Official ProSiebenSat.1 is the Exclusive Partner of SOE Europe Announcement Feedback Thread - Page 3

Avirodar · 01-15-2012, 01:14 AM

Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:

Kryvak@Everfrost wrote:
Whatever they do, I really doubt SOE is dumb enough to try and herd European players into the European servers only, that's just a terrible idea.
Never underestimate the power of dumb

Any person playing from Europe should ask themselves these two questions :1) Would ProSiebenSat.1 sign up to a deal where they publish and market EQ2 in the European market, but leave a wide open door for European customers to completely bypass them (Alaplaya/ProSiebenSat.1), by going directly to the USA offerings? Would this not compromise the planned agreement, and profit splits between the two companies (SOE and PSS.1)? It would severely complicate it at the very least... You should investigate ProSiebenSat.1's history with videogame acquisitions for some potential insight at to PSS.1's general business nature.2) Do you think SOE cares more about what they have now (existing Euro playerbase), or what they hope to get as a result of this deal (potentially bigger/new Euro playerbase)?Until SOE decides it is time to tell the peons customers what is happening, the above two questions is something Euro players should give due consideration.

Chaotico · 01-15-2012, 07:28 AM

if my characters end up transferred out of my current international guild on a US Server and brought to a german server I kill my characters and any ANY and all ideas of EVER even just reading anything SOE has to offer...

seriously, open up as many new EQ2 servers you want ProSieben and get customers as many as you want for them, I even hope that localisation fantatics move there, but please, no scrap that no please, leave those of us who intentionally decided for an international enviroment alone...

Ubisoft SHOULD have tought something to SOE. Any accounting over a german subsidary of a bad TV station... bollocks...

%$§"!!germans..

dawy · 01-15-2012, 08:51 AM

Good to see that SOE treats its euro customers with its usual contempt disgraceful that no sort of FAQ is up,this should have been up along with the annoucement,but no.

Sorry but this isnt the way to treat customers.

Griffildur · 01-16-2012, 07:38 AM

Enough is enough, SOE post the details of the contract so we know what happens to the European servers and players, both on them and on the US ones.

This is beyond ridiculous already. It should have been done as part of the initial announcement.

Gladiolus · 01-16-2012, 09:40 AM

Avirodar@Oasis wrote:

Any person playing from Europe should ask themselves these two questions :

Asking questions of ourselves and coming up with possible answers only produces more speculation. The sensible thing would be for SOE to instead give information.

Jazzia · 01-16-2012, 10:09 AM

If they blocked Euros from playing on US servers, what would happen to PvP ? As some may know, there's only one PvP server left and that is located in the US. And there are LOTS of Euros playing on Naggy ......

I usually don't resort to threats, but I'd REALLY have to rethink my membership here if I couldn't play on PvP anymore. It's not my primary server but I don't want to miss it !

Raknid · 01-16-2012, 01:07 PM

Going on FOUR days now...ZERO information from SOE. I would "lol," but it is just too sad a situation to make light of it.

Pretty sad that our associate producer can take the time to be a "cheerleader" for SC items but can't seem to post here about this significant issue.

I was going to use the term that many people refer to SC items as followed by an -er....but thought better of it. SMILEY

Banedon_Toran · 01-16-2012, 01:37 PM

Still 8.30am on a Monday morning is SoE-land, so I'll give them a little longer yet...

I would hope they quickly make a statement to quash any rumours about imposing regional lockouts.

Griffildur · 01-16-2012, 04:00 PM

Still waiting on the details ...

Te'ana · 01-16-2012, 04:10 PM

Today, Monday January 16, is a holiday in the US (Martin Luther King, Jr's Birthday). So don't hold your breath just yet.

Gladiolus · 01-17-2012, 12:04 AM

Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:

Today, Monday January 16, is a holiday in the US (Martin Luther King, Jr's Birthday). So don't hold your breath just yet.

Presumably they have calendars at SOE too, and knew it was going to be a long weekend. For that matter, presumably they knew why they were going to Germany and what they intended to do when they got there. In any normal business, a document clarifying the position of affected customers would have been prepared before the time and left with an appropriate person to post in the proper place at the right time.

Why does it feel like the entire European community has been put on /ignore?

Te'ana · 01-17-2012, 02:22 AM

I agree, they know what is what. Their silence says a lot and it is not very positive. As many posters have noted, this effects many people. People who are in the UK and Europe and the US, as well as other parts of the globe. Using this forum for us to let off steam is not a reasonable response to legitimate concerns. We deserve prompt answers to our questions.

Griffildur · 01-17-2012, 11:29 AM

I assume we'll find out after there is this big downtime, when servers are moved over, and people region locked.

We'll login in one day and everything will be changed and there will be a new thread asking how we like it where no red name will ever post again.

General_Info · 01-17-2012, 12:29 PM

Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:

I agree, they know what is what. Their silence says a lot and it is not very positive. As many posters have noted, this effects many people. People who are in the UK and Europe and the US, as well as other parts of the globe. Using this forum for us to let off steam is not a reasonable response to legitimate concerns. We deserve prompt answers to our questions.

If i were to hazard a guess i'd say they annouced it ASAP before working out all the details it would certainly explain their silence even looking on the other forums they aren't saying much.

Rijacki · 01-17-2012, 12:35 PM

General_Info wrote:

Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:
I agree, they know what is what. Their silence says a lot and it is not very positive. As many posters have noted, this effects many people. People who are in the UK and Europe and the US, as well as other parts of the globe. Using this forum for us to let off steam is not a reasonable response to legitimate concerns. We deserve prompt answers to our questions.
If i were to hazard a guess i'd say they annouced it ASAP before working out all the details it would certainly explain their silence even looking on the other forums they aren't saying much.

My guess is that they were 'forced' to put out the announcements to players since Smed tweeted about it and various gaming news sites were picking it up and someone (wise) thought it would be good to put out an official announcement to players because of that. In other words, my guess is that Smed tweeted before they were ready to announce it with any details and FAQ about what it means to the players.

Avirodar · 01-17-2012, 01:23 PM

Rijacki wrote:

General_Info wrote:
Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:
I agree, they know what is what. Their silence says a lot and it is not very positive. As many posters have noted, this effects many people. People who are in the UK and Europe and the US, as well as other parts of the globe. Using this forum for us to let off steam is not a reasonable response to legitimate concerns. We deserve prompt answers to our questions.
If i were to hazard a guess i'd say they annouced it ASAP before working out all the details it would certainly explain their silence even looking on the other forums they aren't saying much.
My guess is that they were 'forced' to put out the announcements to players since Smed tweeted about it and various gaming news sites were picking it up and someone (wise) thought it would be good to put out an official announcement to players because of that. In other words, my guess is that Smed tweeted before they were ready to announce it with any details and FAQ about what it means to the players.

So you're saying that your "guess" is Smed tweeted it before anyone at SOE knew enough about what was going on, to provide remotely meaningful information to customers of relevant game titles? Nice to see you flaming SOE for being incompetent, and pointing out the typical weakness of communication by SOE.However, someone at SOE does know enough, and could/should have provided relevant information to the playerbase, the day the deal was made. Instead, we were given a knee-jerk post by a clueless or stifled red name, that was nothing more than PSS.1 and SOE patting each others back for being so "awesome".The reality is : SOE does not care about the peons. Never have, never will.

Raknid · 01-17-2012, 03:41 PM

WHEEEEEEE.....

Our community handlers can post right in this section about the new SC fluff but ignore this thread.

Lindien · 01-17-2012, 03:46 PM

Think SoE has show us what is their top priority, and it's not their user-base. First post from a Red after a loooong weekend waiting for a response to this thread, is for their precious SC items.

Sad it has come to this. SMILEY

Kachros · 01-17-2012, 08:46 PM

Being an EU player on a US server ..

How long will you keep the EU community waiting to hear their fate, I myself have personally played on the Butcherblock server for 5 years + and besides making a guild with a US friend of which I'm joint leader, I have made many friends on the server and have enjoyed my time here.

Now faced with a possible region lock I find myself wondering why such news is delivered right after forking out on an expansion with no new content and having to bide my time waiting for new content, only now led to believe I wont be with the people I know to enjoy said content with?

I think the lack of news regarding our future is absolutely ridiculous considering your stature and for the 1^st time since playing am seriously considering quitting the game altogether.

Your player base deserve much more than this, and believe me between the people I talk to online from in and around EU/UK we will not be renewing our subscriptions if a region lock is put in place.

For once give us a straight answer, as I see no reason to keep paying a sub or playing a character who may be no longer there any more.

dawy · 01-17-2012, 09:23 PM

Kachros wrote:

Being an EU player on a US server ..
How long will you keep the EU community waiting to hear their fate, I myself have personally played on the Butcherblock server for 5 years + and besides making a guild with a US friend of which I'm joint leader, I have made many friends on the server and have enjoyed my time here.
Now faced with a possible region lock I find myself wondering why such news is delivered right after forking out on an expansion with no new content and having to bide my time waiting for new content, only now led to believe I wont be with the people I know to enjoy said content with?
I think the lack of news regarding our future is absolutely ridiculous considering your stature and for the 1^st time since playing am seriously considering quitting the game altogether.
Your player base deserve much more than this, and believe me between the people I talk to online from in and around EU/UK we will not be renewing our subscriptions if a region lock is put in place.
For once give us a straight answer, as I see no reason to keep paying a sub or playing a character who may be no longer there any more.

This.

SisterTheresa · 01-17-2012, 11:09 PM

I'm not from Europe or play on their servers, but this silence is really ticking me off as well.

We have quite a few people in our guild from regions outside the USA, and they are worried and concerned about this. I don't want to lose any of them to some bad, thought out server thing like this.

Keeping my fingers crossed (since holding my breath would just make me pass out) that an answer or something comes soon.

Imokles · 01-18-2012, 02:41 AM

dawy wrote:

Kachros wrote:
Being an EU player on a US server ..
How long will you keep the EU community waiting to hear their fate, I myself have personally played on the Butcherblock server for 5 years + and besides making a guild with a US friend of which I'm joint leader, I have made many friends on the server and have enjoyed my time here.
Now faced with a possible region lock I find myself wondering why such news is delivered right after forking out on an expansion with no new content and having to bide my time waiting for new content, only now led to believe I wont be with the people I know to enjoy said content with?
I think the lack of news regarding our future is absolutely ridiculous considering your stature and for the 1^st time since playing am seriously considering quitting the game altogether.
Your player base deserve much more than this, and believe me between the people I talk to online from in and around EU/UK we will not be renewing our subscriptions if a region lock is put in place.
For once give us a straight answer, as I see no reason to keep paying a sub or playing a character who may be no longer there any more.
This.

+1

I have 5 toons on Valor from old times I don't play anymore and 9 toons on Freeport that I play frequently. I just renewed my gold membership (12 months subscription). I would obviously want a refund for that if I can't play those Freeport toons anymore. Please add the procedure how to get this to your FAQ.

Lempo · 01-18-2012, 03:10 AM

Imokles wrote:

+1
I have 5 toons on Valor from old times I don't play anymore and 9 toons on Freeport that I play frequently. I just renewed my gold membership (12 months subscription). I would obviously want a refund for that if I can't play those Freeport toons anymore. Please add the procedure how to get this to your FAQ.

The procedure here would be to compensate you with game time, subscriptions are non-refundable, that isn't what you want to hear and I don't think it is right but I doubt if this happens like it sounds like it will be happening, (if it were not the intended plan it would have been debunked already imo) I don't think you'll get a refund.

Banedon_Toran · 01-18-2012, 06:19 AM

A region lock would kill Elements guild, we have predominantly US players but UK leaders and an East European officer. Assuming a region lock was implemented, does the guild get left with no leaders or do the leaders keep the guild (transferred to Splitpaw) and the members get dropped. I can't see either situation working out well. I'm in the ridiculous situation where will be attending the Faydwer Faire planning meeting and volunteering the assistance of our guild with the caveat that our help is dependent on SoE not locking me and the other leaders from Antonia Bayle server...

Bacci · 01-18-2012, 09:48 AM

We cannot give feedback on something we do not have detailed information about.

Things i miss info about:

What exactly did ProsiebenSat.1 purchase?

Does licenses mean distribution of game packages (downloads).

Does licenses mean they run the game on new servers with their own account system and service?

- If so, what about station access accounts?

Does licenses mean our soe subs are transfered and our station cash is dust?

I would like to see those informations soon since they are very important.

rollando · 01-18-2012, 10:00 AM

Splitting the American and US communities would be a fatal mistake on a 7 years old game such as EQ2.

Warbler · 01-18-2012, 11:53 AM

Nearly a week later and still nothing for us to give feedback on.

Kaian · 01-18-2012, 12:04 PM

I found this in an article on www.businessweek.com ....

“We didn’t feel we had the right reach in Europe,” said Sony Online Entertainment President John Smedley at a news conference in Munich. “Our goal is to become the leading free to play publisher in the world and with the help of ProSieben, we feel Europe is covered now.”

The companies will share revenue and risk under the terms of the agreement, executives said today.

Sharing revenue and risk ... that certainly sounds more than a straightforward publishing deal. My worry-meter just hit the red zone.

Raknid · 01-18-2012, 12:15 PM

Kaian@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I found this in an article on www.businessweek.com ....
“We didn’t feel we had the right reach in Europe,” said Sony Online Entertainment President John Smedley at a news conference in Munich. “Our goal is to become the leading free to play publisher in the world and with the help of ProSieben, we feel Europe is covered now.”
The companies will share revenue and risk under the terms of the agreement, executives said today.
Sharing revenue and risk ... that certainly sounds more than a straightforward publishing deal. My worry-meter just hit the red zone.

Sure sounds like exclusivity (region locks) to me. SOE are letting them use the brand and IP, but other than that it sounds like they are own their own as far as marketting, hosting, etc... and will therefore need region locks in order to be able to offset the "risk."

Buggabug · 01-18-2012, 12:39 PM

Normally I would stay out of this kind of discussion, as it's all specualtion...but

Out of concern I checked into this Alaplaya service and read through their T&C. It has prompted me to cancel my subscription and REMOVE all credit card info that was on file with my account. I admit I did this as a precaution due to the silence from SOE. Also, skipped buying my usual two SC cards this month can't see spending money with all the uncertainty surrounding this deal. I play on 3 servers and I live in the UK so as much as I want to put over priced virtual wings on my white ratongas.....I can wait.

01-15-2012, 01:14 AM	#61
Avirodar Server: Oasis Guild: Tyranny Rank: Champion Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,035	Lateana@The Bazaar wrote: Kryvak@Everfrost wrote: Whatever they do, I really doubt SOE is dumb enough to try and herd European players into the European servers only, that's just a terrible idea. Never underestimate the power of dumb Any person playing from Europe should ask themselves these two questions :1) Would ProSiebenSat.1 sign up to a deal where they publish and market EQ2 in the European market, but leave a wide open door for European customers to completely bypass them (Alaplaya/ProSiebenSat.1), by going directly to the USA offerings? Would this not compromise the planned agreement, and profit splits between the two companies (SOE and PSS.1)? It would severely complicate it at the very least... You should investigate ProSiebenSat.1's history with videogame acquisitions for some potential insight at to PSS.1's general business nature.2) Do you think SOE cares more about what they have now (existing Euro playerbase), or what they hope to get as a result of this deal (potentially bigger/new Euro playerbase)?Until SOE decides it is time to tell the peons customers what is happening, the above two questions is something Euro players should give due consideration. __________________ Templar of Oasis

01-16-2012, 07:38 AM	#64
Griffildur Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: First Lords Rank: Peasant (0-100) Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,136	Enough is enough, SOE post the details of the contract so we know what happens to the European servers and players, both on them and on the US ones. This is beyond ridiculous already. It should have been done as part of the initial announcement. __________________

01-16-2012, 09:40 AM	#65
Gladiolus Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 873	Avirodar@Oasis wrote: Any person playing from Europe should ask themselves these two questions : Asking questions of ourselves and coming up with possible answers only produces more speculation. The sensible thing would be for SOE to instead give information.

01-16-2012, 10:09 AM	#66
Jazzia Server: Runnyeye Guild: Nightfall Rank: Alt Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 39	If they blocked Euros from playing on US servers, what would happen to PvP ? As some may know, there's only one PvP server left and that is located in the US. And there are LOTS of Euros playing on Naggy ...... I usually don't resort to threats, but I'd REALLY have to rethink my membership here if I couldn't play on PvP anymore. It's not my primary server but I don't want to miss it ! __________________

01-16-2012, 01:37 PM	#68
Banedon_Toran Lord Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 366	Still 8.30am on a Monday morning is SoE-land, so I'll give them a little longer yet... I would hope they quickly make a statement to quash any rumours about imposing regional lockouts. __________________ Sorry, Banedon Toran has left EQ2 and SOE games in general. Any interest in setting up a roleplay guild for the upcoming Copernicus/Amalur MMO? Would be based around Euro primetime/US daytime hours, all geo-locations accepted.

01-15-2012, 07:28 AM	#62
Chaotico Server: Splitpaw Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	if my characters end up transferred out of my current international guild on a US Server and brought to a german server I kill my characters and any ANY and all ideas of EVER even just reading anything SOE has to offer... seriously, open up as many new EQ2 servers you want ProSieben and get customers as many as you want for them, I even hope that localisation fantatics move there, but please, no scrap that no please, leave those of us who intentionally decided for an international enviroment alone... Ubisoft SHOULD have tought something to SOE. Any accounting over a german subsidary of a bad TV station... bollocks... %$§"!!germans..

01-15-2012, 08:51 AM	#63
dawy Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,373	Good to see that SOE treats its euro customers with its usual contempt disgraceful that no sort of FAQ is up,this should have been up along with the annoucement,but no. Sorry but this isnt the way to treat customers.

01-16-2012, 01:07 PM	#67
Raknid Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,421	Going on FOUR days now...ZERO information from SOE. I would "lol," but it is just too sad a situation to make light of it. Pretty sad that our associate producer can take the time to be a "cheerleader" for SC items but can't seem to post here about this significant issue. I was going to use the term that many people refer to SC items as followed by an -er....but thought better of it.

01-16-2012, 04:00 PM	#69
Griffildur Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: First Lords Rank: Peasant (0-100) Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,136	Still waiting on the details ... __________________

01-16-2012, 04:10 PM	#70
Te'ana Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	Today, Monday January 16, is a holiday in the US (Martin Luther King, Jr's Birthday). So don't hold your breath just yet.

01-17-2012, 12:04 AM	#71
Gladiolus Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 873	Lateana@The Bazaar wrote: Today, Monday January 16, is a holiday in the US (Martin Luther King, Jr's Birthday). So don't hold your breath just yet. Presumably they have calendars at SOE too, and knew it was going to be a long weekend. For that matter, presumably they knew why they were going to Germany and what they intended to do when they got there. In any normal business, a document clarifying the position of affected customers would have been prepared before the time and left with an appropriate person to post in the proper place at the right time. Why does it feel like the entire European community has been put on /ignore?

01-17-2012, 02:22 AM	#72
Te'ana Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	I agree, they know what is what. Their silence says a lot and it is not very positive. As many posters have noted, this effects many people. People who are in the UK and Europe and the US, as well as other parts of the globe. Using this forum for us to let off steam is not a reasonable response to legitimate concerns. We deserve prompt answers to our questions.

01-17-2012, 11:29 AM	#73
Griffildur Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: First Lords Rank: Peasant (0-100) Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,136	I assume we'll find out after there is this big downtime, when servers are moved over, and people region locked. We'll login in one day and everything will be changed and there will be a new thread asking how we like it where no red name will ever post again. __________________

01-17-2012, 12:29 PM	#74
General_Info Lord Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 658	Lateana@The Bazaar wrote: I agree, they know what is what. Their silence says a lot and it is not very positive. As many posters have noted, this effects many people. People who are in the UK and Europe and the US, as well as other parts of the globe. Using this forum for us to let off steam is not a reasonable response to legitimate concerns. We deserve prompt answers to our questions. If i were to hazard a guess i'd say they annouced it ASAP before working out all the details it would certainly explain their silence even looking on the other forums they aren't saying much. __________________

01-17-2012, 12:35 PM	#75
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	General_Info wrote: Lateana@The Bazaar wrote: I agree, they know what is what. Their silence says a lot and it is not very positive. As many posters have noted, this effects many people. People who are in the UK and Europe and the US, as well as other parts of the globe. Using this forum for us to let off steam is not a reasonable response to legitimate concerns. We deserve prompt answers to our questions. If i were to hazard a guess i'd say they annouced it ASAP before working out all the details it would certainly explain their silence even looking on the other forums they aren't saying much. My guess is that they were 'forced' to put out the announcements to players since Smed tweeted about it and various gaming news sites were picking it up and someone (wise) thought it would be good to put out an official announcement to players because of that. In other words, my guess is that Smed tweeted before they were ready to announce it with any details and FAQ about what it means to the players. __________________

01-17-2012, 01:23 PM	#76
Avirodar Server: Oasis Guild: Tyranny Rank: Champion Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,035	Rijacki wrote: General_Info wrote: Lateana@The Bazaar wrote: I agree, they know what is what. Their silence says a lot and it is not very positive. As many posters have noted, this effects many people. People who are in the UK and Europe and the US, as well as other parts of the globe. Using this forum for us to let off steam is not a reasonable response to legitimate concerns. We deserve prompt answers to our questions. If i were to hazard a guess i'd say they annouced it ASAP before working out all the details it would certainly explain their silence even looking on the other forums they aren't saying much. My guess is that they were 'forced' to put out the announcements to players since Smed tweeted about it and various gaming news sites were picking it up and someone (wise) thought it would be good to put out an official announcement to players because of that. In other words, my guess is that Smed tweeted before they were ready to announce it with any details and FAQ about what it means to the players. So you're saying that your "guess" is Smed tweeted it before anyone at SOE knew enough about what was going on, to provide remotely meaningful information to customers of relevant game titles? Nice to see you flaming SOE for being incompetent, and pointing out the typical weakness of communication by SOE.However, someone at SOE does know enough, and could/should have provided relevant information to the playerbase, the day the deal was made. Instead, we were given a knee-jerk post by a clueless or stifled red name, that was nothing more than PSS.1 and SOE patting each others back for being so "awesome".The reality is : SOE does not care about the peons. Never have, never will. __________________ Templar of Oasis

01-17-2012, 03:41 PM	#77
Raknid Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,421	WHEEEEEEE..... Our community handlers can post right in this section about the new SC fluff but ignore this thread.

01-17-2012, 03:46 PM	#78
Lindien Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2	Think SoE has show us what is their top priority, and it's not their user-base. First post from a Red after a loooong weekend waiting for a response to this thread, is for their precious SC items. Sad it has come to this.

01-17-2012, 08:46 PM	#79
Kachros Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11	Being an EU player on a US server .. How long will you keep the EU community waiting to hear their fate, I myself have personally played on the Butcherblock server for 5 years + and besides making a guild with a US friend of which I'm joint leader, I have made many friends on the server and have enjoyed my time here. Now faced with a possible region lock I find myself wondering why such news is delivered right after forking out on an expansion with no new content and having to bide my time waiting for new content, only now led to believe I wont be with the people I know to enjoy said content with? I think the lack of news regarding our future is absolutely ridiculous considering your stature and for the 1^st time since playing am seriously considering quitting the game altogether. Your player base deserve much more than this, and believe me between the people I talk to online from in and around EU/UK we will not be renewing our subscriptions if a region lock is put in place. For once give us a straight answer, as I see no reason to keep paying a sub or playing a character who may be no longer there any more.

01-17-2012, 09:23 PM	#80
dawy Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,373	Kachros wrote: Being an EU player on a US server .. How long will you keep the EU community waiting to hear their fate, I myself have personally played on the Butcherblock server for 5 years + and besides making a guild with a US friend of which I'm joint leader, I have made many friends on the server and have enjoyed my time here. Now faced with a possible region lock I find myself wondering why such news is delivered right after forking out on an expansion with no new content and having to bide my time waiting for new content, only now led to believe I wont be with the people I know to enjoy said content with? I think the lack of news regarding our future is absolutely ridiculous considering your stature and for the 1^st time since playing am seriously considering quitting the game altogether. Your player base deserve much more than this, and believe me between the people I talk to online from in and around EU/UK we will not be renewing our subscriptions if a region lock is put in place. For once give us a straight answer, as I see no reason to keep paying a sub or playing a character who may be no longer there any more. This.

01-17-2012, 11:09 PM	#81
SisterTheresa The Vigilant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,250	I'm not from Europe or play on their servers, but this silence is really ticking me off as well. We have quite a few people in our guild from regions outside the USA, and they are worried and concerned about this. I don't want to lose any of them to some bad, thought out server thing like this. Keeping my fingers crossed (since holding my breath would just make me pass out) that an answer or something comes soon. __________________

01-18-2012, 02:41 AM	#82
Imokles Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 28	dawy wrote: Kachros wrote: Being an EU player on a US server .. How long will you keep the EU community waiting to hear their fate, I myself have personally played on the Butcherblock server for 5 years + and besides making a guild with a US friend of which I'm joint leader, I have made many friends on the server and have enjoyed my time here. Now faced with a possible region lock I find myself wondering why such news is delivered right after forking out on an expansion with no new content and having to bide my time waiting for new content, only now led to believe I wont be with the people I know to enjoy said content with? I think the lack of news regarding our future is absolutely ridiculous considering your stature and for the 1^st time since playing am seriously considering quitting the game altogether. Your player base deserve much more than this, and believe me between the people I talk to online from in and around EU/UK we will not be renewing our subscriptions if a region lock is put in place. For once give us a straight answer, as I see no reason to keep paying a sub or playing a character who may be no longer there any more. This. +1 I have 5 toons on Valor from old times I don't play anymore and 9 toons on Freeport that I play frequently. I just renewed my gold membership (12 months subscription). I would obviously want a refund for that if I can't play those Freeport toons anymore. Please add the procedure how to get this to your FAQ. __________________

01-18-2012, 03:10 AM	#83
Lempo Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,179	Imokles wrote: +1 I have 5 toons on Valor from old times I don't play anymore and 9 toons on Freeport that I play frequently. I just renewed my gold membership (12 months subscription). I would obviously want a refund for that if I can't play those Freeport toons anymore. Please add the procedure how to get this to your FAQ. The procedure here would be to compensate you with game time, subscriptions are non-refundable, that isn't what you want to hear and I don't think it is right but I doubt if this happens like it sounds like it will be happening, (if it were not the intended plan it would have been debunked already imo) I don't think you'll get a refund. __________________ All actions have consequences and repercussions. Somewhere in Norrath a guild is about to dissolve.

01-18-2012, 06:19 AM	#84
Banedon_Toran Lord Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 366	A region lock would kill Elements guild, we have predominantly US players but UK leaders and an East European officer. Assuming a region lock was implemented, does the guild get left with no leaders or do the leaders keep the guild (transferred to Splitpaw) and the members get dropped. I can't see either situation working out well. I'm in the ridiculous situation where will be attending the Faydwer Faire planning meeting and volunteering the assistance of our guild with the caveat that our help is dependent on SoE not locking me and the other leaders from Antonia Bayle server... __________________ Sorry, Banedon Toran has left EQ2 and SOE games in general. Any interest in setting up a roleplay guild for the upcoming Copernicus/Amalur MMO? Would be based around Euro primetime/US daytime hours, all geo-locations accepted.

01-18-2012, 09:48 AM	#85
Bacci Server: Runnyeye Guild: Free Spirits Rank: Spiritkeeper Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 141	We cannot give feedback on something we do not have detailed information about. Things i miss info about: What exactly did ProsiebenSat.1 purchase? Does licenses mean distribution of game packages (downloads). Does licenses mean they run the game on new servers with their own account system and service? - If so, what about station access accounts? Does licenses mean our soe subs are transfered and our station cash is dust? I would like to see those informations soon since they are very important.

01-18-2012, 10:00 AM	#86
rollando Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 123	Splitting the American and US communities would be a fatal mistake on a 7 years old game such as EQ2.

01-18-2012, 11:53 AM	#87
Warbler Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Elements of Arcadia Rank: Elemental Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11	Nearly a week later and still nothing for us to give feedback on.

01-18-2012, 12:04 PM	#88
Kaian Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Restoration Rank: Researcher Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 176	I found this in an article on www.businessweek.com .... “We didn’t feel we had the right reach in Europe,” said Sony Online Entertainment President John Smedley at a news conference in Munich. “Our goal is to become the leading free to play publisher in the world and with the help of ProSieben, we feel Europe is covered now.” The companies will share revenue and risk under the terms of the agreement, executives said today. Sharing revenue and risk ... that certainly sounds more than a straightforward publishing deal. My worry-meter just hit the red zone.

01-18-2012, 12:15 PM	#89
Raknid Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,421	Kaian@Antonia Bayle wrote: I found this in an article on www.businessweek.com .... “We didn’t feel we had the right reach in Europe,” said Sony Online Entertainment President John Smedley at a news conference in Munich. “Our goal is to become the leading free to play publisher in the world and with the help of ProSieben, we feel Europe is covered now.” The companies will share revenue and risk under the terms of the agreement, executives said today. Sharing revenue and risk ... that certainly sounds more than a straightforward publishing deal. My worry-meter just hit the red zone. Sure sounds like exclusivity (region locks) to me. SOE are letting them use the brand and IP, but other than that it sounds like they are own their own as far as marketting, hosting, etc... and will therefore need region locks in order to be able to offset the "risk."

01-18-2012, 12:39 PM	#90
Buggabug Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 34	Normally I would stay out of this kind of discussion, as it's all specualtion...but Out of concern I checked into this Alaplaya service and read through their T&C. It has prompted me to cancel my subscription and REMOVE all credit card info that was on file with my account. I admit I did this as a precaution due to the silence from SOE. Also, skipped buying my usual two SC cards this month can't see spending money with all the uncertainty surrounding this deal. I play on 3 servers and I live in the UK so as much as I want to put over priced virtual wings on my white ratongas.....I can wait.