some SOLO days R over, try MM today. great but now at least let us HIT raid mobs. (cold immune) - Page 2

yzyh · 06-24-2005, 06:05 PM

OneBadAlien wrote:

Power transfers will also be spit on by alot of people calling them a "Chanter's Power" or the "Job of a Healer". While I think that this belief is along the right lines, I DO get a great deal of satisfaction from dumping about 400 power on someone like a healer who is effectively keeping a raid or group alive. There is a certain lvl of happiness gained in knowing that if you hadnt dumped some power on that person, you'd most likely be dead right now. Not to mention people WILL thank you whole heartedly for that even in the midst of a fight.

Your entitled to your opinion, but its just your opinion. Myself, and the majority of wizards DO NOT GET SATISFACTION FROM BEING A MANA PUMP INSTEAD OF A DPS'er. When i say this im referring to raid mobs, i know we do damage solo, but i cant stand soloing especially after the mob buff's. The resistances/immunes need to be adjusted and our power consumption needs to be adjusted, thats all i really ask. A little more dps would bring us in line with warlocks, which is how it should be. I would be happy nonetheless if just our resistances/immunes were adjusted, and our power consumption was brought in line with warlocks.

Unless you have an under equipped warlock you will get out dps'ed everytime. I have a 50 wizard with 16 tier 5 adept 3's, 5 fabled items, a few incombat mana items, and i still run out of power about 1/4th or 1/2th the way through the raid, while my warlock guildmate is 2 levels lower then me, only a few adept 3's, and constantly spams nukes/debuffs/aoe's the second the timer is up, he never ever ever runs out of power and he only has 1 incombat mana item. His dps is double sometimes triple mine. Its stupid, your just a hater IMO dunno why you continue to ignore the facts and then state that being a mana pump is a statisfaction for a dps class. Your a joke.

Its absolutely silly that you get off on that, im sorry for you. I think something slow like checkers would also be your style, its not for me. I enjoy damage, i was told wizards were damage, and not utility, this is what i want. This is also what the majority of wizards want, the far majority. Your definitely in the minority when it comes to your thinking of what a wizzy can and cant do, and what a wizzy should and shouldnt do.

You can continue to disagree with every other wizard thats fine, but your idea of what a wizard should be is completely different from what we were told by SOE a wizard would be(which was at the top of the food chain when it comes to dps). Hence i got shafted and am very very disappointed.

So do the rest of us wizzy's a favor and shut your pie hole, your in the far minority when it comes to thinking what a wizzy should and shouldnt be.

If wizard are so bad and warlock are so powerfull. Why do I always see a way more Wizard then warlock ? Even when I do a /who all wizard 20 30 and /who all warlock 20 30.

Also wizard can dish big dps in raid even if you can't use ice comet most of the time due to resist problem. Yeah sure without these ice spell you wont deal dm as good as a warlock. But you still be a big DPS class.

Then if you don't want to be a mana dump. Just let it know to your raid former b4 the raid start. If your guild is unhappy about that. Leave your guild and join another one.

I am telling that their is many class that need balance b4 the wizard. Lets say chanters, shamans, SK.

And raid speaking I think its worst for the bards and paladin to be rezz bot then wizard beeing mana dump.

No Wizard are not completly balanced yet thats a sure thing. But they are not that bad as some of you syaing. I think that I do see more whinning from the Wizard comunity then I can see from the real gimped class.

Yaotzi · 06-24-2005, 06:16 PM

sigh im going to have to make a post now show rough estimates of how much damage our spells do percent wise versus the daily raid mobs..

SalBlu · 06-24-2005, 06:16 PM

darathar does not equal daily raid zones, wizards do not fill their class role, hell for the all instances (just about) wizards are the most useless and all other classes (except rangers..haha jk guys =P) would be more beneficial to the group. now ive checked out your guild a little saloma and honestly i dont think you have the right to say "oh wizards aren't so bad" when you do 1 zone 3 times a week, trying doing 5 instances,plus the other zones with lockout timers every day and tell me how you feel about wizards in 3-4weeks of no dps and constanst feeding to feel useful.

We dont do 1 zone three nights a week. We do multiple zones, upwards of 2-4 instances every night Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. So if you're not on the Antonia Bayle server, or following my raid group to our raids, I dont see how you're able to make a general statement as to what my guild is and is not capable of. Besides... what does my guild have to do with what a Wizard is capable of?

I do upwards of 10-15 raids a week with my guild, not to mention I am invited to join in on NON-GUILD oriented raids other times. I make it to between 15 and 20 raids a week.

I've been a lvl 50 Raid Wizard since the beginning of March, so before you set out to know what i've been doing, what i'm capable of, and how much I raid, you might first ask me for clarification.

I'm not the noob lvl 50 Wizard you're painting me to be.

Lady Uaelr · 06-24-2005, 06:54 PM

I really think this bantering is so needless. What is the point. Everyone is entiteld to their opinion.

Yes, wizards do get many resists on raids and the spells do upwards of 10-20% of their intended damage.

I understand everyone selected the wizard sub-class to deal devastating damage.

What is the point of arguing or debating about something you have no control over.

You have to sit and wait for the changes to go live.

As a wizard you can destroy adds quickly and when the epic is about <40% health I have noticed that all my spells land more effectively.

I have dealt with the many changes and so have you. Just sit and wait and then decide if this is the game you want to be playing.

Take Care and Please stop the verbal abuse. Just becuase someone writes something positive does not mean SOE will read it and not fix anything.

Faarwolf has made it very clear that the people that post on the forums are a very small portion of the community and the people that post here are not an accurate representation of the general consensus.

So save your energy and focus them on more productive things.

If you are bored and want to push buttons then by all means rip eachothers eyebrows out.

Take Care Everyone.

BlakMagi · 06-27-2005, 10:49 AM

its still possible to solo caster mobs. i still solo lavaborn and MM everyday, bastion is a lot harder but also still possible to solo.

OneBadAli · 06-27-2005, 06:34 PM

Yaotzin! wrote:
darathar does not equal daily raid zones, wizards do not fill their class role, hell for the all instances (just about) wizards are the most useless and all other classes (except rangers..haha jk guys =P) would be more beneficial to the group. now ive checked out your guild a little saloma and honestly i dont think you have the right to say "oh wizards aren't so bad" when you do 1 zone 3 times a week, trying doing 5 instances,plus the other zones with lockout timers every day and tell me how you feel about wizards in 3-4weeks of no dps and constanst feeding to feel useful.

edited because i cant type

Message Edited by Yaotzin! on 06-24-2005 07:02 AM

Wow She's the biggest hater of wizard balance, yet she doesnt even raid enough to truely understand the problems we have. I knew it....

It figures someone with a mouth like hers doesnt even know what she's talking about. Go figure.....

My guild does about 5 epic instances a night and have been doing so forever, i truely understand just how useless we are. She claims in a reply about how helpful she was for her heat resistances, lolz. That should justify all the balance problems we have? We can give a heat reistance buff and we can feed mana in raids, that makes us the true dps'ers were suppose to be?

Its people like her that make me sick, they really dont do enough epic zones to truely understand how many mobs are immune to cold and highly resistant to heat. Yet she can come on here every daily and constantly shoot down 100's of wizards complaining about balance. I really hope that she will stop posting since she really doesnt know what she's talking about. Even if she continues to blab off about how well off we are, enough of us know she doesnt know what she's talking about.

SalBlu · 06-27-2005, 07:19 PM

I guess you didnt read the response I made to him in regards to how much I raid on a nightly basis, so if you missed it, here's what I said:

"We dont do 1 zone three nights a week. We do multiple zones, upwards of 2-4 instances every night Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. So if you're not on the Antonia Bayle server, or following my raid group to our raids, I dont see how you're able to make a general statement as to what my guild is and is not capable of. Besides... what does my guild have to do with what a Wizard is capable of?

I do upwards of 10-15 raids a week with my guild, not to mention I am invited to join in on NON-GUILD oriented raids other times. I make it to between 15 and 20 raids a week.

I've been a lvl 50 Raid Wizard since the beginning of March, so before you set out to know what i've been doing, what i'm capable of, and how much I raid, you might first ask me for clarification.

I'm not the noob lvl 50 Wizard you're painting me to be."

So... do youplay on AB? Have you been tracking my raid progress? Do you know what my guild does on a nightly basis, and for that matter, which raids we are completing on our raid nights? Do you know which other guilds I raid with during the week, and which pick up raids I take part in?

No... you dont. I took part in raids last week that covered 23 instances. That's 3 per night if you try to break it out evenly.

Instead of flaming me and hurling insults, why is it so hard to understand that there is someone out there that is satisfied with our abilities? I dont appreciate being insulted when i've got a right to speak my mind about what i'm capable of as a wizard.

... Wow She's the biggest hater of wizard balance, yet she doesnt even raid enough to truely understand the problems we have. I knew it

... It figures someone with a mouth like hers doesnt even know what she's talking about. Go figure

... Even if she continues to blab off about how well off we are, enough of us know she doesnt know what she's talking about.

Yep... i dont know what i'm talking about. I've only been a Wizard since December, and lvl 50 since March. Oh... I guess I havent been to every raid in the game, and havent been successful in every single one barring Darathar and Froglok EPIC.

I dont appreciate the insults, and it only makes you look petty. If you have a disagreement with what I say... fine. I can respect that, and know that there is another view besides my own here. To make an argument by saying that I dont know what i'm talking about, stating that I dont raid when I DO to a large extent, and throwing a pointed accusation out that i'm opposed to change is not debate, its berating.

You have an issue with what I say? Fine. But at least respond to it in a way that I can read through without seeing insults. Put forth some information besides complaints about what I say. I'm not an idiot, and I dont deserve to be treated as such.

RogueThrill · 06-27-2005, 09:54 PM

I am sick and tired of people complaining about the Wizard end game. There are mobs we can't hit with cold. There are mobs we can't hit with heat. There are VERY FEW mobs we can't hit wiht both (although they exist). As an example, the other day when the guild I am apping tried to kill a contested mob I over aggroed it and got smashed. A contested mob. Sure,we suck in the Meeting of the Minds. Sure, I have to use my Master 1 Ice Spike a lot (it's a great spell, even if it is level 15). But we still do pretty decent damage.

But the most important thing is that there are plenty of classes that can do damage in the short term AND the long term. There are VERY FEW classes that can feed mana to someone who is low. Why people complain about having to feed mana is beyond me... in the end you are just pushing a button either way. The critical thing is that when the MT runs out of mana SOMEONE has to feed them so they can keep up the taunts and Venekor doesn't go ape[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] all over the Assassins and Monks. Or, when you are trying to kill The Cursed and you only have 5 healers SOMEONE has to feed them and make sure they can all keep the MT in the positive.

The raiding wizard is not all about damage. On some mobs you own, on some mobs you suck... but you can ALWAYS play a major role in making sure your guild crosses the finish line and loots the little metal box. So stop whining and do what is needed of you. If you get passed up on raids because someone says "wizards suxor LOL" then count yourself lucky that you don't have to wipe with the rest of those [Removed for Content].

Eriel Jewlar 50 Wizard / 50 Jeweler and Dexire Straits 44 Bruiser - Mistmoore

Skwor · 06-28-2005, 12:37 AM

Logging all the names of those who beleive the wizards is just fine. :smileyvery-happy:

Lets see if SOE agrees with you in the end. As a reminder regardless of how you feel those who are asking for DPS equivalent to warlocks are only asking for what SOE has officially stated. How anyone can continue to say it does not matter when SOE themselves believe it does boggles my mind. Moorgard's statement is fairly clear. No I don't see how it can be taken many ways and in the end mean something completly different. The english was fairly plain and to the point.

trysta · 06-28-2005, 01:38 AM

RogueThrill wrote:

Why people complain about having to feed mana is beyond me... in the end you are just pushing a button either way. The critical thing is that when the MT runs out of mana SOMEONE has to feed them so they can keep up the taunts and Venekor doesn't go ape[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] all over the Assassins and Monks. Or, when you are trying to kill The Cursed and you only have 5 healers SOMEONE has to feed them and make sure they can all keep the MT in the positive.

The raiding wizard is not all about damage. On some mobs you own, on some mobs you suck... but you can ALWAYS play a major role in making sure your guild crosses the finish line and loots the little metal box. So stop whining and do what is needed of you. If you get passed up on raids because someone says "wizards suxor LOL" then count yourself lucky that you don't have to wipe with the rest of those [Removed for Content].

Eriel Jewlar 50 Wizard / 50 Jeweler and Dexire Straits 44 Bruiser - Mistmoore

Alright, I understand that's it all about mashing buttons, but it's the result of mashing those buttons that we're complaining about. We like to see big negative numbers appear over a mobs head when we mash those buttons, not a players mana bar flinch.

Why can't the raiding wizard be all about damage? From day one until they begin raiding, all fighters have one goal - tanking and secondary DPS. From day one until they begin raiding, all healers have the same purpose - making sure their group members stay alive. From day one until they begin raiding, scouts have one primary purpose - perform DPS and enhance some abilities of themselves or their group members. From day one until we begin raiding, wizards purpose change dramatically. We go from 49 levels of doing nothing but nuking and debuffing to until the next expansion comes out mana feeding. This is what we're complaining about.

RogueThrill · 06-28-2005, 02:08 AM

No the point isn't that I don't think wizards should be doing damage. It obviously needs to be worked on. My point is that even when you are able to do more damage to raid mobs you WILL STILL NEED TO BE A BATTERY. It's part of our role in prolonged encounters. People in your raid will need you to perform this function and to do so often. So suck it up and start feeding because someone has to do it and it's our job.

Asterra · 06-28-2005, 03:06 AM

RogueThrill wrote:
No the point isn't that I don't think wizards should be doing damage. It obviously needs to be worked on. My point is that even when you are able to do more damage to raid mobs you WILL STILL NEED TO BE A BATTERY.

This is absolute rubbish, and I will tell you why. Both of the mana dumping spells are packaged with DPS-destroying delays. The lesser mana dump enjoys a spot in the top three longest Wizard cast times, at four seconds - an excruciatingly prolonged cast. The main mana dump comes complete with a fifteen second stun. It should be very obvious that mana dumping is, by design, an emergency alternative to a Wizard's true role of DPS, owing to the fact that one cannot mix the two. You either dump mana or you do DPS, and a solid raid (speaking from experience, I assure you) never needs the Wizard to switch from DPS to mana dumping. The only reason either of the Wizards in my guild ever gets asked is because it is typical that we are doing next to zero DPS anyway, and supposedly that scenario is going to become a non-issue when they fix the class.

Message Edited by Asterra on 06-27-2005 04:07 PM

indra02 · 06-29-2005, 01:05 PM

For those who thing that the "powerpump" role should make everyone happy, I am telling you that you should try to find their EQ2 game manual or check the class description on the official SOE site (http://eq2players.station.sony.com/classes/). If you don't have time, I will just quote what is there:

"Wizards are masters of the arcane arts who tap into the elemental powers of fire and ice. Wielding these powerful forces, wizards can inflict startling devastation upon their enemies."

So, this is what I was really expecting when I created this character. Now who is telling me that the DPS role is not important and I have to bee happy with my powerpump or utility role must be out of his mind or is not really aware what Wizard class should be (this taking into consideration the official SOE statement).

Really guys, I don't know what's the matter with you? You like you Wizard as it is now, or if you like the utility role, fine. What I don't understand is why you wouldn't he happy with more and you really want that things stay as they are.

For me is a real disappointment of what Wizard class is at this moment and I really feel that my expectation were betrayed. Different players have different styles of playing while I can understand that some of us are defensive oriented or utility oriented, I don't understand why the class should not be modified so that is can fulfill it's primary role (DPS).

RogueThrill · 06-29-2005, 08:56 PM

Don't be silly, I never said I like not being able to nuke the hell out of mobs. I think things should be improved. All I am saying is that you have these spells for transferring mana for a reason. You will encounter situations in which you will need to use them and you should. This is not a role a wizard should shy away from. There will be times when you are going at a x4 with 12 dudes and the healers are bound to run out of mana... and you should feed them.

I just think the problem is grossly overstated and that the people who are constantly complaining are reactionaries with no sense of being a role based class for the time being. I have raided everything in the game aside from one contested mob I will likely be killing soon, I am not having these terrible problems everyone else is. There are very few mobs I can't hit with either heat, cold or magic based damage spells. Things need to be adjusted relative to Warlocks.... but those things are being done. There is no need for all these damned "the sky is falling" posts.

Eriel Jewlar 50 Wizard / 50 Jeweler - Dexire Straits 44 Bruiser - Mistmoore

06-24-2005, 06:05 PM	#31
yzyh Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 489	OneBadAlien wrote: Power transfers will also be spit on by alot of people calling them a "Chanter's Power" or the "Job of a Healer". While I think that this belief is along the right lines, I DO get a great deal of satisfaction from dumping about 400 power on someone like a healer who is effectively keeping a raid or group alive. There is a certain lvl of happiness gained in knowing that if you hadnt dumped some power on that person, you'd most likely be dead right now. Not to mention people WILL thank you whole heartedly for that even in the midst of a fight. Your entitled to your opinion, but its just your opinion. Myself, and the majority of wizards DO NOT GET SATISFACTION FROM BEING A MANA PUMP INSTEAD OF A DPS'er. When i say this im referring to raid mobs, i know we do damage solo, but i cant stand soloing especially after the mob buff's. The resistances/immunes need to be adjusted and our power consumption needs to be adjusted, thats all i really ask. A little more dps would bring us in line with warlocks, which is how it should be. I would be happy nonetheless if just our resistances/immunes were adjusted, and our power consumption was brought in line with warlocks. Unless you have an under equipped warlock you will get out dps'ed everytime. I have a 50 wizard with 16 tier 5 adept 3's, 5 fabled items, a few incombat mana items, and i still run out of power about 1/4th or 1/2th the way through the raid, while my warlock guildmate is 2 levels lower then me, only a few adept 3's, and constantly spams nukes/debuffs/aoe's the second the timer is up, he never ever ever runs out of power and he only has 1 incombat mana item. His dps is double sometimes triple mine. Its stupid, your just a hater IMO dunno why you continue to ignore the facts and then state that being a mana pump is a statisfaction for a dps class. Your a joke. Its absolutely silly that you get off on that, im sorry for you. I think something slow like checkers would also be your style, its not for me. I enjoy damage, i was told wizards were damage, and not utility, this is what i want. This is also what the majority of wizards want, the far majority. Your definitely in the minority when it comes to your thinking of what a wizzy can and cant do, and what a wizzy should and shouldnt do. You can continue to disagree with every other wizard thats fine, but your idea of what a wizard should be is completely different from what we were told by SOE a wizard would be(which was at the top of the food chain when it comes to dps). Hence i got shafted and am very very disappointed. So do the rest of us wizzy's a favor and shut your pie hole, your in the far minority when it comes to thinking what a wizzy should and shouldnt be. If wizard are so bad and warlock are so powerfull. Why do I always see a way more Wizard then warlock ? Even when I do a /who all wizard 20 30 and /who all warlock 20 30. Also wizard can dish big dps in raid even if you can't use ice comet most of the time due to resist problem. Yeah sure without these ice spell you wont deal dm as good as a warlock. But you still be a big DPS class. Then if you don't want to be a mana dump. Just let it know to your raid former b4 the raid start. If your guild is unhappy about that. Leave your guild and join another one. I am telling that their is many class that need balance b4 the wizard. Lets say chanters, shamans, SK. And raid speaking I think its worst for the bards and paladin to be rezz bot then wizard beeing mana dump. No Wizard are not completly balanced yet thats a sure thing. But they are not that bad as some of you syaing. I think that I do see more whinning from the Wizard comunity then I can see from the real gimped class.

06-24-2005, 06:16 PM	#32
Yaotzi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 31	sigh im going to have to make a post now show rough estimates of how much damage our spells do percent wise versus the daily raid mobs.. __________________

06-27-2005, 06:34 PM	#36
OneBadAli Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 159	Yaotzin! wrote: darathar does not equal daily raid zones, wizards do not fill their class role, hell for the all instances (just about) wizards are the most useless and all other classes (except rangers..haha jk guys =P) would be more beneficial to the group. now ive checked out your guild a little saloma and honestly i dont think you have the right to say "oh wizards aren't so bad" when you do 1 zone 3 times a week, trying doing 5 instances,plus the other zones with lockout timers every day and tell me how you feel about wizards in 3-4weeks of no dps and constanst feeding to feel useful. edited because i cant type Message Edited by Yaotzin! on 06-24-2005 07:02 AM Wow She's the biggest hater of wizard balance, yet she doesnt even raid enough to truely understand the problems we have. I knew it.... It figures someone with a mouth like hers doesnt even know what she's talking about. Go figure..... My guild does about 5 epic instances a night and have been doing so forever, i truely understand just how useless we are. She claims in a reply about how helpful she was for her heat resistances, lolz. That should justify all the balance problems we have? We can give a heat reistance buff and we can feed mana in raids, that makes us the true dps'ers were suppose to be? Its people like her that make me sick, they really dont do enough epic zones to truely understand how many mobs are immune to cold and highly resistant to heat. Yet she can come on here every daily and constantly shoot down 100's of wizards complaining about balance. I really hope that she will stop posting since she really doesnt know what she's talking about. Even if she continues to blab off about how well off we are, enough of us know she doesnt know what she's talking about.

06-28-2005, 01:38 AM	#40
trysta General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 142	RogueThrill wrote: Why people complain about having to feed mana is beyond me... in the end you are just pushing a button either way. The critical thing is that when the MT runs out of mana SOMEONE has to feed them so they can keep up the taunts and Venekor doesn't go ape[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] all over the Assassins and Monks. Or, when you are trying to kill The Cursed and you only have 5 healers SOMEONE has to feed them and make sure they can all keep the MT in the positive. The raiding wizard is not all about damage. On some mobs you own, on some mobs you suck... but you can ALWAYS play a major role in making sure your guild crosses the finish line and loots the little metal box. So stop whining and do what is needed of you. If you get passed up on raids because someone says "wizards suxor LOL" then count yourself lucky that you don't have to wipe with the rest of those [Removed for Content]. Eriel Jewlar 50 Wizard / 50 Jeweler and Dexire Straits 44 Bruiser - Mistmoore Alright, I understand that's it all about mashing buttons, but it's the result of mashing those buttons that we're complaining about. We like to see big negative numbers appear over a mobs head when we mash those buttons, not a players mana bar flinch. Why can't the raiding wizard be all about damage? From day one until they begin raiding, all fighters have one goal - tanking and secondary DPS. From day one until they begin raiding, all healers have the same purpose - making sure their group members stay alive. From day one until they begin raiding, scouts have one primary purpose - perform DPS and enhance some abilities of themselves or their group members. From day one until we begin raiding, wizards purpose change dramatically. We go from 49 levels of doing nothing but nuking and debuffing to until the next expansion comes out mana feeding. This is what we're complaining about. __________________

06-28-2005, 03:06 AM	#42
Asterra Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 158	RogueThrill wrote: No the point isn't that I don't think wizards should be doing damage. It obviously needs to be worked on. My point is that even when you are able to do more damage to raid mobs you WILL STILL NEED TO BE A BATTERY. This is absolute rubbish, and I will tell you why. Both of the mana dumping spells are packaged with DPS-destroying delays. The lesser mana dump enjoys a spot in the top three longest Wizard cast times, at four seconds - an excruciatingly prolonged cast. The main mana dump comes complete with a fifteen second stun. It should be very obvious that mana dumping is, by design, an emergency alternative to a Wizard's true role of DPS, owing to the fact that one cannot mix the two. You either dump mana or you do DPS, and a solid raid (speaking from experience, I assure you) never needs the Wizard to switch from DPS to mana dumping. The only reason either of the Wizards in my guild ever gets asked is because it is typical that we are doing next to zero DPS anyway, and supposedly that scenario is going to become a non-issue when they fix the class. Message Edited by Asterra on 06-27-2005 04:07 PM

06-24-2005, 06:16 PM	#33
SalBlu Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 439	darathar does not equal daily raid zones, wizards do not fill their class role, hell for the all instances (just about) wizards are the most useless and all other classes (except rangers..haha jk guys =P) would be more beneficial to the group. now ive checked out your guild a little saloma and honestly i dont think you have the right to say "oh wizards aren't so bad" when you do 1 zone 3 times a week, trying doing 5 instances,plus the other zones with lockout timers every day and tell me how you feel about wizards in 3-4weeks of no dps and constanst feeding to feel useful. We dont do 1 zone three nights a week. We do multiple zones, upwards of 2-4 instances every night Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. So if you're not on the Antonia Bayle server, or following my raid group to our raids, I dont see how you're able to make a general statement as to what my guild is and is not capable of. Besides... what does my guild have to do with what a Wizard is capable of? I do upwards of 10-15 raids a week with my guild, not to mention I am invited to join in on NON-GUILD oriented raids other times. I make it to between 15 and 20 raids a week. I've been a lvl 50 Raid Wizard since the beginning of March, so before you set out to know what i've been doing, what i'm capable of, and how much I raid, you might first ask me for clarification. I'm not the noob lvl 50 Wizard you're painting me to be.

06-24-2005, 06:54 PM	#34
Lady Uaelr General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 476	I really think this bantering is so needless. What is the point. Everyone is entiteld to their opinion. Yes, wizards do get many resists on raids and the spells do upwards of 10-20% of their intended damage. I understand everyone selected the wizard sub-class to deal devastating damage. What is the point of arguing or debating about something you have no control over. You have to sit and wait for the changes to go live. As a wizard you can destroy adds quickly and when the epic is about <40% health I have noticed that all my spells land more effectively. I have dealt with the many changes and so have you. Just sit and wait and then decide if this is the game you want to be playing. Take Care and Please stop the verbal abuse. Just becuase someone writes something positive does not mean SOE will read it and not fix anything. Faarwolf has made it very clear that the people that post on the forums are a very small portion of the community and the people that post here are not an accurate representation of the general consensus. So save your energy and focus them on more productive things. If you are bored and want to push buttons then by all means rip eachothers eyebrows out. Take Care Everyone.

06-27-2005, 10:49 AM	#35
BlakMagi Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5	its still possible to solo caster mobs. i still solo lavaborn and MM everyday, bastion is a lot harder but also still possible to solo.

06-27-2005, 07:19 PM	#37
SalBlu Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 439	I guess you didnt read the response I made to him in regards to how much I raid on a nightly basis, so if you missed it, here's what I said: "We dont do 1 zone three nights a week. We do multiple zones, upwards of 2-4 instances every night Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. So if you're not on the Antonia Bayle server, or following my raid group to our raids, I dont see how you're able to make a general statement as to what my guild is and is not capable of. Besides... what does my guild have to do with what a Wizard is capable of? *I do upwards of 10-15 raids a week with my guild, not to mention I am invited to join in on NON-GUILD oriented raids other times. I make it to between 15 and 20 raids a week.* *I've been a lvl 50 Raid Wizard since the beginning of March, so before you set out to know what i've been doing, what i'm capable of, and how much I raid, you might first ask me for clarification.* *I'm not the noob lvl 50 Wizard you're painting me to be."* So... do youplay on AB? Have you been tracking my raid progress? Do you know what my guild does on a nightly basis, and for that matter, which raids we are completing on our raid nights? Do you know which other guilds I raid with during the week, and which pick up raids I take part in? No... you dont. I took part in raids last week that covered 23 instances. That's 3 per night if you try to break it out evenly. Instead of flaming me and hurling insults, why is it so hard to understand that there is someone out there that is satisfied with our abilities? I dont appreciate being insulted when i've got a right to speak my mind about what i'm capable of as a wizard. *... Wow She's the biggest hater of wizard balance, yet she doesnt even raid enough to truely understand the problems we have. I knew it* *... It figures someone with a mouth like hers doesnt even know what she's talking about. Go figure* *... Even if she continues to blab off about how well off we are, enough of us know she doesnt know what she's talking about.* Yep... i dont know what i'm talking about. I've only been a Wizard since December, and lvl 50 since March. Oh... I guess I havent been to every raid in the game, and havent been successful in every single one barring Darathar and Froglok EPIC. I dont appreciate the insults, and it only makes you look petty. If you have a disagreement with what I say... fine. I can respect that, and know that there is another view besides my own here. To make an argument by saying that I dont know what i'm talking about, stating that I dont raid when I DO to a large extent, and throwing a pointed accusation out that i'm opposed to change is not debate, its berating. You have an issue with what I say? Fine. But at least respond to it in a way that I can read through without seeing insults. Put forth some information besides complaints about what I say. I'm not an idiot, and I dont deserve to be treated as such.

06-27-2005, 09:54 PM	#38
RogueThrill Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	I am sick and tired of people complaining about the Wizard end game. There are mobs we can't hit with cold. There are mobs we can't hit with heat. There are VERY FEW mobs we can't hit wiht both (although they exist). As an example, the other day when the guild I am apping tried to kill a contested mob I over aggroed it and got smashed. A contested mob. Sure,we suck in the Meeting of the Minds. Sure, I have to use my Master 1 Ice Spike a lot (it's a great spell, even if it is level 15). But we still do pretty decent damage. But the most important thing is that there are plenty of classes that can do damage in the short term AND the long term. There are VERY FEW classes that can feed mana to someone who is low. Why people complain about having to feed mana is beyond me... in the end you are just pushing a button either way. The critical thing is that when the MT runs out of mana SOMEONE has to feed them so they can keep up the taunts and Venekor doesn't go ape[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] all over the Assassins and Monks. Or, when you are trying to kill The Cursed and you only have 5 healers SOMEONE has to feed them and make sure they can all keep the MT in the positive. The raiding wizard is not all about damage. On some mobs you own, on some mobs you suck... but you can ALWAYS play a major role in making sure your guild crosses the finish line and loots the little metal box. So stop whining and do what is needed of you. If you get passed up on raids because someone says "wizards suxor LOL" then count yourself lucky that you don't have to wipe with the rest of those [Removed for Content]. Eriel Jewlar 50 Wizard / 50 Jeweler and Dexire Straits 44 Bruiser - Mistmoore

06-28-2005, 12:37 AM	#39
Skwor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 338	Logging all the names of those who beleive the wizards is just fine. :smileyvery-happy: Lets see if SOE agrees with you in the end. As a reminder regardless of how you feel those who are asking for DPS equivalent to warlocks are only asking for what SOE has officially stated. How anyone can continue to say it does not matter when SOE themselves believe it does boggles my mind. Moorgard's statement is fairly clear. No I don't see how it can be taken many ways and in the end mean something completly different. The english was fairly plain and to the point.

06-28-2005, 02:08 AM	#41
RogueThrill Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	No the point isn't that I don't think wizards should be doing damage. It obviously needs to be worked on. My point is that even when you are able to do more damage to raid mobs you WILL STILL NEED TO BE A BATTERY. It's part of our role in prolonged encounters. People in your raid will need you to perform this function and to do so often. So suck it up and start feeding because someone has to do it and it's our job.

06-29-2005, 01:05 PM	#43
indra02 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2	For those who thing that the "powerpump" role should make everyone happy, I am telling you that you should try to find their EQ2 game manual or check the class description on the official SOE site (http://eq2players.station.sony.com/classes/). If you don't have time, I will just quote what is there: "Wizards are masters of the arcane arts who tap into the elemental powers of fire and ice. Wielding these powerful forces, wizards can inflict startling devastation upon their enemies." So, this is what I was really expecting when I created this character. Now who is telling me that the DPS role is not important and I have to bee happy with my powerpump or utility role must be out of his mind or is not really aware what Wizard class should be (this taking into consideration the official SOE statement). Really guys, I don't know what's the matter with you? You like you Wizard as it is now, or if you like the utility role, fine. What I don't understand is why you wouldn't he happy with more and you really want that things stay as they are. For me is a real disappointment of what Wizard class is at this moment and I really feel that my expectation were betrayed. Different players have different styles of playing while I can understand that some of us are defensive oriented or utility oriented, I don't understand why the class should not be modified so that is can fulfill it's primary role (DPS).

06-29-2005, 08:56 PM	#44
RogueThrill Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	Don't be silly, I never said I like not being able to nuke the hell out of mobs. I think things should be improved. All I am saying is that you have these spells for transferring mana for a reason. You will encounter situations in which you will need to use them and you should. This is not a role a wizard should shy away from. There will be times when you are going at a x4 with 12 dudes and the healers are bound to run out of mana... and you should feed them. I just think the problem is grossly overstated and that the people who are constantly complaining are reactionaries with no sense of being a role based class for the time being. I have raided everything in the game aside from one contested mob I will likely be killing soon, I am not having these terrible problems everyone else is. There are very few mobs I can't hit with either heat, cold or magic based damage spells. Things need to be adjusted relative to Warlocks.... but those things are being done. There is no need for all these damned "the sky is falling" posts. Eriel Jewlar 50 Wizard / 50 Jeweler - Dexire Straits 44 Bruiser - Mistmoore