Offical word plz, exiles guilds and T3 guild halls on pvp servers

[Kurindor_Mythecnea]

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Most raid guilds in exile will survive for some time, but after these changes and new features (that exiles will most likely not have access too) the life blood of exiles "new recruits" will be cut off, thus slowly killing any raid guilds currently in exile. This isnt an opinion its a cold fact. The only one chance of hope they have is guild halls, by having a level 80 guild with lots of status and coin already. Thus my reason for asking, so an official response would be greatly appreciated so exile guilds "in limbo" can truly work on planning for survival in the future.

TBH, it really is irrelevant, your rhetoric built around this straw man argument of a fallacy. It is THE STATED DEVELOPER STANCE (n_n) that Exileds are for the hardcore segment of players essentially looking for PvP only. Acting like this will be a reason to leave the game for those who are Exiled is grossly asinine analysis, and I would like to highlight that players consider this bit of the concept here before they be subject to slanted pathos.

Aeralik wrote:

Chris_p_Ratt wrote:

I just wish they (the devs) could've come up with something else... like making being a part of a city a real advantage. Exiling a real detriment. Shrug. Interested in hearing your comments. Please feel free.

Exiling was always supposed to be a detriment but things like raid gear and mythical epics make it very attractive compared to the negative aspects of it.  Exiling was always thought of more for the hard core player who wanted a free for all option.  As time went on though the raid items made going exile very attractive and from the data I have seen many raiders went that route.   Hopefully a few exile guilds will go back to the cities after this and at the very least the city based guilds will be able to compete with the exile guilds.

PS: your welcome to discuss if you think so or not, please do not turn this into a exile vs city thread, we already have 40 of them, this is just for some clarification for us exiles who would like to know their future.....

When people have partisan perspectives about the issue, your idea of condoned censorship has no significance.

[Krakelkr]

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Krakelkrak wrote:

If I was SOE, I'd put guild halls (guild holes?) into haven in a later patch just to show pvpers how unimportant they are.

So what your saying is your 15-20$ a month is worth more than my 15-20$ a month? lol

We all know most everyone in the citys hate anything and everything that has anything to do with exile, can we move past that for just one thread?

We would just like to know if we are going to be officaly included in the next bit of new content that we are paying for just like everyone else, thats all really.

If you think you or other city folk hate exiles now, what will you think if they do allow us T3 guild halls and were the only ones who have it? Talk about an uproar lol

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[Snoopdevious]

Personally I think it would be fair to give exiles guild halls. They don't have signats or pvp gear. At least let them out of the cave. I would hate to spend my days there. Guild halls for exiles would be a good way to keep them around. I don't want to see them die. They give good fights, and more targets IMO.

On top of that, I'm sure they have alot of status that they cant spend. Why do they get it? I don't know. So give them something to spend it on.

As for status for smaller guilds to keep a guild hall, why don't you fill it up with status reducing items? We are already talking about having a guildie go in a decorate it to reduce the ammount of status it costs to zero. Seems like the logical solution. That way you only spend plat.

GL exiles with this issue.

[Kiara]

Stop with the exile vs faction debate.Stick to the topic and refrain from turning this into another 30 page monstrosity of bickering and flaming.Please and thank you.

[Wytie]

Everyone wants to try out and enjoy the new content, we would just like to know if were included thats all really

[Leko]

Pail@Venekor wrote:

Everyone wants to try out and enjoy the new content, we would just like to know if were included thats all really

You shall not be included.  Exiles do not get to be included in city improvments.  See how that works.  The cities are makeing the guild halls not your little hole in the ground. 

Feel included now?

[Paikis]

Leko@Nagafen wrote:

You shall not be included.  Exiles do not get to be included in city improvments.  See how that works.  The cities are makeing the guild halls not your little hole in the ground. 

Feel included now?

Are you sure you don't live under a bridge Leko?

[CtrlF]

Eragahn@Nagafen wrote:

I can understand the problems that exiles might see coming, but then again, I'm one of those people that think that exiles shouldn't get ANYTHING that remotely resembles an amenity of a city faction.They are EXILES, which means they are without cities.   Being such, should exclude them from any amenity that only a city should have.  I feel the guild halls should be a city only amenity.   Don't like it?  Don't exile.

I get this weird feeling that some people forget that this is a game that is supposed to be fun for all the paying subscribers.

Pretty sure my exiled $15/month is worth just as much as your factioned $15 month

[Leko]

CtrlFrk wrote:

Eragahn@Nagafen wrote:

I can understand the problems that exiles might see coming, but then again, I'm one of those people that think that exiles shouldn't get ANYTHING that remotely resembles an amenity of a city faction.They are EXILES, which means they are without cities.   Being such, should exclude them from any amenity that only a city should have.  I feel the guild halls should be a city only amenity.   Don't like it?  Don't exile.

I get this weird feeling that some people forget that this is a game that is supposed to be fun for all the paying subscribers.

Pretty sure my exiled $15/month is worth just as much as your factioned $15 month

Paying $15.00 a month does not get you a guild hall.  By that same logic everyone who pays $15.00 a month should get their mythical upgrade with out having to raid for it.  They are paying the $15.00 a month just like the raiders right?, so they should have it.

[Leko]

Paikis wrote:

Leko@Nagafen wrote:

You shall not be included.  Exiles do not get to be included in city improvments.  See how that works.  The cities are makeing the guild halls not your little hole in the ground. 

Feel included now?

Are you sure you don't live under a bridge Leko?

Nah, to cold and wet.  I perfer a warmer location.

[Warr]

Okay the devs are obviously avoiding this topic. They've posted in the pvp forums about the betrayal process, and this topic was on the same page. So I'm going to assume, even they don't know if they're going to change it for pvp servers. Which is pretty crappy if you ask me because how hard can it be to: 1) Click thread 2) Click reply 3) type one of the following: A) We're still not sure yet. B) Yes. C) No. 4) Click Submit If that's all it is, if it hasn't been decided yet, so be it. I feel its pretty rude to the customers to completely ignore the question.

[CtrlF]

Leko@Nagafen wrote:

CtrlFrk wrote:

Eragahn@Nagafen wrote:

I can understand the problems that exiles might see coming, but then again, I'm one of those people that think that exiles shouldn't get ANYTHING that remotely resembles an amenity of a city faction.They are EXILES, which means they are without cities.   Being such, should exclude them from any amenity that only a city should have.  I feel the guild halls should be a city only amenity.   Don't like it?  Don't exile.

I get this weird feeling that some people forget that this is a game that is supposed to be fun for all the paying subscribers.

Pretty sure my exiled $15/month is worth just as much as your factioned $15 month

Paying $15.00 a month does not get you a guild hall.  By that same logic everyone who pays $15.00 a month should get their mythical upgrade with out having to raid for it.  They are paying the $15.00 a month just like the raiders right?, so they should have it.

The raiders raided for everything they got .. you paid your $15/month and chose to stay in Freeport .. we decided that to raid the mobs developed by SOE to require all the classes, that we would go the only place where that was available. Now they are allowing the other 2 Factions access to all the classes .. awesome! They just need to give the rest of us the same amenities. You can't make things equal and then make them unequal in the same patch unless you're trying to reduce your playerbase.

[Kiara]

It's weird... I can see the words that I typed and posted.

But clearly I'm typing with invisible pixels... Oh or in a foreign language!  That MUST be it...

Two things:

Stop trolling the thread.  No more exiles vs factions.  Period.  Next time I see it in here, I'm passing out vacays.

When there is an answer to the question that can be shared, we'll share it.  Right now, there isn't an answer to be given.

* hands out cookies *

Now, play nice please

[Warr]

Kiara ftw.Seriously.*waits for the rampage*

[Borias]

Kiara wrote:

When there is an answer to the question that can be shared, we'll share it.  Right now, there isn't an answer to be given.

* hands out cookies *

Now, play nice please

Any potential ETA on that?  I'd like to think it's being at least talked about.

[Kiara]

Borias@Nagafen wrote:

Kiara wrote:

When there is an answer to the question that can be shared, we'll share it.  Right now, there isn't an answer to be given.

* hands out cookies *

Now, play nice please

Any potential ETA on that?  I'd like to think it's being at least talked about.

I'll ask.  I can't give you an eta on an answer, though.  All I can do is pass along the answer when I get it.

[Wytie]

Thanks!

[Kiara]

Answer:  Yes, exiles can use T3 guild halls.  The Antonica and Commonlands halls are faction independant.  Anyone may purchase them.

[Warr]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.Kiara ftw!Thanks so much for getting this answer. That resolves a lot of stress and concern.

[Wytie]

Kiara wrote:

Answer:  Yes, exiles can use T3 guild halls.  The Antonica and Commonlands halls are faction independant.  Anyone may purchase them.

Thanks you sooooo much for going out of your way to resolve and confirm the issue for us

KIARA >>>>> GRIMWELL   

[Kiara]

Lies!  Grimwell is awesome too   Grimwell plays PvP and he actually understands it a lot better than I do, so you have him to thank for a lot of this I admit that I don't PvP... I'm abyssmal at it.  You'd all soundly kick my hinie all over Norrath I'll have to see about proving that lol.I'm glad I was able to get an answer for you guys

[Bloodfa]

Kiara, thanks for all of the interaction with the/us/those PvPers.  Just wanted to get that out there, and let you know that we appreciate it. 

[Kiara]

<3<3<3!!!

[Paikis]

Hey seeing as how y'all are talking, can we get some sort of response as to the loss of masters when not changing classes? Any chance of it happening? What are the dev's thoughts on the matter? There has to be some sort of reasoning behind it?

I'll personally be changing class if my guild ever goes back to a city, so it doesn't really apply to me... but I know alot of people are kind of annoyed that you took our toy (all classes) and gave it to everyone else. While I do know that i typed my name into the box and all that, there was no way to know that this change would effectively come along and squash the exiles in 6 months time.

I'm not here to make accusations, no fingers pointing, no shouting for reparations, just a simple request for information.

Any chance of it happening? (a response)

[Yaegermister]

why would soe let exiles have yet another item to make haven better  quoted from the offical update notesdicts have been issued from both the Throne of Lucan and the counsels of Antonia! In these times of uncertainty both leaders realize they need to garner the support of the powerful guilds in their cities as well as create a barrier of protection for the coastlines. The call has gone out that the previously uninhabited islands that lay just a few hundred yards out to the west of Antonica and east of the Commonlands can now be purchased by qualified guilds and built up into guild hall territories. These new halls will serve the dual purpose as headquarters of the powerful city guilds as well as a line of defense from coastal invasionwhere does it say the exile nation's are lending a hand  guild halls are supposed to protect freeport and antonica not exiles .   note the bold face words   CITY GUILDS 

[Nimbrithil]

Krakelkrak wrote:

If I was SOE, I'd put guild halls (guild holes?) into haven in a later patch just to show pvpers how unimportant they are.

Thats the issue though. Alot of Exiles CLAIMED to go there becuase they wanted more PVP but how often do you see Exiles PVP? End game anyway.By my observations alot of exiles went there to raid and I can fully appreciate how the advantages that a guild hall will give would be a strong enticement.

[Kiara]

I would hazard a guess that the island halls aren't in a city...As to the spell thing... I can ask.  But I sincerely doubt that they'll take away that particular mechanic.  Never hurts to ask though   And no eta on the answer :pI don't want to see anyone camped out at my desk!

[Yaegermister]

Kiara wrote:

I would hazard a guess that the island halls aren't in a city...As to the spell thing... I can ask.  But I sincerely doubt that they'll take away that particular mechanic.  Never hurts to ask though   And no eta on the answer :pI don't want to see anyone camped out at my desk!

u are right they arent ina city but they are being built by freeport and antonica just read soe's own lore on it hell can exiles even do the world event harvesting.  the whole point is those are supposed to reward faithful and powerful CITY GUILDS not exiles they want some guild halls then make another hole in haven for themhell in lower sebilis they have an item called pet rock it would be a nice decroation for haven tbh

[Paikis]

It said they were to be used as coastal defence. Why not let Exiles buy one? You take their gold and if an attack ever comes, let the mercenaries die first. Makes perfect sense to me.

Thanks Kiara. I personally don't expect them to change anything.. I just thought I'd ask, see if we could find out what's going on, and any particular reasoning behind it. Personally I tihnk if you're going to lose your masters as part of a penalty for betrayal then it should be when you LEAVE a city, as opposed to when you JOIN it. The city you're joining should have no reason to want to strip you of your knowledge. The city you LEFT however, would certainly want to punish you. Heck, you DIE as part of that quest. I think the shock of being killed could be used to justify your lack of masters (amnesia?)

[Krakelkr]

Why are y'all replying ot me for?

It was a joke. And it wasn't even about exiles :P

On topic---> Awesome, Q guilds can get guild halls in commonlands!  :)