My theory on Lucan

[Sabatini]

I'm just going to have to disagree with you that Beggar's Court was any attempt whatsoever to force Humans into a slum. Regardless of what your notes say, nothing takes away from the fact its still the nicest 'starter' section of all the races in Freeport. Furthermore, Humans are the most prominent race populating the 'inner' sectors of the city, where the higher class citizens live. Half Elves are equally well represented.Further, I dont really buy into the notion Lucan is an avatar of any higher power. At least knowingly so. Theres just too much evidence in the other direction. He spits at the gods. All of them. He turned his back on them and chose his own way. Why else would he populate the former temple district with the two races most likely to desecrate and blow it up? Why would he create a godless religion in its place?Lucan has his subtle moments, but for the most part he has a crusader's directness. Nothing says 'There is no higher power' more like floating your house over a city and taking a name like the Overlord. And as far dieties go, is Innoruuk any more subtle? That certainly isnt what he represents. If Lucan were really the Avatar of Innoruuk I dont think there would be much in the way of attempts to conceal it. If the history of our real world shows us anything, there's no shortage of fanatics willing to support some truly rediculous causes. If Lucan raised the banner of Innoruuk, there's be no shortage of loons going along for the ride.But really I dont see Lucan's ego allowing for the possibility of anyone having any power over him. Being unknowingly manipulated into doing a god's will has more likelyhood, but thats not really Innoruuk's schtick. Its more a joke worthy of Bristlebane.

[JadeHea]

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Sabatini wrote:
I'm just going to have to disagree with you that Beggar's Court was any attempt whatsoever to force Humans into a slum. Regardless of what your notes say, nothing takes away from the fact its still the nicest 'starter' section of all the races in Freeport. Furthermore, Humans are the most prominent race populating the 'inner' sectors of the city, where the higher class citizens live. Half Elves are equally well represented. ((( Well, i will be happy to read any lore you find about it and send my way. )))

Further, I dont really buy into the notion Lucan is an avatar of any higher power. At least knowingly so. Theres just too much evidence in the other direction. He spits at the gods. All of them. He turned his back on them and chose his own way. Why else would he populate the former temple district with the two races most likely to desecrate and blow it up? Why would he create a godless religion in its place? ((( Well I have already said why i think he wishes to have the other gods forgotten. And i do think he wants that district ruined. Your asking a question ive already answerd.)))

Lucan has his subtle moments, but for the most part he has a crusader's directness. Nothing says 'There is no higher power' more like floating your house over a city and taking a name like the Overlord. And as far dieties go, is Innoruuk any more subtle? That certainly isnt what he represents. If Lucan were really the Avatar of Innoruuk I dont think there would be much in the way of attempts to conceal it. ((( Ok, you seem to see Innoruuk in a differnt light than I do. He is very subtle in my view. When the gods left him out of the creation prossess he hated them for it. (go figure) And he made a plan for revenge. This plan took about 3000 years to complete. Involved him hiding his true form and apearing high elven. placeing cursed around the world and corrupting the first high elf king and queen into the parrents of the Teir`Dal, and pitting enemys against each other til his children could become the force that they were. When he has a plan he will go to great lengths to conceal it. Even taking the guise of someone else. "Is Innoruuk any more subtle?" Im gona say yes he is.)))

If the history of our real world shows us anything, there's no shortage of fanatics willing to support some truly rediculous causes. If Lucan raised the banner of Innoruuk, there's be no shortage of loons going along for the ride.((( Ok, i dont think he plans to raise any banners. Sure a few loons when race with him to destroy the world. The rest of freeport would try and stop it. Like i said, evil is big on self preservation.)))

But really I dont see Lucan's ego allowing for the possibility of anyone having any power over him. Being unknowingly manipulated into doing a god's will has more likelyhood, but thats not really Innoruuk's schtick. Its more a joke worthy of Bristlebane.(((Well i dont think Lucan is the Lucan you think he is. In eq1 I watched him get killed often. Its not like they burried his bodey somewhere. He was destroyed. Granted, no one truly ever dies in a game like this. But his death is pretty epic. And im pretty sure on his death his soul did not have many options on where to go. I cant see the dismal rage letting go of such a prize so easly. I still think hes a husk hiding Innoruuk avatar. Just going through the motions of pretending to be Lucan. in the grand scheme of things? this little plan is nothing compaired to the plans hes done in the past. So what i dont get, is with all the plots and manipulation and 1000's of years waiting for plans and curses to bear fruit, how you think hes not this is not his schtick? Cause i think this is right up his driveway.)))

 

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Sarge

 

 

[Grimjakk]

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Lucan the brain of this mad scheme looks out over freeport and his growing domain. He turns to his dark elf and says, "Are you thinking what im thinking inkie?" The dark elf responds, "Shor am brain, but how we gona get the trolls to dance with the lizards and do the poka?"

Sarge

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okay... you owe me a new drink.  I just sprayed my last one out my nose....

[CuddlingWo]

I am actually pretty interested in this topic, and can see many of the points on both sides... so rather than attempting to pick a side, I will simply offer more information on which to debate, to keep this thread live and kicking.   Even if Killashack and the others who have come up with the theory before him are completely off base, its still good to try and figure things out... so I'll just add a few things.I hope I am not double posting this.... this is information from the EQ2 Atlas, which to my knowledge, the lore within was actually written by the EQ2 lore team as the acknowledgments state credit to "the crack writing team at SOE for their generous donatinon of much of the lore scattered throughout the guide."  It then goes on to specifically list Steve Danuser (Moorguard), Anthony Garcia (Vhalen), Jeremy Gess (Jindrack), Tracy Seamster (OwlChick the Quest Queen), and Noel Walling (Ilucide). (Love ya guys, keep up the good work!!  And come say hi in my channel!  /join Lucan_Dlere.EQLore  You are honored guests any time!)I love the lore in the zone descriptions of the EQ2 Atlas, especially the accounts of what happened within Neriak when it was invaded.  The following is the lore of Beggar's Court:The largest of the districts housed within Freeport's voluminous confines, Beggar's Court was once a prosperous merchant court before it fell on hard times.  Its populace is mostly Human with a scant few Half-Elves also making their homes in this rundown area.  And, though run-down it may be, that does not mean its occupants are any less proud of their home.  For a place with such a bedraggled name, Beggar's Cout is stunningly neat and tidy, proving that its inhabitants have a lot of pride in their surroundings (poor though they are).All that being said, Beggar's Court is the place to go to procure some less-than-legal implements.  Contraband is king in Beggar's Court and much of what is found here cannot be found in the city's other, more respectable, areas.  If you're looking for something slightly unlawful, there is every chance you will find it nestled here amongst the patched sail- and bed sheet-covered stalls.So.. it described Beggar's Court as a neat and tidy place, though its still a slum.. but only because it fell on hard times since it was one prosperous.   It refers to other more respectable areas, but those are probably the city proper, as the lore of other zones in freeport, don't really ever make the claim to be better than Beggar's Court in the EQ2 atlas.. at least not starting race zones.This is what the EQ2 Atlas has to say on LongShadow Alley:Longshadow Alley is unique among the districts of Freeport.  The reason for this difference is simple- only one race resides here: the Teir'dal, or Dark Elves, as their Human neighbors refer to them.  The Overlord counts the Teir'Dal as one of his most useful resources and has granted them the district as a show of gratitude for the service of one of their kind, the Foci of the Academy of Arcane Science.   As you enter Longshadow Alley, the first thing that commands attention is the fountain that houses an imposing statue of an angelic warrior fighting a lion.  The current speculation is that it was a symbol placed there by the Overlord himself so that his residents woul dnever forget where their loyalty should lie.  The Dark Elves adhere to all of Lucan's laws with apparently unwavering loyalty, but what happens in the shadows of the alley is anyone's guess.One of the more striking features of Longshadow Alley is a large, raised platform surrounded by small altars of fire.  The markings on the platform match the symbols of other areas of the city of Freeport.  It is said that these are the conduits for a teleportation spell used by the Foci herself for her frequent visits to the district.  ((NOTE: I've never seen one... hmmph))A Dark Elf of mysterious origin, the Foci is the head of the Academy of Arcane Science.  She is generally considered to be the most powerful mage in all of Freeport, second only to the Overlord in sheer might, and is enigmatic as any of Norrath's higher powers.See why I love the EQ2 atlas?Again, not taking sides in this debate really, its an interesting theory that I think makes sense in a lot of ways, but so does much of what is said against it.  I do think these two tidbits of often overlooked lore might help add to the debate a bit with some additional EQ2 accurate information.If the EQ2 Atlas lore has been posted online, great.. if not, if anyone wants to hear any more of the lore hidden within the Atlas, just send me a PM and ask me what zone its in reference to.Draxehn

Edit:  Thought I would include the Designers board IDs so everyone knows who wrote the EQ2 Atlas lore and can give them proper credit for the wonderful tidbits found within.

Message Edited by CuddlingWolf on 06-27-2006 06:38 AM

[Troubor]

I'm pretty much a full supporter in Sarge's theory...even if it ends up disproven, I do enjoy it, and enjoy how it's created so much speculation and debate, all of it very well thought out and cordial.

 

One thing I do wish to research more when I have more time is Antonia Bayle.  It might be more of a stretch, but is "Aunt Bile" as Sarge keeps calling her (With Troubor IC giving a slight cringe then a smile, or just not making comment to be diplomatic), a possible servant, avatar or some other way very strongly connected with Erollisi Marr.  IF Sarge's hypothesis ends up true, IMO it does give a nice counterbalance..Lucan really being an avatar of Innorruk/Hate...Antonia being an avatar of Erollisi/Love.  Sarge planted the idea of Antonia possibly being an avatar into my skull, so thus that's why I do want to sometime soon start doing some more digging..done some basics on the surface, but nothing that can't be found on the lore forums here. 

 

Another idea....this one planted again by Sarge to give credit, is what if the "return of the Gods" will be each city ruler openly admitting they are avatars?  If such a return is happening at all, would be a different way of doing it..instead of the whole pantheon of the EQ1 dieties coming in, we get the two avatars...with maybe a third one (Tunare's maybe?) in the Expansion pack?

 

Last paragraph is of course open speculation/rambling..but well..it is a nice idea IMO.  Might as well throw it out there for discussion.

[Sabatini]

The info given above from the atlas I think does a better job of reconciling impressions gotten by name with what you can see by simply stop looking in 'Tomes' and actually getting out and seeing the areas with your own eyes and talking with the people who live there. I think thats my problem with this entire theory. It flies in the face of any impression you'd gain of the Overlord based on current game. The Overlord is currently thought to be the reigning 'evil' force in the land. His reputation, quite honestly is so bad, that why not just go all the way? If he was trying to hide it, he'd do a much better job of it. If Innoruuk was the crafty god you think he is, then he'd seriously do a better job of it.Making the 'Kinda evil' guy into the 'Seriously evil' guy is, to be blunt, some very lazy writing and not very exciting. (This was my problem with 'Knights of the Old Republic II')Gosh who'd have guessed the Evil guy was avatar of hate? Or that sexy leader was the avatar of love? Who'd care? It wouldnt really change much in what everyone thought, only the intensity of the threat.No if Innoruuk was going to be crafty, he'd be manipulating events behind a face no one would ever suspect. Someone so untouchably 'good' that no one would ever think a bad thing about her. And he'd dress his avatar in something so trampy that her subjects would have trouble looking at her eyes, let alone her true intentions. Thats why he went for a High Elf in the past, and why now he'd be using ...Antonia Bayle.Think of how amazing a story that would be? Imagine if the only one who could save Norrath from the Avatar of Hate was the 'Big Bad' himself..Lucan? Now that would be a delicious turn of events that would throw every player's preconceptions out the window.And there is actually some evidence pointing in that direction if you look for it. I'll avoid any spoilers, but one need simply look below the streets of Qeynos to find a whole nest of evil.Further if we cheat a little and look towards the new expansion we'd know that the Gods are coming back at the same time we have a new city, and potentially new 'spokesmodel' for the game boxes. What better time to introduce the decendant of a certain sexy High Elf we knew from before the shattering?

Message Edited by Sabatini on 06-27-2006 08:21 AM

[Troubor]

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Sabatini wrote:


No if Innoruuk was going to be crafty, he'd be manipulating events behind a face no one would ever suspect. Someone so untouchably 'good' that no one would ever think a bad thing about her. And he'd dress his avatar in something so trampy that her subjects would have trouble looking at her eyes, let alone her true intentions. Thats why he went for a High Elf in the past, and why now he'd be using ...Antonia Bayle.

Message Edited by Sabatini on 06-27-2006 08:21 AM

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Something about the "dress his avatar in something so trampy..." really gave me a chuckle.  No, not belitting your counter hypothesis..in fact if anything I find it something to discuss also..could it be that Antonia is not nearly as good as claimed.  But...the whole "dress her trampy, so no-one looks in her eyes" idea IMO is funny.  The sex sells when deceiving mortals hypothesis? 

Anyway...this even makes me even more so want to do some digging on Ms. Bayle when I do get the chance.  Really see if I can find some clue that either screams "Yes, she is who she says she is", or "No..she's an avatar of Erollisi" or even "No, she's a deceptive avatar of Innorruk posing as a benevolent ruler".  I suspect I'm going to end up with "Who knows"...or some such...but well, do want to see if I can find some things other then the easy to find lore that might point some direction or another.

 

[Sabatini]

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Arvig wrote:

Something about the "dress his avatar in something so trampy..." really gave me a chuckle.  No, not belitting your counter hypothesis..in fact if anything I find it something to discuss also..could it be that Antonia is not nearly as good as claimed.  But...the whole "dress her trampy, so no-one looks in her eyes" idea IMO is funny.  The sex sells when deceiving mortals hypothesis? 

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((Clearly thats what the art dept. at Sony believes when they tried to sell this game, right? And it would make for some tasty irony. :smileywink: )) Any humor here was purely intentional.

Sadly though, one of the best sources of information on what each ruler is truly like has been removed (I think). When I betrayed cities two years ago I got to see a side of each ruler most of its citizens dont usually see. And let me tell you, nothing sets off the old warning flags more like being told the only way you can make up for being for living in the 'evil' city is by killing 505 sentients for the 'Good' one. And they were okay with me meeting my quota using children...interesting.

[Troubor]

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Sabatini wrote:

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Arvig wrote:

Something about the "dress his avatar in something so trampy..." really gave me a chuckle.  No, not belitting your counter hypothesis..in fact if anything I find it something to discuss also..could it be that Antonia is not nearly as good as claimed.  But...the whole "dress her trampy, so no-one looks in her eyes" idea IMO is funny.  The sex sells when deceiving mortals hypothesis? 

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((Clearly thats what the art dept. at Sony believes when they tried to sell this game, right? And it would make for some tasty irony. :smileywink: )) Any humor here was purely intentional.

Sadly though, one of the best sources of information on what each ruler is truly like has been removed (I think). When I betrayed cities two years ago I got to see a side of each ruler most of its citizens dont usually see. And let me tell you, nothing sets off the old warning flags more like being told the only way you can make up for being for living in the 'evil' city is by killing 505 sentients for the 'Good' one. And they were okay with me meeting my quota using children...interesting.

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Took me a bit to think of what you mean when you said "children", but yes, some of the lower level gnoll mobs are named things like "Darkpaw youths", and although I've never done a betrayal quest, have mentored to help friends finish them, both IC and just OOC grinding.

Having said that, if one thinks about it, what would one be doing to prove one has killed 500 gnolls of a non-descript nature, plus 5 that are infamous enough to be known by a unique name?  I would assume a trinket from their body commonly carried by all, or even something like 500 pairs of gnoll ears.  An ear from an adolscent gnoll wouldn't be distinct enough to tell from an adult one, not sure anyone could look at one and say "OH...wait..I meant adults...not the youths...you sicko, we deny you entry, go crawl back to Freeport!".

Then there's the comment that even the youths seem to be a menace...people start adventuring in Antonica around level 10 or so...you try soloing some of the level 11 heroic gnolls at level 10, even if some might (I think) be labelled "youths" or at least use the smaller adolscent sized gnoll model.  The youths do seem agressive enough to attack if someone gets close.  (Can't think of any gnoll mob in Antonica that won't aggro unless gray, at least not offhand).

Or put it another way, if I'm a traveller, adventurer or otherwise, and I see a group of 3 or 4 gnolls charging me barking and growling while shaking weapons, will I stop to wonder if I'm killing adolscent ones, or just defend myself then report I was attacked to the city guard later when I get back home, presuming I survive?

 

[JadeHea]

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Sabatini wrote:



No if Innoruuk was going to be crafty, he'd be manipulating events behind a face no one would ever suspect. Someone so untouchably 'good' that no one would ever think a bad thing about her. And he'd dress his avatar in something so trampy that her subjects would have trouble looking at her eyes, let alone her true intentions. ((( One of the reasons his plans took so long is the fact he cant pretend to be good. After just a short time the high elfs would see through his ruse. So when he took the form of others he had to be quick about his bussiness and then leave. If he was Aunt Bile he would be doing things like haveing tantrums that would make a four year old proud every time somone mentioned the name Marr. He can hide his persona much better inside Lucan. I will agree that it is not much of a plot twist to go from a small bad guy to a big bad guy. But again, im just trying to make sence of all the lore pieces i have.

Thats why he went for a High Elf in the past, and why now he'd be using ...Antonia Bayle. ((( The reason he went after high elfs is they were the first race to become dominate and kick out the dragons. He also liked the fact they were acompished users of magic. The fact that they were good and loveing was more of a bonus. He had full intentions of making his children in the shadow of the first dominate race that removed the dragon threat. )))

Think of how amazing a story that would be? Imagine if the only one who could save Norrath from the Avatar of Hate was the 'Big Bad' himself..Lucan? Now that would be a delicious turn of events that would throw every player's preconceptions out the window.((( That would be a great plot twist. It would also mean that Innorukk has learned how to at least pretend to be loving and kind. As he has been Aunt Bile now for at least two years. I just think that would be to hard for him to pull off. But on a side note, maby not... its not like Lucan or Aunt bile makes daily trips to visit the public.)))

And there is actually some evidence pointing in that direction if you look for it. I'll avoid any spoilers, but one need simply look below the streets of Qeynos to find a whole nest of evil. ((( I flipped over all the big rocks on my footpath that goes from the back yard to my deck, under them it was full of scorpians and cockroaches. I think my wife may be the dark elf queen. She does seem to suck the life out of me at times... Yes, yes, im being sarcastic. But my point is even the best of the good cities has to have a place for the dregs to go. But id love for someone to look into this idea and see what lore they come up with.)))

Further if we cheat a little and look towards the new expansion we'd know that the Gods are coming back at the same time we have a new city, and potentially new 'spokesmodel' for the game boxes. What better time to introduce the decendant of a certain sexy High Elf we knew from before the shattering? ((( Ok, i live in vegas. And when soney did the "spokesmodel" thing here it was kinda a big thing. Believe it or not this place is full of sexy, or to coin your word "Trampy" strippers, cocktail girls, showgirls ect. And many turned up to be the new model. And the new Aunt Bile is rather hot! I think they made the new model human just so they would not have to add dorky elf ears each time they did a event or Con. If i remember correctly she has a three year contract.)))

 

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 I would also like to add this. I did not start off thinking Lucan was Innoruuk. What happend was that their are just to many things in freeport that did not make any kind of sence. So I started in freeport and started working backwards through the lore. It just turns out that Lucan has very strong ties to the dismal rage and Innoruuk. And again this is what ive put togther so far.

 I would love to see somone rip apart the town of Queensnots and Aunt Bile and dig deep and see what they find. I cant because working on freeport and Lucan takes to much time. I still have three quest lines in freeport i need to go do, not becuase it has rewards I want... but i want to see that part of the story.  And if someone else wants to dig through freeport lore and see if they come up with somthing differnt, id welcome that as well.

Sarge

Message Edited by JadeHeart on 06-27-2006 09:57 AM

[Sabatini]

So, to be clear, you think it is possible for Innoruuk to put a 3000 year plan into action that involves him pretending to be a High elf, but couldnt pull off making an avatar of the queen of Qeynos for for say 5-10 years at most? If he could pull off one, he certainly could the other, right? (edit. nevermind, looks like you caught that and covered it while I was writng this...)

And really, its not like Antonia has done much in the way of public showings of love and kindness. Remember those humans in Beggar's Court you were concerned about? Well Antonia puts her her race in a Hovel. And like you mentioned, outside of Vegas, she doesnt leave her castle much. :smileywink:

The real problem with researching Antonia, is that unlike Lucan, her history before becoming queen wasnt very well documented. For the most part, everyone has taken for granted that she's exactly who she says she is. If you look at Qeynos through an outsider's eyes (which was how I first experienced it) something isnt quite right there either. Qeynos isnt nearly as good as it likes to think it is...nor is Freeport as completly evil. (Just like real life)

Anyway I'm just playing Devil's advocate as usual. I dont buy into my theory any more than yours, just making the point that either are equally possible...or not. Its all in how you interpret things. Either way its a fun pulling together all the lore and clues strewn about. I'd be just happy that there actually was a greater mystery to be solved with clues given over the last two years, regardless of the actual solution. Dont stop digging, it makes for great reading. And in Norrath or out, its always great fun to talk with you... Just stay away from my hat! Those feathers are expensive to replace.

Just as an amusing postscript, though, when I was visiting the DIsmal Rage yesterday, one of the priests invoked Bristlebane's name (of all gods) in conversation with me. Maybe there's more to my earlier joke about him than I thought...

Message Edited by Sabatini on 06-27-2006 11:51 AM

[Ranger1017]

To clear up the Befallen/Stormhold, there was a story explaining how Stormhold was built much later, and as it was built by the Knights of Thunder much like Befallen was, it shared certain architectural similarities. It was when the Bone Bladed Claymore was brought from Befallen to Stormhold that the taint of old Befallen was brought with it, causing all the undead we see today. I can't find that story at the moment, but I do have a quote:

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Stormhold is not Befallen. What has....umm...befallen Befallen has yet to be revealed. But it is related to Stormhold.

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Tony "Sir Lucan" Garcia
EQII Game Designer

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from this thread:

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=8908

[Lings]

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JadeHeart wrote:

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Lucan has his subtle moments, but for the most part he has a crusader's directness. Nothing says 'There is no higher power' more like floating your house over a city and taking a name like the Overlord. And as far dieties go, is Innoruuk any more subtle? That certainly isnt what he represents. If Lucan were really the Avatar of Innoruuk I dont think there would be much in the way of attempts to conceal it. ((( Ok, you seem to see Innoruuk in a differnt light than I do. He is very subtle in my view. When the gods left him out of the creation prossess he hated them for it. (go figure) And he made a plan for revenge. This plan took about 3000 years to complete. Involved him hiding his true form and apearing high elven. placeing cursed around the world and corrupting the first high elf king and queen into the parrents of the Teir`Dal, and pitting enemys against each other til his children could become the force that they were. When he has a plan he will go to great lengths to conceal it. Even taking the guise of someone else. "Is Innoruuk any more subtle?" Im gona say yes he is.)))

Well... I think you misunderstood partially... While Sabatini did seem to say that Innoruk wouldn't hide it...it also says that Lucan isn't the least bit subtle (for the most part). His methods of demonstrating his power include having the Foci conjure up a storm to cover the continent of D'Lere and living in a giant floating castle that can be seen from hundreds of miles away. As Sab said, that's pretty much the biggest way of saying "There's no higher power than mine."

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I wouldn't really agree that BC is the poorest or slummiest of the starting cities...

However, on track, I think that Lucan has his reasons for what he does, but I don't think that being Innoruk is part of them (just my opinion here)

As for whether the Lucan dying and becoming a Lich thing in EQ1... That doesn't necessarily equate to him being destroyed from a lore standpoint.

As I recall, people killed Lord Nagafen many times, yet he's still alive and well. Wasn't Kerafyrm killed a few times also?

It IS a source by which to confirm that he is in some way, an undead.

Also, there's still an NPC in the game that tells you that the Dismal Rage has found a source of power other than the gods of old. I think it might be one of the people in the Sunken City.

The Qeynos thing... I can see as much corruption and evil in Qeynos as I do in Freeport. It's just that the corruption and such in Freeport is right there on the surface. In Qeynos, it's much more subtle; you really have to look close to find it.

[JadeHea]

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Well... I think you misunderstood partially... ((( No, I understand.)))While Sabatini did seem to say that Innoruk wouldn't hide it...it also says that Lucan isn't the least bit subtle (for the most part). ((( And i think this is where you guys get confused. I hate beating a dead horse but... Im debateing from the point that there is no Lucan. That Inoruuk is pretending to be Lucan.))) His methods of demonstrating his power include having the Foci conjure up a storm to cover the continent of D'Lere and living in a giant floating castle that can be seen from hundreds of miles away. As Sab said, that's pretty much the biggest way of saying "There's no higher power than mine."(((Yep, he wants everyone to worship him as Lucan. I could not agree more.)))

 

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I wouldn't really agree that BC is the poorest or slummiest of the starting cities... ((( Ok, this sounds like an opinion? My personal opinion is that it looks nice. But im not basing this off opinions. Again, Game lore, Released storyline updates, In game quest and npc text. If you have any of that that differs from the lore ive found by all means please post it. But honestly id really like to stop debating that Beggers Court looks nice so it doesnt matter what the game lore says about it.)))

However, on track, I think that Lucan has his reasons for what he does, but I don't think that being Innoruk is part of them (just my opinion here)((( Again, opinion... I would love for you to post his reasons and the game text, lore ect. you have for them. )))

As for whether the Lucan dying and becoming a Lich thing in EQ1... That doesn't necessarily equate to him being destroyed from a lore standpoint.(((Thats not what happend? he just died in eq1. he bacame a lich later. And if you read my posts from before I have already stated that no one really dies in a vidio game. Its like a bad soap opra. They keep comming back fromthe grave. )))

As I recall, people killed Lord Nagafen many times, yet he's still alive and well. Wasn't Kerafyrm killed a few times also? (((Again I already coverd this. Either you havent read all my posts or you like beating the dead horse. Leave the dead horse alone!!! )))

It IS a source by which to confirm that he is in some way, an undead.((( Not really, Confirming somthing is finding a clear statement in lore or game text. Not drawing a conclusion based off lore or game text. When you draw a conclusion you get a theory. And this is what i have... a theory.)))

Also, there's still an NPC in the game that tells you that the Dismal Rage has found a source of power other than the gods of old. I think it might be one of the people in the Sunken City. ((( Yes, and this is what I call red herring quests. Missinformation that soneys gives to sell part of an idea. Like the info they gave about Aunt Bile. She had no idea she was being groomed to be a queen? Im sorry, but if i got elfs and humans, giving me lessons in kingdom managment 101, Master magery, Diplomancy, and race protocals... Im gona take a hint or two about the future.)))

The Qeynos thing... I can see as much corruption and evil in Qeynos as I do in Freeport. It's just that the corruption and such in Freeport is right there on the surface. In Qeynos, it's much more subtle; you really have to look close to find it.((( Again, id love for somone to go look and post what lore and info they find. If enough lore was found and posted it might shed some light on her story.)))

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Sarge

 

 

Message Edited by JadeHeart on 06-27-2006 08:07 PM

[CuddlingWo]

Sabatani said: So, to be clear, you think it is possible for Innoruuk to put a 3000 year plan into action that involves him pretending to be a High elf, but couldnt pull off making an avatar of the queen of Qeynos for for say 5-10 years at most?Are you refering to the twisting of the dark elves on the plane of hate?  Because that took 300 years.  I'm a bit confused because the only mentioning I know of him pretending to be a high elf is when he travelled to Takish-Hiz as described in the PnP, and even there it says 300 years.  I seem to remember reading 3000 years somewhere, but always assumed it was a typo since every official telling of the lore I can find, says 300 years.EIther way, your point is completely valid.  300 years vs 5-10 years is still a pretty good point.  You just reminded me of reading that 3000 year thing somewhere and finding out it wasn't true when I checked other lore sources.

[Troubor]

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Sabatini wrote:

And really, its not like Antonia has done much in the way of public showings of love and kindness. Remember those humans in Beggar's Court you were concerned about? Well Antonia puts her her race in a Hovel. And like you mentioned, outside of Vegas, she doesnt leave her castle much. :smileywink:

(Snipped most of the quote since I'm only replying to one specific part:  Troubor)

Message Edited by Sabatini on 06-27-2006 11:51 AM

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Well...Antonia is technically 1/28th elf, and the half elves are housed with the wood elves over in Willow Wood..but yes, I know she says she considers herself human also...I do remember seeing that in an "interview" with her.

One thing to throw out there, her Major Domo (just calling him this, forget his actual title if any) is Murrar Shar...a Kerran.  She housed the Humans over in Nettleview Hovel...along with the Kerrans.  Now...is she saying that the Hovel isn't so bad, since her own race (or at least how she claims to see herself) and her Major Domo's people are both together in what was called a hovel..or is this her way of showing subtle disdain toward both humans and kerrans?

Then again, one could argue that Nettleview Hovel can't be THAT bad...the Ironforges have an obvious influence in the city, and are a human family, they aren't exactly throwing a fit over the human refugees first being housed there.

But then again, there's a lot of NPC Humans in Starcrest Commune too, hanging out with the Erudites.  In fact, the starting guide to Qeynos lists both Nettleview & Starcrest as "human villages" in part:

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/guide.vm?classId=99&id=4

Anyway...something to think about...is their any realtion to where the humans have been placed in either city?

 

[Sabatini]

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Are you refering to the twisting of the dark elves on the plane of hate?  Because that took 300 years.  I'm a bit confused because the only mentioning I know of him pretending to be a high elf is when he travelled to Takish-Hiz as described in the PnP, and even there it says 300 years.  I seem to remember reading 3000 years somewhere, but always assumed it was a typo since every official telling of the lore I can find, says 300 years.

EIther way, your point is completely valid.  300 years vs 5-10 years is still a pretty good point.  You just reminded me of reading that 3000 year thing somewhere and finding out it wasn't true when I checked other lore sources.

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Actually my source was Sarge above in his response to me. Seemed a rather large number to just pull out so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he had a source for it. :smileywink:

And Troubor, my point about Nettlesville Hovel is that anything you could say about Beggar's Court would equally apply to there. In reality neither is as bad a starting area as the name applies. But...in Freeport, the area the Dark Elves live in looks considerably worse, while in Qeynos the High Elves live in a beautiful castle setting...with frogs.

[Troubor]

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Sabatini wrote:

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Are you refering to the twisting of the dark elves on the plane of hate?  Because that took 300 years.  I'm a bit confused because the only mentioning I know of him pretending to be a high elf is when he travelled to Takish-Hiz as described in the PnP, and even there it says 300 years.  I seem to remember reading 3000 years somewhere, but always assumed it was a typo since every official telling of the lore I can find, says 300 years.

EIther way, your point is completely valid.  300 years vs 5-10 years is still a pretty good point.  You just reminded me of reading that 3000 year thing somewhere and finding out it wasn't true when I checked other lore sources.

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Actually my source was Sarge above in his response to me. Seemed a rather large number to just pull out so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he had a source for it. :smileywink:

And Troubor, my point about Nettlesville Hovel is that anything you could say about Beggar's Court would equally apply to there. In reality neither is as bad a starting area as the name applies. But...in Freeport, the area the Dark Elves live in looks considerably worse, while in Qeynos the High Elves live in a beautiful castle setting...with frogs.

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Oh, I understood your point, that's what prompted me to ramble on about Nettleview and Starcrest.  If Nettleview is truly a hovel, not only does she place some of the humans there, but the people of her major domo Murarr there too.

But if you want beautiful settings, IMO the best are Willow Wood and Baubbleshire.  Although Castleview isn't bad..but if you look at the inn, I think one or two windows are busted out and boarded up..been ages since I have though.

As for where they put the Frogloks...well, I was pretty new to the game when they were unlocked, but I half expected them to clear out the Peat Bog and switch it to a housing area at the time. 

 

[JadeHea]

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Actually my source was Sarge above in his response to me. Seemed a rather large number to just pull out so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he had a source for it. :smileywink:

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Pffft Me have a source?? **chuckles** of course i do. That number is a rough number That I quickly rounded up when I did a mental sift thorugh the timeline. It starts from the point where the gods left him out of the creation. And he gets angry and makes a plan. And it ends when hes children are on on top of the food chain.  ill post some of the timeline.

 

Age of Scale:
...0 - 2700
Veeshan creates the Dragons
Brell creates the Kobolds

Elder Age:
2700 - 3000
1st pact of the gods

Age of Monuments:
3000 - ?
2nd pact of the gods
3615 - 5 different tribes iksar


If the Iksars are created in 3000, and were enslaved kinda fast (if they had the time to settle down, they would have rather died than fall into slavery, we know iksars )... And if the 5 tribes took like 10 years to be formed (that's a rough estimation *sighs*), then the Green Mist freed the Iksars in 3605, which I rounded to 3600 to make it easier.
It makes the enslavement lasts for something like 600 years, which is honorable for a millenium in my opinion.
So if the Gren Mist came in 3600 AN, it's 0 AG, we have the cross reference to compare AN and AG datations.

What else do we know ?

"The Prince of Flame watched the elves quietly build and live without conflict for thousands of years. [...] Innoruuk tortured the elven king and queen of Takish-Hiz for 300 years."
(from the LDoN dialogs after completing Adventures in Rujarkian Hills)

"This civilization flourished for a handful of decades before their magical powers became so great that the dragons of the world awoke and grew jealous."
(on language, research & magic - EQ book)

"Qeynos was built after the Combine Empire fell which really wasn't that long ago in Norrath's history, about 5000 to 5100."
(Vahlar-Dev - EQ forums)

"Antonius Bayle II was crowned in 5191 at the age of 36. He lead the movement to have the continent of Tunaria renamed Antonica, obsensibly in Honor of his father, but of course his own name was the same, as some sages wryly noted at the time. During his reign, the hole was formed when the heritics of Erudin revolted against thier high council and left thier citadel. This marked the beginning of the age of Turmoil, during which Antonius Bayle II was dubbed the "Great Defender
The Third member of the dynasty was born in 5214 and spent his childhood watching the events of the world unfold. During his time Sir Lucan took over the trade city of freeport and the heretics of Erudin completed the construction of their city Paineel. When he came to power, he did his best to be neutral. His efforts at remaining so earned his the nickname the Great Diplomat"
(MoM book)

It means:

- Innoruk watched the elves for more than 1000 years, then created the Dark Elves 300 years later, which means at least 1300 years passed between the creation of the elves and the one of the dark elves.

2nd pact of the gods
3000 - Cazic-Thule creates the Trolls, Lizard Men and Iksars
Bristlebane creates the Halflings
Rallos Zek creates the Ogres and Orcs
3600 - iksar free ?
3615 - 5 different tribes iksar
4000/4300 - Innoruuk takes the 1st Elven King & Queen of Takish-Hiz, creates the Teir'Dal
1st Rallosian Army enters Plane of Earth, the Gods curse Ogres, Goblins, Giants

Age of Blood :
4600 - 5000
4600 - Enlightenment of Barbarians
4700 - Raise of the Combine Empire
Fall of Takish-Hiz, the Elves flee to Faydwer

Lost Age :
5000 - ?
5000 - Fall of the Combine Empire
Freeport founded as we know it by Aataltaal
5130 - Qeynos founded

5315 - Everquest begins

 

 The number of 3000 years that im refering to is roughly from the end of the age of scale, when creation was first starting. (((Edit: let me clairify this part. The first part of creation is when the nameless/ageless one created our plane. But he could not "feel" his creation. So he asked the gods to add somthing to give his creation life. so he could feel it. When i speak of the act of creation im speaking of this step. When the gods began to create differnt forms of life. When they went to go do this they found that the dragon god had alredy found this plane and put her children there. But that is a differnt story.)))To the time of eq1 starts. This is about 2700 years. Ok... so thats not 3000 but its not a bad number for an old man to pull out of his head on a moments notice. In that rough 3000 years he has 3 big plans and a number of smaller ones. its a pretty interesting read.

Sarge

Message Edited by JadeHeart on 06-28-2006 03:16 PM

[JadeHea]

 

Ok… let me give you a picture on how I see that Innoruuk operates. It might help you understand where im coming from. Lets talk about three brothers.

 

Rallos Zek- The oldest and the strongest. Dumb as a box of rocks, meaner than rabid dog.

 

Brattigan- Second eldest. He has good strength and good smarts.

 

Innoruuk- The youngest. Not as strong as his two elder brothers, But smarter than both. And he hates them both for being older than him. Bigger than him…

 

 

 Brattagan decides hes gona sneak into Rallos’s room and take a sneak look at the balsawood ship his brother has made. This ship is a big accomplishment for his older brother. The Fact is Rallos is abit slow and it took him a year to put this model together. Brattigan is poking around at the sails, playing with the little cannons on the ship.

 

 When all of a sudden his older brother walks in. Rallos sees that Brattigan is playing with his toy and gets mad. Rallos proceeds to give him several punches around the head and shoulders and kicks Brattigan out of his room with a resounding “AND STAY OUT!”

 

 Nurseing his wounds Brattigan goes and gets his favorite book (Scantly clad rulers of Norath.) And goes to flop down on the couch and do some reading. But on his arivel to the couch he finds his younger brother there watching tv. Smileing he picks up his younger briother and carries him kicking and screaming to the young boys room. “Your time for tv is over little man.” Brattigan says with a grin. “I will get you for this!” snarls Innoruuk.

 

Brattigan on his way back to the couch stops by the kitchin for an apple. Reaching into his pocket for his pocket knife, he finds its not there. Shrugging to himself he sits on the couch and proceeds to eat his apple and reads his book.

 

(((Now lets look at the dynamics here. Innoruuk and Rallos have this big brother watches out for the little brother thing going. And Innoruuk doesn’t wish to break that alliance. But he hates both his brothers and he really want to get revenge on Brattigan. So he makes a plan…)))

 

Brattigan wakes up to hear a horrid screeching coming from Rallos’s room. Rallos come stomping out to the living room holding his ruined model ship in his hand. The sails are cut, the masts are smashed. The cannons and little men are all missing… And stabbed into the hull of the ship is Brattigans pocket knife.

 

 Brattigan quickly begins to rise from the couch. “Rallos I did not…” Before he can finish what hes saying, Both Rallos and Brattigan notice small cannons and little men falling from his open pockets while he is standing up. Brattigan looks at all the little men and cannons now on the floor. Then up to the livid face of his older brother. Rallos smiles “Here brother, let me return you your knife…”

 

Now I cant write what happens next. As there may be women and children readying these boards. But the whole time its happening, Innoruuk is jumping up and down cheering on his ally. “Kick his [Removed for Content]! Cut him again Rallos! Teach that mean brother of ours a lesson!”

 

((Now to me this is classic Innoruuk, hating and hurting everyone. Even his allies. But making it so his allies don’t hate him back. And still getting revenge on those who have wronged him. Its creative, its evil, at its over 1000 times worse than anything they ever did to him.))

 Now, I just cant believe that Innoruuk meant what he was saying at the council of gods. That they should sit back and leave the world of Norath alone. I think he is still angry about being left out from all the councils of creations. And we all know that hate is his big thing. He is also big on revenge. Only because he hates everyone, and he hates those that he thinks have wronged him even more. Or maybe they just get the main focus of his hate.

 

 I think that he wishes to corrupt and destroy the world in his fashon, it’s the perfect ending to the rest of the gods for leaving him out of its creation.

 

  But now we are getting into something different. We are getting into the “Why Innoruuk wants to destroy the world” part of my notes. And this is a whole different book. And when I say destroy… I mean his adaptation of destruction. And that is more like perverse corruption of the other gods ideals and creations.

 

 I personally believe he cannot create. He can’t even make it rain. He can only corrupt. I think that’s why he had to have his mortal mistress make the rain while he claimed he could do it.

Look at the two classes he "created".

1st Necromancer The dark elf queen. She learned this skill by sucking the life out of her husband.

1st Shadow Knight The dark elf king. He learned to use his hatred for his wife to improve his warrior abilities. To even draw on hate itself to grant him power.

 

These are not so much creations as that are corruptions. I have been trying to find a solid piece of lore that has him creating somthing from nothing. Real creation not just some sort of preversion/corruption. If any of you know of lore stateing otherwise id sure love to see it.

 

Sarge

 

Message Edited by JadeHeart on 06-28-2006 02:51 PM

[Rashaak]

/ponder

 

I think that the Foci is the Avatar of Hate and that Lucan is nothing more than a 'reanimated' pawn being used by the Foci, due to the fact he had gone to many great lengths to make sure he was a figure head amongst the people of Freeport.

 

"He inspires loyalty through fear, never showing any sign of weakness. But it is the forceful and insistent manner in which he speaks that captivates the crowd and helps make him a brutally effective leader."

 

I wouldn't put it past the Teir'dal to use his body as a means to instill fear, loyalty, and hate amongst Freeport and the people of Norrath.

[Nocturnal Aby]

Alright...I've read the entire thing, and, thought I'm sure you have a lot of circumstantial evidence to back up your theory, it seems to me that a lot of the things you base your theory is interperative (which, no doubt, is why you claim it to be a theory and not fact). 

 

 On the topic of Beggars' Court:  As CuddlingWolf, aka Drax, pointed out, of the Districts, Beggars' Court has probably one of the nicer histories.  At one time, it was the home to wealthy businessmen, but fell on hard times.  This deffinately beats out Scale Yard, which used to be a holding cell for the iksar, and the Byway, Longshadow, Big Bend, simply seem to be sectioned off streets set up for the purpose of providing a district for the various races.  I think it's important to realise something here.  It seems from the lore I've gathered (and trust me, I have volumes as well, though most of mine I have simply read from various sources, such as Lumena's History of Norrath, Vhalen's quotes on these boards, as well as NPC dialogues in game)  that sectioning of these districts is a relatively new thing.  We know that the Ratonga weren't even around until 15-20 years ago, at least not looking for refuge in the cities, also, there is still an old man in Temple Street who refuses to move.  To me, the fact they allow him to live here is very odd, considering that he forced the kerra and erudites to live together as a show of his unquestionable power, and yet have an old codger defy the mandate of Lucan and stay in his home.  Also, the fact there is a very real lack of personalization in any of the districts.  With such a concentration of the races in these districts, they'd start making them look more like "home".  As things needed to be repaired or rebuilt, the residences would do so, and things would begin to change.  Dark Elf buildings would look more similar to the Foreign Quarter at first, and then grow to be like the other Neriaks sections (odd that it was called a quarter when there were only three gates, isn't it? Sorry, tangent).  The Erudite structures would begin to look more like those of Paineel,  and in Temple Street, you'd have mechanized door knockers, gears and whirligigs all over the place, sticking out of walls, Maybe some windmills on top of buildings, supplying power.  Scale Yard might begin to look more like Cabilis.  These changes would be relative quick to occur in places like Longshadow, Stonestair, and Scale Yard, because of the superiority complexes of these races.  As has been pointed out, no self-respecting Teir'Dal would tolerate living in the squaller that you see in Longshadow.  The same would go doubly so for the Erudites.  I don't think enough time has passed for this individualization to occur, meaning that the districts themselves are a fairly new concept (Since the Shattering, maybe?)

As I said, the districts seem like a relatively new development, and it would make sense to do so.  Before the revamp, we were told that each city used to pay hansomely for well trained refugees, but in recent years, there have been so many refugees that their price is sunk drastically low.  Both cities are being flooded with people seeking shelter and protection from the wilds of Norrath.  How do you manage this massive influx of people?  You set up ghettos.  To further manage them, and make sure they are able to at least be somewhat productive members of society, you have someone set up to meet them, teach them a little bit about how things work, and tell them where to bunk up.  You will want this person to be able to speak their language, as well as know enough about their culture so that you are sure no misunderstanding can be made, because the last thing you need is unruly adventurers getting slaughtered by your Militia, because they didn't understand the rules.  Body removal would be too annoying.  Therefore you have the Mentors.  Now in order to make sure each refugee speaks to the right mentor, you segragate them, making sure they'll have to filter past their mentor.  By segragation, you are also putting them amidst their kind, possibly distant family, and this will help add to the cohesiveness.  Even though the Overlord is always happy to display his power, as he did in the Stonestair Byway, and he does everytime he gets a traitor from Qeynos (they are always defaulted to live in the district of their arch enemy, ie, frogloks live in Big Bend with the trolls), if you had that sort of animosity peppered throughout the city, it would stretch security forces thin, making it that much easier for the eager orcs to cause more trouble.

 

As has been pointed out, humans are more dominant throughout the city than any other race.  Even in the higher ranks, a human High Priestess runs the Dismal Rage, and even in the Militia, I have gotten more writs from humans than any other race.  The Coalition of Tradefolk also has more humans than anything else, perhaps the most racially diverse faction is the Seafury Buccaneers.  Some of the most powerful and well titled Militia officers are...ogres!  To me, it seems that Lucan puts people who proven their loyalty over and over again into places of power.  People he knows will do what he needs done, and do it without hesitation.  To fill this role, the race he uses most?  Well, many of them!  Different jobs require different skills!  One of the things I've bragged about Freeport is that no matter where you begin, if you work hard enough to prove your worth, you can work your way up to the top.  Now, granted humans have to share a district, but another reason might simply be that there are less humans that need a district to live in.  When relocating to create the ghettos, he used the poorest parts of the city.  Therefore, the only humans he'd be moving around, were the poor.  Those who have worked themselves up are already in the city proper.  Furthermore, it is just as likely that there weren't that many humans, so he put the half elves with them to help put the space to good use.

 

Hmm, since I have gone on and on about just the logistics of Beggars Court, I'll post a different post about Lucan himself.

 

 

 

Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on 07-02-2006 01:02 PM

[Cusashorn]

The description from everquest2.com says that Beggars Court used to be the original trade district of the Coalition of Tradesfolk, but is now one of the poorest areas of the city. It's famous as the most popular area to deal with contraband though.

[Diern]

Couple of interesting points here.

The fight cost Lhranc dearly. He lost his dignity as well
as an eye in the struggle.

See any pattern here? heh.

Lhranc was chosen by the Prince of
Hate to bring destruction and turmoil to the sons of men

Perhaps Lucan is in fact Lhranc..... Ok probably not but I do see a recurring theme with these bad guys.

Also the other day I was checking out the Lucan statue in freeport, and it did in fact have a Shadowknight buff

 

Message Edited by Diernes on 07-05-2006 10:34 AM

[Cusashorn]

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Diernes wrote:

Couple of interesting points here.

The fight cost Lhranc dearly. He lost his dignity as well
as an eye in the struggle.

See any pattern here? heh.

Lhranc was chosen by the Prince of
Hate to bring destruction and turmoil to the sons of men

Perhaps Lucan is in fact Lhranc..... Ok probably not but I do see a recurring theme with these bad guys.

Also the other day I was checking out the Lucan statue in freeport, and it did in fact have a Shadowknight buff

 

Message Edited by Diernes on 07-05-2006 10:34 AM

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Only problem is that Lhranc existed before Lucan was ever born.

[Lyriel]

OK, this is just a small point, but one that I noted back in EQ Live the first time my High Elf paladin laid eyes on Lucan in Freeport: Why does his surname follow the Teir'dal naming pattern? I think he is, and has been, Teir'dal all along. Rather like Opal in the academy, who hid her race while above ground. Opens up all kinds of interesting possiblities in my mind...

Lyriel

[Cusashorn]

The Dark Elves arn't the only beings in Norrath who use that naming pattern...

[KidMangaX]

Well, after reading JadeHeart's words about the dark elves, I would like to point something out.

 

1) Lucan is Undead. He is definitley a skeleton and is probobly an Archlich. That is why he is back in EQ2

 

2) His "Mistress/Assistant" is probobly an advisor, and is a Necromancer, as seen in the movie. The proof to this is that she used a Necro-Stun line called "Grasping Bones" on that human knight, and also rooted him before the stun. Also, Necromacy is a common practice among Dark Elves and Iksars, the cruelist and most hateful of Freeport's races.

 

3) Now, here's were I start raving about a conspiracy-----vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv vv

 

 

My Theory-- Lucan D' Lere WAS KILLED IN EQ1, but was revived, by his "Mistress", who may have been a priestess of Innoruuk. She is likley to be an incredibly powerful Necromancer considering her "creation", now called Overlord Lucan D' Lere, can speak, cast spells, and retain his mortal image (meaning you don't see rotted flesh dripping down his face). Also, she probobly has complete, or almost complete control over him, as the Dark Elves DO have a district all to themselves, they are rarley demeaned by anyone in Freeport, and other races are treated with malice (for example, Lucan placed 2 enemy races, the Kerrans and Erudites, in the same neighborhood; The court of humans and half elves was named "Beggar's Court"; etc...).

 

 

Also, I have come to wonder about JadeHeart's other point: Why are the Dark elves even IN freeport? It may be possible that they are going to do one of the following things:

 

1) Take over Freeport ---- BAD!

 

2) They are infiltrating Freeport, and will eventually send for an outside force to take over Freeport ---- BAD!!, BUT PROVES THEY SUCK

 

3) They are infiltrating Freeport for a higher power ---- NOT AS BAD!! BUT ONCE AGAIN PROVES THEY ARE LESSER BEINGS

 

4) They will continue to be snotty little Sasuke Uchiha wannabees, and can all kill each other with Kunai knives for all I care ------ YAY! KILL THE DARK ELVES!

 

5) They will try to take over Freeport, but will fail because their main source of power is the anime NARUTO and there is no TV in norrath, let alone Japanese anime. ---- NOT AS GOOD AS 4, BUT IT'LL PUT THEM IN THEIR PLACE!!

 

6) Iksars Pwn --- WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EE!!!! @______@

 

7) The overlord reduces taxes in freeport, fixes the clouds in KOS, sends Mythical Items to Sahaquiel on the Lucan D'Lere server, and increases cloth relic drop rate in labs! ((Even if  you ARENT a mage, you should agree that there is a 1/100 chance of it dropping instead of chain or leather. Chain and leather are too common! I WANT CLOTH!)) ----- GOOD BUT NOT AS GOOD AS 6!!!

 

 

 

 

There ya have it. don't like it? Thats cuz you're a smelly little dark elf who gets off on Sasuke Uchiha and has no real skills of your own. And no, typing "/em uses the Sharingan!" is NOT A SKILL!

 

 

[Wilde_Night]

Erm... oooookaaay.

[vikingthug]

My god, what the hell does anime have to do with this?  Take your medication and stay away from Jolt!