Exiles and shared banks, heirloom tag means nothing

[Noaani]

Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:

Pail@Venekor wrote:

This is why you bluebies

Maybe if you quit calling people "bluebies", while explicitly whining about a PvE issue, people might actually take you seriously.

Not likely tbh. This thread is well past any traces of seriousness.

[Noaani]

Cigam@Venekor wrote:

Wow some bored troll comes in and tries to pickon a topic that doesnt concern him is kinda funny.  Go back to your "Normal" server boards... oh wait no one posts there do they?

We are asking a question that concerns PVP servers... nothing to do with the Blue servers.  It is an game play issue that affects PVP servers more than any else.  Have a nice day.

You want to join in on the whole PvE is too hard thing now as well?

You do realise, that is essentially what this is about, right? People chosing exile faction on a PvE server specifically for the PvP it offers, and then complaining about PvE gear for their alts...

Wait... I'll be right back when I stop this laughing fit I've got going on here.

Edit: "Exile PvP, where we hid from others in instances to gear up our alts!", awesome slogan guys!

[DngrMou]

Cigam@Venekor wrote:

Wow some bored troll comes in and tries to pickon a topic that doesnt concern him is kinda funny.  Go back to your "Normal" server boards... oh wait no one posts there do they?

We are asking a question that concerns PVP servers... nothing to do with the Blue servers.  It is an game play issue that affects PVP servers more than any else.  Have a nice day.

Excuse me there, Einstein.  But this is the general gameplay forum.  If you non 'bluebies' want to ask questions about PvP specific issues, there is a better forum for it.

[liveja]

Cigam@Venekor wrote:

We are asking a question that concerns PVP servers... nothing to do with the Blue servers. 

Then post it on the PvP forums, where it belongs. This is NOT a "general gameplay issue", no matter how much your guildie wants to claim otherwise.

Gosh, if you guys had done that to begin with, the only flak you'd be getting would be from OTHER PVPERS, some of whom would almost certainly call you a bunch of whiny little gits for crying about PvE issues.

[Konahito]

Wow, the knives are sure sharp today.  Did the long weekend not give everyone enough time to fight ingame that you had to bring it to the boards instead?

Whatever the debate, the personal insults and attacks need to stop here on the forums.

Thanks.

[Kordran]

Noaani wrote:

"Exile PvP, where we hid from others in instances to gear up our alts!", awesome slogan guys!

ROFL. I would like to thank you for my morning chuckle.

[CrazyMoogle]

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Dont give me this Lore BS all factions can have all classes now so thats all crap. 

troll more

If all factions can have all classes then why not just pick a city and join up?

[Amise]

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Aldelbert wrote:

Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:

Noaani wrote:

Seriously, if PvE issues are an issue to you, rethink the faction and server you are playing on.

Isn't it hilarious, watching PvP players whining about PvE issues while calling other people "bluebies"?

Yes it is.  EQ2 PVP is pretty [Removed for Content] tame compared to other MMOs like EVE, UO, or Rallos Zek EQ1 PVP so I always have a good laugh at people who think they're so pro playing PVP in a game that wasn't designed for PVP in the first place.  EQ2 never had a PVP server at first and had to muck up a few servers with a bandaid ruleset to keep the "pwners" crowd happy.

Here's a tip: If you want to actually impress people with your video game skills, try manning up and playing some real compeitive games like Street Fighter, Tekken, Starcraft, or FPS games and get into some tournies and win.  My buddy recently won a local tourney and pocketed $250.  He actually has respect IRL and money now compared to some of the PVPers I see in EQ2 who's only lick of satisfaction after they make a kill is their mother telling them to stop the noise in the basement.

Pro tip #2 the topic is about not having shared banks for exiled players, either make a point about it or [Removed for Content].

You're exiled. You don't get the advantages of city affiliation because you are not affiliated with a city.

It's so funny that you're getting all aggressive and calling everyone else bluebies while crying about how you want all the advantages of being exiled, with none of the disadvantages.

[Rahatmattata]

Pail@Venekor wrote:

why is it exiles and there alts arent allowed the use of shared banks?

Because they are exiles.

[Guy De Alsace]

Rahatmattata wrote:

Pail@Venekor wrote:

why is it exiles and there alts arent allowed the use of shared banks?

Because they are exiles.

Your logic skill increased (399/400)

Funny thread....chuckleicious....

[Oh]

Cigam@Venekor wrote:

We are asking a question that concerns PVP servers...

Wow we actually agree, MODS please move this thread to the appropriate forum, this is OBVIOUSLY NOT A PVE issue.

[Leko]

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Hmmm this is a good question, why is it exiles and there alts arent allowed the use of shared banks?

With the Heirloom changes, guess what good that does?

Plz allow everyone the use of this change.

 

Exiles should get nothing but a hole in the ground to sleep in. That is all. No more. No less. You want anything else find a city to live in.

[Legion2024]

LoL exile "haven" should never been in the game in the first place, they should have nothing but a mender in CL and Ant with a bank next to them, the EXILE system has stuffed the game in a lot of ways, sure i came from a blue server but then again so did nearly all of you who started playing from the start, i left PvE becase raiding with all class was to easy back then, so i came over for the challange with only having the 18 classes, but a hand full of people complained and guess what....? SOE caved in. The fractions in the game should have been left alone, and if you exile you EXILE thats is a up to you.

SOE STOP MAKING CHANGES TO YOUR GAME AT TEH WHIM OF THE PLAYER BASE, SOE ITS YOUR GAME.

if people cant handle your game thats fine, its not like you are trying to compete with the rest of the mmo makers is it now.

Funny thing is now all the people that posteded in the the Exile amenitys posts way back then nolonger play the game, kinda ironic isnt it

just my 2c

[Natthan]

Annara@Najena wrote:

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Dont give me this Lore BS all factions can have all classes now so thats all crap. 

troll more

If all factions can have all classes then why not just pick a city and join up?

The major thing is, For so long on PvP Servers the only truely viable way to raid effectively was to exile, So many guilds took the leap and exiled which is a delicate thing. Then upon having all classes they were plenty more successful at raiding. They later added all classes to the cities which made exiling for the intent of being able to raid nul. If the exiled raid guilds go back to the city now it means loosing all their master which as a hardcore raid guild is about 80-90% masters for every person because they later changed the mechanics to totally screw over a huge decision which has torn many guilds on PvP Servers apart. Exiles still suffer the inability to attain PvP gear, A good amount of the mounts (Not that bad, but still), and with all classes available in the cities suffer a harder time recruiting too. This is why.

[Legion2024]

Natthan@Venekor wrote:

Annara@Najena wrote:

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Dont give me this Lore BS all factions can have all classes now so thats all crap. 

troll more

If all factions can have all classes then why not just pick a city and join up?

The major thing is, For so long on PvP Servers the only truely viable way to raid effectively was to exile, So many guilds took the leap and exiled which is a delicate thing. Then upon having all classes they were plenty more successful at raiding. They later added all classes to the cities which made exiling for the intent of being able to raid nul. If the exiled raid guilds go back to the city now it means loosing all their master which as a hardcore raid guild is about 80-90% masters for every person because they later changed the mechanics to totally screw over a huge decision which has torn many guilds on PvP Servers apart. Exiles still suffer the inability to attain PvP gear, A good amount of the mounts (Not that bad, but still), and with all classes available in the cities suffer a harder time recruiting too. This is why.

"the only true viable way", raiding on a pvp server is ment to be 100xs harder the classes the diffent strats, this goes back to a point that was made long ago, that the so called hardcore guilds could not raid like they could on pve SO lets makes complants and get SOE to change it, instead of workign though it and doign the hard times, there is nothing like killing a mob with what you have access to in class wise, but then again the so called hardcore guilds could not handle it they wanted progression there and then, and nothing else mattered, it all makes a mockery of what pve servers are doing.

[Natthan]

Legion2024 wrote:

Natthan@Venekor wrote:

Annara@Najena wrote:

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Dont give me this Lore BS all factions can have all classes now so thats all crap. 

troll more

If all factions can have all classes then why not just pick a city and join up?

The major thing is, For so long on PvP Servers the only truely viable way to raid effectively was to exile, So many guilds took the leap and exiled which is a delicate thing. Then upon having all classes they were plenty more successful at raiding. They later added all classes to the cities which made exiling for the intent of being able to raid nul. If the exiled raid guilds go back to the city now it means loosing all their master which as a hardcore raid guild is about 80-90% masters for every person because they later changed the mechanics to totally screw over a huge decision which has torn many guilds on PvP Servers apart. Exiles still suffer the inability to attain PvP gear, A good amount of the mounts (Not that bad, but still), and with all classes available in the cities suffer a harder time recruiting too. This is why.

"the only true viable way", raiding on a pvp server is ment to be 100xs harder the classes the diffent strats, this goes back to a point that was made long ago, that the so called hardcore guilds could not raid like they could on pve SO lets makes complants and get SOE to change it, instead of workign though it and doign the hard times, there is nothing like killing a mob with what you have access to in class wise, but then again the so called hardcore guilds could not handle it they wanted progression there and then, and nothing else mattered, it all makes a mockery of what pve servers are doing.

/sigh, WTB: People that know what their talking about, PST!

[Kimber]

Just my 2c but I am pretty sure on Naggy a quite a few of the GM/Dev have exhile toons due to ""PvP"" reasons I am sure and I fully understand that however I agree that there should be some "'penalties"" for being exhile and well shared banks being one of em.  I mean really guys the whole meaning of being exhile is to be alone and out there with only yourself righ.  For PvP anyway ................. Oh [Removed for Content] then maybe the exhile guilds should have to disband or pick a city ............ NM guys just messing but seriously you chose to be exhile live with it.

[Natthan]

Kimber@Nagafen wrote:

Just my 2c but I am pretty sure on Naggy a quite a few of the GM/Dev have exhile toons due to ""PvP"" reasons I am sure and I fully understand that however I agree that there should be some "'penalties"" for being exhile and well shared banks being one of em.  I mean really guys the whole meaning of being exhile is to be alone and out there with only yourself righ.  For PvP anyway ................. Oh [Removed for Content] then maybe the exhile guilds should have to disband or pick a city ............ NM guys just messing but seriously you chose to be exhile live with it.

I failed to see how after SoE Caved and gave all classes, There are still other things we are penalized for as exiles that outweigh the gain anymore, but the loss of masters hurt going back to a city.

[Kimber]

Natthan@Venekor wrote:

Kimber@Nagafen wrote:

Just my 2c but I am pretty sure on Naggy a quite a few of the GM/Dev have exile toons due to ""PvP"" reasons I am sure and I fully understand that however I agree that there should be some "'penalties"" for being exile and well shared banks being one of em.  I mean really guys the whole meaning of being exile is to be alone and out there with only yourself righ.  For PvP anyway ................. Oh [Removed for Content] then maybe the exile guilds should have to disband or pick a city ............ NM guys just messing but seriously you chose to be exile live with it.

I failed to see how after SoE Caved and gave all classes, There are still other things we are penalized for as exiles that outweigh the gain anymore, but the loss of masters hurt going back to a city.

Exactly they gave both cities all classes so there is no reason to stay exile now other than PvP and its supposed to be hard right.  Cause only hardcore PvP players go exile so they can have more peeps to fight and what not.  Dont get me wrong I have been around for a while and remember lv locked twinks and 18 classes per faction and seeing the exiles roll in full raid off to go do stuff the cities could not or would not.  I am by no means belittling the existance of exiles.  Just saying you choose it live with it is all.  Want shared bank pick a city or since you have more than 1 exile and if you want ot move money/items hmm let see you have access to housing so lets see here  put garbage onthe broker for 10, 20 30 P whatever and take the toon with the money and buy it direct from the house avoiding broker fee.  Or here is anouther one make a guild and put all your exile toons in it guess what guild bank is sharable and move stuff around that way.  Sorry for draggin that out guys but there are several ways to get around the problem.  As for the inevitable reply of well the cities dont have that problem.  Correct we dont cause we are not exile.

edit to fix I dunno why I insisted on putting an H in exile must be tired or something.

[Vlahkmaak]

Legion2024 wrote:

"the only true viable way", raiding on a pvp server is ment to be 100xs harder the classes the diffent strats, this goes back to a point that was made long ago, that the so called hardcore guilds could not raid like they could on pve SO lets makes complants and get SOE to change it, instead of workign though it and doign the hard times, there is nothing like killing a mob with what you have access to in class wise, but then again the so called hardcore guilds could not handle it they wanted progression there and then, and nothing else mattered, it all makes a mockery of what pve servers are doing.

And which guild were you in that you "could handle" VP with a faction based only guild?  Templars make a HUGE difference as do defilers.  The devs said so themselves at fanfaire and fixed the problem.   Raiding was never meant to be "100x harder" on the pvp serviers either - the devs stated themselves they developed raids around pve issues and awaited to see how it played out on pvp.  It palyed out with exiled guilds progressing at about 5:1 further than the city based guilds.   Who really cares if exiled alts have access to a shared bank in exile.  I say let them have em.   I think people would take a few of you slightly more serious if you signed onto the pvp forums with your pvp tag instead of some bluebie tag.   We don't go to oyur server boards and cause grief I see no reason why you should feel the need to come here and cause grief.  If you have a valid counter arguement state it - the insults fall flat.

[Valdaglerion]

Better question IMO is why would someone choose to be an exile any longer?

1. Haven sucks
2. There are questlines which are designated as major arcs in the game you cant do if you are an exile
3. Cant use shared banks
4. Class modifications on PVP servers removed the class blurr advantage

So out of curiosity why be an exile any longer than you need to be for betrayal.

[EDIT] - With regards to the loss of Masters and such for betrayal. Yeah, I agree but I fall into the carebear category these days. I gave up hardcore raiding when I realized I was spending more hours on my gaming than I was on real life. I play the game for entertainment and enjoyment now.

My issue with the betrayal mechanics now stems from a questing perspective. As a note of accomplishment I want to acquire every master at every level for my toon, I am not short many. I also want to experience all of the questing which I cant do without betraying multiple times back and forth and losing masters every time. I would love for the guise of the deceiver to actually work for questing.

I am sure more of the hard core brethern now will tell you to stuff it and quit being such a carebear though. You got the benefit of being an exile and now that advantage is gone if you want the advantages offered by the cities you are going to have to forfeit your masters. On a related note, it really shouldnt take a hard core raid guild more than a couple of months to re-master their raid force unless the meaning of hard core raiding has changed since I was involved in it. Besides, making 3500-5000 plat a month raiding hard core should provide enough to buy many of them quickly.

[Tamar]

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Its about a new feature that unuseable by some paying customers who are entitleted to new game features like everyone else no matter the faction.

You are entitled to it, and you can use it, as soon as you shift to a faction that has a shared bank...

..and no, don't bring in the "well all classes are on all sides now." argument as that is apples to oranges in this situation.  Raiding end game is quite a major part of the game and 2 of three factions on the PvP servers being unable to do it due to class structure causing people to leave the PvP servers is quite different that someone being unable to twink their alts.

But you know this...

I have a better solution...nuke the exile faction.  It is obviously not worth the trouble.

[Azekah1]

It has nothing to do with being able to do something or not.

You can do anything you can do in a shared bank you can do with the mail.

It just takes A LOT longer and is a pain in the arssey.

[Krakelkr]

Heh, you exiles are definately getting too comfy!

[Natthan]

See, The exiles probally wouldn't exsist anymore if they gave a grace period where they could go back to cities w/o losing masters, With a server like Venekor there isn't much of a supply of masters even if you have all the money in the world.

[Noaani]

Natthan@Venekor wrote:

See, The exiles probally wouldn't exsist anymore if they gave a grace period where they could go back to cities w/o losing masters, With a server like Venekor there isn't much of a supply of masters even if you have all the money in the world.

Wait until the next level cap increase imo, then you will see who is REALLY exiled for the PvP...

Until then, I am just going to continue to laugh at exiles wanting to hide away from PvP so they can gear up their alts.

[Natthan]

Noaani wrote:

Natthan@Venekor wrote:

See, The exiles probally wouldn't exsist anymore if they gave a grace period where they could go back to cities w/o losing masters, With a server like Venekor there isn't much of a supply of masters even if you have all the money in the world.

Wait until the next level cap increase imo, then you will see who is REALLY exiled for the PvP...

Until then, I am just going to continue to laugh at exiles wanting to hide away from PvP so they can gear up their alts.

There is no such thing as a pure PvPer left on Venekor seeing as majority of the time nobody is out to fight period, I used to love just logging in and PvPing but you can't do that anymore, We are kind of forced to PvE till they do something about the server population. I exiled to raid honestly, pure Pvping is not good enough anymore on Venekor.

[Warr]

lol @ this being moved to the pvp forums.

Just because there are more exiles on a pvp server rather than pve server doesn't mean it only happens on a pvp server. If the same mechanic happens on all servers the same way that is a general gameplay issue.

Not only does it affect every server, it has absolutely nothing to do with PvP. Nor does it affect any of the people here crying "you're exile, that's why."

[Cyst]

Exiles should get to use their shared bank slots. I believe a third faction is good for the PvP environment.

Edit...

In my opinion exiles should also have access to PvP gear available to the cities. I understand exiles still have better gear because they could be there first with the best raid set-ups, but the gear gap is closing. And once they fix the population problems, the exiles will be at a disadvantage. So lets make the exile a solid, reliable faction.

[Wytie]

Warren@Venekor wrote:

lol @ this being moved to the pvp forums.

Just because there are more exiles on a pvp server rather than pve server doesn't mean it only happens on a pvp server. If the same mechanic happens on all servers the same way that is a general gameplay issue.

Not only does it affect every server, it has absolutely nothing to do with PvP. Nor does it affect any of the people here crying "you're exile, that's why."

QFE

Its just because all the blubies had to butt in and derail this thread about things they have no idea about.

And they wonder why we think less of them? No matter what they come here to say, they are still only playing half the game we are.

If it was going to be moved it should have been moved to the test forums as this hasnt actually left test yet. GG mods