Information regarding Update 42!

[Gladiia]

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

Kel wrote:

Grimwell wrote:

A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:

1. The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.
2. The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.

I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?

You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?

Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding

The false statement regarding the update being today was made before january 29th. 

[Equinon]

OMG........easy way out Sony.......Listen up!!!

Post the release date of the LU to be MAY 20, 2008......that gives you a few more months!!!  Expectations are set for MAY now Weeee

WHEN and IF you get everything set and decide to release on say, April 3, 2008...you can post that info like 2 days beforehand and say something like "Our crew has been working extra hard to get our players this LU BEFORE the actaul scheduled date, Kudos to our crew!"

OMG........So much fun there Weeee

Yeah, I know.......won't work, but the idea was funny as all get out  LOL

[Vonotar]

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

Kel wrote:

Grimwell wrote:

A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:

1. The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.
2. The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.

I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?

You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?

Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding

The false statement regarding the update being today was made before january 29th. 

Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.

[Gladiia]

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

Kel wrote:

Grimwell wrote:

A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:

1. The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.
2. The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.

I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?

You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?

Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding

The false statement regarding the update being today was made before january 29th. 

Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.

Misread it the first time.  Reread it.  nvm.  I thought it said 'the date is not set in stone'  when it said 'the date was not then set in stone.'

Ok, well, my mistake.

(Im still not mad at ya Grim...but I AM very anxious to see this update!)  I'll get mad at the dog instead (that's legal, right?)

[Lader]

wasnt it bruce that said late january in an interview? not sure.

and i would rather them release the content so we could test it ourselves. We all know the horrible job soe does at testing, and were going to end up pointing to the fixes anyway. I mean, we did this with claymore, had to pm the devs every step of the way to tell them where to fix what. No difference here.

[Jbrawn26]

Calthine wrote:

Poor Gnobrin.  He's really in a darned if you do, darned if you don't situation.I'd think everyone would know by now that sometimes QA finds something and holds updates.  Furthermore, the Epics don't seem to have been tested publicly, so I'm surprised that anyone is complaining that extra time is being taken.Seriously.  We can have:a) a "soft date" for the update that gets delayed and a note that it's not going out todayb) a hard date where they push things out no matter what and spend the next four weeks bug fixingc) no communication at allSeriously people, ease up. 

I agree 100%!  In the other thread people have been crying all day about no communication and now they're whining that we have some.......it's a GAME people!  It's meant to be FUN ... crap happens just like in the real world and who wants a release that's full of bugs?

[Rainmare]

Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?

[Kel]

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?

Actually, every time someone posted in this thread, a machine shot a needle into the dogs face.

[Gladiia]

Kel wrote:

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?

Actually, every time someone posted in this thread, a machine shot a needle into the dogs face.

I actually shuddered when I read that.

[Vonotar]

Jbrawn26 wrote:

who wants a release that's full of bugs?

Nobody, so please 'ease up' on the idea that people want the LU live now regardless of bugs.Other than a small minority (who are complaining that the Epic's should have been in RoK anyway) I'm sure most people just want Sony to communicate better in the future, and that means telling us stuff in advance.When the 'big man' says the LU is gonna slide a couple of days, tell us then, not two hours after everybody expected it to be live.  Sure 'last minute' things happen, but two hours after it was expected (by the players at least) to go live isn't a last minute decision, 1 minute before live is last minute, this was 120 minutes after expected live.

[Gungo]

The real funny thing about all this is that the people crying are going to get LESS communication from SOE about tentative patch dates because i can garauntee that the french community rep and whomever else will never post another tentative date again.

Really if i was a community rep my next response to someone who is askign when a LU is TENTATIVELY scheduled will be "Look at the network status page".

If your lucky you will get the LU notice the night before.

[Slacka]

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

Kel wrote:

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?

Actually, every time someone posted in this thread, a machine shot a needle into the dogs face.

I actually shuddered when I read that.

Actualy i heard thats the lack of communication tally chart. each time theres a failure to inform the community of something another needle gets added. (Thats the 3rd dog this year, seems they keep running out of space)

All tthis comes down to is frustration at the fact we were only told the LU does not hapen now AFTER people expected it to go live. there are a lot of folks out there booked precious time off work to alow us to enjoy this new content, myself included. i now have a few days off that are totally wasted and i wont be able to get back for whenever they really do go live (was it a typo? did that french dev mean Feb 5th 2009?).

[Grimwell]

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?

Yup. Ugly eh? Poor thing.RE: Deleting the note about the 5th.That post didn't even make it outside of the first working day before it was removed. It was posted, one of the people who was working on the update saw it and asked us to remove it, and since it hadn't even been there for more than an hour, it was removed (as inaccurate data). So it didn't last long, but it lasted long enough.One of the rules of the Internet is that once you post it, it's out there -- and we clearly forgot that one with this; but it wasn't deleted today, or this week, and wasn't in response to any of this. It was in attempt to prevent people from thinking that the 5th was the 'absolutely sure to happen' date. Yes, going forward we will just correct the date in the thread in which it was posted (not edit and replace, but post to clarify). That noted, I'd ask that everyone watch the 'News and Announcements' forum for official release dates on updates. That's going to be the first place we go to share the date; whenever it is (for any update).

[Vonotar]

?I saw it over the weekend

[Pvpmedics]

All of you crack me up, no mater what SoE does you will find somthing to complain about. If they where to release the update today and somthing was wrong you would all sit here and comment on how poorly SoE did and should have put it in test longer. If they dont put it out soon enough you complain its taking to long. Maybe today was the date, and somone was on test and noticed somthing huge that was wrong, they decide to take another week or two to make this update come out smooth. 

Either way all of you will find somthing to complain about!!! Just let them do there job and not criticize them, so they can make an update that has few bugs in it.

[Snowdonia]

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:?I saw it over the weekendQuoted by someone else maybe?That is SERIOUSLY too many needles to be from a single porcupine isn't it? I mean, that dog doesn't just have em on his face but his legs and back as well. He woulda had to find an entire nest of them or something?

[FininCuthalion]

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

?I saw it over the weekend

Well, and I see (oh, only tentative) a new president sometime (well, just vaguely tentative) in the future my coffee grounds

[Vonotar]

Perigrine@Nagafen wrote:

All of you crack me up, no mater what SoE does you will find somthing to complain about. If they where to release the update today and somthing was wrong you would all sit here and comment on how poorly SoE did and should have put it in test longer. If they dont put it out soon enough you complain its taking to long. Maybe today was the date, and somone was on test and noticed somthing huge that was wrong, they decide to take another week or two to make this update come out smooth. 

Either way all of you will find somthing to complain about!!! Just let them do there job and not criticize them, so they can make an update that has few bugs in it.

Here we go again...If it needs more time to fix we don't mindIt's telling us 2 hours after we expected it to go live.It's like the Pizza company calling you back 40 minutes after you placed the order to tell you it won't arrive in 20 minutes... you already know... you just want to know when your pizza is gonna arrive, any clue at all would be nice... but instead your told deadlines change and that particular phone rep should not have promised 20 minutes... blah blah blah excuses excuses, you get off the phone realising that you still don't know when your pizza is gonna turn up, you just know your starving!Get the picture now?They can delay until 2009 if they want, just don't leave us hanging on waiting for information.

[Vendolyn]

Did you read what Grimwell said?  They tried to do damage control, but said it wasn't enough.  The speculation of it released on the 5th was removed in under an hour, but, as he said it was out there.I guess it's like they say, arguing on the internet and all...

[Kel]

Vendolyn@Unrest wrote:

Did you read what Grimwell said?  They tried to do damage control, but said it wasn't enough.  The speculation of it released on the 5th was removed in under an hour, but, as he said it was out there.I guess it's like they say, arguing on the internet and all...

Well- Despite what Grim said, it took much longer than an hour for them to delete it. I know for a fact that I saw it several hours after it had been linked on EQ2Flames.It was probably less than an hour after it was *reported*, and I appreciate where Grim is coming from, but still- They knew the community en masse believed the GU was going live today. Anything said is covering their own [I cannot control my vocabulary] for what was done and knowing that most players will not do anything over what happened.(Not that I don't fully understand how it could have happened, but still.)[Edit-Although, I am intensely curious as to why they ignore the issue that they either A.) KNEW the playerbase was expecting GU42 today. or B.) Don't know ANYTHING of what the playerbase is talking about in the least. Because it's not like this hasn't been mentioned repetitively in pretty much every area since it became common 'knowledge']

[Vonotar]

Vendolyn@Unrest wrote:

Did you read what Grimwell said?  They tried to do damage control, but said it wasn't enough.  The speculation of it released on the 5th was removed in under an hour, but, as he said it was out there.I guess it's like they say, arguing on the internet and all...

The hour I doubt, as I personally found the French post a day or so after it was posted.I agree that it wasn't enough, when everybody started chattering about Feb 5th (and we're talking in these forums which are moderated by Grimwell and his team, not the internet) a statement should have been made, somewhere prominent like the LU preview perhaps?Anyway I'm done arguing for the day, I'm off to bed.If you don't get it by now you never will.

[L]

I deem this conspiracy theory insignificant and lacking in merit!

[Hellswrath]

I recommend to everyone who is feeling animated on this issue to calm down. Yes, we were expecting the LU today. Yes, a SOE rep posted it. However, it was already explained that it was removed and the information has been corrected as best as possible. No one will argue that they probably should have corrected the information instead of just deleting it. Hopefully the lesson has been learned. However, harping on it further is entirely unnecessary.

[Spyderbite]

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Here we go again...

No not "we".. you...They already made it clear that an inaccurate announcement was released and removed within an hour. All the tin foil hat bearers chose to take it as gospel.There is no ETA.. period. You are not entitled to an update or even a hint. An official announcement will take place in the Official Announcements forum. Till then you're arguing about a "Preview".Distracts all the conspiracy theorists.. "OH! look.. another Star Wars is coming out!"There.. that should keep 'em distracted for a few weeks.

[Kel]

Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Here we go again...

No not "we".. you...They already made it clear that an inaccurate announcement was released and removed within an hour. All the tin foil hat bearers chose to take it as gospel.There is no ETA.. period. You are not entitled to an update or even a hint. An official announcement will take place in the Official Announcements forum. Till then you're arguing about a "Preview".Distracts all the conspiracy theorists.. "OH! look.. another Star Wars is coming out!"There.. that should keep 'em distracted for a few weeks. " />

We've already seen it. Jar Jar becomes the next Darth. (Yes, Darth Binks.)

[Vendolyn]

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

If you don't get it by now you never will.

Nah, I get it...black helicopters!Still doesn't change the big plans I made for today, hanging out with some friends after work and all.

[Jessikka]

I look at things as such...

 Everyone (well at least a great marjority of the playerbase) was expecting 42 to be rolled out today. Without a real statement saying that it wasn't by another one of the devs after it was made, people took it to heart.

With this being pushed back even farther, you are basically stalling out those in top tier guilds waiting because they need the epic weapons to kill trak or whatever.

If the Epics weren't going to come out til this long after release, then I think a lil coding should have been done to down it to where trak could have been killable with someone without their epics. But as of now, all you're doing is basically doing a "Neener neener" from a 30 ft. slick stone wall at people trying to get to ya.

Hmm Monty Python comes to mind there. Anyone got a holy hand grenade?

[Valsehna]

Spoof Warning! 

Ordinary Pirate: "Feb. 5th!? [Removed for Content] to the depths whatever man what thought of "Feb 5th!".

Very Famous Pirate: "That would be the French. "

It's the Great French Rep Scandal! Tee heee!

[Illmarr]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:

The real funny thing about all this is that the people crying are going to get LESS communication from SOE about tentative patch dates because i can garauntee that the french community rep and whomever else will never post another tentative date again.

Really if i was a community rep my next response to someone who is askign when a LU is TENTATIVELY scheduled will be "Look at the network status page".

If your lucky you will get the LU notice the night before.

So true, and all those people would be getting exactly what they deserve

[demonwr]

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

Kel wrote:

Grimwell wrote:

A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:

1. The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.
2. The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.

I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?

You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?

Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding

The false statement regarding the update being today was made before january 29th. 

Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.

Misread it the first time.  Reread it.  nvm.  I thought it said 'the date is not set in stone'  when it said 'the date was not then set in stone.'

Ok, well, my mistake.

(Im still not mad at ya Grim...but I AM very anxious to see this update!)  I'll get mad at the dog instead (that's legal, right?)

wonder how mant times we can put a box in a box in a box. realy looking forward to update btw when was it agin?