**Updated** World Event: Help Rebuild the Dragon Rings and Reactivate the Wizard Spire - Page 4

Katz · 07-16-2011, 03:52 PM

That didn't say it would slow it down though.

Senya · 07-16-2011, 04:17 PM

Katz wrote:

That didn't say it would slow it down though.

Very true, and it does need slowed down in my opinion, but I just wanted to let that poster know that it wont be at 99% along and should last more than 10 minutes. Of course if it's not slowed down it's only going to last a few hours at best. It was around 21 hours to go from 0 to 100 on AB if I recall correctly. To do 50% at the same rate would put the event over in 10 hours or less. I'm guessing less since many of those 21 hours were middle of the night for alot of folks.

Sambril · 07-16-2011, 04:19 PM

IIRC wasn't the speed artifically increased on the test servers so that the different stages could be tested? If so it seems like that was left in.

Also wasn't the respawn/evac point supposed to be moved from the spires, because I did respawn there a couple of times?

Cusashorn · 07-16-2011, 05:26 PM

It might be a good idea if you just outright disable both the dragon ring and spire events until everything is fixed. I don't think it's fair that the dragon ring end up completely bypassing the 50% mark and almost end up getting completed just by people doing the solo quests. My raid just tried the ring at the 50% stage twice now, and the dwarves died the first time, but we killed the epic with no casualties the 2nd. Nobody in the raid got quest credit or tokens. The solo quest still works fine though.

Tyrus Dracofire · 07-16-2011, 05:30 PM

lost about 300 tokens from failed updates. PLEASE FIX IT!

200 tokens lost from out of range before pull out, and now lost 100 more tokens from both 50% check point.

just edited for new report.

just updated, now i lost 50 more tokens, another failed update. that 350 tokens and counting lost.

Senya · 07-16-2011, 06:38 PM

I don't think that the event (any part of it) is supposed to be up on any servers. I think it's supposed to be getting a hotfix. I'd suggest sending a /bug report or petitioning and finding out if Butcherblock was left up in error.

Whilhelmina · 07-16-2011, 07:02 PM

Sambril wrote:

IIRC wasn't the speed artifically increased on the test servers so that the different stages could be tested? If so it seems like that was left in.
Also wasn't the respawn/evac point supposed to be moved from the spires, because I did respawn there a couple of times?

Speed on test was 3x the speed of live. We only took a little week to reach 99% on Test on Spires and a couple of days to reach 52% when the progress was stopped on the Druid Ring, so we assumed upping by 3 times would not be enough for live and said so.

The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was.

Drakania · 07-16-2011, 07:50 PM

Oh don't get me wrong I love that they brought back alot of the older stuff that's currently not available, esp the original magic mouth, it matches great with the tinkerfest furniture. I guess my point was that there were some other new cloaks that were on test but not on live and was wondering why they were removed.

retro_guy · 07-16-2011, 08:05 PM

Lempo@Everfrost wrote:

So it won't be running again until the next hotfix which is likely Tuesday which should give just enough time for the all but completed event to be finished again before the weekend.
I may not understand 100% but to get the big reward of tokens at the end you have to be on for the 100% phase and be involved in the kill of the X4 mob, not be a victim of the over zealus AFK catcher and actually get credit. If that is the case it is pretty fail.
I'm obviously not going to be able to get any participation in this at all due to RL and work and sometimes that is just how it goes as it did during the bonus EXP welcome back event that they did, but a world event that could not have been intentionally improvised better to exclude as big of a segment of the population as this was/is still going to. Maybe you guys can really press hard and get the hotfix done on Monday so it will be completed by Friday for sure. The least you could do is put some of these tokens on the marketplace 'for our troubles'.
I just wonder how many of these problems were submitted REPEATEDLY when it was on test, I only say this because I know how many were repeated during the beta for DoV and went completely ignored/left untouched.

That sucks if it will be the case.

I'll be back to work on "Tuesday" (my Wednesday) and then won't be able to play again until after the weekend.

By which stage the even will be over "never to return".

tkia · 07-16-2011, 08:23 PM

Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:

The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was.

I actually re-tested this late last week and the respawn point was moved. But every time I died on live this week I repopped in the old spot at the spires. Maybe that change didn't make it into the live build? Evac was always to the spire though.

Whilhelmina · 07-17-2011, 07:16 AM

Last time, weren't you running towards the Ry'Gorr Griffon? Somewhere along the way, when you're close to the griffon the regen point given swaps to the other side of Ry'gorr keep (which is kinda a death trap for lowbies anyway)

romancediva · 07-17-2011, 10:35 AM

I had three major issues with this event, which mirror some of the issues others have already stated - sorry for any repeats.1 - The event was not announced or promoted as other events are. It was just there one day and, if you were lucky, you got to hear about it from a friend or guildie before it expired. The event progression itself was WAY too fast. For many people who work during the week or who selfishly choose to sleep every once in a while, by the time they were able to spend some time in the game the event had already reached 99%, leaving the majority of players on a server unable to participate at all. I would much rather have seen progression mirror past spire type events that lasted for 3-6 weeks regardless of the number of people participating. At least that way EVERYONE would have the opportunity.

** I am aware that currently, the plan is to reset all spires past 50% back to 50%, but no word on if the event will actually be slowed down or not. So, super busy servers like Antonia Bayle will likely reach completion in a couple hours after the event goes live - once again leaving a LOT of players cut out of the loop because they have to, you know, go to work and sleep and stuff. **2 - Once again, this event is HEAVILY geared for level 90 players. Everyone else pretty much gets left out unless they're lucky enough to still have a freebie griffon they can use to get to the spire point. And, when they get there, they have to be super careful not to get nailed by a rogue mob while they're talking to the errand quest giver or looking at the stuff the merchant is selling - thus destroying their griffon and whatever time they had left to use it. Level 90's are the ONLY ones able to participate in the fighting quest, which was rewarding 25 tokes every 30 minutes at the druid ring. Everyone else gets 3 tokens per boring errand quest. Yes, tokens are heirloom, but not all rewards are. So, thanks to Sony for the F-U to everyone who doesn't have a 90 toon yet or who stupidly has an alt or two who aren't 90. Like usual, those characters and players just don't seem to count. I would have really liked to have seen a portal to the spire points OR a griffon you could take without first having to discover where it is in order to get there so little toons could actually GET to the event to participate, and then I would have liked to have seen a comprable option for those who couldn't participate in the level-90-only fight quest - maybe a scaled instance as in past ring event quests? Or a higher token reward quest that could be done in addition to the 3-token errand quest?? Really, SOMETHING should have been done to make this event more accessable for toons and players who aren't at 90. 3 - (this one is pretty trivial compared to my first two, but still irks me to no end) GROUND MOUNTS for level 90's ONLY?? Really? How stupid was that?? Level 90's have access to FLYING mounts by questing in the Great Divide OR through the Station Marketplace. Why on earth would they want to collect another GROUND mount? The ground mounts should have been made available to EVERYONE. Just my 2 cents on the whole thing.

Lady Mallyce, Level 90 Warden on Everfrost Server

tkia · 07-17-2011, 11:20 AM

Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:

Last time, weren't you running towards the Ry'Gorr Griffon? Somewhere along the way, when you're close to the griffon the regen point given swaps to the other side of Ry'gorr keep (which is kinda a death trap for lowbies anyway)

Last time I tested I did it by nose diving off the top of the spire, expecting to get the bridge option and it gave me the fort. That seems to suggest that the dividing point is somewhere in the middle of the spires themselves.

tkia · 07-17-2011, 11:47 AM

Mallyce@Everfrost wrote:

I would have really liked to have seen a portal to the spire points OR a griffon you could take without first having to discover where it is in order to get there so little toons could actually GET to the event to participate

Not needed. I've done it on a level 23 and am 100% confident I could do it on a level 1 if I could block disco exp. If you keep your eyes open there are perfectly safe paths there from both Thurgadin and the ring event drop point.

Gninja · 07-17-2011, 12:00 PM

tkia wrote:

Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:
The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was.
I actually re-tested this late last week and the respawn point was moved. But every time I died on live this week I repopped in the old spot at the spires. Maybe that change didn't make it into the live build? Evac was always to the spire though.

I will check on this and make sure before its turned on the correct files are on live, that could actually explain a lot of things. The event will be slowed down when it comes back up as well

Odys · 07-17-2011, 12:05 PM

Coud you also tune the event so that it will last at least one week and up to 2 weeks.

Eileah · 07-17-2011, 12:17 PM

At the [Removed for Content] ring I noticed that even after the named was killed there was still a group of mobs near the quest/merchant NPC's, could we get these added to the mobs that must be killed before the named is triggered so that they won't be skipped and left there killing anyone that goes near the NPC's?

romancediva · 07-17-2011, 01:49 PM

Eileah wrote:

At the [Removed for Content] ring I noticed that even after the named was killed there was still a group of mobs near the quest/merchant NPC's ...

Personally, I'd like to see the NPC's moved to a safe zone where you won't get attacked while you're trying to turn in a quest or buy something from the merchant. Leaving them within the area where you're going to be attacked is yet another example of extremely poor planning.

msgnomer · 07-17-2011, 02:05 PM

Mallyce@Everfrost wrote:

Eileah wrote:
At the [Removed for Content] ring I noticed that even after the named was killed there was still a group of mobs near the quest/merchant NPC's ...
Personally, I'd like to see the NPC's moved to a safe zone where you won't get attacked while you're trying to turn in a quest or buy something from the merchant. Leaving them within the area where you're going to be attacked is yet another example of extremely poor planning.

Everyone has their own view. I thought it was extremely good planning. It's been said this was an adventure event and making players have to keep their eyes open for a safe time to make their deliveries adds an adventure element to an otherwise routine task. Yes, there might be times you have to wait or come back later to get or complete the quest, but chances if you can't complete the quest in one spot at the moment, you can go do the quest for the other event. The gryphon at the ring will take you over to the spire area and you can make the reverse trip back to the ring with one gryphon stop. Both events can be done by low level characters, even the first time to the ring if you travel over land with your eyes open to avoid mobs.

Rijacki · 07-17-2011, 04:14 PM

Gninja wrote:

tkia wrote:
Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:
The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was.
I actually re-tested this late last week and the respawn point was moved. But every time I died on live this week I repopped in the old spot at the spires. Maybe that change didn't make it into the live build? Evac was always to the spire though.
I will check on this and make sure before its turned on the correct files are on live, that could actually explain a lot of things. The event will be slowed down when it comes back up as well

Thank you, Gninja.

carpe_caminus · 07-17-2011, 07:53 PM

Gninja wrote:

tkia wrote:
Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:
The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was.
I actually re-tested this late last week and the respawn point was moved. But every time I died on live this week I repopped in the old spot at the spires. Maybe that change didn't make it into the live build? Evac was always to the spire though.
I will check on this and make sure before its turned on the correct files are on live, that could actually explain a lot of things. The event will be slowed down when it comes back up as well

Awesome to hear. Now all I wanna know (if possible) is if those of us who killed Ulbrow will get credit for our efforts. I've noticed that the quests from the EW spires event have been removed from my journal somehow...

Lodrelhai · 07-17-2011, 10:02 PM

Eileah wrote:

At the [Removed for Content] ring I noticed that even after the named was killed there was still a group of mobs near the quest/merchant NPC's, could we get these added to the mobs that must be killed before the named is triggered so that they won't be skipped and left there killing anyone that goes near the NPC's?

I'd love to see this simply for the sake of getting credit for the event. I fought through three events with no credit. A few folks in OOC were kind enough to tell me I had to hit the named to get credit for the event; since I'd been in the back killing the mobs by the NPCs, I never even SAW the named before that. Because of course people swarmed the named as soon as it popped, to make sure they got a hit in before it died, so if you weren't part of that first swarm you were out of luck.

Lera · 07-18-2011, 10:04 AM

Mallyce@Everfrost wrote:

3 - (this one is pretty trivial compared to my first two, but still irks me to no end) GROUND MOUNTS for level 90's ONLY?? Really? How stupid was that?? Level 90's have access to FLYING mounts by questing in the Great Divide OR through the Station Marketplace. Why on earth would they want to collect another GROUND mount? The ground mounts should have been made available to EVERYONE.

Ground mounts have a much higher ground speed than flying mounts, so there might be times when you want them for that speed boost, especially if you're grinding stuff in one particular area.

And, more importantly, mounts are furniture!

Bratface · 07-18-2011, 10:53 AM

Lera@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Mallyce@Everfrost wrote:
3 - (this one is pretty trivial compared to my first two, but still irks me to no end) GROUND MOUNTS for level 90's ONLY?? Really? How stupid was that?? Level 90's have access to FLYING mounts by questing in the Great Divide OR through the Station Marketplace. Why on earth would they want to collect another GROUND mount? The ground mounts should have been made available to EVERYONE.
Ground mounts have a much higher ground speed than flying mounts, so there might be times when you want them for that speed boost, especially if you're grinding stuff in one particular area.
And, more importantly, mounts are furniture!

They were not created for the event, they are from a raid zone merchant in Icy Keep and have been on that merchant since well before flying mounts.

I agree that everything on the merchant should be for all levels, but they didn't go out of their way to exclude anyone, these mounts were just added to give an alternate method of aquiring them.

Gninja · 07-18-2011, 02:31 PM

A new version of the mounts have been created and should be hooked up to the merchant when the event turns back on. They are now usable by crafters and I have lowered the cost a bit.

Shiruki · 07-18-2011, 02:38 PM

carpe_caminus wrote:

Awesome to hear. Now all I wanna know (if possible) is if those of us who killed Ulbrow will get credit for our efforts. I've noticed that the quests from the EW spires event have been removed from my journal somehow...

Ditto.

I get that you cannot plan for all contingencies, stuff happens.

But it would be normal for participants to events to get credited and have rewards, all the more if it was something that you can only do once (talking about ubber mob killed at 99%).

Especially since many, based on several posts in this thread, wouldn't be able to be there again : that you can still get everything with tokens from repeatable quest is good but, as said several times earlier (sorry if not quoting everyone guys) SMILEY getting tokens WILL be an issue on the most populated servers since spires will be rebuilded awfully fast (even if you can still harvest tokens on the ground : it will only mean issues between players camping spots and all).

Honestly, that complaints aren't heard and REALLY answered, would be the one thing to make me quite this game for good.

Delimant · 07-18-2011, 03:21 PM

It would be insanely hard time consuming to go back and try to figure out who killed him during each interval during each event. It would require parsing through many gigs worth of log files, then manually checking and updating each person. Not really worth it. Would be best just to make the quest last a bit longer so everyone has a chance at it.

Senya · 07-18-2011, 03:34 PM

Time consuming or not it should happen. Those players done the event and should not be cheated out of their rewards because of a bug. I was not there, so it doesn't effect me either way, but SOE should make it right. I'm sure that they have some way of filtering logs by time, date, loc, server, mob name, player name, or any number of other things.

carpe_caminus · 07-18-2011, 04:53 PM

Delimant@Butcherblock wrote:

It would be insanely hard time consuming to go back and try to figure out who killed him during each interval during each event. It would require parsing through many gigs worth of log files, then manually checking and updating each person. Not really worth it. Would be best just to make the quest last a bit longer so everyone has a chance at it.

You don't seem to understand the situation exactly. The fight we're asking to be rewarded for is a once per server fight. It dies, then it's gone. On AB, a group of people (about 2 raids worth give or take) killed the final x4 mob for the spires. A linked trash mob bugged and eventually despawned, we didn't get credit, and the encounter was unable to respawn. This isn't some repeatable quest we're talking about.

They'd have to parse through one encounter log per server (although I hear on at least one other server there was a second fight in a different EW instance for them, which also bugged identically). They just need to see who got an attack in on the encounter, and flag their quest complete. Honestly that wouldn't be that "insanely time consuming". There was just one spawn, one kill, per server. They've done similar in the past, so this wouldn't be something unheard of.

"Not really worth it" is something you can say rather easily if you weren't online when the once-in-a-lifetime spawn occurred. To anyone there... it's beyond worth it. Extending the quest in this case would be irrelevant. Then you'd have those folks having to camp the spires day and night hoping to be there at just the right moment... as if nobody there had any real-life daily schedules to worry about. The simple fact is we were lucky enough to be there when it was possible to spawn the named, and we killed it. We got screwed out of an update due to a bug, but should be credited for our accomplishment.

Not only would that extra effort required to make that happen be worth it, but it would be GREATLY appreciated. Personally, it's that ability to make right by your customers that makes me want to continue giving my business to a company. SOE has done that in the past, and all I can hope is they'll rise to the occasion this time too.

Iskandar · 07-18-2011, 05:00 PM

Would leaving the two repatable quests active after the event ends be an acceptable idea? It's my understanding that, once the event reaches 100% and is completed, everything goes away except for the vendor and the ground-spawn tokens (which, so far, can easily be dominated by just two or three harvesters). The repeatable quests would at least give everyone who is interested a reliable method of gaining more tokens.

Alternately, would it be possible to have the ground-spawn tokens spawn zone-wide once the event ends? This would allow even low-level toons to harvest from safe areas, and generally just give everyone a fair chance at some of the spawns.

At the very least, I'm glad to hear the progress on CB will be bumped down to 50%... we had just broken 50 on the dragonring, and the spire was at 89 (or more) when the event was taken down... both would have been finished before most of the server was even home from work, easily. This kinda reminds me of the first such event, the griffon tower construction, which started and finished before I got home from work (and I'm on the East coast... it was still mid-afternoon in California!)

07-16-2011, 04:17 PM	#92
Senya Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Ironforge Exchange Posts: 1,754	Katz wrote: That didn't say it would slow it down though. Very true, and it does need slowed down in my opinion, but I just wanted to let that poster know that it wont be at 99% along and should last more than 10 minutes. Of course if it's not slowed down it's only going to last a few hours at best. It was around 21 hours to go from 0 to 100 on AB if I recall correctly. To do 50% at the same rate would put the event over in 10 hours or less. I'm guessing less since many of those 21 hours were middle of the night for alot of folks. __________________ Click image for a list of my completed projects.

07-16-2011, 04:19 PM	#93
Sambril Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 189	IIRC wasn't the speed artifically increased on the test servers so that the different stages could be tested? If so it seems like that was left in. Also wasn't the respawn/evac point supposed to be moved from the spires, because I did respawn there a couple of times? __________________ Worried in EU

07-16-2011, 06:38 PM	#96
Senya Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Ironforge Exchange Posts: 1,754	I don't think that the event (any part of it) is supposed to be up on any servers. I think it's supposed to be getting a hotfix. I'd suggest sending a /bug report or petitioning and finding out if Butcherblock was left up in error. __________________ Click image for a list of my completed projects.

07-16-2011, 07:02 PM	#97
Whilhelmina Server: Storms Guild: Les Furies d Innoruuk Rank: Matriarches Tester Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Storms) Posts: 3,161	Sambril wrote: IIRC wasn't the speed artifically increased on the test servers so that the different stages could be tested? If so it seems like that was left in. Also wasn't the respawn/evac point supposed to be moved from the spires, because I did respawn there a couple of times? Speed on test was 3x the speed of live. We only took a little week to reach 99% on Test on Spires and a couple of days to reach 52% when the progress was stopped on the Druid Ring, so we assumed upping by 3 times would not be enough for live and said so. The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was. __________________ French Tradeskill Guide and my houses.

07-16-2011, 08:05 PM	#99
retro_guy Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 935	Lempo@Everfrost wrote: So it won't be running again until the next hotfix which is likely Tuesday which should give just enough time for the all but completed event to be finished again before the weekend. I may not understand 100% but to get the big reward of tokens at the end you have to be on for the 100% phase and be involved in the kill of the X4 mob, not be a victim of the over zealus AFK catcher and actually get credit. If that is the case it is pretty fail. I'm obviously not going to be able to get any participation in this at all due to RL and work and sometimes that is just how it goes as it did during the bonus EXP welcome back event that they did, but a world event that could not have been intentionally improvised better to exclude as big of a segment of the population as this was/is still going to. Maybe you guys can really press hard and get the hotfix done on Monday so it will be completed by Friday for sure. The least you could do is put some of these tokens on the marketplace 'for our troubles'. I just wonder how many of these problems were submitted REPEATEDLY when it was on test, I only say this because I know how many were repeated during the beta for DoV and went completely ignored/left untouched. That sucks if it will be the case. I'll be back to work on "Tuesday" (my Wednesday) and then won't be able to play again until after the weekend. By which stage the even will be over "never to return". __________________

07-16-2011, 03:52 PM	#91
Katz Loremaster Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,601	That didn't say it would slow it down though.

07-16-2011, 05:26 PM	#94
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	It might be a good idea if you just outright disable both the dragon ring and spire events until everything is fixed. I don't think it's fair that the dragon ring end up completely bypassing the 50% mark and almost end up getting completed just by people doing the solo quests. My raid just tried the ring at the 50% stage twice now, and the dwarves died the first time, but we killed the epic with no casualties the 2nd. Nobody in the raid got quest credit or tokens. The solo quest still works fine though.

07-16-2011, 05:30 PM	#95
Tyrus Dracofire Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,274	lost about 300 tokens from failed updates. PLEASE FIX IT! 200 tokens lost from out of range before pull out, and now lost 100 more tokens from both 50% check point. just edited for new report. just updated, now i lost 50 more tokens, another failed update. that 350 tokens and counting lost.

07-16-2011, 07:50 PM	#98
Drakania Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 25	Oh don't get me wrong I love that they brought back alot of the older stuff that's currently not available, esp the original magic mouth, it matches great with the tinkerfest furniture. I guess my point was that there were some other new cloaks that were on test but not on live and was wondering why they were removed.

07-16-2011, 08:23 PM	#100
tkia Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 577	Whilhelmina@Storms wrote: The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was. I actually re-tested this late last week and the respawn point was moved. But every time I died on live this week I repopped in the old spot at the spires. Maybe that change didn't make it into the live build? Evac was always to the spire though.

07-17-2011, 07:16 AM	#101
Whilhelmina Server: Storms Guild: Les Furies d Innoruuk Rank: Matriarches Tester Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Storms) Posts: 3,161	Last time, weren't you running towards the Ry'Gorr Griffon? Somewhere along the way, when you're close to the griffon the regen point given swaps to the other side of Ry'gorr keep (which is kinda a death trap for lowbies anyway) __________________ French Tradeskill Guide and my houses.

07-17-2011, 10:35 AM	#102
romancediva Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Posts: 30	I had three major issues with this event, which mirror some of the issues others have already stated - sorry for any repeats.1 - The event was not announced or promoted as other events are. It was just there one day and, if you were lucky, you got to hear about it from a friend or guildie before it expired. The event progression itself was WAY too fast. For many people who work during the week or who selfishly choose to sleep every once in a while, by the time they were able to spend some time in the game the event had already reached 99%, leaving the majority of players on a server unable to participate at all. I would much rather have seen progression mirror past spire type events that lasted for 3-6 weeks regardless of the number of people participating. At least that way EVERYONE would have the opportunity. I am aware that currently, the plan is to reset all spires past 50% back to 50%, but no word on if the event will actually be slowed down or not. So, super busy servers like Antonia Bayle will likely reach completion in a couple hours after the event goes live - once again leaving a LOT of players cut out of the loop because they have to, you know, go to work and sleep and stuff. 2 - Once again, this event is HEAVILY geared for level 90 players. Everyone else pretty much gets left out unless they're lucky enough to still have a freebie griffon they can use to get to the spire point. And, when they get there, they have to be super careful not to get nailed by a rogue mob while they're talking to the errand quest giver or looking at the stuff the merchant is selling - thus destroying their griffon and whatever time they had left to use it. Level 90's are the ONLY ones able to participate in the fighting quest, which was rewarding 25 tokes every 30 minutes at the druid ring. Everyone else gets 3 tokens per boring errand quest. Yes, tokens are heirloom, but not all rewards are. So, thanks to Sony for the F-U to everyone who doesn't have a 90 toon yet or who stupidly has an alt or two who aren't 90. Like usual, those characters and players just don't seem to count. I would have really liked to have seen a portal to the spire points OR a griffon you could take without first having to discover where it is in order to get there so little toons could actually GET to the event to participate, and then I would have liked to have seen a comprable option for those who couldn't participate in the level-90-only fight quest - maybe a scaled instance as in past ring event quests? Or a higher token reward quest that could be done in addition to the 3-token errand quest?? Really, SOMETHING should have been done to make this event more accessable for toons and players who aren't at 90. 3 - (this one is pretty trivial compared to my first two, but still irks me to no end) GROUND MOUNTS for level 90's ONLY?? Really? How stupid was that?? Level 90's have access to FLYING mounts by questing in the Great Divide OR through the Station Marketplace. Why on earth would they want to collect another GROUND mount? The ground mounts should have been made available to EVERYONE. Just my 2 cents on the whole thing. Lady Mallyce, Level 90 Warden on Everfrost Server __________________

07-17-2011, 11:20 AM	#103
tkia Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 577	Whilhelmina@Storms wrote: Last time, weren't you running towards the Ry'Gorr Griffon? Somewhere along the way, when you're close to the griffon the regen point given swaps to the other side of Ry'gorr keep (which is kinda a death trap for lowbies anyway) Last time I tested I did it by nose diving off the top of the spire, expecting to get the bridge option and it gave me the fort. That seems to suggest that the dividing point is somewhere in the middle of the spires themselves.

07-17-2011, 11:47 AM	#104
tkia Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 577	Mallyce@Everfrost wrote: I would have really liked to have seen a portal to the spire points OR a griffon you could take without first having to discover where it is in order to get there so little toons could actually GET to the event to participate Not needed. I've done it on a level 23 and am 100% confident I could do it on a level 1 if I could block disco exp. If you keep your eyes open there are perfectly safe paths there from both Thurgadin and the ring event drop point.

07-17-2011, 12:00 PM	#105
Gninja The Dev Gnome Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	tkia wrote: Whilhelmina@Storms wrote: The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was. I actually re-tested this late last week and the respawn point was moved. But every time I died on live this week I repopped in the old spot at the spires. Maybe that change didn't make it into the live build? Evac was always to the spire though. I will check on this and make sure before its turned on the correct files are on live, that could actually explain a lot of things. The event will be slowed down when it comes back up as well

07-17-2011, 12:05 PM	#106
Odys Server: Storms Guild: Eternitalis Rank: Cavalier Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,422	Coud you also tune the event so that it will last at least one week and up to 2 weeks. __________________

07-17-2011, 12:17 PM	#107
Eileah Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 352	At the [Removed for Content] ring I noticed that even after the named was killed there was still a group of mobs near the quest/merchant NPC's, could we get these added to the mobs that must be killed before the named is triggered so that they won't be skipped and left there killing anyone that goes near the NPC's? __________________ Eileah ToxxRoxx

07-17-2011, 01:49 PM	#108
romancediva Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Posts: 30	Eileah wrote: At the [Removed for Content] ring I noticed that even after the named was killed there was still a group of mobs near the quest/merchant NPC's ... Personally, I'd like to see the NPC's moved to a safe zone where you won't get attacked while you're trying to turn in a quest or buy something from the merchant. Leaving them within the area where you're going to be attacked is yet another example of extremely poor planning. __________________

07-17-2011, 02:05 PM	#109
msgnomer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 825	Mallyce@Everfrost wrote: Eileah wrote: At the [Removed for Content] ring I noticed that even after the named was killed there was still a group of mobs near the quest/merchant NPC's ... Personally, I'd like to see the NPC's moved to a safe zone where you won't get attacked while you're trying to turn in a quest or buy something from the merchant. Leaving them within the area where you're going to be attacked is yet another example of extremely poor planning. Everyone has their own view. I thought it was extremely good planning. It's been said this was an adventure event and making players have to keep their eyes open for a safe time to make their deliveries adds an adventure element to an otherwise routine task. Yes, there might be times you have to wait or come back later to get or complete the quest, but chances if you can't complete the quest in one spot at the moment, you can go do the quest for the other event. The gryphon at the ring will take you over to the spire area and you can make the reverse trip back to the ring with one gryphon stop. Both events can be done by low level characters, even the first time to the ring if you travel over land with your eyes open to avoid mobs. __________________ Please visit my dungeons by Hedvika on AB: Hall of Fame: Help Feed the Dragons! (No, you won't be the food!) Look for Poet's Dungeon: The Mad Poet's Release returning soon. ---------- Aluriel's chronicle of a scavanger hunt through 50 player decorated homes and guildhalls:.... http://photobucket.com/AlurielsAdventure

07-17-2011, 04:14 PM	#110
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	Gninja wrote: tkia wrote: Whilhelmina@Storms wrote: The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was. I actually re-tested this late last week and the respawn point was moved. But every time I died on live this week I repopped in the old spot at the spires. Maybe that change didn't make it into the live build? Evac was always to the spire though. I will check on this and make sure before its turned on the correct files are on live, that could actually explain a lot of things. The event will be slowed down when it comes back up as well Thank you, Gninja. __________________

07-17-2011, 07:53 PM	#111
carpe_caminus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 166	Gninja wrote: tkia wrote: Whilhelmina@Storms wrote: The respawn and evac point was said to be fixed (aka moved) several times but never was. I actually re-tested this late last week and the respawn point was moved. But every time I died on live this week I repopped in the old spot at the spires. Maybe that change didn't make it into the live build? Evac was always to the spire though. I will check on this and make sure before its turned on the correct files are on live, that could actually explain a lot of things. The event will be slowed down when it comes back up as well Awesome to hear. Now all I wanna know (if possible) is if those of us who killed Ulbrow will get credit for our efforts. I've noticed that the quests from the EW spires event have been removed from my journal somehow...

07-17-2011, 10:02 PM	#112
Lodrelhai Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,271	Eileah wrote: At the [Removed for Content] ring I noticed that even after the named was killed there was still a group of mobs near the quest/merchant NPC's, could we get these added to the mobs that must be killed before the named is triggered so that they won't be skipped and left there killing anyone that goes near the NPC's? I'd love to see this simply for the sake of getting credit for the event. I fought through three events with no credit. A few folks in OOC were kind enough to tell me I had to hit the named to get credit for the event; since I'd been in the back killing the mobs by the NPCs, I never even SAW the named before that. Because of course people swarmed the named as soon as it popped, to make sure they got a hit in before it died, so if you weren't part of that first swarm you were out of luck.

07-18-2011, 10:04 AM	#113
Lera Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 661	Mallyce@Everfrost wrote: 3 - (this one is pretty trivial compared to my first two, but still irks me to no end) GROUND MOUNTS for level 90's ONLY?? Really? How stupid was that?? Level 90's have access to FLYING mounts by questing in the Great Divide OR through the Station Marketplace. Why on earth would they want to collect another GROUND mount? The ground mounts should have been made available to EVERYONE. Ground mounts have a much higher ground speed than flying mounts, so there might be times when you want them for that speed boost, especially if you're grinding stuff in one particular area. And, more importantly, mounts are furniture! __________________

07-18-2011, 10:53 AM	#114
Bratface Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,227	Lera@Antonia Bayle wrote: Mallyce@Everfrost wrote: 3 - (this one is pretty trivial compared to my first two, but still irks me to no end) GROUND MOUNTS for level 90's ONLY?? Really? How stupid was that?? Level 90's have access to FLYING mounts by questing in the Great Divide OR through the Station Marketplace. Why on earth would they want to collect another GROUND mount? The ground mounts should have been made available to EVERYONE. Ground mounts have a much higher ground speed than flying mounts, so there might be times when you want them for that speed boost, especially if you're grinding stuff in one particular area. And, more importantly, mounts are furniture! They were not created for the event, they are from a raid zone merchant in Icy Keep and have been on that merchant since well before flying mounts. I agree that everything on the merchant should be for all levels, but they didn't go out of their way to exclude anyone, these mounts were just added to give an alternate method of aquiring them.

07-18-2011, 02:31 PM	#115
Gninja The Dev Gnome Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	A new version of the mounts have been created and should be hooked up to the merchant when the event turns back on. They are now usable by crafters and I have lowered the cost a bit.

07-18-2011, 02:38 PM	#116
Shiruki Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 33	carpe_caminus wrote: Awesome to hear. Now all I wanna know (if possible) is if those of us who killed Ulbrow will get credit for our efforts. I've noticed that the quests from the EW spires event have been removed from my journal somehow... Ditto. I get that you cannot plan for all contingencies, stuff happens. But it would be normal for participants to events to get credited and have rewards, all the more if it was something that you can only do once (talking about ubber mob killed at 99%). Especially since many, based on several posts in this thread, wouldn't be able to be there again : that you can still get everything with tokens from repeatable quest is good but, as said several times earlier (sorry if not quoting everyone guys) getting tokens WILL be an issue on the most populated servers since spires will be rebuilded awfully fast (even if you can still harvest tokens on the ground : it will only mean issues between players camping spots and all). Honestly, that complaints aren't heard and REALLY answered, would be the one thing to make me quite this game for good.

07-18-2011, 03:21 PM	#117
Delimant Server: Butcherblock Guild: Legacy Rank: Primary Raiders Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 45	It would be insanely hard time consuming to go back and try to figure out who killed him during each interval during each event. It would require parsing through many gigs worth of log files, then manually checking and updating each person. Not really worth it. Would be best just to make the quest last a bit longer so everyone has a chance at it.

07-18-2011, 03:34 PM	#118
Senya Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Ironforge Exchange Posts: 1,754	Time consuming or not it should happen. Those players done the event and should not be cheated out of their rewards because of a bug. I was not there, so it doesn't effect me either way, but SOE should make it right. I'm sure that they have some way of filtering logs by time, date, loc, server, mob name, player name, or any number of other things. __________________ Click image for a list of my completed projects.

07-18-2011, 04:53 PM	#119
carpe_caminus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 166	Delimant@Butcherblock wrote: It would be insanely hard time consuming to go back and try to figure out who killed him during each interval during each event. It would require parsing through many gigs worth of log files, then manually checking and updating each person. Not really worth it. Would be best just to make the quest last a bit longer so everyone has a chance at it. You don't seem to understand the situation exactly. The fight we're asking to be rewarded for is a once per server fight. It dies, then it's gone. On AB, a group of people (about 2 raids worth give or take) killed the final x4 mob for the spires. A linked trash mob bugged and eventually despawned, we didn't get credit, and the encounter was unable to respawn. This isn't some repeatable quest we're talking about. They'd have to parse through one encounter log per server (although I hear on at least one other server there was a second fight in a different EW instance for them, which also bugged identically). They just need to see who got an attack in on the encounter, and flag their quest complete. Honestly that wouldn't be that "insanely time consuming". There was just one spawn, one kill, per server. They've done similar in the past, so this wouldn't be something unheard of. "Not really worth it" is something you can say rather easily if you weren't online when the once-in-a-lifetime spawn occurred. To anyone there... it's beyond worth it. Extending the quest in this case would be irrelevant. Then you'd have those folks having to camp the spires day and night hoping to be there at just the right moment... as if nobody there had any real-life daily schedules to worry about. The simple fact is we were lucky enough to be there when it was possible to spawn the named, and we killed it. We got screwed out of an update due to a bug, but should be credited for our accomplishment. Not only would that extra effort required to make that happen be worth it, but it would be GREATLY appreciated. Personally, it's that ability to make right by your customers that makes me want to continue giving my business to a company. SOE has done that in the past, and all I can hope is they'll rise to the occasion this time too.

07-18-2011, 05:00 PM	#120
Iskandar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 1,047	Would leaving the two repatable quests active after the event ends be an acceptable idea? It's my understanding that, once the event reaches 100% and is completed, everything goes away except for the vendor and the ground-spawn tokens (which, so far, can easily be dominated by just two or three harvesters). The repeatable quests would at least give everyone who is interested a reliable method of gaining more tokens. Alternately, would it be possible to have the ground-spawn tokens spawn zone-wide once the event ends? This would allow even low-level toons to harvest from safe areas, and generally just give everyone a fair chance at some of the spawns. At the very least, I'm glad to hear the progress on CB will be bumped down to 50%... we had just broken 50 on the dragonring, and the spire was at 89 (or more) when the event was taken down... both would have been finished before most of the server was even home from work, easily. This kinda reminds me of the first such event, the griffon tower construction, which started and finished before I got home from work (and I'm on the East coast... it was still mid-afternoon in California!)