post in the Support forums that indicated that a fix for that's being worked on.
Perfect... patience is key then.... i can just wait until its done... the race / class refunds were a few days late.. but they showed up eventually..
You got your race/class refund? Huh. Wonder if I should put in a ticket.

It may be a first in first out deal.. I made my purchaces, (both buying he SC, and using it to purchace the race / class, immediately after the servers came up on conversion day).. Perhaps there is a priority for those that made credit card purchaces immeadiately to prevent the risk of people doing chargebacks once they saw the announcement.. OR, they could just be scripting it based on when you actually bought the race pack, and running those transactions one after the other. Not even though my two accounts were actually PURCHACED on the same date, about 15 mins separated the actual purchace, that translated into 24 hours delay between accounts for the refund. The account i bought it on first got the refund first, the account i bought it on second, got the refund approximately 24 hours after the first one.. (give or take, I wasn't exactly clocking it) So if it was first in first out, from that alone, there was a LOT of transactions to process..

(I have no factual basis for this, beyond my own opinion)

MystsofLedge12 · 12-15-2011, 03:49 PM

No new vet rewards to claim, just checked, but SOE isnt allowed to contact me with anything, untill the BBB does its consumer protection thing.

Seriously i have no clue why so many white knight SOE on some of these issues, they made a purposely vague statement to mislead people into possibly coming back by offering free items in their product.

At first I gave Smoke Jumper the benefit of the doubt that he by failure of thinking things through just made a statement, but their lack of willingness to work with me tells a different story i have a long petition thread of cut and pasted towing the line.

If this is the mode of operation for SOE its making me wonder if they deserve my sub fees?

apwyork · 12-15-2011, 04:01 PM

Seems pretty obvious this means that all accounts now accumalate vet status, not that inactive accounts receive credit for inactivity. Why people would choose to think they should get vet credit when they had cancelled their membership defies understanding.

ISeeker · 12-15-2011, 04:20 PM

apwyork wrote:

Seems pretty obvious this means that all accounts now accumalate vet status, not that inactive accounts receive credit for inactivity. Why people would choose to think they should get vet credit when they had cancelled their membership defies understanding.

Originally, they went with account creation = Account Age for vet rewards (+90 Days for every expansion you bought), then they went to, you have to have a valid account to continue to acumulate them. So you could sign up at launch, do the 30 days free, come back 3 years later.. you got 3 year vet rewards.. (I realized they changed that a few expansions back)

Based on your post, are you stating that the second you stopped subbing, the clock resets???

On my account (and i havn't checked today), I had up to 5 year vet rewards availiable to my account in Sept 2011, Now that i am silver, do i reset to zero? (because i have no vet rewards on the acct?).. Again i haven't logged in today, so not sure if its fixed.. My account that i made "gold" On december 1st, GOT all of the vet rewards up to 6 year.. are you stating that I would loose those if i go to silver now???

Did anyone, who HAD vet rewards before, then "Lost" them when they went to silver, did they get them back with todays patch?

Mike585 · 12-15-2011, 05:50 PM

Marnus@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Mike585 wrote:
Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote:
now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months
it was a perk for paying to play
Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play?
I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what.
It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything.
I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times.
Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway?
The part in red just kills me lol. That's like saying" I have always been loyal to my wife-sure i have slept with other women, from time to time, but i always come back to her"-I don't think you have got a firm grasp of what loyalty is. Loyalty isnt ditching this game to go play another, only to come back when its free, and to expect to be rewarded for not supporting the game while others have is kind of naive.

That part is completely irrelevant. You cannot compare a game to cheating on your wife. Everyone has tried other games. I never "ditched" this game for any other game, and I most certainly did not come back only when it was free. I have a high amount of vet reward time. Stop trying to divert my point. Things should be the way they used to be, for one sole reason that it IS the way it used to be! So why not make it 100%? Technically now that the terms and conditions have changed, all my off-time now should automatically be bronze/silver time. Also, I believe that if you want to complain about it like a whiney little girl, paid-time rewards should get something else and that they should seperate actual "vet" rewards. That sir is my point. WHO is going to get a 7 year reward now? NOONE! will this game even be around in 7 years? who knows. It is not easy for players to get that especially in the past. Vet rewards is supposed to be a nice feature to be able to log in and have privledge to for being a member of the game for so long, not a reward for filling pockets.

Mystfit · 12-15-2011, 05:53 PM

Mike585 wrote:

That part is completely irrelevant. You cannot compare a game to cheating on your wife. Everyone has tried other games. I never "ditched" this game for any other game, and I most certainly did not come back only when it was free. I have a high amount of vet reward time. Stop trying to divert my point. Things should be the way they used to be, for one sole reason that it IS the way it used to be! So why not make it 100%? Technically now that the terms and conditions have changed, all my off-time now should automatically be bronze/silver time. That sir is my point.

The change from creation date to subbed time happened quite awhile ago. The time to raise that issue is long past. The fact that it started form creation date and continued even when you didn't pay was fixed. Back then, there ws no ftp to cloud the issue, but people long ago came to terms with that change.

Mike585 · 12-15-2011, 05:57 PM

Mystfit wrote:

Mike585 wrote:
That part is completely irrelevant. You cannot compare a game to cheating on your wife. Everyone has tried other games. I never "ditched" this game for any other game, and I most certainly did not come back only when it was free. I have a high amount of vet reward time. Stop trying to divert my point. Things should be the way they used to be, for one sole reason that it IS the way it used to be! So why not make it 100%? Technically now that the terms and conditions have changed, all my off-time now should automatically be bronze/silver time. That sir is my point.
The change from creation date to subbed time happened quite awhile ago. The time to raise that issue is long past. The fact that it started form creation date and continued even when you didn't pay was fixed. Back then, there ws no ftp to cloud the issue, but people long ago came to terms with that change.

I never, ever have. I updated my above post a bit. So many people will never ever see a CoV. EVERYONE complains about this. Even if they have been playing a long, long time. Every time I ask for a CoV, I 85% of the time get the response, "I don't have one because SOE hates me". What does that say? CoV isn't even all that amazing at all, and it sure isn't worth $1,260 either. Before you start saying "oh they don't have to give you anything" (in which I wouldn't care either way) or taking this another direction like I know someone will, think about it. The game should have a "real" vet reward system. That's all I'm saying.

ratbast · 12-15-2011, 06:30 PM

as someone with a cov, i do feel lucky and special whenever i need it and it saves me some zoning. i really value what it provides to me. giving it to everyone might make me feel ungrateful it has a 1 hour cooldown... as a secondary issue...the cov is one reason i dont have a second account. if my original account could be cloned, i would gladly take on a second account. EVEN IF THAT MEANT THE CLONED ACCOUNT ONLY HAD F2P EXPAC UNLOCKS (yet still had same 'account age'. as it is, im keeping a former raf account(f2p not actively playing since i dont want to invest in it) to do some management tasks like alt guild invites, keeping zones open so several alts can access same instance for quest updates, but im waiting for/until a vet guildy quits and let me take over his vet account. i know i would be kicking myself using the raf i started in late november soon down the road since it has basically zero account age. as an alternative to secondary accounts, i think it would be awesome if concurrent connections were allowed (capped at ~6 if thats necessary), @ 14.99/month per connection. this would allow a customer to keep all toons on same account, benefiting from heirloom, vet rewards, and still paying a regular sub per person logged in. imo account management is one of the most significant areas of improvement eq2 could work on. i know in eq1 you can call to home at char select. it would save CSR time and effort. just this morning i /petitioned because of the new shard of love zone being bugged, and my toon being located within a broken zone. (my toon was put into bbm this morning tyvm by GM) better account management tools for customers would give us more options and could potentially give players tools to resolve some of their own /petition issues.

zoning is an altoholics nightmare. i have an extensive network of prestige houses to my alt guilds and to the 8 cities where homes are available (to cut down on # of zone crossings), but /log alt is almost as long as 2 zoning periods. so logging, then zoning around norrath for world events/holidays, (even with a rally flag from one of my personal guilds), can be a bit cumbersome. often i park a raf at the holiday event and use the cov to get me started. even a new tradeskill class (like courier/rally flag planter/or quest sharer) would be better than no account management tools whatsoever.

i think of my characters as belonging to the same clan, some might join different guilds, but they all work for my same goals. the complete disconnect between each one (quest journal/interactivity) is logistically challenging since my zoning time ranges from 3 seconds to 10 seconds. i dont imagine all that zoning is easy on the server either.

Mike585 · 12-15-2011, 06:43 PM

ratbastard wrote:

as someone with a cov, i do feel lucky and special whenever i need it and it saves me some zoning. i really value what it provides to me. giving it to everyone might make me feel ungrateful it has a 1 hour cooldown...

Well I wouldn't be saying give it to everyone. Not everyone has an account 7 years old hehe. But heck I would gladly give up the expansion bonuses to be rewarded my true base account age time. Heck even in-game it says "Account Age", not "Paid Subscription Days". Silly if you ask me.

ISeeker · 12-15-2011, 07:41 PM

So I was able to log in, none of my accounts have vet awards calculated from the launch date, period. No extra bonus days for any expansion bought past kunark.. even on a brand spanking new account, it seem I get credit for buying all the expansions up to kunark.. (started from a retail Sentinal's Fate Collectors edition, so thats perhaps why)

First silver account has 1659 days, it NOW has veteran awards that were missing yesterday.Two silver accounts have 1552 days, still NO veteran awardsFourth silver account, 2073 days, it NOW has veteran awards that were missing yesterday

Gold launch account, has 2225 days, but has NO +90 days for any bought expansions past Kunark (i have bought 2 since then)., has vet awards, but definitly NOT calculated from account open date.

Gold account opened On Dec 2nd, 2011, shows... 373 days, and has veteran awards (all +90 for expansions up to Kunark, this was from a retail Sentinels Fate bought and registered before the F2P conversion)

So in the end.. I have no idea what is going on SMILEY

ISeeker · 12-16-2011, 02:33 PM

So an update, all of my accounts across the board now have access to veteran awards.

All accounts only have a base + 90 Days for expansions up to Kunark, regardless if those accounts actually bought up to kunark or past them.

For those that were freaked out they would be since account creation date, they are NOT, these accounts all had creation dates of Nov 2004, Mar 2005, and Sept 2005. The Mar 2005 accts, ONLY have 4 year rewards..

Would I be happy if they made them all from creation date? Sure, it would allow me to get the Mistmoore house, and it would get me the orb of memories on two of my accounts, so I could play them more (vitality boost).. what would that mean to anyone else? Nothing.. what would that mean to sony? I would probally spend more money on SC, as I would likely unlock more classes and races on those accounts... that would also likely mean I would get those alts to a range where I would need the newest expansions and a sub.. more money for Sony..

Lempo · 12-16-2011, 03:04 PM

It would trivialize the rewards for those that have earned them, it doesn't hurt you not to have it nor does it give anyone any real edge over you vitality burns down so quick anyway.

They have already bent and given in way too much to the demands of the F2P crowd, some of whom yes use the SC shop and support the game _somewhat_ and a portion I'm sure spend more than $15 a month in the SC shop. The larger majority might spend $30 a year in there and I'm sorry but they absolutely do not deserve the same level of rewards as those that have subscribed and supported the game for many years.

ISeeker · 12-16-2011, 03:21 PM

I see why someone could get offended, having said that, if a game isn't sustanable, and closes, who does it ultimately benifit.

The core market of any game or service like this is high revenue, low use. Sony makes more money from a person that buys SC, then forgets about it, plays the game for a bit, but doesn't log on often.. vs a sub that pays $15 a month, but plays substantially, calls tech support, etc.

(To be fair, the best person for Sony is the person that pre pays for 3 months, 6 mths or a year, and then doesn't log in, thats why they progressively discount those memberships)

Companies spend a fortune trying to attract new customers, often at the expense of "old" customers.. Amazon may offer $10 - off your FIRST order, a cable or phone company will offer 6 months 1/2 off for NEW customers only (or returning), costco may offer $10 off a member ship for new customers, or ones that held a membership and let it lapse. This is to address the thing companies HATE, customer churn, that means you paid to acquire a customer, throught special offers, advertising, etc, only to loose them.. companies spend a significant amount of cash to move churn a few percentage points. In some companies, for a company to recoup the cost of a freebee, they need to keep you for 2-3 years at full rate.. (thats the reason cell phones are significantly more expensive with no contract..)

Consumers have significant choice when it comes to spending money and or time. EQ2 is not the only game in town. Would I be cheezed if i had my launch account, which i pre-preordered, and paid every single month on for over 6 years and finally got item X for free, when some "newb" who came in, and did the same, but paid 1 year less, now got the same thing? or someone who played years ago, quit, but came back, also got the same thing? Sure.. but where would me getting angry get me... nowhere.. because in the end, if sony lost me, but gained two new subscribers, the game as a whole gets financially better

Mike585 · 12-16-2011, 06:27 PM

Lempo@Everfrost wrote:

It would trivialize the rewards for those that have earned them

I'm still trying to figure out how paying for the game for all these years counts as "earning" anything. You are paying a subscription, not technically doing crap else. People keep forgetting that the game used to give rewards from account creation, and now its BACK to that system. I don't see the harm in giving a couple more people their true vet rewards. It's all good fairness. Not that many more people would have the 6 year+ ones anyway. Just remember that.

Mike585 · 12-16-2011, 06:35 PM

ISeeker wrote:

No extra bonus days for any expansion bought past kunark.. even on a brand spanking new account, it seem I get credit for buying all the expansions up to kunark.. (started from a retail Sentinal's Fate Collectors edition, so thats perhaps why)

Nothin' to worry about; they didn't award any extra time with expansions after Rise of Kunark. Only the first four (DoF, KoS, EoF, RoK) got +90 days.

MystsofLedge12 · 12-16-2011, 10:47 PM

how does something based off the day you bought (or activated) trivialized.... that is taking the trivialization idea a bit too far.

If you want an arguament on trivialized content look at SLR or nerfed zones or the whacked out progression they gave us in DoV

Like I have posted several times, its an issue SmokeBlower made a false or purposely misleading statement on 8 December saying that vet rewards were unlocked for all. Then on 12 December he in this thread posed a retraction and clarification, but in the between time anyone who petitioned for vet rewards to be based on Account Creation Date (eq2 acount was understood) is BY LAW required to recieve that promotion.

Rediculous would have been me calling 2 News Works for You on this and putting SOE on tv, so I took it through the BBB they will contact SOE and SOE will have to respond.

Extremely Rediculous would have been to call in legal councell .... then SOE would loose millions once the case ran its course, and believe me people have started class actions for much less, If you do or have done Netflix you got a notification for a Wall-Mart Gift Card and if you have ordered event tickets you are entitled to a whopping $2 refund on a max of 2 ticket orders. In each case law firms made the money (on both sides) at the expense of TicketMaster and Netflix and the consumer got very little.

Zehl_Ice-Fire · 12-17-2011, 11:07 AM

Is this ever going live? Players who paid for 7 years and decided to go free can't even get rewards they earned. I turned all 3 of mine on but I'm speaking for other people. Mine are still a little short of 8 year reward when one of them was created on day 1, 1 a month after.

Mystfit · 12-17-2011, 11:45 AM

MystsofLedge12 wrote:

Like I have posted several times, its an issue SmokeBlower made a false or purposely misleading statement on 8 December saying that vet rewards were unlocked for all.

Might be nice since you've reported them to the BBB and, according to you, can't contact you if you limited your comments to facts and no name-calling since they can't even defend themselves publically against you...

Hamervelder · 12-18-2011, 03:51 AM

Mike585 wrote:

Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Mike585 wrote:
Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote:
now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months
it was a perk for paying to play
Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play?
I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what.
It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything.
I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times.
Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway?
Your argument is based on semantics and a sense of self-entitlement, and little else. You want to get what others have earned, without having done what they did to get it. You didn't do what was required to meet the standard, so you don't get the reward. It's that simple. Couldn't pay, wouldn't pay, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that you didn't remain a paying customer, so you don't get the same perks as those who did. Period.
did you miss the part where i said they should then separate paid-time rewards with creation time rewards? i've been playing since 05! the game USED to give vet rewards based on creation! dont give me this b.s.

I don't recall any time when vet rewards were given based upon account creation, rather than the amount of time that an account is active. I think you're confused. What SOE used to do was to give you a 90-day bonus toward your account age when you purchased an expansion. That ceased some time ago. And yes, I saw the part where you said that "those who actually payed (sic) all these years should just get rewarded something else...." Once again, you want what someone else has, and you're unwilling to do what they had to do in order to get it. Instead, you want SOE to give those people something else, and give you what those people used to get. That's utterly childish and silly.

Dale · 12-18-2011, 01:03 PM

grimesie wrote:

And now I feel even less special for paying $180/yr + to play this game.....

agreed

cowkiller · 12-18-2011, 03:20 PM

Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Mike585 wrote:
Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Mike585 wrote:
Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote:
now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months
it was a perk for paying to play
Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play?
I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what.
It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything.
I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times.
Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway?
Your argument is based on semantics and a sense of self-entitlement, and little else. You want to get what others have earned, without having done what they did to get it. You didn't do what was required to meet the standard, so you don't get the reward. It's that simple. Couldn't pay, wouldn't pay, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that you didn't remain a paying customer, so you don't get the same perks as those who did. Period.
did you miss the part where i said they should then separate paid-time rewards with creation time rewards? i've been playing since 05! the game USED to give vet rewards based on creation! dont give me this b.s.
I don't recall any time when vet rewards were given based upon account creation, rather than the amount of time that an account is active. I think you're confused. What SOE used to do was to give you a 90-day bonus toward your account age when you purchased an expansion. That ceased some time ago. And yes, I saw the part where you said that "those who actually payed (sic) all these years should just get rewarded something else...." Once again, you want what someone else has, and you're unwilling to do what they had to do in order to get it. Instead, you want SOE to give those people something else, and give you what those people used to get. That's utterly childish and silly.

yawn have my 5 year vet rewards working on my 6th year

have the title i been wanting on freeport server " from karana "

now where did i put the troll food ?

Marnus · 12-18-2011, 04:52 PM

You know, at first I was put off about people getting vet rewards without paying for them, when i had all these years. Then last night i saw the triple sc sale and realized i could buy a years worth of gold level non recurring time for like 30 or 40 bucks. I have been paying 19.99 for a station access account, and for what? the 5 extra slots? i wasnt using them anyway, and if i need more i can just buy them with all the extra sc i bought during the triple when they go on sale. I dont need a sub to keep my vet rewards going anymore, as they just hand those out to anyone who starts up a free account now, and the extra 500 sc a month i get for recurring is a joke, as aside from slots, and now game time, i hardly ever use sc anyway. Now i dont have to worry about a monthly charge coming out of my account, and i still get to play without restriction SMILEY I'm really not sure why soe would do this, but merry christmas i guess lol. Hopefully they will run a similar event next year, and if they dont, ive bought enough extra to cover and additional year at full price, plus 5 slots at full price. So basically, unless they come out with something that i really want on the marketplace, i dont have to pay another dime for the next two years SMILEY Now thats free to play SMILEY

Tigress · 12-18-2011, 06:32 PM

MystsofLedge12 wrote:

Like I have posted several times, its an issue SmokeBlower made a false or purposely misleading statement on 8 December saying that vet rewards were unlocked for all. Then on 12 December he in this thread posed a retraction and clarification, but in the between time anyone who petitioned for vet rewards to be based on Account Creation Date (eq2 acount was understood) is BY LAW required to recieve that promotion.

that is just absurd. are you a lawyer? i'm guessing not bc that is such a silly statement.

he did not type what you stated. in fact, you didn't even type it! you are implying that vet rewards were unlocked for all going to back to character creation. he did not type that & neither did you. his response was ambiguous, as it usually is. he had to go back & clarify it, as he usually does. anybody who petitioned would have gotten a response with a clearer answer. in cases like this, i don't think he is intentionally being ambiguous; rather, he misses that his words could be read more than one way.

12-14-2011, 11:05 PM	#151
Riftsburn Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 86	ISeeker wrote: Amistae@Lucan DLere wrote: I can't speak for every silver account, but I don't have mine yet, and neither does hubby. I saw a post in the Support forums that indicated that a fix for that's being worked on. Perfect... patience is key then.... i can just wait until its done... the race / class refunds were a few days late.. but they showed up eventually.. You got your race/class refund? Huh. Wonder if I should put in a ticket.

12-15-2011, 12:05 AM	#152
Valdaglerion Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,870	Lempo@Everfrost wrote: Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote: MystsofLedge12 wrote: On behalf of all customers who were mislead by this statement i have filed a complaint with the BBB on this, i gave SOE every opportunity to remedy this through the petition system. Congrats. These are the types of the things the legal department at every major company likes to bring up at departmental meetings as proof and reason as to why employees of the company should make no public comment which can be construed as intent on part of hte company without prior approval on exact verbiage from the legal department. Ask them for open communication and then crucify them for a statement which required some clarification and for which clarification was given. /thumbs up! you rock. . . This is going to take all of 2 minutes for SOE to clear up with the BBB. The people at the BBB though all got a good laugh at the OP's expense, this clown has absolutely no understanding of what is, can and will be construed as legally binding, and the TOS that they have agreed to time and time again clearly state that SOE can change said policies at any time for any reason. I would actually benefit from this, due to 3 months here, 2 months there, a month or so in another place or two I am about 6 months shy of my 6 year vet reward SOE is in no way responsible for me not having it. That said I'd pay a year sub in advance right now if the time was immediately credited to me. I do plenty of bashing of SOE though I try to do it with issues that actually have merit and this foolishness has none. /Agree. I do think the vet time gets credited once the payment is applied to your account. At least I recall that being the case when i used that system prior to my break. Might want to confirm with SOE accounting unless a red name wants to chime in here. But you can only pay at most 1 year in advance.

12-15-2011, 02:23 AM	#153
Mike585 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York Posts: 13	Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote: Mike585 wrote: Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote: now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months it was a perk for paying to play Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play? I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what. It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything. I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times. Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway? Your argument is based on semantics and a sense of self-entitlement, and little else. You want to get what others have earned, without having done what they did to get it. You didn't do what was required to meet the standard, so you don't get the reward. It's that simple. Couldn't pay, wouldn't pay, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that you didn't remain a paying customer, so you don't get the same perks as those who did. Period. did you miss the part where i said they should then separate paid-time rewards with creation time rewards? i've been playing since 05! the game USED to give vet rewards based on creation! dont give me this b.s.

12-15-2011, 04:45 AM	#154
Marnus Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Tandros os Thol Rank: Archduke Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 275	Mike585 wrote: Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote: now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months it was a perk for paying to play Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play? I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what. It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything. I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times. Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway? The part in red just kills me lol. That's like saying" I have always been loyal to my wife-sure i have slept with other women, from time to time, but i always come back to her"-I don't think you have got a firm grasp of what loyalty is. Loyalty isnt ditching this game to go play another, only to come back when its free, and to expect to be rewarded for not supporting the game while others have is kind of naive.

12-15-2011, 07:15 AM	#155
Aethn Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 164	You can all stop arguing about this now, its fixed in todays update Thurs 12/15, here is the note GENERAL All Membership levels may now claim Veteran rewards. Fixed a bug where expertise AAs would not load properly from a mirror. When using an AA mirror to switch profiles you will no longer be spammed with onscreen messages or having icons autopopulate into your hotbars. Fixed a bug where the character tree would not show in the respec window when attempting to purchase AA respecs. __________________

12-15-2011, 07:37 AM	#156
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Persyphony@Antonia Bayle wrote: You can all stop arguing about this now, its fixed in todays update Thurs 12/15, here is the note GENERAL All Membership levels may now claim Veteran rewards. Fixed a bug where expertise AAs would not load properly from a mirror. When using an AA mirror to switch profiles you will no longer be spammed with onscreen messages or having icons autopopulate into your hotbars. Fixed a bug where the character tree would not show in the respec window when attempting to purchase AA respecs. Actually this isn't the thing this thread has become about. It is about whether the date you originally created your account should be used to determine account age, regardless of subscription status over the last 7 years, or if it simply means bronze/silver players can now accrue vet rewards. This was clarified by Smokejumper to mean the latter of the two, but due to the wording of his initial announcement there are people who believe SOE should change it to the former.

12-15-2011, 10:24 AM	#157
ISeeker Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	Persyphony@Antonia Bayle wrote: You can all stop arguing about this now, its fixed in todays update Thurs 12/15, here is the note GENERAL All Membership levels may now claim Veteran rewards. Fixed a bug where expertise AAs would not load properly from a mirror. When using an AA mirror to switch profiles you will no longer be spammed with onscreen messages or having icons autopopulate into your hotbars. Fixed a bug where the character tree would not show in the respec window when attempting to purchase AA respecs. Just saw that, so the question will be answered today on how it works I have one two old accounts (silver) created in 2005, showing 1200+ days, (no expansions bought, they were actually mule accounts, that had no characters on them, but I must have created them way back in the day, so check how many registered accounts you may have). 1 gold account showing Nov 2004 as the creation date, every expansion bought except DOV, was showing some 2200+ days, and two other silver accounts from 2006, showing around 1200+ days, but multiple expansions bought... Honestly, the fact that Sony has been generous has made me generous. The three things that got me to "invest" in AOD, were grandfathering accounts, the SC refund for the races and classes, and the vet awards. When EQ said it was going F2P, I decided I would spend X dollars on it... Due to refunds, I had more SC, and I decided to up my limit because Sony (for once), made me feel welcome. I have subbed two accounts, bought the AOD expansion, and even bought around 5000 SC points, so their free to play just from me alone got them around 80 bucks plus, from someone that wouldn't have given them any money otherwise.. Had they not grandfathered the accounts, I personally would probably have only spent about 30 bucks total, not subbed at all. To make me even happier, I found I had about 30 LON cards on my old accounts; I was able to get 1 extra char slot on both accounts, so now with silver I will have 5 accts on both of those accounts. Hell, I even unlocked the floglok, so my account info says Entitlement: Floglock, but am I complaining I can't make one without buying the pack... noo... (Well if they would give it to me, I wouldn't say no ) Now some will say, a person like me is bad for the game.. Well, my highest char is only 81, I don't raid, I mostly putter around and harvest, oftentimes in zones that area ghost town and raise tradeskiller alts from scratch so I can be self sufficient.. I don't really interact much with the economy at large. When I have the time I play, which with a family and kids, isn't what it used to be. I am the type of used I expect they want... a person that showed up, that wouldn't have normally without this f2p, dropped some money; and will probably occasionally log in from time to time to blow through a few hours.. And for those that only listen to "true vets with street cred" check my forum registered date.. I was a 3 sub paying customer, all expansions purchased, for around 5 years solid, and on and off for the rest, oh and EQ1 launch account player as well. My opionion on giving vet rewards is this, if it attracts people to the game, and they spend money, that they otherwise woulld not have, that pays for the development of the game. If there is no revenue stream, the game dies, then any veteran awards that ANYONE may or may not have earned don't exist in a dead game.. Oh and I bought SWG and Vanguard too.... Edit (aparently cut and pasting from word messes up font colors..)

12-15-2011, 10:33 AM	#158
ISeeker Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	Amistae@Lucan DLere wrote: ISeeker wrote: Amistae@Lucan DLere wrote: I can't speak for every silver account, but I don't have mine yet, and neither does hubby. I saw a post in the Support forums that indicated that a fix for that's being worked on. Perfect... patience is key then.... i can just wait until its done... the race / class refunds were a few days late.. but they showed up eventually.. You got your race/class refund? Huh. Wonder if I should put in a ticket. It may be a first in first out deal.. I made my purchaces, (both buying he SC, and using it to purchace the race / class, immediately after the servers came up on conversion day).. Perhaps there is a priority for those that made credit card purchaces immeadiately to prevent the risk of people doing chargebacks once they saw the announcement.. OR, they could just be scripting it based on when you actually bought the race pack, and running those transactions one after the other. Not even though my two accounts were actually PURCHACED on the same date, about 15 mins separated the actual purchace, that translated into 24 hours delay between accounts for the refund. The account i bought it on first got the refund first, the account i bought it on second, got the refund approximately 24 hours after the first one.. (give or take, I wasn't exactly clocking it) So if it was first in first out, from that alone, there was a LOT of transactions to process.. (I have no factual basis for this, beyond my own opinion)

12-15-2011, 03:49 PM	#159
MystsofLedge12 Lord Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 189	No new vet rewards to claim, just checked, but SOE isnt allowed to contact me with anything, untill the BBB does its consumer protection thing. Seriously i have no clue why so many white knight SOE on some of these issues, they made a purposely vague statement to mislead people into possibly coming back by offering free items in their product. At first I gave Smoke Jumper the benefit of the doubt that he by failure of thinking things through just made a statement, but their lack of willingness to work with me tells a different story i have a long petition thread of cut and pasted towing the line. If this is the mode of operation for SOE its making me wonder if they deserve my sub fees? __________________ Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

12-15-2011, 04:01 PM	#160
apwyork Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 186	Seems pretty obvious this means that all accounts now accumalate vet status, not that inactive accounts receive credit for inactivity. Why people would choose to think they should get vet credit when they had cancelled their membership defies understanding.

12-15-2011, 04:20 PM	#161
ISeeker Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	apwyork wrote: Seems pretty obvious this means that all accounts now accumalate vet status, not that inactive accounts receive credit for inactivity. Why people would choose to think they should get vet credit when they had cancelled their membership defies understanding. Originally, they went with account creation = Account Age for vet rewards (+90 Days for every expansion you bought), then they went to, you have to have a valid account to continue to acumulate them. So you could sign up at launch, do the 30 days free, come back 3 years later.. you got 3 year vet rewards.. (I realized they changed that a few expansions back) Based on your post, are you stating that the second you stopped subbing, the clock resets??? On my account (and i havn't checked today), I had up to 5 year vet rewards availiable to my account in Sept 2011, Now that i am silver, do i reset to zero? (because i have no vet rewards on the acct?).. Again i haven't logged in today, so not sure if its fixed.. My account that i made "gold" On december 1st, GOT all of the vet rewards up to 6 year.. are you stating that I would loose those if i go to silver now??? Did anyone, who HAD vet rewards before, then "Lost" them when they went to silver, did they get them back with todays patch?

12-15-2011, 05:50 PM	#162
Mike585 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York Posts: 13	Marnus@Antonia Bayle wrote: Mike585 wrote: Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote: now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months it was a perk for paying to play Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play? I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what. It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything. I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times. Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway? The part in red just kills me lol. That's like saying" I have always been loyal to my wife-sure i have slept with other women, from time to time, but i always come back to her"-I don't think you have got a firm grasp of what loyalty is. Loyalty isnt ditching this game to go play another, only to come back when its free, and to expect to be rewarded for not supporting the game while others have is kind of naive. That part is completely irrelevant. You cannot compare a game to cheating on your wife. Everyone has tried other games. I never "ditched" this game for any other game, and I most certainly did not come back only when it was free. I have a high amount of vet reward time. Stop trying to divert my point. Things should be the way they used to be, for one sole reason that it IS the way it used to be! So why not make it 100%? Technically now that the terms and conditions have changed, all my off-time now should automatically be bronze/silver time. Also, I believe that if you want to complain about it like a whiney little girl, paid-time rewards should get something else and that they should seperate actual "vet" rewards. That sir is my point. WHO is going to get a 7 year reward now? NOONE! will this game even be around in 7 years? who knows. It is not easy for players to get that especially in the past. Vet rewards is supposed to be a nice feature to be able to log in and have privledge to for being a member of the game for so long, not a reward for filling pockets.

12-15-2011, 05:53 PM	#163
Mystfit Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,984	Mike585 wrote: That part is completely irrelevant. You cannot compare a game to cheating on your wife. Everyone has tried other games. I never "ditched" this game for any other game, and I most certainly did not come back only when it was free. I have a high amount of vet reward time. Stop trying to divert my point. Things should be the way they used to be, for one sole reason that it IS the way it used to be! So why not make it 100%? Technically now that the terms and conditions have changed, all my off-time now should automatically be bronze/silver time. That sir is my point. The change from creation date to subbed time happened quite awhile ago. The time to raise that issue is long past. The fact that it started form creation date and continued even when you didn't pay was fixed. Back then, there ws no ftp to cloud the issue, but people long ago came to terms with that change. __________________

12-15-2011, 05:57 PM	#164
Mike585 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York Posts: 13	Mystfit wrote: Mike585 wrote: That part is completely irrelevant. You cannot compare a game to cheating on your wife. Everyone has tried other games. I never "ditched" this game for any other game, and I most certainly did not come back only when it was free. I have a high amount of vet reward time. Stop trying to divert my point. Things should be the way they used to be, for one sole reason that it IS the way it used to be! So why not make it 100%? Technically now that the terms and conditions have changed, all my off-time now should automatically be bronze/silver time. That sir is my point. The change from creation date to subbed time happened quite awhile ago. The time to raise that issue is long past. The fact that it started form creation date and continued even when you didn't pay was fixed. Back then, there ws no ftp to cloud the issue, but people long ago came to terms with that change. I never, ever have. I updated my above post a bit. So many people will never ever see a CoV. EVERYONE complains about this. Even if they have been playing a long, long time. Every time I ask for a CoV, I 85% of the time get the response, "I don't have one because SOE hates me". What does that say? CoV isn't even all that amazing at all, and it sure isn't worth $1,260 either. Before you start saying "oh they don't have to give you anything" (in which I wouldn't care either way) or taking this another direction like I know someone will, think about it. The game should have a "real" vet reward system. That's all I'm saying.

12-15-2011, 06:30 PM	#165
ratbast Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 365	as someone with a cov, i do feel lucky and special whenever i need it and it saves me some zoning. i really value what it provides to me. giving it to everyone might make me feel ungrateful it has a 1 hour cooldown... as a secondary issue...the cov is one reason i dont have a second account. if my original account could be cloned, i would gladly take on a second account. EVEN IF THAT MEANT THE CLONED ACCOUNT ONLY HAD F2P EXPAC UNLOCKS (yet still had same 'account age'. as it is, im keeping a former raf account(f2p not actively playing since i dont want to invest in it) to do some management tasks like alt guild invites, keeping zones open so several alts can access same instance for quest updates, but im waiting for/until a vet guildy quits and let me take over his vet account. i know i would be kicking myself using the raf i started in late november soon down the road since it has basically zero account age. as an alternative to secondary accounts, i think it would be awesome if concurrent connections were allowed (capped at ~6 if thats necessary), @ 14.99/month per connection. this would allow a customer to keep all toons on same account, benefiting from heirloom, vet rewards, and still paying a regular sub per person logged in. imo account management is one of the most significant areas of improvement eq2 could work on. i know in eq1 you can call to home at char select. it would save CSR time and effort. just this morning i /petitioned because of the new shard of love zone being bugged, and my toon being located within a broken zone. (my toon was put into bbm this morning tyvm by GM) better account management tools for customers would give us more options and could potentially give players tools to resolve some of their own /petition issues. zoning is an altoholics nightmare. i have an extensive network of prestige houses to my alt guilds and to the 8 cities where homes are available (to cut down on # of zone crossings), but /log alt is almost as long as 2 zoning periods. so logging, then zoning around norrath for world events/holidays, (even with a rally flag from one of my personal guilds), can be a bit cumbersome. often i park a raf at the holiday event and use the cov to get me started. even a new tradeskill class (like courier/rally flag planter/or quest sharer) would be better than no account management tools whatsoever. i think of my characters as belonging to the same clan, some might join different guilds, but they all work for my same goals. the complete disconnect between each one (quest journal/interactivity) is logistically challenging since my zoning time ranges from 3 seconds to 10 seconds. i dont imagine all that zoning is easy on the server either.

12-15-2011, 06:43 PM	#166
Mike585 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York Posts: 13	ratbastard wrote: as someone with a cov, i do feel lucky and special whenever i need it and it saves me some zoning. i really value what it provides to me. giving it to everyone might make me feel ungrateful it has a 1 hour cooldown... Well I wouldn't be saying give it to everyone. Not everyone has an account 7 years old hehe. But heck I would gladly give up the expansion bonuses to be rewarded my true base account age time. Heck even in-game it says "Account Age", not "Paid Subscription Days". Silly if you ask me.

12-15-2011, 07:41 PM	#167
ISeeker Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	So I was able to log in, none of my accounts have vet awards calculated from the launch date, period. No extra bonus days for any expansion bought past kunark.. even on a brand spanking new account, it seem I get credit for buying all the expansions up to kunark.. (started from a retail Sentinal's Fate Collectors edition, so thats perhaps why) First silver account has 1659 days, it NOW has veteran awards that were missing yesterday.Two silver accounts have 1552 days, still NO veteran awardsFourth silver account, 2073 days, it NOW has veteran awards that were missing yesterday Gold launch account, has 2225 days, but has NO +90 days for any bought expansions past Kunark (i have bought 2 since then)., has vet awards, but definitly NOT calculated from account open date. Gold account opened On Dec 2nd, 2011, shows... 373 days, and has veteran awards (all +90 for expansions up to Kunark, this was from a retail Sentinels Fate bought and registered before the F2P conversion) So in the end.. I have no idea what is going on

12-16-2011, 02:33 PM	#168
ISeeker Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	So an update, all of my accounts across the board now have access to veteran awards. All accounts only have a base + 90 Days for expansions up to Kunark, regardless if those accounts actually bought up to kunark or past them. For those that were freaked out they would be since account creation date, they are NOT, these accounts all had creation dates of Nov 2004, Mar 2005, and Sept 2005. The Mar 2005 accts, ONLY have 4 year rewards.. Would I be happy if they made them all from creation date? Sure, it would allow me to get the Mistmoore house, and it would get me the orb of memories on two of my accounts, so I could play them more (vitality boost).. what would that mean to anyone else? Nothing.. what would that mean to sony? I would probally spend more money on SC, as I would likely unlock more classes and races on those accounts... that would also likely mean I would get those alts to a range where I would need the newest expansions and a sub.. more money for Sony..

12-16-2011, 03:04 PM	#169
Lempo Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,179	It would trivialize the rewards for those that have earned them, it doesn't hurt you not to have it nor does it give anyone any real edge over you vitality burns down so quick anyway. They have already bent and given in way too much to the demands of the F2P crowd, some of whom yes use the SC shop and support the game _somewhat_ and a portion I'm sure spend more than $15 a month in the SC shop. The larger majority might spend $30 a year in there and I'm sorry but they absolutely do not deserve the same level of rewards as those that have subscribed and supported the game for many years. __________________ All actions have consequences and repercussions. Somewhere in Norrath a guild is about to dissolve.

12-16-2011, 03:21 PM	#170
ISeeker Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	I see why someone could get offended, having said that, if a game isn't sustanable, and closes, who does it ultimately benifit. The core market of any game or service like this is high revenue, low use. Sony makes more money from a person that buys SC, then forgets about it, plays the game for a bit, but doesn't log on often.. vs a sub that pays $15 a month, but plays substantially, calls tech support, etc. (To be fair, the best person for Sony is the person that pre pays for 3 months, 6 mths or a year, and then doesn't log in, thats why they progressively discount those memberships) Companies spend a fortune trying to attract new customers, often at the expense of "old" customers.. Amazon may offer $10 - off your FIRST order, a cable or phone company will offer 6 months 1/2 off for NEW customers only (or returning), costco may offer $10 off a member ship for new customers, or ones that held a membership and let it lapse. This is to address the thing companies HATE, customer churn, that means you paid to acquire a customer, throught special offers, advertising, etc, only to loose them.. companies spend a significant amount of cash to move churn a few percentage points. In some companies, for a company to recoup the cost of a freebee, they need to keep you for 2-3 years at full rate.. (thats the reason cell phones are significantly more expensive with no contract..) Consumers have significant choice when it comes to spending money and or time. EQ2 is not the only game in town. Would I be cheezed if i had my launch account, which i pre-preordered, and paid every single month on for over 6 years and finally got item X for free, when some "newb" who came in, and did the same, but paid 1 year less, now got the same thing? or someone who played years ago, quit, but came back, also got the same thing? Sure.. but where would me getting angry get me... nowhere.. because in the end, if sony lost me, but gained two new subscribers, the game as a whole gets financially better

12-16-2011, 06:27 PM	#171
Mike585 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York Posts: 13	Lempo@Everfrost wrote: It would trivialize the rewards for those that have earned them I'm still trying to figure out how paying for the game for all these years counts as "earning" anything. You are paying a subscription, not technically doing crap else. People keep forgetting that the game used to give rewards from account creation, and now its BACK to that system. I don't see the harm in giving a couple more people their true vet rewards. It's all good fairness. Not that many more people would have the 6 year+ ones anyway. Just remember that.

12-16-2011, 06:35 PM	#172
Mike585 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York Posts: 13	ISeeker wrote: No extra bonus days for any expansion bought past kunark.. even on a brand spanking new account, it seem I get credit for buying all the expansions up to kunark.. (started from a retail Sentinal's Fate Collectors edition, so thats perhaps why) Nothin' to worry about; they didn't award any extra time with expansions after Rise of Kunark. Only the first four (DoF, KoS, EoF, RoK) got +90 days.

12-16-2011, 10:47 PM	#173
MystsofLedge12 Lord Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 189	how does something based off the day you bought (or activated) trivialized.... that is taking the trivialization idea a bit too far. If you want an arguament on trivialized content look at SLR or nerfed zones or the whacked out progression they gave us in DoV Like I have posted several times, its an issue SmokeBlower made a false or purposely misleading statement on 8 December saying that vet rewards were unlocked for all. Then on 12 December he in this thread posed a retraction and clarification, but in the between time anyone who petitioned for vet rewards to be based on Account Creation Date (eq2 acount was understood) is BY LAW required to recieve that promotion. Rediculous would have been me calling 2 News Works for You on this and putting SOE on tv, so I took it through the BBB they will contact SOE and SOE will have to respond. Extremely Rediculous would have been to call in legal councell .... then SOE would loose millions once the case ran its course, and believe me people have started class actions for much less, If you do or have done Netflix you got a notification for a Wall-Mart Gift Card and if you have ordered event tickets you are entitled to a whopping $2 refund on a max of 2 ticket orders. In each case law firms made the money (on both sides) at the expense of TicketMaster and Netflix and the consumer got very little. __________________ Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

12-17-2011, 11:07 AM	#174
Zehl_Ice-Fire Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ / Unrest Posts: 1,858	Is this ever going live? Players who paid for 7 years and decided to go free can't even get rewards they earned. I turned all 3 of mine on but I'm speaking for other people. Mine are still a little short of 8 year reward when one of them was created on day 1, 1 a month after. __________________ Zehl of Unrest SK DE/Provisioner/Transmuter/Tinkerer, Fashion Police Chief of Norrath & quest freak Deyala: 1/2 Elf brig/Carp/Tinker backstabbing vixen Katayira: DE Inquisitor/Alchemist/Tinker Musette: Evil Pixie Dirge/tailor also max woodworker, jeweler, and armorer ask me for FB

12-17-2011, 11:45 AM	#175
Mystfit Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,984	MystsofLedge12 wrote: Like I have posted several times, its an issue SmokeBlower made a false or purposely misleading statement on 8 December saying that vet rewards were unlocked for all. Might be nice since you've reported them to the BBB and, according to you, can't contact you if you limited your comments to facts and no name-calling since they can't even defend themselves publically against you... __________________

12-18-2011, 03:51 AM	#176
Hamervelder Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,585	Mike585 wrote: Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote: Mike585 wrote: Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote: now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months it was a perk for paying to play Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play? I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what. It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything. I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times. Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway? Your argument is based on semantics and a sense of self-entitlement, and little else. You want to get what others have earned, without having done what they did to get it. You didn't do what was required to meet the standard, so you don't get the reward. It's that simple. Couldn't pay, wouldn't pay, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that you didn't remain a paying customer, so you don't get the same perks as those who did. Period. did you miss the part where i said they should then separate paid-time rewards with creation time rewards? i've been playing since 05! the game USED to give vet rewards based on creation! dont give me this b.s. I don't recall any time when vet rewards were given based upon account creation, rather than the amount of time that an account is active. I think you're confused. What SOE used to do was to give you a 90-day bonus toward your account age when you purchased an expansion. That ceased some time ago. And yes, I saw the part where you said that "those who actually payed (sic) all these years should just get rewarded something else...." Once again, you want what someone else has, and you're unwilling to do what they had to do in order to get it. Instead, you want SOE to give those people something else, and give you what those people used to get. That's utterly childish and silly. __________________ Elhonas Warden of Mayhem, Antonia Bayle

12-18-2011, 01:03 PM	#177
Dale Server: The Bazaar Guild: The Coalition of the Phoenix Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 50	grimesie wrote: And now I feel even less special for paying $180/yr + to play this game..... agreed

12-18-2011, 03:20 PM	#178
cowkiller Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote: Mike585 wrote: Elhonas@Antonia Bayle wrote: Mike585 wrote: Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote: now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months it was a perk for paying to play Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play? I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what. It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything. I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times. Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway? Your argument is based on semantics and a sense of self-entitlement, and little else. You want to get what others have earned, without having done what they did to get it. You didn't do what was required to meet the standard, so you don't get the reward. It's that simple. Couldn't pay, wouldn't pay, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that you didn't remain a paying customer, so you don't get the same perks as those who did. Period. did you miss the part where i said they should then separate paid-time rewards with creation time rewards? i've been playing since 05! the game USED to give vet rewards based on creation! dont give me this b.s. I don't recall any time when vet rewards were given based upon account creation, rather than the amount of time that an account is active. I think you're confused. What SOE used to do was to give you a 90-day bonus toward your account age when you purchased an expansion. That ceased some time ago. And yes, I saw the part where you said that "those who actually payed (sic) all these years should just get rewarded something else...." Once again, you want what someone else has, and you're unwilling to do what they had to do in order to get it. Instead, you want SOE to give those people something else, and give you what those people used to get. That's utterly childish and silly. yawn have my 5 year vet rewards working on my 6th year have the title i been wanting on freeport server " from karana " now where did i put the troll food ? __________________ CowBlade Berzerker 92 freeport server Cowkiller 67 barb shammy karana server 7 years EQ1 Cowkiller 90 Mystic freeport eq2x Cowkiller 42 mystic mistmoore server eq2 EverQuest 2 Beta Tester EverQuest 1 Beta tester

12-18-2011, 04:52 PM	#179
Marnus Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Tandros os Thol Rank: Archduke Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 275	You know, at first I was put off about people getting vet rewards without paying for them, when i had all these years. Then last night i saw the triple sc sale and realized i could buy a years worth of gold level non recurring time for like 30 or 40 bucks. I have been paying 19.99 for a station access account, and for what? the 5 extra slots? i wasnt using them anyway, and if i need more i can just buy them with all the extra sc i bought during the triple when they go on sale. I dont need a sub to keep my vet rewards going anymore, as they just hand those out to anyone who starts up a free account now, and the extra 500 sc a month i get for recurring is a joke, as aside from slots, and now game time, i hardly ever use sc anyway. Now i dont have to worry about a monthly charge coming out of my account, and i still get to play without restriction I'm really not sure why soe would do this, but merry christmas i guess lol. Hopefully they will run a similar event next year, and if they dont, ive bought enough extra to cover and additional year at full price, plus 5 slots at full price. So basically, unless they come out with something that i really want on the marketplace, i dont have to pay another dime for the next two years Now thats free to play

12-18-2011, 06:32 PM	#180
Tigress Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,739	MystsofLedge12 wrote: Like I have posted several times, its an issue SmokeBlower made a false or purposely misleading statement on 8 December saying that vet rewards were unlocked for all. Then on 12 December he in this thread posed a retraction and clarification, but in the between time anyone who petitioned for vet rewards to be based on Account Creation Date (eq2 acount was understood) is BY LAW required to recieve that promotion. that is just absurd. are you a lawyer? i'm guessing not bc that is such a silly statement. he did not type what you stated. in fact, you didn't even type it! you are implying that vet rewards were unlocked for all going to back to character creation. he did not type that & neither did you. his response was ambiguous, as it usually is. he had to go back & clarify it, as he usually does. anybody who petitioned would have gotten a response with a clearer answer. in cases like this, i don't think he is intentionally being ambiguous; rather, he misses that his words could be read more than one way.