To all the monks who think were trying to get you nerfed. - Page 3

Harpax · 03-28-2006, 09:30 PM

/yawn

DarkMirrax · 03-28-2006, 09:30 PM

TheEasternKing wrote:
well i guess i owe all you brawlers and apology
because it seems the general consensus round here is :
1 you should be able to tank raid content as well as a guard does
/ Yup we should and why not ? we are tanks after all
2 you should be better in a group than a guard with your higher dps and better utlility
/ We are a better tank in a group grind against whites, yellows you own on oranges . TBH im happy with the xp grouping side of things
3 you should be better than a guard at solo'ing content as well again with your higher dps and utility
/What utilty ? F/D ?? its great for harvesting !!!!!!!!!!
Far be it from me to have an issue with that i wish you well with your endevours.
but i guess thereis no need for plate tanks as you can tank as well as us you out dps us by a large margin and your uber solo'ers as well
and as for the people calling me an idiot / [Removed for Content] / stupid / foolish / dont know how to play my plate tank or my brawler .....i guess i need to accept the list above as completly acceptable and ill stop being all of them things in all of your eyes.
have fun everyone ill not waste my time with people who so firmly have a grasp of class balance and equality any longer.

That is the whole point here , we want to be able to tank as equal as you . There is no way that any Brawler can tank as good as a plate tank period . Guards are the best for doing this why ? you have the best taunts in the game and to go with it you have the best mitigation so you have no need for DPS because you TANK . Have you seen the utility of the brawler classes ? we have nothing to bring to a group other than a dps/haste buff and thats it you get far more than we do ... compared to a brawler , we get aviodance which granted works great on blues , whites and yellows but oranges BLAM dead . we get half the mitigation and crappy taunts , having played a monk you must know that the only way a brawler can keep aggro is by DPS hence why we have superior DPS we proc hate on damage , everything a guardian does it based on hate gain all the damage a brawler does is for hate gain. We are the same branch of class (warriors) and we all perform the same job to a different degree.

Message Edited by DarkMirrax on 03-28-200604:34 PM

Shankonia · 03-28-2006, 11:37 PM

TheEasternKing wrote:
well i guess i owe all you brawlers and apology
because it seems the general consensus round here is :
1 you should be able to tank raid content as well as a guard does
I don't want to do it better, but on solo encounters I would like the ability to do it just as well or else there isn't really any reason for me to even be in the raid.
2 you should be better in a group than a guard with your higher dps and better utlility
It's not about being better than a Guard. It'a about being an option to tank. I can tank most everything now in groups, whereas before I could not.
3 you should be better than a guard at solo'ing content as well again with your higher dps and utility
Yes, I should be better. You are the better tank therefore I am the better soloer. Make Guards better soloers, then make Brawlers better tanks....granted, if that were the case I would've rolled a Guard.
Far be it from me to have an issue with that i wish you well with your endevours.
but i guess thereis no need for plate tanks as you can tank as well as us you out dps us by a large margin and your uber solo'ers as well
If it were not for a plate tank, I would not be 1/2 the monk I am. Plates get us to the level of being able to tank at the level in which a tank should be able to tank. Why don't you look at the Highest Hit chart and see how many brawlers tanked Rahotep.
Ne Plus Ultra, the most successful raid guild worldwide is Monkless. Back when Ascendence was on top, they didn't have a brawler either. No need huh? Don't go there man.
and as for the people calling me an idiot / [Removed for Content] / stupid / foolish / dont know how to play my plate tank or my brawler .....i guess i need to accept the list above as completly acceptable and ill stop being all of them things in all of your eyes.
Level your monk to 70, gear him up equally, tank the same encounters with the exact same group and then i'll accept your sarcasm.
have fun everyone ill not waste my time with people who so firmly have a grasp of class balance and equality any longer.

lillin · 03-28-2006, 11:58 PM

This is stupid and the fact it keeps floating around is even dumber.

If monks are so over powered and unbalanced, then please go play one. Get up to 70 tank this and that, try solo'n nameds of such and such levels. Then after you have done this, go do the same with what ever class is your favorite. Compare the two and truely look at all the pro's and cons of both classes.

If you honestly do this, with detailed logs of fights/ gear equiped / people in group/ potions used / aa's chosen / skills / method of attacks / ect. And do the same on the other class, then maybe people will take you seriously maybe even your godly devs. Till then no one will take you seriously.

You are trolling. You are enciting unrest amonst the boards. You are belittling other players with your comments. That is 3 strikes against the forum rules. Your fighting will get put to a fast halt if ya keep it up and get banned for it.

Marbus · 03-30-2006, 01:11 AM

I'm not 70 so I can't go there but I can say this...

I initially rolled a Guardian, played him for about a month and was lovin' him. No one in my small guild had a guardian so I was unique. Since I have 2 young children I rarely get much time online so I usually just solo as I don't want to start a group only to leave 20 minutes later. After about a month the live update happend and I noticed everything slow down to a halt... I had been leveling doing quests in Splitpaw... before I could to the solo test all the way to the end, then I couldn't. I use to be able to viably solo stuff higher than me with ease, I still could but it took twice as long and I was almost totally out of power by the end of fight. This was not due to equipment as I have / had full Imbued Steel with an Imbued Fir Axe and Legendary Shield as well... when I inspect other Guards 7 levels higher or more I had more AC and often better stats... yet I couldn't viably play my class anymore solo...

Grouping was a totally different animal though. As I said I didn't group often but when I did I always instantly added to everyone's friends list and usually hear "you are the best tank I've ever grouped with." I was proud that I could go to Stormhold with all mages and a warden and no one ever got touched but me... Guardians are excellent tanks... just not a for me anymore.

So I wanted a change as I was disgusted with the change, I rolled an Inquisitor / Dominatrix and had a lot of fun for a few months leveling her up... She's a great healer and probably better than the guardian at soloing, takes about as long to kill but not nearly as risky... Healers have always been my secondaries though so I started getting bored.

My son who plays with me from time to time has a Paladin which is what I played in EQ1, DoAC and WoW (well a Shaman), I didn't like being a Ranger so I thought... what the @#$%, I'll roll a monk.

I rolled a Kerra monk about a month ago and even with my low playtime I'm at 23 already. It took like 5 days to get the Inq to 25, 12 days to get the Guardian to 29 and I'm at 23 with the monk and only 1 day played. My monk is a soloing machine, I can kill blues and whites all days long w/o really resting, just the 10 seconds left on my Thrust kick timer befor I can engage another. I have also been able to tank a little in BB and Stormhold, not like I could with the guardian but enough to get by with a group if they would listen and let me make sure I had sufficent aggro before they attacked.

Again, I'm not 50 or 70 but I've played a Guardian and a Monk into the mide 20s now and I can tell you that they are both good classes if played correctly, just depends on what you want to do. I would love to have my Guardian do have the DPS of the monk and I would play him or the monk be able to get half of my Guard's mitigation... but then they wouldn't be different classes now would they?

Play to have fun, if you don't like what you are playing, roll something else or try a different game... and remember it is just a game SMILEY

Cheers!

Marb

superdave · 03-30-2006, 03:27 AM

this is getting old.

shaolen · 03-30-2006, 09:31 PM

Brothers and Sisters below is an edit of he really meant to say:

TheEasternKing wrote:
well i guess i owe all you brawlers and apology
1 you should be able to tank raid content as well as a guard does
2 you should be better in a group than a guard
3 you should be better than a guard at solo'ing content
i wish you well with your endevours.
you out dps us by a large margin and your uber solo'ers as well
me an idiot / [Removed for Content] / stupid / foolish / dont know how to play my plate tank or my brawler
have fun everyone

I am sorry but I couldn't resist. For those whom I offend, I sincerely apologize :smileywink:

03-28-2006, 09:30 PM	#62
DarkMirrax Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,238	TheEasternKing wrote: well i guess i owe all you brawlers and apology because it seems the general consensus round here is : 1 you should be able to tank raid content as well as a guard does / Yup we should and why not ? we are tanks after all 2 you should be better in a group than a guard with your higher dps and better utlility / We are a better tank in a group grind against whites, yellows you own on oranges . TBH im happy with the xp grouping side of things 3 you should be better than a guard at solo'ing content as well again with your higher dps and utility /What utilty ? F/D ?? its great for harvesting !!!!!!!!!! Far be it from me to have an issue with that i wish you well with your endevours. but i guess thereis no need for plate tanks as you can tank as well as us you out dps us by a large margin and your uber solo'ers as well and as for the people calling me an idiot / [Removed for Content] / stupid / foolish / dont know how to play my plate tank or my brawler .....i guess i need to accept the list above as completly acceptable and ill stop being all of them things in all of your eyes. have fun everyone ill not waste my time with people who so firmly have a grasp of class balance and equality any longer. That is the whole point here , we want to be able to tank as equal as you . There is no way that any Brawler can tank as good as a plate tank period . Guards are the best for doing this why ? you have the best taunts in the game and to go with it you have the best mitigation so you have no need for DPS because you TANK . Have you seen the utility of the brawler classes ? we have nothing to bring to a group other than a dps/haste buff and thats it you get far more than we do ... compared to a brawler , we get aviodance which granted works great on blues , whites and yellows but oranges BLAM dead . we get half the mitigation and crappy taunts , having played a monk you must know that the only way a brawler can keep aggro is by DPS hence why we have superior DPS we proc hate on damage , everything a guardian does it based on hate gain all the damage a brawler does is for hate gain. We are the same branch of class (warriors) and we all perform the same job to a different degree. Message Edited by DarkMirrax on 03-28-200604:34 PM __________________ Q - Named and epics get + to hit which makes avoidance tanking suck. A- Yes they do, and yes it does =========================== Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard Game Designer, EverQuest II ... Whats Amazing Reflexes ?? ....... ===========================

03-28-2006, 11:37 PM	#63
Shankonia Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 231	TheEasternKing wrote: well i guess i owe all you brawlers and apology because it seems the general consensus round here is : 1 you should be able to tank raid content as well as a guard does I don't want to do it better, but on solo encounters I would like the ability to do it just as well or else there isn't really any reason for me to even be in the raid. 2 you should be better in a group than a guard with your higher dps and better utlility It's not about being better than a Guard. It'a about being an option to tank. I can tank most everything now in groups, whereas before I could not. 3 you should be better than a guard at solo'ing content as well again with your higher dps and utility Yes, I should be better. You are the better tank therefore I am the better soloer. Make Guards better soloers, then make Brawlers better tanks....granted, if that were the case I would've rolled a Guard. Far be it from me to have an issue with that i wish you well with your endevours. but i guess thereis no need for plate tanks as you can tank as well as us you out dps us by a large margin and your uber solo'ers as well If it were not for a plate tank, I would not be 1/2 the monk I am. Plates get us to the level of being able to tank at the level in which a tank should be able to tank. Why don't you look at the Highest Hit chart and see how many brawlers tanked Rahotep. Ne Plus Ultra, the most successful raid guild worldwide is Monkless. Back when Ascendence was on top, they didn't have a brawler either. No need huh? Don't go there man. and as for the people calling me an idiot / [Removed for Content] / stupid / foolish / dont know how to play my plate tank or my brawler .....i guess i need to accept the list above as completly acceptable and ill stop being all of them things in all of your eyes. Level your monk to 70, gear him up equally, tank the same encounters with the exact same group and then i'll accept your sarcasm. have fun everyone ill not waste my time with people who so firmly have a grasp of class balance and equality any longer.

03-30-2006, 01:11 AM	#65
Marbus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11	I'm not 70 so I can't go there but I can say this... I initially rolled a Guardian, played him for about a month and was lovin' him. No one in my small guild had a guardian so I was unique. Since I have 2 young children I rarely get much time online so I usually just solo as I don't want to start a group only to leave 20 minutes later. After about a month the live update happend and I noticed everything slow down to a halt... I had been leveling doing quests in Splitpaw... before I could to the solo test all the way to the end, then I couldn't. I use to be able to viably solo stuff higher than me with ease, I still could but it took twice as long and I was almost totally out of power by the end of fight. This was not due to equipment as I have / had full Imbued Steel with an Imbued Fir Axe and Legendary Shield as well... when I inspect other Guards 7 levels higher or more I had more AC and often better stats... yet I couldn't viably play my class anymore solo... Grouping was a totally different animal though. As I said I didn't group often but when I did I always instantly added to everyone's friends list and usually hear "you are the best tank I've ever grouped with." I was proud that I could go to Stormhold with all mages and a warden and no one ever got touched but me... Guardians are excellent tanks... just not a for me anymore. So I wanted a change as I was disgusted with the change, I rolled an Inquisitor / Dominatrix and had a lot of fun for a few months leveling her up... She's a great healer and probably better than the guardian at soloing, takes about as long to kill but not nearly as risky... Healers have always been my secondaries though so I started getting bored. My son who plays with me from time to time has a Paladin which is what I played in EQ1, DoAC and WoW (well a Shaman), I didn't like being a Ranger so I thought... what the @#$%, I'll roll a monk. I rolled a Kerra monk about a month ago and even with my low playtime I'm at 23 already. It took like 5 days to get the Inq to 25, 12 days to get the Guardian to 29 and I'm at 23 with the monk and only 1 day played. My monk is a soloing machine, I can kill blues and whites all days long w/o really resting, just the 10 seconds left on my Thrust kick timer befor I can engage another. I have also been able to tank a little in BB and Stormhold, not like I could with the guardian but enough to get by with a group if they would listen and let me make sure I had sufficent aggro before they attacked. Again, I'm not 50 or 70 but I've played a Guardian and a Monk into the mide 20s now and I can tell you that they are both good classes if played correctly, just depends on what you want to do. I would love to have my Guardian do have the DPS of the monk and I would play him or the monk be able to get half of my Guard's mitigation... but then they wouldn't be different classes now would they? Play to have fun, if you don't like what you are playing, roll something else or try a different game... and remember it is just a game Cheers! Marb __________________

03-30-2006, 09:31 PM	#67
shaolen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 129	Brothers and Sisters below is an edit of he really meant to say: TheEasternKing wrote: well i guess i owe all you brawlers and apology 1 you should be able to tank raid content as well as a guard does 2 you should be better in a group than a guard 3 you should be better than a guard at solo'ing content i wish you well with your endevours. you out dps us by a large margin and your uber solo'ers as well me an idiot / [Removed for Content] / stupid / foolish / dont know how to play my plate tank or my brawler have fun everyone I am sorry but I couldn't resist. For those whom I offend, I sincerely apologize :smileywink: __________________

03-28-2006, 09:30 PM	#61
Harpax Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 225	/yawn

03-28-2006, 11:58 PM	#64
lillin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 79	This is stupid and the fact it keeps floating around is even dumber. If monks are so over powered and unbalanced, then please go play one. Get up to 70 tank this and that, try solo'n nameds of such and such levels. Then after you have done this, go do the same with what ever class is your favorite. Compare the two and truely look at all the pro's and cons of both classes. If you honestly do this, with detailed logs of fights/ gear equiped / people in group/ potions used / aa's chosen / skills / method of attacks / ect. And do the same on the other class, then maybe people will take you seriously maybe even your godly devs. Till then no one will take you seriously. You are trolling. You are enciting unrest amonst the boards. You are belittling other players with your comments. That is 3 strikes against the forum rules. Your fighting will get put to a fast halt if ya keep it up and get banned for it.

03-30-2006, 03:27 AM	#66
superdave Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 95	this is getting old.