You do realize that we have to melee 90% of a solo fight, do you? - Page 2

Jay · 06-23-2006, 11:39 PM

Yeah, he means Triple Shot / Arrow / Volley. I don't even remember what I used to use with PBS, but I'm sure it wouldn't work anymore, with the shorter duration. I haven't adventured with Kae much lately, and when I have, it's been in groups so I haven't had to work out a new tactic for PBS yet, sorry.

TaleraRis · 06-23-2006, 11:44 PM

Hidden Fire and Triple Arrow/Shot (whichever it is, can't look atm) are on the same par as far as casting time for me. They've both been mentally relegated to the "takes time" pile while Sharp Shot and Miracle Arrow are what I have put in the "cast really fast" pile.

Jay · 06-23-2006, 11:47 PM

Wow, really? You should take a look at Triple again... I'm 98% sure it doesn't take as long to cast as the Hidden Fire line. But yeah, the Sharp Shot line is fast, unfortunately it doesn't pack much of a punch. The Miracle line, strangely enough, ends up delivering some serious damage later on in the tiers.

Gareorn · 06-23-2006, 11:52 PM

PBS at level 4 (that's what I have) dropped from 2.8 sec to 2.1. I can still get off one fast casting range shot, but that's it. It works especially good on golem type mobs. For some reason, it seems to take them longer to stand back up once you've knock them down. It must be beause they are so big and lazy.:smileytongue:

TaleraRis · 06-24-2006, 02:09 AM

Now I'm home and can verify. Hidden Fire is 3.0 seconds for me. Triple Fire is 1.5s, Miracle Arrow is 1.5s, Trick Arrow (Although I never use this as an attack spell solo) is 1.0s, Sharp Shot is 1.0s, Deb Arrow is 1.5s, Leg Shot is 1.0s My Point Blank Shot at App I lasts for 1.8 seconds, down from 2.3 before the change. With having to back up even during casting, it's not enough for me to get even Sharp Shot completely cast. I can start SS but it won't finish because the mob moves into range. Triple Fire honestly doesn't seem to be 1.5s in practice, though. I'm sure it is, but it feels more sluggish when I do cast it. Adding in backing up, I can get Sharp Shot off no problem, but any of those others (besides Trick because I just don't use it much when soloing) gets the interrupt message when they're almost done casting. So it's close, but they still take too long to be effective. Let me look at melee skills now. Longshank is 0.5s casting time. Crippling Blade is 0.5, Surveil is 1.0, Tangleflame is 0.5. Cheap Shot lasts 4 seconds now. I used to be able to CS - Longshank - CB - Surveil - Tangle within the 6 seconds given under the old CS duration. I can now CS - Longshank - Crippling Blade - Surveil, but can't get that last Tangleflame off. Given these difficulties, I do end up pure meleeing more often in a fight now, trying to do HO combinations to increase my damage output. Not 90%, but for those of us in the upper mid-range area, we find ourselves face to face with the mob a bit more often than those higher than us.

Message Edited by TaleraRis on 06-23-2006 06:10 PM

Jay · 06-26-2006, 06:33 PM

So PBS at App 1 is 1.8 seconds, and PBS at App 4 (highest most of us will bother getting) is only 2.1? Awesome.. so each AA point you invest increases the knockdown duration by a tenth of a second. BRILLIANT!

TaleraRis · 06-26-2006, 06:49 PM

Yeah I know. I'm going to put in what's necessary to continue down the line and that's it. It wasn't even all that useful at 2.3s and it's pointless at 1.8s now.

Saihung23 · 06-26-2006, 07:02 PM

I think PBS stun...err knockdown...lasts a bit longer at the 5th rank..like 2.4 seconds but meh...still is shorter than it should be...

***Edited*** It being early morning...and me being very tired...I was thinking about what I do when I cast cheap shot...not what I do when I cast PBS...One CA is all I get off with PBS..not two like I sleep-wrote a few moments ago...lol, need stronger coffee...***Edited***

I am still happy with how I am solo'ing...I started solo'ing the single up Ravasects in Bonemire to advance the grizzlefoshizzle quest...they are conning yellow to me (level 66 and 67 and I am level 63). Granted I am now using strength potions, 3 good poisons, and kiting the last few hp's...and I still die a bit...but all the other yellow even cons are like fishcakes for my Kerra Ranger to feast on...

Not discounting anyone just posting that where I am at in game, I am happy...things seem to be peachy for me combat-wise.

Then again...I got my full imbued xegonite gear going this weekend, and am pretty happy with it...though...I have to admit...I look like a member of a Rollerderby team...I look like a furry LL Cool J in that rollerderby movie he put out not long ago...

Message Edited by Saihung23 on 06-26-2006 11:05 AM

athitchcock · 07-02-2006, 02:41 AM

Maybe the OP meant time and not dmg.If I'm killing greens and being lazy I'll pull with veiled and devit and melee down the rest of the mob while throwing cheap shot in a few times to reduce the beating I get. In that case the melee portion might take 90% of the time, but still no where near 90% of the dmg.

06-23-2006, 11:39 PM	#31
Jay General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,137	Yeah, he means Triple Shot / Arrow / Volley. I don't even remember what I used to use with PBS, but I'm sure it wouldn't work anymore, with the shorter duration. I haven't adventured with Kae much lately, and when I have, it's been in groups so I haven't had to work out a new tactic for PBS yet, sorry. __________________

06-23-2006, 11:44 PM	#32
TaleraRis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,083	Hidden Fire and Triple Arrow/Shot (whichever it is, can't look atm) are on the same par as far as casting time for me. They've both been mentally relegated to the "takes time" pile while Sharp Shot and Miracle Arrow are what I have put in the "cast really fast" pile. __________________ Gwyneth Lecarde 90 Warty Arrow Flinger 90 Sword Shiner Najena Morgasand Ka'Bael 54 Roswellian Mind Scrambler 87 Shield Polisher Najena

06-23-2006, 11:47 PM	#33
Jay General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,137	Wow, really? You should take a look at Triple again... I'm 98% sure it doesn't take as long to cast as the Hidden Fire line. But yeah, the Sharp Shot line is fast, unfortunately it doesn't pack much of a punch. The Miracle line, strangely enough, ends up delivering some serious damage later on in the tiers. __________________

06-23-2006, 11:52 PM	#34
Gareorn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,144	PBS at level 4 (that's what I have) dropped from 2.8 sec to 2.1. I can still get off one fast casting range shot, but that's it. It works especially good on golem type mobs. For some reason, it seems to take them longer to stand back up once you've knock them down. It must be beause they are so big and lazy.:smileytongue: __________________ Leader of the vast right-wing conspiricy... Hiding from the world's smartest woman in a bunker under a Hooter's restaurant.

06-24-2006, 02:09 AM	#35
TaleraRis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,083	Now I'm home and can verify. Hidden Fire is 3.0 seconds for me. Triple Fire is 1.5s, Miracle Arrow is 1.5s, Trick Arrow (Although I never use this as an attack spell solo) is 1.0s, Sharp Shot is 1.0s, Deb Arrow is 1.5s, Leg Shot is 1.0s My Point Blank Shot at App I lasts for 1.8 seconds, down from 2.3 before the change. With having to back up even during casting, it's not enough for me to get even Sharp Shot completely cast. I can start SS but it won't finish because the mob moves into range. Triple Fire honestly doesn't seem to be 1.5s in practice, though. I'm sure it is, but it feels more sluggish when I do cast it. Adding in backing up, I can get Sharp Shot off no problem, but any of those others (besides Trick because I just don't use it much when soloing) gets the interrupt message when they're almost done casting. So it's close, but they still take too long to be effective. Let me look at melee skills now. Longshank is 0.5s casting time. Crippling Blade is 0.5, Surveil is 1.0, Tangleflame is 0.5. Cheap Shot lasts 4 seconds now. I used to be able to CS - Longshank - CB - Surveil - Tangle within the 6 seconds given under the old CS duration. I can now CS - Longshank - Crippling Blade - Surveil, but can't get that last Tangleflame off. Given these difficulties, I do end up pure meleeing more often in a fight now, trying to do HO combinations to increase my damage output. Not 90%, but for those of us in the upper mid-range area, we find ourselves face to face with the mob a bit more often than those higher than us. Message Edited by TaleraRis on 06-23-2006 06:10 PM __________________ Gwyneth Lecarde 90 Warty Arrow Flinger 90 Sword Shiner Najena Morgasand Ka'Bael 54 Roswellian Mind Scrambler 87 Shield Polisher Najena

06-26-2006, 06:33 PM	#36
Jay General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,137	So PBS at App 1 is 1.8 seconds, and PBS at App 4 (highest most of us will bother getting) is only 2.1? Awesome.. so each AA point you invest increases the knockdown duration by a tenth of a second. BRILLIANT! __________________

06-26-2006, 06:49 PM	#37
TaleraRis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,083	Yeah I know. I'm going to put in what's necessary to continue down the line and that's it. It wasn't even all that useful at 2.3s and it's pointless at 1.8s now. __________________ Gwyneth Lecarde 90 Warty Arrow Flinger 90 Sword Shiner Najena Morgasand Ka'Bael 54 Roswellian Mind Scrambler 87 Shield Polisher Najena

06-26-2006, 07:02 PM	#38
Saihung23 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Delaware:Home of...Home of...we got stuff! Posts: 1,527	I think PBS stun...err knockdown...lasts a bit longer at the 5th rank..like 2.4 seconds but meh...still is shorter than it should be... *Edited* It being early morning...and me being very tired...I was thinking about what I do when I cast cheap shot...not what I do when I cast PBS...One CA is all I get off with PBS..not two like I sleep-wrote a few moments ago...lol, need stronger coffee...*Edited* I am still happy with how I am solo'ing...I started solo'ing the single up Ravasects in Bonemire to advance the grizzlefoshizzle quest...they are conning yellow to me (level 66 and 67 and I am level 63). Granted I am now using strength potions, 3 good poisons, and kiting the last few hp's...and I still die a bit...but all the other yellow even cons are like fishcakes for my Kerra Ranger to feast on... Not discounting anyone just posting that where I am at in game, I am happy...things seem to be peachy for me combat-wise. Then again...I got my full imbued xegonite gear going this weekend, and am pretty happy with it...though...I have to admit...I look like a member of a Rollerderby team...I look like a furry LL Cool J in that rollerderby movie he put out not long ago... Message Edited by Saihung23 on 06-26-2006 11:05 AM __________________

07-02-2006, 02:41 AM	#39
athitchcock Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	Maybe the OP meant time and not dmg.If I'm killing greens and being lazy I'll pull with veiled and devit and melee down the rest of the mob while throwing cheap shot in a few times to reduce the beating I get. In that case the melee portion might take 90% of the time, but still no where near 90% of the dmg. __________________