New Items Coming to Station Marketplace on 10-27-09 - Page 2

Rijacki · 10-27-2009, 06:17 PM

DominoDev wrote:

Good morning, folks!
I checked into the robe, and can confirm that it wasn't intended that this appearance was used on the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren when it changed recently. The actual appearance that the new look Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren should have is this:
...very similar, but with the gold leather look instead of the silver metal plate.
The correction is going to be hotfixed shortly. I hope that anyone who has already bought the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren robe still likes the intended appearance as shown above, and apologies for the error!

Frankly, I am disappointed the management or marketing at SOE thought this was a good idea (I'm pretty sure Domino had nothing to do with it but is merely the messenger).

If having the same graphic was a problem, the SC one should have been changed, not an item that has been in game for several months and for which players had to do in-game tasks in order to be able to gain enough faction to obtain.

No matter that the wrong graphic was assigned to it before, the timing of the change to it and bringing out an item for $$ that IS the same graphic players thought they were obtaining by in-game tasks only looks like a bait and switch.

So... what item in-game now is going to have its graphic removed at some time later so that graphic can be used on an SC or LoN item? That IS the message being sent here.

This is definitely a blunder and a PR nightmare.

For all those players who don't read the forums but got the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren for exactly the look it -had-, it will be even worse.

Cragger · 10-27-2009, 06:27 PM

I don't post much anymore because frankly I wholeheartedly feel it falls on deaf ears and is simply a waste of my time. Station Cash is turning Everquest 2 into a joke. A complete laughable joke at this point. Now you are pulling content (appearance and fashion is content even if labeled fluff by some.) that has been live for months because you just suddenly made it station cash. Sorry I don't buy this BS excuse for the lack of creativity in creating something new. The texture wouldn't have been in game for months if it was intended for station cash.

Shame on your sony, samn on you executives and producers. And shame on you for leaving those that had nothing to do with such a bad decision that actually care about this game and the community like Domino to be the face to take the backlash for your falacy.

wickermanuk · 10-27-2009, 06:54 PM

I dont have the words to express what a pathetic and disgusting mess this game is now becoming. At some point the greed has to stop and SOE needs to remember that without players you have nothing.

KerowynnKaotic · 10-27-2009, 08:02 PM

Ya know I've came to grips with the whole SC thing .. as far as it being in game and it providing certain fluff items and of course automated services, the furniture still rubs me wrong ... but ... I have to say this mess does nothing but hurt SC and SOE.

Why? Because it shows a very bad standard. It's already too common to acquire an item from raid,quest,drop, etc .. and have the stats nerfed to hell and back .. but .. at least it was a 'rare' occassion when an item Graphic would change and if it did it was usually done in such a manner that only the new items were affected.

Off hand I can only think of the SMR, (1) cloak whose name slips my mind, & of course the infamous "Blissful Awareness" that had their graphics completely changed after several months of it being whatever it was previously and now the Bloodlines?

What do they say? ... 1x is a chance, 2x is a coincidence, 3x is a conspiracy and more than 3x is a statistical fact ..

----

SOE should have left the Bloodline Robe alone, pulled the SC Robe from the roster and just tweaked it for next time. Not like there aren't already 'near identical twin' armor/house item graphics already in SC.

Bad Move SOE ...

Avianna · 10-27-2009, 08:26 PM

thanks for the new SC items but I would much prefere that our tailors were awarded a new recipie quest. update the game not SC or LoN. updating the game makes my enjoyment factor go up and the higher my enjoyment factor is the more friends I try to get on to eq2 with me and thus the more $15 per month subscriptions you get. As it stands I have to be honest with my friends and say "well the game is only 15 bucks a month but if you want any of the cool stuff you have to play this stupid card game to try and get the in game loot or spend station cash and that gets very expensive very fast. I think SOE can do better than SC get rid of it and work the game itself... make the game itself more rich than it already is and people will come I promise ( I know I am not the only one that would tell my friends). Don't get me wrong I know there are those of you who LOVE LoN and that's great I just personally feel that it should be a seperate game altogether. seporate the two and let us subscribe to one or both, the loot we could get from LoN should just be added to eq2 in the form of quests.

Yask · 10-27-2009, 09:17 PM

What a load of BS!

Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I don't post much anymore because frankly I wholeheartedly feel it falls on deaf ears and is simply a waste of my time. Station Cash is turning Everquest 2 into a joke. A complete laughable joke at this point. Now you are pulling content (appearance and fashion is content even if labeled fluff by some.) that has been live for months because you just suddenly made it station cash. Sorry I don't buy this BS excuse for the lack of creativity in creating something new. The texture wouldn't have been in game for months if it was intended for station cash.
Shame on your sony, samn on you executives and producers. And shame on you for leaving those that had nothing to do with such a bad decision that actually care about this game and the community like Domino to be the face to take the backlash for your falacy.

Everything this person says is true, and that makes me sad!!! SMILEY

Domino · 10-27-2009, 09:45 PM

Rijacki wrote:

Frankly, I am disappointed the management or marketing at SOE thought this was a good idea (I'm pretty sure Domino had nothing to do with it but is merely the messenger).

Actually, it's entirely my fault, and all I can do is apologize.

The Brethren ceremonial armor appearance was upgraded as a result of fan faire feedback - it changed with GU53 (yes, the current game update on 23 September, you can see the game update notes here). The new appearance has not yet been in game for a full update cycle. I was the one who upgraded the armor, because I definitely agreed with the person at Fan Faire who pointed out that the evil side armor looked much less nice than the good side (and was also mismatched). And hey, pretty outfits are good! Even for evil folks.

Unfortunately, the name of the appearance of the leather plated robe is only 1 (that's ONE) character different from the name of the metal plated robe. I should have used the leather for the evil side (I intentionally used the plate for the good side because a blue leather set already exists, in Tupta) but I didn't notice it was one character off.

I should also have noticed when the station wallet robe was planned, but again I missed it.

Normally for minor appearance goofs like this we'd just fix it and let it go in with the next regular game update instead of hotfixing it, but as this thread highlighted there was confusion and concern, I was able to ask for the change to be included in this week's hotfix to hopefully reduce that confusion.

So, while it might be nice to claim I'm just the messenger and blame Evil Forces of Conspiracy up above me, alas, this is not true, and I'm completely and fully the only person to blame here. I goofed, and I apologize. SMILEY

I shall be hanging out on Test server later this evening as usual, so if you feel the need to give me an earful about the error of my ways, I will be happy to apologize in person also!

/ashamed halfling

ke'la · 10-27-2009, 10:24 PM

Gage wrote:

Josgar@The Bazaar wrote:
Or they had a legitimate screw up...
Months ago that they just had to hotfix today which happens to be the same day the SC robe with the same graphic goes live.
That's pretty believable.
Since you're all about fixing "broken" robe graphics today Domino better fix this one too:
Afterall its from ToN and it has the "silver plate appearance with dragons" which obviously isn't intended. Hurry up and change it to some ugly blue/brown robe like you get from the Guk faction w/o the dragon overlays. I know you just hate for broken stuff to be in the game!
(besides, maybe you can use this blue/silver graphic for the next SC store update!)

Is it believable that they are just now finding out that it is the wrong graphic?

Lets see, it is from content that is FOUR YEARS OLD, that that majority of the popluation does not do, and the few that did either did it for the "Cloth" plate armor(from the other camp) or for the Vamp Master Strike, so it is not likly it was brought to there attention until now.

Gaige · 10-27-2009, 10:26 PM

kela wrote:

FOUR YEARS OLD

That got upgraded with GU53...

ke'la · 10-27-2009, 10:28 PM

Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I don't post much anymore because frankly I wholeheartedly feel it falls on deaf ears and is simply a waste of my time. Station Cash is turning Everquest 2 into a joke. A complete laughable joke at this point. Now you are pulling content (appearance and fashion is content even if labeled fluff by some.) that has been live for months because you just suddenly made it station cash. Sorry I don't buy this BS excuse for the lack of creativity in creating something new. The texture wouldn't have been in game for months if it was intended for station cash.
Shame on your sony, samn on you executives and producers. And shame on you for leaving those that had nothing to do with such a bad decision that actually care about this game and the community like Domino to be the face to take the backlash for your falacy.

You don't pay any attention to the Expainsion boards do you?

SENTANLS FATE textures... you know that expainsion coming in FEBRUARY have been in game sence about Mid-May, so YES they do download textures long befor they are put in.

Gaige · 10-27-2009, 10:42 PM

kela wrote:

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They mean IN USE on NUMEROUS other items. That graphic isn't unique, just the color. Which is why they should've just changed the color or the graphic on the SC item since players didn't have it yet, but we did already have the ToN faction robe.

Cragger · 10-28-2009, 03:44 AM

kela wrote:

You don't pay any attention to the Expainsion boards do you?
SENTANLS FATE textures... you know that expainsion coming in FEBRUARY have been in game sence about Mid-May, so YES they do download textures long befor they are put in.

1. Sentinal's Fate files being downloaded to your client directory does not make them accessible in game. So no nothing from Sentinal's Fate has been in game since Mid-May. But nice try on rewording what I said.. for.. brownie dev points or something. Have a cookie.

2. Gage covered the rest pretty much (+1 Gage for reading comprehension.)

Darkor · 10-28-2009, 06:02 AM

very bad move

MÃ¶rk · 10-28-2009, 06:11 AM

Personally, I feel these are the least consequential set of gripes i've heard on these boards in a long time. People's main VALID concern with Station Cash is that it could affect gameplay, which it seems is a distinct future possibility (what next? Class change potions doing the equivalent of a 4-hour+ Betrayal grind for $25?), so why the idea that the Devs can do as they wish with regards to the art designs THEY are putting up for sale, that they would ACCIDENTALLY have changed a graphic they would shortly after be charging money for and then correcting it, should cause such outrage is beyond me.

Besides, Shiny Metallic Robe has a similar look with a proper metallic finish to it, and it doesn't cost a thing!

Seidhkona · 10-28-2009, 09:35 AM

wickermanuk wrote:

I dont have the words to express what a pathetic and disgusting mess this game is now becoming. At some point the greed has to stop and SOE needs to remember that without players you have nothing.

Please everyone, stop this useless whining. Station Cash and LON *do* raise money for SOE. You are not REQUIRED to buy this stuff.

Because SOE has the additional funds, that means they can pay salaries and pay for R&D and pay for new production of storylines and all that stuff that makes the core game what we love.

Don't kvetch [and you know kvetch isn't the word I want to use here, it's just a pale pallid shadow of what I would really like to say] about any way that SOE raises money that is not compulsory for you to pay. The people who DO want to pay for these items are supporting YOU, by helping fund the real-world business that is SOE.

Remember, if SOE doesn't have enough money, like any software company in a recession economy they could be laying off staff, limiting new development, or even shut down the whole game. Instead, we WANT them to have whatever revenue streams they can come up with!!! If they make money via Station Cash, then they don't -- for instance -- have to raise our monthly subscription rates to fund their normal operating costs.

If you like the game, you pay to support it. So be grateful for SC and LON, they help make the world of Norrath financially stronger and keep it running for the rest of us, whether we buy those products or not.

And, Miz Domino, I still want your art team to consider selling textures and models for Poser and DAZ-3D. I would pay $10-$15 per model to get real EQ2 art for my personal 3-D character art! More ways to raise money and support the game I love!

Ahlana · 10-28-2009, 10:00 AM

Ahlana wrote:

Gaftep@Everfrost wrote:
Why would anyone pay for that robe? (Not that it isnt nice looking, I already have one). You can buy it from the Tomb of Night merchant (Evil side in Nek in forest) for under 1 gold. Just saying.
There is a plate covered robe there? And if there is... it won't be now :p (I kid I kid... kinda)

OMG I SOOOO CALLED IT.....

Ikke · 10-30-2009, 02:59 AM

DominoDev wrote:

Good morning, folks!
I checked into the robe, and can confirm that it wasn't intended that this appearance was used on the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren when it changed recently. The actual appearance that the new look Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren should have is this:
...very similar, but with the gold leather look instead of the silver metal plate.
The correction is going to be hotfixed shortly. I hope that anyone who has already bought the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren robe still likes the intended appearance as shown above, and apologies for the error!

Totally off topic but:

Did you notice that this halfling can fly? She is floating above the ground! Bug or feature?

Tamar · 10-30-2009, 05:11 PM

Gaige wrote:

DominoDev wrote:
Good morning, folks!
I checked into the robe, and can confirm that it wasn't intended that this appearance was used on the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren when it changed recently. The actual appearance that the new look Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren should have is this:
...very similar, but with the gold leather look instead of the silver metal plate.
The correction is going to be hotfixed shortly. I hope that anyone who has already bought the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren robe still likes the intended appearance as shown above, and apologies for the error!
I KNEW THAT YOU GUYS WOULD DO THIS WHEN YOU FOUND OUT THAT THE STATION CASH ROBE HAD THE SAME GRAPHIC. GOD I HATE HOW MONEY GRUBBING SOE HAS BECOME. THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
You need to keep the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren AS IS with the silver and dragons and you need to change the appearance of the Station Cash robe. Anything else is complete BS and you know it.
You're ONLY changing the appearance of this robe now because you know it will cut into sales of the Station Cash robe, and that is shady as hell.

This. ^^^

It is both hilarious and repulsive that you think doing this is anything short of shady.

1.) Put up a cool robe for sale on Smed Mart.

2.) Realize that a robe in game that looks like it can be bought in game for 1g.

3.) ???

4.) Profit!!!

Seems you folks really figured a way to fill in the blank.

Gaige · 11-03-2009, 04:44 AM

Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:

Because SOE has the additional funds, that means they can pay salaries and pay for R&D and pay for new production of storylines and all that stuff that makes the core game what we love.
Remember, if SOE doesn't have enough money, like any software company in a recession economy they could be laying off staff, limiting new development, or even shut down the whole game.

Right, because for the 4 years before LoN/SC went live they didn't produce any new storylines or any of the "stuff that makes the core game what we love". Actually we USED to get a GU every month with free content, its only been AFTER all this supposed additional revenue that things became delayed or outright moved from free to pay to play. Just saying.

Also, they already are laying off staff, limiting new development and running EQ2 with a bare minimum team while all the attention goes on their new titles.

Silverzx · 11-03-2009, 11:29 AM

Gaige wrote:

Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:
Because SOE has the additional funds, that means they can pay salaries and pay for R&D and pay for new production of storylines and all that stuff that makes the core game what we love.
Remember, if SOE doesn't have enough money, like any software company in a recession economy they could be laying off staff, limiting new development, or even shut down the whole game.
Right, because for the 4 years before LoN/SC went live they didn't produce any new storylines or any of the "stuff that makes the core game what we love". Actually we USED to get a GU every month with free content, its only been AFTER all this supposed additional revenue that things became delayed or outright moved from free to pay to play. Just saying.
Also, they already are laying off staff, limiting new development and running EQ2 with a bare minimum team while all the attention goes on their new titles.

you do know that the game "4 years before LON/SC went live" had alot more players hence monthly subscription income right?

Gaige · 11-03-2009, 01:53 PM

Silverzx wrote:

you do know that the game "4 years before LON/SC went live" had alot more players hence monthly subscription income right?

No, I don't know that and neither do you. SOE doesn't release their subscription numbers. If we assume this game has 75,000 subscribers at the moment then its generating $1,124,250 per month - if you're honestly trying to tell me that isn't enough to get the same monthly GUs we used to get instead of putting almost everything new and worthwhile on LoN/SC, I simply do not agree.

RiverNav81 · 11-03-2009, 02:12 PM

Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:

wickermanuk wrote:
I dont have the words to express what a pathetic and disgusting mess this game is now becoming. At some point the greed has to stop and SOE needs to remember that without players you have nothing.
Please everyone, stop this useless whining. Station Cash and LON *do* raise money for SOE. You are not REQUIRED to buy this stuff.
Because SOE has the additional funds, that means they can pay salaries and pay for R&D and pay for new production of storylines and all that stuff that makes the core game what we love.
Don't kvetch [and you know kvetch isn't the word I want to use here, it's just a pale pallid shadow of what I would really like to say] about any way that SOE raises money that is not compulsory for you to pay. The people who DO want to pay for these items are supporting YOU, by helping fund the real-world business that is SOE.
Remember, if SOE doesn't have enough money, like any software company in a recession economy they could be laying off staff, limiting new development, or even shut down the whole game. Instead, we WANT them to have whatever revenue streams they can come up with!!! If they make money via Station Cash, then they don't -- for instance -- have to raise our monthly subscription rates to fund their normal operating costs.
If you like the game, you pay to support it. So be grateful for SC and LON, they help make the world of Norrath financially stronger and keep it running for the rest of us, whether we buy those products or not.
And, Miz Domino, I still want your art team to consider selling textures and models for Poser and DAZ-3D. I would pay $10-$15 per model to get real EQ2 art for my personal 3-D character art! More ways to raise money and support the game I love!

I'd be more grateful for some decent advertising and more attention payed to fixing broken content and memory leaks. To me, these things seem a bit more important than adding RMT content and maintaining a card game, and would be more lucrative in the long run to SOE than nickle and diming their shrinking player base.

Why is it that there really has been no focus on picking up new subscribers, or keeping the ones they've got? Sure, there was that program that urged the player base to pitch the game to friends, but I don't believe I've ever seen an ad for EQ2 except when surfing gaming sites.

And an example of the selection of retail EQ2 boxes in mid TN:

Hastings: Base EQ2 in collectors tin, RoK

BestBuy: RoK

Walmart: None

Target: None

EBGames:None

Gamestop:RoK

GameTrader:EoF, RoK

This was 3 months after the release of The Shadow Odyssey, and I travel the area for a living so I stopped at multiple locations of each of these stores... 6 BestBuys and no TSO. That's just sad.

But the point I'm trying to make is that the actual game is falling by the wayside to make room for LoN and SC. Money spent on these two things would be better spent on ads to entice more people to play, and on fixing/maintaining/adding content to the base game to keep current subscribers happy and paying.

"I know that this is a development that many are not going to be pleased with." -Kiara on an LoN update

"Believe me that I understand your displeasure with this." -Kiara -same context as previous

"Some of you want to know if the San Diego team worked on this, darn right we did. We ain't letting those Denver guys monkey around in our game. *wink* It was accounted for in our scheduling and did not cause anything else to shift, move, drop or delay. It is definately not why the expansion is in February." -Brenlo on an LoN update

So, as we can see, time that could be used to fix things is instead used to add things. And just look at all these nice unique items...just what everyone has been asking for since year one...except you have to open your wallet for them.

But at least SC and LoN aren't full of bugs like the base game, THANK GOD.

10-27-2009, 06:17 PM	#31
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	DominoDev wrote: Good morning, folks! I checked into the robe, and can confirm that it wasn't intended that this appearance was used on the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren when it changed recently. The actual appearance that the new look Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren should have is this: ...very similar, but with the gold leather look instead of the silver metal plate. The correction is going to be hotfixed shortly. I hope that anyone who has already bought the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren robe still likes the intended appearance as shown above, and apologies for the error! Frankly, I am disappointed the management or marketing at SOE thought this was a good idea (I'm pretty sure Domino had nothing to do with it but is merely the messenger). If having the same graphic was a problem, the SC one should have been changed, not an item that has been in game for several months and for which players had to do in-game tasks in order to be able to gain enough faction to obtain. No matter that the wrong graphic was assigned to it before, the timing of the change to it and bringing out an item for $$ that IS the same graphic players thought they were obtaining by in-game tasks only looks like a bait and switch. So... what item in-game now is going to have its graphic removed at some time later so that graphic can be used on an SC or LoN item? That IS the message being sent here. This is definitely a blunder and a PR nightmare. For all those players who don't read the forums but got the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren for exactly the look it -had-, it will be even worse. __________________

10-27-2009, 06:27 PM	#32
Cragger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 253	I don't post much anymore because frankly I wholeheartedly feel it falls on deaf ears and is simply a waste of my time. Station Cash is turning Everquest 2 into a joke. A complete laughable joke at this point. Now you are pulling content (appearance and fashion is content even if labeled fluff by some.) that has been live for months because you just suddenly made it station cash. Sorry I don't buy this BS excuse for the lack of creativity in creating something new. The texture wouldn't have been in game for months if it was intended for station cash. Shame on your sony, samn on you executives and producers. And shame on you for leaving those that had nothing to do with such a bad decision that actually care about this game and the community like Domino to be the face to take the backlash for your falacy. __________________

10-27-2009, 08:02 PM	#34
KerowynnKaotic Tormentor of Fae Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Middle of Nowhere, Arizona Posts: 1,862	Ya know I've came to grips with the whole SC thing .. as far as it being in game and it providing certain fluff items and of course automated services, the furniture still rubs me wrong ... but ... I have to say this mess does nothing but hurt SC and SOE. Why? Because it shows a very bad standard. It's already too common to acquire an item from raid,quest,drop, etc .. and have the stats nerfed to hell and back .. but .. at least it was a 'rare' occassion when an item Graphic would change and if it did it was usually done in such a manner that only the new items were affected. Off hand I can only think of the SMR, (1) cloak whose name slips my mind, & of course the infamous "Blissful Awareness" that had their graphics completely changed after several months of it being whatever it was previously and now the Bloodlines? What do they say? ... 1x is a chance, 2x is a coincidence, 3x is a conspiracy and more than 3x is a statistical fact .. ---- SOE should have left the Bloodline Robe alone, pulled the SC Robe from the roster and just tweaked it for next time. Not like there aren't already 'near identical twin' armor/house item graphics already in SC. Bad Move SOE ... __________________

10-27-2009, 08:26 PM	#35
Avianna Server: Butcherblock Guild: Ronin Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Posts: 435	thanks for the new SC items but I would much prefere that our tailors were awarded a new recipie quest. update the game not SC or LoN. updating the game makes my enjoyment factor go up and the higher my enjoyment factor is the more friends I try to get on to eq2 with me and thus the more $15 per month subscriptions you get. As it stands I have to be honest with my friends and say "well the game is only 15 bucks a month but if you want any of the cool stuff you have to play this stupid card game to try and get the in game loot or spend station cash and that gets very expensive very fast. I think SOE can do better than SC get rid of it and work the game itself... make the game itself more rich than it already is and people will come I promise ( I know I am not the only one that would tell my friends). Don't get me wrong I know there are those of you who LOVE LoN and that's great I just personally feel that it should be a seperate game altogether. seporate the two and let us subscribe to one or both, the loot we could get from LoN should just be added to eq2 in the form of quests. __________________

10-27-2009, 09:17 PM	#36
Yask General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 115	What a load of BS! Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote: I don't post much anymore because frankly I wholeheartedly feel it falls on deaf ears and is simply a waste of my time. Station Cash is turning Everquest 2 into a joke. A complete laughable joke at this point. Now you are pulling content (appearance and fashion is content even if labeled fluff by some.) that has been live for months because you just suddenly made it station cash. Sorry I don't buy this BS excuse for the lack of creativity in creating something new. The texture wouldn't have been in game for months if it was intended for station cash. Shame on your sony, samn on you executives and producers. And shame on you for leaving those that had nothing to do with such a bad decision that actually care about this game and the community like Domino to be the face to take the backlash for your falacy. Everything this person says is true, and that makes me sad!!! __________________

10-27-2009, 06:54 PM	#33
wickermanuk Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 141	I dont have the words to express what a pathetic and disgusting mess this game is now becoming. At some point the greed has to stop and SOE needs to remember that without players you have nothing.

10-27-2009, 09:45 PM	#37
Domino Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,046	Rijacki wrote: Frankly, I am disappointed the management or marketing at SOE thought this was a good idea (I'm pretty sure Domino had nothing to do with it but is merely the messenger). Actually, it's entirely my fault, and all I can do is apologize. The Brethren ceremonial armor appearance was upgraded as a result of fan faire feedback - it changed with GU53 (yes, the current game update on 23 September, you can see the game update notes here). The new appearance has not yet been in game for a full update cycle. I was the one who upgraded the armor, because I definitely agreed with the person at Fan Faire who pointed out that the evil side armor looked much less nice than the good side (and was also mismatched). And hey, pretty outfits are good! Even for evil folks. Unfortunately, the name of the appearance of the leather plated robe is only 1 (that's ONE) character different from the name of the metal plated robe. I should have used the leather for the evil side (I intentionally used the plate for the good side because a blue leather set already exists, in Tupta) but I didn't notice it was one character off. I should also have noticed when the station wallet robe was planned, but again I missed it. Normally for minor appearance goofs like this we'd just fix it and let it go in with the next regular game update instead of hotfixing it, but as this thread highlighted there was confusion and concern, I was able to ask for the change to be included in this week's hotfix to hopefully reduce that confusion. So, while it might be nice to claim I'm just the messenger and blame Evil Forces of Conspiracy up above me, alas, this is not true, and I'm completely and fully the only person to blame here. I goofed, and I apologize. I shall be hanging out on Test server later this evening as usual, so if you feel the need to give me an earful about the error of my ways, I will be happy to apologize in person also! /ashamed halfling

10-27-2009, 10:24 PM	#38
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	Gage wrote: Josgar@The Bazaar wrote: Or they had a legitimate screw up... Months ago that they just had to hotfix today which happens to be the same day the SC robe with the same graphic goes live. That's pretty believable. Since you're all about fixing "broken" robe graphics today Domino better fix this one too: Afterall its from ToN and it has the "silver plate appearance with dragons" which obviously isn't intended. Hurry up and change it to some ugly blue/brown robe like you get from the Guk faction w/o the dragon overlays. I know you just hate for broken stuff to be in the game! (besides, maybe you can use this blue/silver graphic for the next SC store update!) Is it believable that they are just now finding out that it is the wrong graphic? Lets see, it is from content that is FOUR YEARS OLD, that that majority of the popluation does not do, and the few that did either did it for the "Cloth" plate armor(from the other camp) or for the Vamp Master Strike, so it is not likly it was brought to there attention until now. __________________

10-27-2009, 10:26 PM	#39
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	kela wrote: FOUR YEARS OLD That got upgraded with GU53... __________________

10-27-2009, 10:28 PM	#40
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote: I don't post much anymore because frankly I wholeheartedly feel it falls on deaf ears and is simply a waste of my time. Station Cash is turning Everquest 2 into a joke. A complete laughable joke at this point. Now you are pulling content (appearance and fashion is content even if labeled fluff by some.) that has been live for months because you just suddenly made it station cash. Sorry I don't buy this BS excuse for the lack of creativity in creating something new. The texture wouldn't have been in game for months if it was intended for station cash. Shame on your sony, samn on you executives and producers. And shame on you for leaving those that had nothing to do with such a bad decision that actually care about this game and the community like Domino to be the face to take the backlash for your falacy. You don't pay any attention to the Expainsion boards do you? SENTANLS FATE textures... you know that expainsion coming in FEBRUARY have been in game sence about Mid-May, so YES they do download textures long befor they are put in. __________________

10-27-2009, 10:42 PM	#41
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	kela wrote: ... They mean IN USE on NUMEROUS other items. That graphic isn't unique, just the color. Which is why they should've just changed the color or the graphic on the SC item since players didn't have it yet, but we did already have the ToN faction robe. __________________

10-28-2009, 03:44 AM	#42
Cragger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 253	kela wrote: You don't pay any attention to the Expainsion boards do you? SENTANLS FATE textures... you know that expainsion coming in FEBRUARY have been in game sence about Mid-May, so YES they do download textures long befor they are put in. 1. Sentinal's Fate files being downloaded to your client directory does not make them accessible in game. So no nothing from Sentinal's Fate has been in game since Mid-May. But nice try on rewording what I said.. for.. brownie dev points or something. Have a cookie. 2. Gage covered the rest pretty much (+1 Gage for reading comprehension.) __________________

10-28-2009, 06:02 AM	#43
Darkor Server: Nagafen Guild: Nexus Rank: Ancient and Mummified Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 1,957	very bad move __________________ Steal 90 Assassin Darkor 90 Swashbuckler Daerkin 90 Shadowknight Daerkor 90 Templar Ajjantis 90 Warden Melodic 90 Dirge Dayo 90 Monk Rasiel 88 Conjuror Razyeel 70 Wizard Biyon 65 Beastlord

10-28-2009, 06:11 AM	#44
MÃ¶rk Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 220	Personally, I feel these are the least consequential set of gripes i've heard on these boards in a long time. People's main VALID concern with Station Cash is that it could affect gameplay, which it seems is a distinct future possibility (what next? Class change potions doing the equivalent of a 4-hour+ Betrayal grind for $25?), so why the idea that the Devs can do as they wish with regards to the art designs THEY are putting up for sale, that they would ACCIDENTALLY have changed a graphic they would shortly after be charging money for and then correcting it, should cause such outrage is beyond me. Besides, Shiny Metallic Robe has a similar look with a proper metallic finish to it, and it doesn't cost a thing! __________________

10-28-2009, 09:35 AM	#45
Seidhkona Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,115	wickermanuk wrote: I dont have the words to express what a pathetic and disgusting mess this game is now becoming. At some point the greed has to stop and SOE needs to remember that without players you have nothing. Please everyone, stop this useless whining. Station Cash and LON do raise money for SOE. You are not REQUIRED to buy this stuff. Because SOE has the additional funds, that means they can pay salaries and pay for R&D and pay for new production of storylines and all that stuff that makes the core game what we love. Don't kvetch [and you know kvetch isn't the word I want to use here, it's just a pale pallid shadow of what I would really like to say] about any way that SOE raises money that is not compulsory for you to pay. The people who DO want to pay for these items are supporting YOU, by helping fund the real-world business that is SOE. Remember, if SOE doesn't have enough money, like any software company in a recession economy they could be laying off staff, limiting new development, or even shut down the whole game. Instead, we WANT them to have whatever revenue streams they can come up with!!! If they make money via Station Cash, then they don't -- for instance -- have to raise our monthly subscription rates to fund their normal operating costs. If you like the game, you pay to support it. So be grateful for SC and LON, they help make the world of Norrath financially stronger and keep it running for the rest of us, whether we buy those products or not. And, Miz Domino, I still want your art team to consider selling textures and models for Poser and DAZ-3D. I would pay $10-$15 per model to get real EQ2 art for my personal 3-D character art! More ways to raise money and support the game I love! __________________

10-28-2009, 10:00 AM	#46
Ahlana Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,238	Ahlana wrote: Gaftep@Everfrost wrote: Why would anyone pay for that robe? (Not that it isnt nice looking, I already have one). You can buy it from the Tomb of Night merchant (Evil side in Nek in forest) for under 1 gold. Just saying. There is a plate covered robe there? And if there is... it won't be now :p (I kid I kid... kinda) OMG I SOOOO CALLED IT..... __________________

10-30-2009, 02:59 AM	#47
Ikke Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Utrecht, the Netherlands Posts: 95	DominoDev wrote: Good morning, folks! I checked into the robe, and can confirm that it wasn't intended that this appearance was used on the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren when it changed recently. The actual appearance that the new look Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren should have is this: ...very similar, but with the gold leather look instead of the silver metal plate. The correction is going to be hotfixed shortly. I hope that anyone who has already bought the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren robe still likes the intended appearance as shown above, and apologies for the error! Totally off topic but: Did you notice that this halfling can fly? She is floating above the ground! Bug or feature? __________________

10-30-2009, 05:11 PM	#48
Tamar General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 168	Gaige wrote: DominoDev wrote: Good morning, folks! I checked into the robe, and can confirm that it wasn't intended that this appearance was used on the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren when it changed recently. The actual appearance that the new look Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren should have is this: ...very similar, but with the gold leather look instead of the silver metal plate. The correction is going to be hotfixed shortly. I hope that anyone who has already bought the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren robe still likes the intended appearance as shown above, and apologies for the error! I KNEW THAT YOU GUYS WOULD DO THIS WHEN YOU FOUND OUT THAT THE STATION CASH ROBE HAD THE SAME GRAPHIC. GOD I HATE HOW MONEY GRUBBING SOE HAS BECOME. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. You need to keep the Ceremonial Robe of the Brethren AS IS with the silver and dragons and you need to change the appearance of the Station Cash robe. Anything else is complete BS and you know it. You're ONLY changing the appearance of this robe now because you know it will cut into sales of the Station Cash robe, and that is shady as hell. This. ^^^ It is both hilarious and repulsive that you think doing this is anything short of shady. 1.) Put up a cool robe for sale on Smed Mart. 2.) Realize that a robe in game that looks like it can be bought in game for 1g. 3.) ??? 4.) Profit!!! Seems you folks really figured a way to fill in the blank.

11-03-2009, 04:44 AM	#49
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote: Because SOE has the additional funds, that means they can pay salaries and pay for R&D and pay for new production of storylines and all that stuff that makes the core game what we love. Remember, if SOE doesn't have enough money, like any software company in a recession economy they could be laying off staff, limiting new development, or even shut down the whole game. Right, because for the 4 years before LoN/SC went live they didn't produce any new storylines or any of the "stuff that makes the core game what we love". Actually we USED to get a GU every month with free content, its only been AFTER all this supposed additional revenue that things became delayed or outright moved from free to pay to play. Just saying. Also, they already are laying off staff, limiting new development and running EQ2 with a bare minimum team while all the attention goes on their new titles. __________________

11-03-2009, 11:29 AM	#50
Silverzx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 282	Gaige wrote: Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote: Because SOE has the additional funds, that means they can pay salaries and pay for R&D and pay for new production of storylines and all that stuff that makes the core game what we love. Remember, if SOE doesn't have enough money, like any software company in a recession economy they could be laying off staff, limiting new development, or even shut down the whole game. Right, because for the 4 years before LoN/SC went live they didn't produce any new storylines or any of the "stuff that makes the core game what we love". Actually we USED to get a GU every month with free content, its only been AFTER all this supposed additional revenue that things became delayed or outright moved from free to pay to play. Just saying. Also, they already are laying off staff, limiting new development and running EQ2 with a bare minimum team while all the attention goes on their new titles. you do know that the game "4 years before LON/SC went live" had alot more players hence monthly subscription income right?

11-03-2009, 01:53 PM	#51
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Silverzx wrote: you do know that the game "4 years before LON/SC went live" had alot more players hence monthly subscription income right? No, I don't know that and neither do you. SOE doesn't release their subscription numbers. If we assume this game has 75,000 subscribers at the moment then its generating $1,124,250 per month - if you're honestly trying to tell me that isn't enough to get the same monthly GUs we used to get instead of putting almost everything new and worthwhile on LoN/SC, I simply do not agree. __________________

11-03-2009, 02:12 PM	#52
RiverNav81 Loremaster Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 20	Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote: wickermanuk wrote: I dont have the words to express what a pathetic and disgusting mess this game is now becoming. At some point the greed has to stop and SOE needs to remember that without players you have nothing. Please everyone, stop this useless whining. Station Cash and LON do raise money for SOE. You are not REQUIRED to buy this stuff. Because SOE has the additional funds, that means they can pay salaries and pay for R&D and pay for new production of storylines and all that stuff that makes the core game what we love. Don't kvetch [and you know kvetch isn't the word I want to use here, it's just a pale pallid shadow of what I would really like to say] about any way that SOE raises money that is not compulsory for you to pay. The people who DO want to pay for these items are supporting YOU, by helping fund the real-world business that is SOE. Remember, if SOE doesn't have enough money, like any software company in a recession economy they could be laying off staff, limiting new development, or even shut down the whole game. Instead, we WANT them to have whatever revenue streams they can come up with!!! If they make money via Station Cash, then they don't -- for instance -- have to raise our monthly subscription rates to fund their normal operating costs. If you like the game, you pay to support it. So be grateful for SC and LON, they help make the world of Norrath financially stronger and keep it running for the rest of us, whether we buy those products or not. And, Miz Domino, I still want your art team to consider selling textures and models for Poser and DAZ-3D. I would pay $10-$15 per model to get real EQ2 art for my personal 3-D character art! More ways to raise money and support the game I love! I'd be more grateful for some decent advertising and more attention payed to fixing broken content and memory leaks. To me, these things seem a bit more important than adding RMT content and maintaining a card game, and would be more lucrative in the long run to SOE than nickle and diming their shrinking player base. Why is it that there really has been no focus on picking up new subscribers, or keeping the ones they've got? Sure, there was that program that urged the player base to pitch the game to friends, but I don't believe I've ever seen an ad for EQ2 except when surfing gaming sites. And an example of the selection of retail EQ2 boxes in mid TN: Hastings: Base EQ2 in collectors tin, RoK BestBuy: RoK Walmart: None Target: None EBGames:None Gamestop:RoK GameTrader:EoF, RoK This was 3 months after the release of The Shadow Odyssey, and I travel the area for a living so I stopped at multiple locations of each of these stores... 6 BestBuys and no TSO. That's just sad. But the point I'm trying to make is that the actual game is falling by the wayside to make room for LoN and SC. Money spent on these two things would be better spent on ads to entice more people to play, and on fixing/maintaining/adding content to the base game to keep current subscribers happy and paying. "I know that this is a development that many are not going to be pleased with." -Kiara on an LoN update "Believe me that I understand your displeasure with this." -Kiara -same context as previous "Some of you want to know if the San Diego team worked on this, darn right we did. We ain't letting those Denver guys monkey around in our game. wink It was accounted for in our scheduling and did not cause anything else to shift, move, drop or delay. It is definately not why the expansion is in February." -Brenlo on an LoN update So, as we can see, time that could be used to fix things is instead used to add things. And just look at all these nice unique items...just what everyone has been asking for since year one...except you have to open your wallet for them. But at least SC and LoN aren't full of bugs like the base game, THANK GOD.