OK, I know why Wizards suck in solo - Page 3

lisasdarr · 01-05-2006, 03:02 AM

Generic123 wrote:

Czorny wrote:
This is VERY clear scheme everybody uses. And as I've already stated a thousand times, YOU ALWAYS RUN OUT OF MANA. The problem is not in spells and order of usage, but in the lack of power.

What you can solo before you hit level 50 is highly dependant on your master II selections. Even Adept III Ball of Fire isn’t efficient enough in its damage/power to kill a heroic 3 levels below your own. You will simply be out of power and out of health before it dies.

Well I never run out of power, but then I took the Ball of Fire Master II (who wouldn't its our biggest hitting spell) so maybe that makes the difference. I have 135 int and 1613 power, none of my gear is particularly fantastic or rare (Check Taelok on EQII Players to see) I don't even have to convert health to power in order to succeed, but maybe you're right and I am just special.

Admh · 01-05-2006, 05:13 AM

yes. you run out of power.. but you need to consider that by the time u ran outta mana, you're probably on your 4th or 5th mob, whereas other classes are still on their 1st or 2nd mob.

Czor · 01-05-2006, 05:51 AM

Just to make things clearer.

I am a 45 level Wizard right now. I have all spells under 40 lvl at Adept III/Master II, all 40+ nukes at Adept I and Inferno at Master II.

No matter what I do and how often I use health-power conversion, I run out of mana. No matter how ofter I use Ring of Cold (Adept III) and Tether (Adept III), I run out of mana.

And I am talking about ^^^ heroics that are GREY to me (33-34 level)!

If ANYBODY knows ANY strategy except "root - nuke - root again", please, share it with me. Maybe I should drink potions like crazy or ask my Necro friend to make me a gazillion mana stones - no matter what it will be.

Admh · 01-05-2006, 06:18 AM

hmm.. is your int near your lvl cap? i am still wondering how you can't kill a ^^^ mob gre that's 15 levels under you..?! *boggles*:smileyindifferent:

ATG · 01-05-2006, 08:14 AM

Which server are you on? If you're on Guk, I'll show you how it's done. If you're not, create a lvl 3 toon on Guk and I'll show you. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that wizards are bad at soloing. The root-nuke-nuke method is the only way it's done because it's the most effective. Heck, I'll even show you what a caster mob will do. You can watch me get creamed by that carpet quest 3 guy in maybe 5 seconds. And if you think rangers do it better, let me tell you, a lvl 60 ranger who thought he could tank for us became a corpse before I even realized the battle started.

NightGod473 · 01-05-2006, 10:53 AM

Don't double root pre-50. Just make sure you're casting from max range and you'll be fine. Also, get an imbued wand already-free nukes FTW on ^^^s.

Admh · 01-05-2006, 11:03 AM

It's not even the double root etc.. I fail to see the incompetence of such a player to complain that wizards can't solo and runs out of mana to kill a white ^^^ or lower conned mob. If you can't find a strategy to kill a mob, please quit the being a wizard.

BlueS · 01-05-2006, 11:48 AM

Try this: Root, and do nothing. When root is almost over, re-root. Interestingly enough, you gain your mana FASTER than you spend it on casting that root. That means that if you are fighting something that is pretty much never going to resist your root, you are good to go.So that says how to keep alive against a ^^^ heroic that is 2 levels lower. Now the trick is to KILL that thing.clicky wands are a great way. Another great way is use a stun spell. If the root breaks then he's still stunned, so you can reroot him with no fear.If you are in a 'safe' area where you don't have to worry about adds, then just root it, stun it. If root breaks, reroot. When root is almost expired, reroot. Never cast stun unless you can immediately cast root.Assuming no stuns, it's guarunteed you can kill it without running out of mana, without getting hit, without fear. If you go a bit heavy you might eventually run out of mana, but in that case you can either just sit there rerooting (no stunning) and regain your mana, or you could convert health to mana.Sure, it can take 20 minutes to kill a simple mob with that tactic, but it works. So those that say "it's impossible" no, it's not impossible. It's just really boring.But if you want to kill the mob quickly with very little danger, have plenty of mana left over, and plenty of health, bring a ranger along. I bring a ranger with me whenever I can. My wife is a ranger, I am the wizard. Together we can take on some crazy stuff...

Generic123 · 01-05-2006, 08:26 PM

Czorny wrote:

If ANYBODY knows ANY strategy except "root - nuke - root again", please, share it with me. Maybe I should drink potions like crazy or ask my Necro friend to make me a gazillion mana stones - no matter what it will be.

What nukes are you using and how often do you root? The only nukes you should be using is either a Master II Ball of Flames, or an Adept III Ball of Fire. The former is more power efficient. You can also use your stun, it’s quite efficient as well.

You should stick to your single target roots, don’t double root and refresh the root sparingly. Ring of Cold is not very power efficient, only use it if you absolutely must. Every root you need to cast decreases your power without decreasing mob health so be selective about their use.

Do not use your “strike” line of nukes. They break your roots and only give you minimal damage in return. If you use them you will need to re-root way to often and will be out of power much sooner.

lisasdarren wrote:

What you can solo before you hit level 50 is highly dependant on your master II selections. Even Adept III Ball of Fire isn’t efficient enough in its damage/power to kill a heroic 3 levels below your own. You will simply be out of power and out of health before it dies.

Well I never run out of power, but then I took the Ball of Fire Master II (who wouldn't its our biggest hitting spell) so maybe that makes the difference.

I have 135 int and 1613 power, none of my gear is particularly fantastic or rare (Check Taelok on EQII Players to see)

I don't even have to convert health to power in order to succeed, but maybe you're right and I am just special.

What I said is if you don’t have Master II Ball of Fire you will go OOP trying to solo heroics close to your own level. You have Master II BoF so how does not running out of power make you special?

Glenolas · 01-06-2006, 12:14 AM

Czorny wrote:

I always was wondering why wizards are so lousy in soloing. I am a 42 Wiz and it's a real pain for me to kill 30 lvl heroic with 3 arrows up. And I am even not talking about higher levels.

Every high end wizard can solo even con (white) solo triple up arrow heroic melee mobs. The wizard's health will never get out of the green. If you cannot, you are not on the high end of your class. If you cannot solo green con triple up arrow heroic melee mobs, turn in your wizard card and play some other class. I don't care how much you think you have learned, you are not yet a wizard and it embarasses us to read your posts. Glenolas

Robsco · 01-06-2006, 08:02 AM

This thread is making me [Removed for Content]

Here are a few tips for melee mobs. if you follow the information below... YOU also can solo heroic mobs 5 levels higher than you... Well before soe nerfs us at least =)

1.) Root from max distance.

2.) Stack your roots

3.) never ever Dot unless you get bored and want some excitement

4.) Dont try to burn down the Mob. Take your time. be sure you always have 1 root up.

5.) use your HP to mana spells. if its a long fight use them early even if your mana is fine. At some point you will need to burn mana you dont have. If you use them early then you will gain more hp in the fight to convert to mana

6.) Upgrade your important spells such as your main root and main nukes to adept 3. I would do root first. If the root resists you drop before you know what hit you.

****** Now for casters ******

Follow the same rules as above but you will need to run in and out of spell range or use the enviroment to hide behind so they can cast on you.

Always stay at max distance when casting and then run out of range after you root them. If you time it right you can solo almost any caster in the game. If yuo get dareing try some of the x2 stuff. It can be really fun and challenging.. specially for figruing out how to not run out of mana =)

Once you have mastered these tehniques then you can solo caster at point blank range if you time your spells just right. The name of the game is then figuring out how to interupt their spells and keeping roots up.. Now thats fun.

Thanks

Robsco the Humble Gnome Steamfont

R2Chie · 01-06-2006, 08:41 PM

Glenolas wrote:If you cannot solo green con triple up arrow heroic melee mobs, turn in your wizard card and play some other class. I don't care how much you think you have learned, you are not yet a wizard and it embarasses us to read your posts.Glenolas

lol

never a truer word said

Czor · 01-06-2006, 08:48 PM

Every high end wizard can solo even con (white) solo triple up arrow heroic melee mobs. The wizard's health will never get out of the green. If you cannot, you are not on the high end of your class. If you cannot solo green con triple up arrow heroic melee mobs, turn in your wizard card and play some other class. I don't care how much you think you have learned, you are not yet a wizard and it embarasses us to read your posts.

Do I force you to read my posts? No. If you cannot (or don't want to) type anything usefull, try to read books or watch TV instead. Good luck.

Czor · 01-06-2006, 08:54 PM

Everything is clear except this:

2.) Stack your roots

What do you mean under "stack"? Don't think if I use Tether 2 times, I get better roots.

As for your scheme above, I always did the same. Actually, I've figured out my biggest problem - INT. Too bad nobody told me about this, in spite that I wrote how much intelligence I have on my Wiz. Recently I met another Wizard that was only 8 levels above me and he had INT twice bigger than mine. This is why I always run out of power and not able to solo any high level heroics.

Czor · 01-06-2006, 09:01 PM

What nukes are you using and how often do you root? The only nukes you should be using is either a Master II Ball of Flames, or an Adept III Ball of Fire. The former is more power efficient. You can also use your stun, it’s quite efficient as well.

I use Tether, then: Ball of Flames (A3), Paralyze (A1), Flamestrike (A1) and start over from Tether. I had no opportunity to ugrade my 40+ spells to A3 yet, so I stuck to A1 for now.

As for stun, u ment Paralyze, I guess. Aurora is almost useless in soloing.

You should stick to your single target roots, don’t double root and refresh the root sparingly. Ring of Cold is not very power efficient, only use it if you absolutely must. Every root you need to cast decreases your power without decreasing mob health so be selective about their use.

I use RoC only for groups. Single targets always get their portion of Tether.

Do not use your “strike” line of nukes. They break your roots and only give you minimal damage in return. If you use them you will need to re-root way to often and will be out of power much sooner.

What do you mean under "strike line"? A succession of nukes like BoF-Paralyze-FS one after another? Hmm... maybe this can be a problem too, coz I do use strike line of these nukes after root.

Czor · 01-06-2006, 09:03 PM

Admhel wrote:
hmm.. is your int near your lvl cap? i am still wondering how you can't kill a ^^^ mob gre that's 15 levels under you..?! *boggles*:smileyindifferent:

Can you tell me how can I determine a cap INT for the current level? Any formula? I have 179 at my 45 lvl.

Generic123 · 01-06-2006, 09:37 PM

Czorny wrote:

Can you tell me how can I determine a cap INT for the current level? Any formula? I have 179 at my 45 lvl.

That’s on the low side. The int cap is a little over 7*level so at 45 it would be a little over 320. You should be able to break 280 with treasured, handcrafted and readily available items at that level. There are common 10ish int items in almost every slot at your level and don’t forget potions and rings, they make a big difference.

Generic123 · 01-06-2006, 09:44 PM

Czorny wrote:
What do you mean under "strike line"? A succession of nukes like BoF-Paralyze-FS one after another? Hmm... maybe this can be a problem too, coz I do use strike line of these nukes after root.

I mean the plasma strike, flame strike, sunstrike line of spells. Don’t use them. The damage they do isn’t worth the number of root breaks they create and you end up wasting power rerooting the mob all the time. Stick to BoFL and Paralyze or possibly just BoFL.

Robsco · 01-06-2006, 11:03 PM

stacking roots mean if you have a single root and a group root... throw them both on the target. When the mob takes damage most of the time not both roots will break.

Czor · 01-07-2006, 12:13 AM

Generic123 wrote:
That’s on the low side. The int cap is a little over 7*level so at 45 it would be a little over 320. You should be able to break 280 with treasured, handcrafted and readily available items at that level. There are common 10ish int items in almost every slot at your level and don’t forget potions and rings, they make a big difference.

OMG, I am a total wuss! Gotta spend all my money to armor now. Thnx for simple formula, I'll stick to it in the future.

Czor · 01-07-2006, 12:15 AM

Robsco wrote:
stacking roots mean if you have a single root and a group root... throw them both on the target. When the mob takes damage most of the time not both roots will break.

Oh, I see. I thought they are equal and RoC is just a group version of Tether. Thnx a lot for the info!

Generic123 · 01-07-2006, 01:46 AM

Robsco wrote:
stacking roots mean if you have a single root and a group root... throw them both on the target. When the mob takes damage most of the time not both roots will break.

This is unnecessary unless the mob is in close quarters, and can even work against you when the second root causes the first to break. Since the OP’s issue is going OOP, not keeping the mob rooted he should be single rooting and re-root only when his root breaks. Double rooting takes more power and will make things worse rather then better for him.

Robsco · 01-07-2006, 04:58 AM

I agree and disagree =)

Depending on the wizards level if you use Ice comet and then incapiciate the mob will sometimes sprint froward before the knockback or even go to a area whre you can not cast on him. This makes rooting tough. If you stack your roots then the mob never sprints forward before the knockback kicks in.

Tether has such a short recast that even if your group roots breaks it then jsut cast it again. If i am in close quarters you have to do it this way... Specially if your against a caster and need to fight it at poitn blank range yuo better stack your roots or you will die.

I normally only stack my roots in small areas where their is lots of agro around... I dont see how it can make the problem worse though. Mana should not be a issue unless your soloing x2 stuff in which case i dont stack my roots.

Thanks

Robsco the Humble Gnome

NightGod473 · 01-07-2006, 04:53 PM

8 levels higher than you and nearly double the INT isn't that unusual. The 50+ gear is SO much better than the stuff that comes before it. That said, root+clicky wand will allow you to solo pretty much any yellow or below non-epic mob, assuming you don't mind spending 20+ minutes to do it and have a clear field to work in.

Damaan · 01-10-2006, 02:44 AM

figwart (rare t5 cloth root) is 20g or sometimes less on my server. Make sure you have 12 int dolls in both charm slots and rare helm, pants, and bracer since they have int on them too (go for constructors or producers the non-linen versions since they have more) I believe. You should also look into a rare cloth neck and belt from a jeweler I am not sure, but think they have some int/power on them too. I would find an imbued ring of intelligence as well since even if it is non-rare the buff will help a ton. Finally I think wizzys get an int buff and I would make sure that is upgraded if possible. I hope this helps

Czor · 01-10-2006, 03:13 AM

Damaan wrote:
figwart (rare t5 cloth root) is 20g or sometimes less on my server. Make sure you have 12 int dolls in both charm slots and rare helm, pants, and bracer since they have int on them too (go for constructors or producers the non-linen versions since they have more) I believe. You should also look into a rare cloth neck and belt from a jeweler I am not sure, but think they have some int/power on them too. I would find an imbued ring of intelligence as well since even if it is non-rare the buff will help a ton. Finally I think wizzys get an int buff and I would make sure that is upgraded if possible. I hope this helps

Now I have 2 dolls with 12+ INT, Stein of Moggok, best possible imbued wand, nice stuff in ranged slot and almost all pieces of armor with 10 INT boost each. Was able to raise my INT to 222 and I have NO idea how to make it at least 300 at my level. I can say that maximum INT you can get at middle 40s is 240-250 approx. No chance to get it higher - just no better gears.

Didn't try to solo any heroics with my 3K power yet SMILEY

Damaan · 01-10-2006, 03:23 AM

Grats on the nice jump in int and power! I hope I was of some help and remember if things still get a little hard or tight you can get potions from an alchie. If you know one he may even make you some for free for 1st time xp or at least cost. There are power regen potions and int buff potions and they can be used from your inv slot like manastone can be now. They have a recast time, but the buffs last for 30 mins I believe.

Sorry I am a little bit of a tradeskill ho so cannot help but [Removed for Content] the wares. (there are some nice totems to regen power out of combat for downtime also, but don't know the names)

IllusiveThoughts · 01-10-2006, 03:54 AM

Damaan wrote:
(there are some nice totems to regen power out of combat for downtime also, but don't know the names)

spirit of the bat t5

and spirit of the monkey t6

NightGod473 · 01-10-2006, 05:13 AM

For a neck, get a Necklace of Flowing Orbs if you don't already have it-dam thing is still almost impossible to replace until you get a Ro neck with FT.

Czor · 01-10-2006, 12:50 PM

NightGod473 wrote:For a neck, get a Necklace of Flowing Orbs if you don't already have it-dam thing is still almost impossible to replace until you get a Ro neck with FT.

For the nech, charm, chest, secondary weapon and some other slots I do have best stuff I can get on my level.

And of coz I have NoFO SMILEY

01-05-2006, 03:02 AM	#61
lisasdarr Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 186	Generic123 wrote: Czorny wrote: This is VERY clear scheme everybody uses. And as I've already stated a thousand times, YOU ALWAYS RUN OUT OF MANA. The problem is not in spells and order of usage, but in the lack of power. What you can solo before you hit level 50 is highly dependant on your master II selections. Even Adept III Ball of Fire isn’t efficient enough in its damage/power to kill a heroic 3 levels below your own. You will simply be out of power and out of health before it dies. Well I never run out of power, but then I took the Ball of Fire Master II (who wouldn't its our biggest hitting spell) so maybe that makes the difference. I have 135 int and 1613 power, none of my gear is particularly fantastic or rare (Check Taelok on EQII Players to see) I don't even have to convert health to power in order to succeed, but maybe you're right and I am just special. __________________

01-05-2006, 10:53 AM	#66
NightGod473 Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 848	Don't double root pre-50. Just make sure you're casting from max range and you'll be fine. Also, get an imbued wand already-free nukes FTW on ^^^s. __________________ Fluffy list

01-05-2006, 11:48 AM	#68
BlueS General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 150	Try this: Root, and do nothing. When root is almost over, re-root. Interestingly enough, you gain your mana FASTER than you spend it on casting that root. That means that if you are fighting something that is pretty much never going to resist your root, you are good to go.So that says how to keep alive against a ^^^ heroic that is 2 levels lower. Now the trick is to KILL that thing.clicky wands are a great way. Another great way is use a stun spell. If the root breaks then he's still stunned, so you can reroot him with no fear.If you are in a 'safe' area where you don't have to worry about adds, then just root it, stun it. If root breaks, reroot. When root is almost expired, reroot. Never cast stun unless you can immediately cast root.Assuming no stuns, it's guarunteed you can kill it without running out of mana, without getting hit, without fear. If you go a bit heavy you might eventually run out of mana, but in that case you can either just sit there rerooting (no stunning) and regain your mana, or you could convert health to mana.Sure, it can take 20 minutes to kill a simple mob with that tactic, but it works. So those that say "it's impossible" no, it's not impossible. It's just really boring.But if you want to kill the mob quickly with very little danger, have plenty of mana left over, and plenty of health, bring a ranger along. I bring a ranger with me whenever I can. My wife is a ranger, I am the wizard. Together we can take on some crazy stuff... __________________ Blue Sun aka Kayami Oakwright of Tunare Watch 70 Alchemist of Venekor Server

01-05-2006, 08:26 PM	#69
Generic123 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 285	Czorny wrote: If ANYBODY knows ANY strategy except "root - nuke - root again", please, share it with me. Maybe I should drink potions like crazy or ask my Necro friend to make me a gazillion mana stones - no matter what it will be. What nukes are you using and how often do you root? The only nukes you should be using is either a Master II Ball of Flames, or an Adept III Ball of Fire. The former is more power efficient. You can also use your stun, it’s quite efficient as well. You should stick to your single target roots, don’t double root and refresh the root sparingly. Ring of Cold is not very power efficient, only use it if you absolutely must. Every root you need to cast decreases your power without decreasing mob health so be selective about their use. Do not use your “strike” line of nukes. They break your roots and only give you minimal damage in return. If you use them you will need to re-root way to often and will be out of power much sooner. lisasdarren wrote: What you can solo before you hit level 50 is highly dependant on your master II selections. Even Adept III Ball of Fire isn’t efficient enough in its damage/power to kill a heroic 3 levels below your own. You will simply be out of power and out of health before it dies. Well I never run out of power, but then I took the Ball of Fire Master II (who wouldn't its our biggest hitting spell) so maybe that makes the difference. I have 135 int and 1613 power, none of my gear is particularly fantastic or rare (Check Taelok on EQII Players to see) I don't even have to convert health to power in order to succeed, but maybe you're right and I am just special. What I said is if you don’t have Master II Ball of Fire you will go OOP trying to solo heroics close to your own level. You have Master II BoF so how does not running out of power make you special?

01-06-2006, 12:14 AM	#70
Glenolas Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 787	Czorny wrote: I always was wondering why wizards are so lousy in soloing. I am a 42 Wiz and it's a real pain for me to kill 30 lvl heroic with 3 arrows up. And I am even not talking about higher levels. Every high end wizard can solo even con (white) solo triple up arrow heroic melee mobs. The wizard's health will never get out of the green. If you cannot, you are not on the high end of your class. If you cannot solo green con triple up arrow heroic melee mobs, turn in your wizard card and play some other class. I don't care how much you think you have learned, you are not yet a wizard and it embarasses us to read your posts. Glenolas

01-05-2006, 05:13 AM	#62
Admh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 328	yes. you run out of power.. but you need to consider that by the time u ran outta mana, you're probably on your 4th or 5th mob, whereas other classes are still on their 1st or 2nd mob.

01-05-2006, 05:51 AM	#63
Czor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 36	Just to make things clearer. I am a 45 level Wizard right now. I have all spells under 40 lvl at Adept III/Master II, all 40+ nukes at Adept I and Inferno at Master II. No matter what I do and how often I use health-power conversion, I run out of mana. No matter how ofter I use Ring of Cold (Adept III) and Tether (Adept III), I run out of mana. And I am talking about ^^^ heroics that are GREY to me (33-34 level)! If ANYBODY knows ANY strategy except "root - nuke - root again", please, share it with me. Maybe I should drink potions like crazy or ask my Necro friend to make me a gazillion mana stones - no matter what it will be.

01-05-2006, 06:18 AM	#64
Admh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 328	hmm.. is your int near your lvl cap? i am still wondering how you can't kill a ^^^ mob gre that's 15 levels under you..?! boggles:smileyindifferent:

01-05-2006, 08:14 AM	#65
ATG Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 31	Which server are you on? If you're on Guk, I'll show you how it's done. If you're not, create a lvl 3 toon on Guk and I'll show you. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that wizards are bad at soloing. The root-nuke-nuke method is the only way it's done because it's the most effective. Heck, I'll even show you what a caster mob will do. You can watch me get creamed by that carpet quest 3 guy in maybe 5 seconds. And if you think rangers do it better, let me tell you, a lvl 60 ranger who thought he could tank for us became a corpse before I even realized the battle started.

01-05-2006, 11:03 AM	#67
Admh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 328	It's not even the double root etc.. I fail to see the incompetence of such a player to complain that wizards can't solo and runs out of mana to kill a white ^^^ or lower conned mob. If you can't find a strategy to kill a mob, please quit the being a wizard.

01-06-2006, 08:02 AM	#71
Robsco Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 113	This thread is making me [Removed for Content] Here are a few tips for melee mobs. if you follow the information below... YOU also can solo heroic mobs 5 levels higher than you... Well before soe nerfs us at least =) 1.) Root from max distance. 2.) Stack your roots 3.) never ever Dot unless you get bored and want some excitement 4.) Dont try to burn down the Mob. Take your time. be sure you always have 1 root up. 5.) use your HP to mana spells. if its a long fight use them early even if your mana is fine. At some point you will need to burn mana you dont have. If you use them early then you will gain more hp in the fight to convert to mana 6.) Upgrade your important spells such as your main root and main nukes to adept 3. I would do root first. If the root resists you drop before you know what hit you. **** Now for casters **** Follow the same rules as above but you will need to run in and out of spell range or use the enviroment to hide behind so they can cast on you. Always stay at max distance when casting and then run out of range after you root them. If you time it right you can solo almost any caster in the game. If yuo get dareing try some of the x2 stuff. It can be really fun and challenging.. specially for figruing out how to not run out of mana =) Once you have mastered these tehniques then you can solo caster at point blank range if you time your spells just right. The name of the game is then figuring out how to interupt their spells and keeping roots up.. Now thats fun. Thanks Robsco the Humble Gnome Steamfont

01-06-2006, 08:41 PM	#72
R2Chie General Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 99	Glenolas wrote:If you cannot solo green con triple up arrow heroic melee mobs, turn in your wizard card and play some other class. I don't care how much you think you have learned, you are not yet a wizard and it embarasses us to read your posts.Glenolas lol never a truer word said __________________

01-06-2006, 08:48 PM	#73
Czor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 36	Every high end wizard can solo even con (white) solo triple up arrow heroic melee mobs. The wizard's health will never get out of the green. If you cannot, you are not on the high end of your class. If you cannot solo green con triple up arrow heroic melee mobs, turn in your wizard card and play some other class. I don't care how much you think you have learned, you are not yet a wizard and it embarasses us to read your posts. Do I force you to read my posts? No. If you cannot (or don't want to) type anything usefull, try to read books or watch TV instead. Good luck.

01-06-2006, 08:54 PM	#74
Czor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 36	Everything is clear except this: 2.) Stack your roots What do you mean under "stack"? Don't think if I use Tether 2 times, I get better roots. As for your scheme above, I always did the same. Actually, I've figured out my biggest problem - INT. Too bad nobody told me about this, in spite that I wrote how much intelligence I have on my Wiz. Recently I met another Wizard that was only 8 levels above me and he had INT twice bigger than mine. This is why I always run out of power and not able to solo any high level heroics.

01-06-2006, 09:01 PM	#75
Czor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 36	What nukes are you using and how often do you root? The only nukes you should be using is either a Master II Ball of Flames, or an Adept III Ball of Fire. The former is more power efficient. You can also use your stun, it’s quite efficient as well. I use Tether, then: Ball of Flames (A3), Paralyze (A1), Flamestrike (A1) and start over from Tether. I had no opportunity to ugrade my 40+ spells to A3 yet, so I stuck to A1 for now. As for stun, u ment Paralyze, I guess. Aurora is almost useless in soloing. You should stick to your single target roots, don’t double root and refresh the root sparingly. Ring of Cold is not very power efficient, only use it if you absolutely must. Every root you need to cast decreases your power without decreasing mob health so be selective about their use. I use RoC only for groups. Single targets always get their portion of Tether. Do not use your “strike” line of nukes. They break your roots and only give you minimal damage in return. If you use them you will need to re-root way to often and will be out of power much sooner. What do you mean under "strike line"? A succession of nukes like BoF-Paralyze-FS one after another? Hmm... maybe this can be a problem too, coz I do use strike line of these nukes after root.

01-06-2006, 09:03 PM	#76
Czor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 36	Admhel wrote: hmm.. is your int near your lvl cap? i am still wondering how you can't kill a ^^^ mob gre that's 15 levels under you..?! boggles:smileyindifferent: Can you tell me how can I determine a cap INT for the current level? Any formula? I have 179 at my 45 lvl.

01-06-2006, 09:37 PM	#77
Generic123 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 285	Czorny wrote: Can you tell me how can I determine a cap INT for the current level? Any formula? I have 179 at my 45 lvl. That’s on the low side. The int cap is a little over 7*level so at 45 it would be a little over 320. You should be able to break 280 with treasured, handcrafted and readily available items at that level. There are common 10ish int items in almost every slot at your level and don’t forget potions and rings, they make a big difference.

01-06-2006, 09:44 PM	#78
Generic123 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 285	Czorny wrote: What do you mean under "strike line"? A succession of nukes like BoF-Paralyze-FS one after another? Hmm... maybe this can be a problem too, coz I do use strike line of these nukes after root. I mean the plasma strike, flame strike, sunstrike line of spells. Don’t use them. The damage they do isn’t worth the number of root breaks they create and you end up wasting power rerooting the mob all the time. Stick to BoFL and Paralyze or possibly just BoFL.

01-06-2006, 11:03 PM	#79
Robsco Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 113	stacking roots mean if you have a single root and a group root... throw them both on the target. When the mob takes damage most of the time not both roots will break.

01-07-2006, 12:13 AM	#80
Czor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 36	Generic123 wrote: That’s on the low side. The int cap is a little over 7*level so at 45 it would be a little over 320. You should be able to break 280 with treasured, handcrafted and readily available items at that level. There are common 10ish int items in almost every slot at your level and don’t forget potions and rings, they make a big difference. OMG, I am a total wuss! Gotta spend all my money to armor now. Thnx for simple formula, I'll stick to it in the future.

01-07-2006, 12:15 AM	#81
Czor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 36	Robsco wrote: stacking roots mean if you have a single root and a group root... throw them both on the target. When the mob takes damage most of the time not both roots will break. Oh, I see. I thought they are equal and RoC is just a group version of Tether. Thnx a lot for the info!

01-07-2006, 01:46 AM	#82
Generic123 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 285	Robsco wrote: stacking roots mean if you have a single root and a group root... throw them both on the target. When the mob takes damage most of the time not both roots will break. This is unnecessary unless the mob is in close quarters, and can even work against you when the second root causes the first to break. Since the OP’s issue is going OOP, not keeping the mob rooted he should be single rooting and re-root only when his root breaks. Double rooting takes more power and will make things worse rather then better for him.

01-07-2006, 04:58 AM	#83
Robsco Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 113	I agree and disagree =) Depending on the wizards level if you use Ice comet and then incapiciate the mob will sometimes sprint froward before the knockback or even go to a area whre you can not cast on him. This makes rooting tough. If you stack your roots then the mob never sprints forward before the knockback kicks in. Tether has such a short recast that even if your group roots breaks it then jsut cast it again. If i am in close quarters you have to do it this way... Specially if your against a caster and need to fight it at poitn blank range yuo better stack your roots or you will die. I normally only stack my roots in small areas where their is lots of agro around... I dont see how it can make the problem worse though. Mana should not be a issue unless your soloing x2 stuff in which case i dont stack my roots. Thanks Robsco the Humble Gnome

01-07-2006, 04:53 PM	#84
NightGod473 Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 848	8 levels higher than you and nearly double the INT isn't that unusual. The 50+ gear is SO much better than the stuff that comes before it. That said, root+clicky wand will allow you to solo pretty much any yellow or below non-epic mob, assuming you don't mind spending 20+ minutes to do it and have a clear field to work in. __________________ Fluffy list

01-10-2006, 02:44 AM	#85
Damaan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	figwart (rare t5 cloth root) is 20g or sometimes less on my server. Make sure you have 12 int dolls in both charm slots and rare helm, pants, and bracer since they have int on them too (go for constructors or producers the non-linen versions since they have more) I believe. You should also look into a rare cloth neck and belt from a jeweler I am not sure, but think they have some int/power on them too. I would find an imbued ring of intelligence as well since even if it is non-rare the buff will help a ton. Finally I think wizzys get an int buff and I would make sure that is upgraded if possible. I hope this helps

01-10-2006, 03:13 AM	#86
Czor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 36	Damaan wrote: figwart (rare t5 cloth root) is 20g or sometimes less on my server. Make sure you have 12 int dolls in both charm slots and rare helm, pants, and bracer since they have int on them too (go for constructors or producers the non-linen versions since they have more) I believe. You should also look into a rare cloth neck and belt from a jeweler I am not sure, but think they have some int/power on them too. I would find an imbued ring of intelligence as well since even if it is non-rare the buff will help a ton. Finally I think wizzys get an int buff and I would make sure that is upgraded if possible. I hope this helps Now I have 2 dolls with 12+ INT, Stein of Moggok, best possible imbued wand, nice stuff in ranged slot and almost all pieces of armor with 10 INT boost each. Was able to raise my INT to 222 and I have NO idea how to make it at least 300 at my level. I can say that maximum INT you can get at middle 40s is 240-250 approx. No chance to get it higher - just no better gears. Didn't try to solo any heroics with my 3K power yet

01-10-2006, 03:23 AM	#87
Damaan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	Grats on the nice jump in int and power! I hope I was of some help and remember if things still get a little hard or tight you can get potions from an alchie. If you know one he may even make you some for free for 1st time xp or at least cost. There are power regen potions and int buff potions and they can be used from your inv slot like manastone can be now. They have a recast time, but the buffs last for 30 mins I believe. Sorry I am a little bit of a tradeskill ho so cannot help but [Removed for Content] the wares. (there are some nice totems to regen power out of combat for downtime also, but don't know the names)

01-10-2006, 03:54 AM	#88
IllusiveThoughts Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,311	Damaan wrote: (there are some nice totems to regen power out of combat for downtime also, but don't know the names) spirit of the bat t5 and spirit of the monkey t6 __________________ The wizards creed: __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ you will die, you will die often, you will die for no reason, you will die for a reason, you will die because soe wants you to die, did I mention you will die? Start getting used to it.

01-10-2006, 05:13 AM	#89
NightGod473 Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 848	For a neck, get a Necklace of Flowing Orbs if you don't already have it-dam thing is still almost impossible to replace until you get a Ro neck with FT. __________________ Fluffy list

01-10-2006, 12:50 PM	#90
Czor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 36	NightGod473 wrote:For a neck, get a Necklace of Flowing Orbs if you don't already have it-dam thing is still almost impossible to replace until you get a Ro neck with FT. For the nech, charm, chest, secondary weapon and some other slots I do have best stuff I can get on my level. And of coz I have NoFO