Crafters who don't counter failures please turn off emote - thanks

[Oakleafe]

Bkschrad wrote:

I also turned off all the sound a long time ago - I found my music was more interesting than game sounds.  However, whenever I want to be alone crafting, and not have trouble reaching the broker/getting new writs, etc., I go to the Ironforge Exchange or the Coalition of Tradesfolke instances.  There, even when there are other crafters around, they are usually one's that know what they're doing and are countering everything.  If you craft in Kelethin or Neriak, I don't know what to say, except make your own crafting area in house.

Thanks for the advice.

[Oakleafe]

Fusegu@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I would find it unbearably embarrassing if one of my crafter kept messing up like that. But honestly you are not going to make people stop it by posting it here and if they are botting tells will do no good. I personally find pets in trade skill, especially that bat thing wizzies have, very annoying when I am crafting.

The hope of the post is that some people who recognised that it could be them might remember on a few occasions to switch emotes off.  Even if it was just a small percentage it would help a bit.  I never for one moment thought that everyone would say "What a wonderful idea I'll set up a macro right now". However, if I say nothing then I would be accepting and encouraging people to be disruptive, wouldn't I.  Isn't "doing nothing" accepting what is being done?I agree with you about the pets.  Some finger waggling crafters are considerate and place their pets out of the way.  It is a shame that all cannot attempt to be considerate to their fellow game players.

[Oakleafe]

zaneluke wrote:

Oakleafe wrote:

I find that most days when I craft there are one or more characters crafting who, for whatever reason, are not countering their crafting failures and are therefore being hit by failures (I'm not talking about a failure here and there, I mean the characters who don't counter any failures and leave a trail of their woe in my combat chat channel).  Failures cause an emote noise.  The clever devs have made these noises quite lifelike, so I am hearing regular sounds of someones pain.  I do not enjoy the experience.  I cannot turn the sound off as it helps me craft successfully.So, I'd like to ask you: If you are a player that does not pay attention while crafting can you please turn off your emote (Persona, Details Tab).  Many thanks. BTW - I do ask players who are making these noises if they would please turn off their emote, but for some reason they never reply.  Well, I am on a Euro server (Runnyeye) so maybe they just don't understand English.

O my, this post is absolutly hilarious.It was meant as a joke right? I spit soda at my screen when I read it.

Well done.  Sort of.  Now clean that screen!   It was posted tongue-in-cheek, but does have a message there too.  Well, really a few messages.I was hoping that a few who recognised themselves might oblige and do it.  I thought that some of the bots might see this as another thing they can do to hide, and so reduce the noise pollution in TS instances.  I was also hoping that the devs might consider picking up on the chat channel messages and .....  well, guess that's too much to hope for.Mostly, it was just something I felt I had to say after a really annoying crafting session where I was surrounded by so many agonising squawks I just had to quit.  But I knew that if I was going to post something like this I should try and make it light-hearted and everso slightly tongue-in-cheek.

[Oakleafe]

Calthine wrote:

Reading that highlighted bit...  OP, you know you can filter out others' combat spam, right?

Yes thanks, but the point is not the chat.  It's the emotes.

[Oakleafe]

Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:

Calthine wrote:

Reading that highlighted bit...  OP, you know you can filter out others' combat spam, right?

I am going to guess that the highlighted bit was only to define the type of person that is causing the problem of XXX noise polution (or whatever you want to call it). As far as needing sound to craft... use the combat bubbles to tell if you failed or not. I actually just look at the floating numbers to know when a round ended and know what happened for that round. If you do not see the numbers then check your UI settings .. I dont remember what option controls them (but I know you can turn them off).

Thanks for the suggestion.  I do sometimes craft with the sound off but find in general it takes away from the RPG aspect, it removes immersion (if that's the right word).  There's also the social aspect of the game that is improved if you have sounds and react to the sounds of level ups and /tell messages etc.I am aware of the numbers, but crafting has pretty much become a boring slog in the most part I do not always pay attention to them 100% of the time.  There's also the annoying thing of finding the right "camera angle"  on some crafting stations, and the added annoyance of a person or pet standing just where you need to see.   Maybe the numbers  window can be moved on the stations but I've never found out how - it always appears up by the crafting stations name for me.

[zaneluke]

Oakleafe wrote:

zaneluke wrote:

I was hoping that a few who recognised themselves might oblige and do it.  I thought that some of the bots might see this as another thing they can do to hide, and so reduce the noise pollution in TS instances. 

So you want to help BOTS? I mean if this is a sign of a bot, why would we post how to cure it for the bots benifit?Now im fully confused.

[hoppopo]

Oakleafe wrote:

Cixia@Everfrost wrote:

Mikkahl wrote:

Sidora@Crushbone wrote:

You can very well turn off (or down) your sound.When I craft I am usually 90% of the time at my computer countering. But at times I run off and grab a drink or get the phone (or whatever RL calls me to do) and poop happens. I know this isnt the type of crafter you are talking about but it would be much easier for you to turn off YOUR sound while crafting then everyone else turning off their emotes (that I personally like to have on) to appease one person.

Having the sound on is almost mandatory (as the OP said) for successful crafting.  You can tell by the sound when each round is over, and usually whether there was success or failure for that round.  If I hear several of the deep "whomp" failure sounds in a row, I know I need to spam a bunch of durability skills to get my green bar back up.  So it's not fair to me to have to turn off my sound to avoid hearing other's rude noises, when it adversely effects my crafting.

And then there are the people who constantly use one of the mana spells to get power from their pet - very annoying.  And their pet is usually some big ugly thing who is standing in the middle of my crafting station.

My solution?  I built my own crafting hall in the basement of my 5-room house! " width="15" height="15" />

I have the game sound turned off and listen to my own music. The sounds for crafting are not necessary to be successful. I'm a 70 provi w/other crafter types and I can't remember the last time I failed to hit pristine when my sound was off (all other things being equal).  Granted I started playing with the game music off only a few months ago, but it hasn't changed my ability to craft successfully. 

If you wanted to craft alone I would have suggested the crafting island in Everfrost until they melted it.   All they had to do was add fuel vendors and a broker.    I so miss it.   Now you have to craft in home to get that ability.

Firstly, to craft in my own room costs money (and status in some cases) and has the aggravation of being a long way from fuels, and would be a total pain in the butt for a carpenter.  It is also a fairly unsocial act.  The games developers have continually repeated that they want the game to contain social interaction (they gave this as part of the reason for moving crafting stations above ground).Secondly, I agree that the sounds of crafting "are not necessary to be successful" but they are an aid to being successful for me, and for others.Thirdly, many of you won't remember what tradeskilling used to be like pre-nerf.  Back in the good old days of sub-combines the TS instances used to be social places.  A place to meet and chat with old friends etc.  It was also a place where when you levelled people would hear the levelling noise and /say or /occ they congratulations.  It was a friendly place back then.  How often do you hear someone being congratulated for their effort now?  Not very often in my experience.  I still /say grats BECAUSE I am friendly, wish to encourage AND because I have my sound turned on.Additionally, having the sound on means I can spot a /tell or a friend logging in amongst the TS messages in my chat window.Lastly, I'm not saying that "I am right and you are wrong", I hope it doesn't read that way.  I'm just trying to explain my circumstances a little better than I first did.

 Why is it difficult to craft our of your house as a carpenter? I've been a level 70 carpetner forever and never saw a problem when I chose to craft there.

Missing counters never bothers me. I run three machines two with surround sound speaker systems fairly loud (as my wife). Don't understand the complaint. I also have crafted from day 1 of the game as well.  

[Orsham]

Oakleafe wrote:

Orsham wrote:

Oakleafe wrote:

I find that most days when I craft there are one or more characters crafting who, for whatever reason, are not countering their crafting failures and are therefore being hit by failures (I'm not talking about a failure here and there, I mean the characters who don't counter any failures and leave a trail of their woe in my combat chat channel). 

That'll be me then, if you're on Splitpaw. I'm still pretty much in the dark about crafting. I've managed to reach level 15 scholar but there have been many failures along the way with a series  of noises betraying my newbiness.  I might work out what's going on one day.

LOL.  No, it's not you my friend.  I'm on Runnyeye anyway, but it's not about the odd failure here and there - it's the constant ones by people who know that it will be happening because they know they will not be trying to TS using the reaction arts.Good news is that Domino is bringing in in-game tradeskill tutorials.  Bad news is that they are still some way away.  Scan these forums and you'll find links to tradeskill guides in Allakhazam and EQ2Traders that might help you along in the meantime.

Hey, I've got it sussed now! Figured out what's going on. It didn't help that I was only using advanced recipes! I somehow missed the 'Essential Scholar' books. I'm enjoying it now I know what I'm doing. And levelling up much quicker with few failures.

[Raveller]

Oakleafe wrote:

I find that most days when I craft there are one or more characters crafting who, for whatever reason, are not countering their crafting failures and are therefore being hit by failures (I'm not talking about a failure here and there, I mean the characters who don't counter any failures and leave a trail of their woe in my combat chat channel).  Failures cause an emote noise.  The clever devs have made these noises quite lifelike, so I am hearing regular sounds of someones pain.  I do not enjoy the experience.  I cannot turn the sound off as it helps me craft successfully.So, I'd like to ask you: If you are a player that does not pay attention while crafting can you please turn off your emote (Persona, Details Tab).  Many thanks. BTW - I do ask players who are making these noises if they would please turn off their emote, but for some reason they never reply.  Well, I am on a Euro server (Runnyeye) so maybe they just don't understand English.

You could just try getting a life. That works for most people.

[Kimage]

Oakleafe wrote:

... made these noises quite lifelike, so I am hearing regular sounds of someones pain.  I do not enjoy the experience.  ...

 But it is pleasureful! I love to hear the sound of others pain. Muuuahhhhh

  Though I have a torture chamber in my house, live in Freeport and am Apprentice Mistress of Tribal Instinct.  I also beat and torture the ones who have been "bad".  The screams of my victims.... ahhhmmmm I mean ... "Guests" make my home sound so ..welll .... homey.

 Ok seriously - I do understand what you mean. It makes me want to ask if someone needs help learning how to craft.

[Jesdyr]

Kimage wrote:

  Though I have a torture chamber in my house, live in Freeport and am Apprentice Mistress of Tribal Instinct.  I also beat and torture the ones who have been "bad".  The screams of my victims.... ahhhmmmm I mean ... "Guests" make my home sound so ..welll .... homey.

Me too !  .. actually the lastnames of my araisi "servants" are "Shebeatsus".. I recently taught them to dance for people. It only took a a few sessions with a whip, but they seem to have it down now.

[othera1]

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