SK and ...... form a great duo??

therearenonames · 11-05-2006, 11:14 PM

Would a Defiler be the best partner for a SK or an inquisitor? I know I typically run low on power as a SK in encounters....can defilers buff that for me or is that an inquisitor talent?

Xanoth · 11-05-2006, 11:19 PM

both have their advantages due to play style, buffs and debuffs. personally i'd favour defiler

Boke · 11-05-2006, 11:35 PM

id go with a fury

Xanoth · 11-05-2006, 11:48 PM

would have to agree, my wifes a fury, i just picked betwen the two choices offered though SMILEY

Giral · 11-06-2006, 04:05 AM

inquisitors are good with Sk's becuase they have Re-active's that cast when your hit , and as an sk normaly you dont have very high aviodance so the reactive work very well on you , reactives on a monk/bruiser usualy are useless and are better with fast healers like a fury

inquisitor's have Big heal's (a liitle lower then a templar) , sk's have lifetap's / reactive damage shield + mit so can take a beating , it's on the Tough mob's that when Sk's get low on health that it is good to have big heals + re-actives , as said befor Sk's normaly dont have very high aviodance so when they are low on health they are still taking alot of hit's so there health keeps going down so fast little heal's usualy will keep you at the same amount of health and slowly decreasing, where as when your down to 1000 Hp's and you get a 2 big heals + 2 reactives on you your back at full health or close to it ,

Inquisitor's also Debuff mobs Mitigation Vs all damage , debuff mobs crush/peirce/slash and ranged and debuff mob intell and str = Good becuase it makes mobs weaker Vs Disease damage and whatever weopon your using crush pierce slash , good becuase debuffing the mobs damage of crush/ pierce /slash means your getting hit for less so you need to Mitigate less damage

inquisitors also Boost your dp's and attack speed and can also Fear a Mob to keep an Add of for a few and a Root to hold a mob off

also have Verdict , whats that do ? when an easy mob gets to 25 % health it drops thier Hps to 1 , when a Tough mob is at 10 % health it drops there Hp's to 1 , when an extremely tough mob is at 2 % health it drops it to 1 , say your fighting a Named Your low on power and you throw HT and get the Named to 8 % health , i cast Verdict and the mob drops to 1 health , and expires from an Dot usualy

and many other things Inquisies can do : ) one thing i can say if you like to stay busy as a healer you can do so with an inquis . heal,debuff's,cure's(can cure ALL types of Ailment's(except the Uncurable) + stuns .Dot's, root,fear, dp's increase(castable buff that Stiffles you and you have to manualy cancel it to do anything else)<-----Note this also increase INTELL : ) any boost to dps as MT as an Sk is always a ++ (inquisitors are always put in the DP's group in Raids for there Dp's increases SMILEY

Inquisitors Also get a Mana regen type spell , you cast it a group member and for every hit they land you get a chance to decrease mobs power and increase your own ( 3 X the amount of the Sk's mana sieve) this is Great for times the group is OOP(add's/bad pull) and fighting in Auto attack = the healer is getting Power off of the Auto attack and might Just give you enough heals to outlast the mobs

IMO Inquisitor or Templar are the best healer's for Plate tank's Vs Tough mob's , any healer will do tho for an Sk becuase they are very versitile and have many trick's and mean's to succed in Bad situations , with my Inquis i solo healed a group thru Hall's of fate at lvl 62/63 (dinged 63 on that run : ) the tank was a Zerker (was a 69/70 group of very well equiped players but SMILEY

)

So Big heal+Re-actives,Cures to ALL ailment's,Buff's,increases,dot's,stun,mezz,fear, + Dp's increases + intell increase = IMO a great combo with an Sk

i Would be interested in hearing about Other Healer types with SK's and the benifit's of doing so as i havent played any other healer's

Giralus 70 SK on BB

Heracey 70 Inquisitor on BB (im not biased i swear SMILEY

)

Meyowmix 44 wizard on BB

i forgot the rest of my Toons and the server's there on !

Message Edited by Giralus on 11-05-2006 03:35 PM

Mistmoore-Milaga · 11-06-2006, 12:22 PM

I would say Fury. When you're duoing with a healer class you'd like them to be able to put out some damage as well, and a fury tends to run towards the top of the DPS chart as far as healers go. (sorry, I couldn't type that without chuckling a bit.) Furies also have group invis. With your evac and the furies group invis you've got plenty of utility to get your around the world pretty fast.Defilers have a nice disease debuff, so I'd be tempted, but our reactive heal doesn't really stack w/ shamen wards. It'll only trigger if you take damage. I'd avoid shamen for a duo if you can.Good luck!

Coica · 11-06-2006, 08:15 PM

nah, bust out the 2H and go offensive mode with a brigand and watch stuff die fast.

Beldin_ · 11-06-2006, 08:46 PM

muguguypan wrote:
nah, bust out the 2H and go offensive mode with a brigand and watch stuff die fast.

Depends really on what you want to kill, i can can kill for example 99% of the Nest fast with a Necro or whatever, however the endmob kills me fast without a healer, so i normally go in there with the warden of a friend or leave the endmob alone.

Dakat · 11-06-2006, 09:19 PM

I duo with a necromancer and we kill stuff so fast its insane, and she xfer/lifetaps when needed to keep me going.

Diern · 11-07-2006, 03:01 AM

Depends what you emjoy.

For a healer, I would side with Fury/Inquisitor or defiler depending on the situation. I prefer Inquist from a RP standpoint for my SK. But fury and defiler both have thier advantages

Scout, brigand hands down.

Necromancer is good too.

ykaerflila · 11-07-2006, 04:45 AM

i'm liking the SK/ Fury if you had to choose a healer. I box, on one accout is my SK on another is my Templar(made for raid reasons) and my Coercer. My templar was a inqusitor till lvl 65ish then betrayed cause guild did'nt have a temp for the mt group. I also have a 40 Defiler and a 40 Fury. What i've noticed boxing the defiler and the templar is very similar I take little damage but beating the mob down is all on the SK so it just takes a Little longer. I prefer my SK/Coercer over my SK/Templar I can kill the same stuff and with mana regen and dps buffs from a coercer just goes down a lot quicker. I've started playing my SK/Fury more and more and the dps is great of course mentored down to his lvl a retarted monkey could heal me i take so little damage. I have duoed with a defiler(not mine) back in T6 days and we were Killing triple up yellow mobs. Necro makes a good combo I acutally duoed a lot with a nero in the game. Even killed a green con x2 epic mob in Silent city with that necro. There are lots of workable possibiliteis but if its a healer you want INQ/Fury are what i would choose

Littleflame · 11-07-2006, 02:22 PM

I maybe biased, and I do love all my guild's healers and all... But I would always if given choice go with a cleric (have teamed with both inqis and temps). Their reactives and team buffs compliment SK perfectly in my opinion.

Message Edited by Littleflame on 11-07-2006 11:24 AM

Antryg Mistrose · 11-07-2006, 03:35 PM

Defiler or Inquisitor - Inquisitor I'd guess (reactives > wards for a tank with low avoidance)Better though for a duo would be Fury - INT buff, and enough heals for a duo anyway, or ignore priests and get a class that fits better - Dirge or Enchanter. Dirge for disease damage/debuffs and power, Enchanter for a lot more power and stuns/stfiles/mezz so you don't get hit so much.

Ceruline · 11-07-2006, 09:19 PM

Fury is the best healer to duo with, easily.With Reaver coming up in the EoF AAs, it will also be very viable to duo group content very well with a much more offensive class like a Brigand or Assassin - Reaver really does some excellent things for our survivability in its current form. (I've tested it out in its various forms throughout Beta, and it's finally gotten to a point where it's a solid net positive. The survivability increase is quite impressive, actually)

Message Edited by Ceruline on 11-07-2006 08:19 AM

tehh4x · 11-08-2006, 09:26 PM

i duo den, nest, and blackscale(if we are lucky on seal spawns) with a warden everyday. easy stuff

Galn · 11-09-2006, 07:53 AM

I just started a SK/Fury duo, boxing on one PC, alt-tab'ing between toons. At level 14 I was killing level 15 ^^^ heroics in CL. The only problem I'm having is the SK runs out of power when the mobs are around 10% health so I leave him on auto-attack and finish them off with the Fury's dps. Once the SK's power is based on INT instead of WIS my power will actually go up, INT right now is twice as high as my WIS, the INT gear seems easier to find. Furies have an INT Buff which will really help, too.

ZhouYu · 11-09-2006, 02:19 PM

for pvp go with a fury partner. stay in defensive stance while have the fury cap your intel

Norrsken · 11-09-2006, 02:50 PM

Milaga wrote:
I would say Fury. When you're duoing with a healer class you'd like them to be able to put out some damage as well, and a fury tends to run towards the top of the DPS chart as far as healers go. (sorry, I couldn't type that without chuckling a bit.) Furies also have group invis. With your evac and the furies group invis you've got plenty of utility to get your around the world pretty fast.

Defilers have a nice disease debuff, so I'd be tempted, but our reactive heal doesn't really stack w/ shamen wards. It'll only trigger if you take damage. I'd avoid shamen for a duo if you can.

Good luck!

That part is plain wrong. I have tried it with my sk, and with my defiler. The lifetap procs still go off on the sk with wards up. Unless they changed it the last month.

Beldin_ · 11-09-2006, 03:21 PM

roxer2b wrote:

Milaga wrote:

Defilers have a nice disease debuff, so I'd be tempted, but our reactive heal doesn't really stack w/ shamen wards. It'll only trigger if you take damage. I'd avoid shamen for a duo if you can.

That part is plain wrong. I have tried it with my sk, and with my defiler. The lifetap procs still go off on the sk with wards up. Unless they changed it the last month.

No .. its correct .. wards and reactives and our damage-shield do only trigger when we take damage .. however .. i don't know what that has to do if we group with a defiler, templer, fury or whatever. And yeah .. even if we solo it will not kill all mobs around us us as long as they don't beat us :p

Ok .. seriously .. i group with my little (62) Woodelf SK constantly with a defiler and fury, and have no problems, and the defiler is always the one who does the real healing work SMILEY

Ramglob · 11-10-2006, 09:22 AM

It is a proven fact that an SK and Lenny are an unbeatable DUO. Squiggy SK --- Semi retired.

fallingsn · 11-10-2006, 09:55 AM

Well, I have resisted posting for about 2 years now. I hate the arguments that begin in forums. But after the 3 level 70 characters on both PVE and PVP server and about 10 alts (40ish range) across 4 accounts and having received the benefit of the posts of others for these 2 years I thought i was about time I posted some opinions and advice (take or leave it... grain of salt and all)

The reason I chose this as my first post is that I have been playing with my wife in the game recently to bring from relief to my recent Level 70 blues. After you done Deathtoll about 30 times the game gets well... boring. So far it has worked. I basically mentor my level 70 SK down to her Toons (Dirge, Inquisitor, and Defiler) and we breeze through the levels. I also finally get to make use of my armouring skills again since I have not really armoured since I leveled to 70 in armouring a half a year ago because the economy on the server just did not warrant the time spent to make armour.

Before I get all those post about parsing etc.. Please note. My job is in statistics. I do Actuarial work all day for 15 years now. I pray to the Gods of Standard Deviation and Regression Analysis so please.. don't get into the statisics arguement about me. Even ACT is a novice noobie tool for me so I use minitab and my own data models to draw conclusion beyond ACT.

I was gonna post some parses but someone already parse the heck out of Inq vs. Defiler vs. Fury vs. Warden vs. Templar a while back. So there is not point to redoing their work.

I can only speak for Inq. and Defiler atm and only upto level 55 duoing because right now my wife's toons are only 42 and 55.

What I can say is the Inquisitor is much more useful. (player observation) I then Parse to find out why it appear to be this way. Mind you this is a DUO situation only so the statistics only apply to partnering with a SK and only in case of a DUOing. But the heals that Inquisitor have scale better with a plate tank. Reactive heals and Reactive Damage scale more efficiently and then Wards. Both are good mind you but what we are talkin about here is survivabilily in close fights. If the mobs are green I can pull about 12 or more and AOE them into oblivion with a mentored down level 70 fully fabled SK. However if I pull 2 or 3 even level heroics simultaneously then the real test starts. The damage they will deal requires full all healing to keep up with the rate of damage absorbtion. Also those mobs have more HP so the fight sustains much longer and therefore you get a lot more data over time and you are able to calculate scaling of data over time. I need to also include here there is a variation dependancy on the AAs that you have chosen. Noway I can account for all the variations so this must be taken as a general statement without particular attention to the impact AA lines may or maynot have impact on the numbers.

Ward damage absorbtion is front loaded. In close fights this is not as efficient as reactives against multiple mobs. Reactive work really great against multiple mobs and so does reactive damage. The more mobs pounding on ya and the faster and better the reactive damage and healing scales. Also, there is less need to spend mana on the healer because the inq can take a bit more of a beating due to the extra Mit that PLATE armour affords you.

Now... The fastest way to level is to AOE rinse and repeat so I can only say this for training multiple mobs for group slaughtering and not say... one on one EPICS. In this case Wards are often prefered because Epics swing slow and infrequently makeing wards more efficient... but... we are talkin about Duo here so... Epics don't apply because your not gonna DUO an epic are ya?

My 2Cs... take it for leave it.

CHIMPNOODLE. · 11-10-2006, 09:58 PM

Given those 2 choices I'd go with defiler as an SK.

Kroms · 11-11-2006, 05:32 AM

I run with a defiler atm. It works fine. So does duoing with a fury. You want to min/max things its so close that it truely doesnt matter. Maybe in the expansion when furys will have ports but really big deal.. Anyways play whatever.

11-05-2006, 11:19 PM	#2
Xanoth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Durham, UK Posts: 928	both have their advantages due to play style, buffs and debuffs. personally i'd favour defiler __________________ Xanoth Leader of Xanadu EQ2 Raid Loot Database

11-05-2006, 11:48 PM	#4
Xanoth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Durham, UK Posts: 928	would have to agree, my wifes a fury, i just picked betwen the two choices offered though __________________ Xanoth Leader of Xanadu EQ2 Raid Loot Database

11-06-2006, 04:05 AM	#5
Giral General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 894	inquisitors are good with Sk's becuase they have Re-active's that cast when your hit , and as an sk normaly you dont have very high aviodance so the reactive work very well on you , reactives on a monk/bruiser usualy are useless and are better with fast healers like a fury inquisitor's have Big heal's (a liitle lower then a templar) , sk's have lifetap's / reactive damage shield + mit so can take a beating , it's on the Tough mob's that when Sk's get low on health that it is good to have big heals + re-actives , as said befor Sk's normaly dont have very high aviodance so when they are low on health they are still taking alot of hit's so there health keeps going down so fast little heal's usualy will keep you at the same amount of health and slowly decreasing, where as when your down to 1000 Hp's and you get a 2 big heals + 2 reactives on you your back at full health or close to it , Inquisitor's also Debuff mobs Mitigation Vs all damage , debuff mobs crush/peirce/slash and ranged and debuff mob intell and str = Good becuase it makes mobs weaker Vs Disease damage and whatever weopon your using crush pierce slash , good becuase debuffing the mobs damage of crush/ pierce /slash means your getting hit for less so you need to Mitigate less damage inquisitors also Boost your dp's and attack speed and can also Fear a Mob to keep an Add of for a few and a Root to hold a mob off also have Verdict , whats that do ? when an easy mob gets to 25 % health it drops thier Hps to 1 , when a Tough mob is at 10 % health it drops there Hp's to 1 , when an extremely tough mob is at 2 % health it drops it to 1 , say your fighting a Named Your low on power and you throw HT and get the Named to 8 % health , i cast Verdict and the mob drops to 1 health , and expires from an Dot usualy and many other things Inquisies can do : ) one thing i can say if you like to stay busy as a healer you can do so with an inquis . heal,debuff's,cure's(can cure ALL types of Ailment's(except the Uncurable) + stuns .Dot's, root,fear, dp's increase(castable buff that Stiffles you and you have to manualy cancel it to do anything else)<-----Note this also increase INTELL : ) any boost to dps as MT as an Sk is always a ++ (inquisitors are always put in the DP's group in Raids for there Dp's increases Inquisitors Also get a Mana regen type spell , you cast it a group member and for every hit they land you get a chance to decrease mobs power and increase your own ( 3 X the amount of the Sk's mana sieve) this is Great for times the group is OOP(add's/bad pull) and fighting in Auto attack = the healer is getting Power off of the Auto attack and might Just give you enough heals to outlast the mobs IMO Inquisitor or Templar are the best healer's for Plate tank's Vs Tough mob's , any healer will do tho for an Sk becuase they are very versitile and have many trick's and mean's to succed in Bad situations , with my Inquis i solo healed a group thru Hall's of fate at lvl 62/63 (dinged 63 on that run : ) the tank was a Zerker (was a 69/70 group of very well equiped players but ) So Big heal+Re-actives,Cures to ALL ailment's,Buff's,increases,dot's,stun,mezz,fear, + Dp's increases + intell increase = IMO a great combo with an Sk i Would be interested in hearing about Other Healer types with SK's and the benifit's of doing so as i havent played any other healer's Giralus 70 SK on BB Heracey 70 Inquisitor on BB (im not biased i swear ) Meyowmix 44 wizard on BB i forgot the rest of my Toons and the server's there on ! Message Edited by Giralus on 11-05-2006 03:35 PM __________________ who's more of a Fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool. . . Account Terminated as of 12-27-08, RMT=Evil

11-06-2006, 08:15 PM	#7
Coica Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas Posts: 337	nah, bust out the 2H and go offensive mode with a brigand and watch stuff die fast. __________________

11-06-2006, 08:46 PM	#8
Beldin_ Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,343	muguguypan wrote: nah, bust out the 2H and go offensive mode with a brigand and watch stuff die fast. Depends really on what you want to kill, i can can kill for example 99% of the Nest fast with a Necro or whatever, however the endmob kills me fast without a healer, so i normally go in there with the warden of a friend or leave the endmob alone. __________________

11-05-2006, 11:14 PM	#1
therearenonames Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 54	Would a Defiler be the best partner for a SK or an inquisitor? I know I typically run low on power as a SK in encounters....can defilers buff that for me or is that an inquisitor talent?

11-05-2006, 11:35 PM	#3
Boke Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 56	id go with a fury

11-06-2006, 12:22 PM	#6
Mistmoore-Milaga Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 369	I would say Fury. When you're duoing with a healer class you'd like them to be able to put out some damage as well, and a fury tends to run towards the top of the DPS chart as far as healers go. (sorry, I couldn't type that without chuckling a bit.) Furies also have group invis. With your evac and the furies group invis you've got plenty of utility to get your around the world pretty fast.Defilers have a nice disease debuff, so I'd be tempted, but our reactive heal doesn't really stack w/ shamen wards. It'll only trigger if you take damage. I'd avoid shamen for a duo if you can.Good luck!

11-06-2006, 09:19 PM	#9
Dakat Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1	I duo with a necromancer and we kill stuff so fast its insane, and she xfer/lifetaps when needed to keep me going.

11-07-2006, 03:01 AM	#10
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	Depends what you emjoy. For a healer, I would side with Fury/Inquisitor or defiler depending on the situation. I prefer Inquist from a RP standpoint for my SK. But fury and defiler both have thier advantages Scout, brigand hands down. Necromancer is good too.

11-07-2006, 04:45 AM	#11
ykaerflila Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15	i'm liking the SK/ Fury if you had to choose a healer. I box, on one accout is my SK on another is my Templar(made for raid reasons) and my Coercer. My templar was a inqusitor till lvl 65ish then betrayed cause guild did'nt have a temp for the mt group. I also have a 40 Defiler and a 40 Fury. What i've noticed boxing the defiler and the templar is very similar I take little damage but beating the mob down is all on the SK so it just takes a Little longer. I prefer my SK/Coercer over my SK/Templar I can kill the same stuff and with mana regen and dps buffs from a coercer just goes down a lot quicker. I've started playing my SK/Fury more and more and the dps is great of course mentored down to his lvl a retarted monkey could heal me i take so little damage. I have duoed with a defiler(not mine) back in T6 days and we were Killing triple up yellow mobs. Necro makes a good combo I acutally duoed a lot with a nero in the game. Even killed a green con x2 epic mob in Silent city with that necro. There are lots of workable possibiliteis but if its a healer you want INQ/Fury are what i would choose __________________ Llort Rellik 90 Shadowknight 80 Coercer 80 Brigand 80 Templar

11-07-2006, 02:22 PM	#12
Littleflame Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 128	I maybe biased, and I do love all my guild's healers and all... But I would always if given choice go with a cleric (have teamed with both inqis and temps). Their reactives and team buffs compliment SK perfectly in my opinion. Message Edited by Littleflame on 11-07-2006 11:24 AM

11-07-2006, 03:35 PM	#13
Antryg Mistrose Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 893	Defiler or Inquisitor - Inquisitor I'd guess (reactives > wards for a tank with low avoidance)Better though for a duo would be Fury - INT buff, and enough heals for a duo anyway, or ignore priests and get a class that fits better - Dirge or Enchanter. Dirge for disease damage/debuffs and power, Enchanter for a lot more power and stuns/stfiles/mezz so you don't get hit so much. __________________ Illusionist//Paladin/Dirge/Templar Jeweler/Sage/Alchemist/Prov

11-07-2006, 09:19 PM	#14
Ceruline Tester Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 335	Fury is the best healer to duo with, easily.With Reaver coming up in the EoF AAs, it will also be very viable to duo group content very well with a much more offensive class like a Brigand or Assassin - Reaver really does some excellent things for our survivability in its current form. (I've tested it out in its various forms throughout Beta, and it's finally gotten to a point where it's a solid net positive. The survivability increase is quite impressive, actually) Message Edited by Ceruline on 11-07-2006 08:19 AM __________________ --Pondscum, 70 Shadowknight, Test Server, Fhir Rhuen-- Maybe I used too many monkeys... Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?

11-08-2006, 09:26 PM	#15
tehh4x Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 51	i duo den, nest, and blackscale(if we are lucky on seal spawns) with a warden everyday. easy stuff

11-09-2006, 07:53 AM	#16
Galn Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 351	I just started a SK/Fury duo, boxing on one PC, alt-tab'ing between toons. At level 14 I was killing level 15 ^^^ heroics in CL. The only problem I'm having is the SK runs out of power when the mobs are around 10% health so I leave him on auto-attack and finish them off with the Fury's dps. Once the SK's power is based on INT instead of WIS my power will actually go up, INT right now is twice as high as my WIS, the INT gear seems easier to find. Furies have an INT Buff which will really help, too. __________________

11-09-2006, 02:19 PM	#17
ZhouYu Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 140	for pvp go with a fury partner. stay in defensive stance while have the fury cap your intel

11-09-2006, 02:50 PM	#18
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Milaga wrote: I would say Fury. When you're duoing with a healer class you'd like them to be able to put out some damage as well, and a fury tends to run towards the top of the DPS chart as far as healers go. (sorry, I couldn't type that without chuckling a bit.) Furies also have group invis. With your evac and the furies group invis you've got plenty of utility to get your around the world pretty fast. Defilers have a nice disease debuff, so I'd be tempted, but our reactive heal doesn't really stack w/ shamen wards. It'll only trigger if you take damage. I'd avoid shamen for a duo if you can. Good luck! That part is plain wrong. I have tried it with my sk, and with my defiler. The lifetap procs still go off on the sk with wards up. Unless they changed it the last month. __________________

11-09-2006, 03:21 PM	#19
Beldin_ Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,343	roxer2b wrote: Milaga wrote: Defilers have a nice disease debuff, so I'd be tempted, but our reactive heal doesn't really stack w/ shamen wards. It'll only trigger if you take damage. I'd avoid shamen for a duo if you can. That part is plain wrong. I have tried it with my sk, and with my defiler. The lifetap procs still go off on the sk with wards up. Unless they changed it the last month. No .. its correct .. wards and reactives and our damage-shield do only trigger when we take damage .. however .. i don't know what that has to do if we group with a defiler, templer, fury or whatever. And yeah .. even if we solo it will not kill all mobs around us us as long as they don't beat us :p Ok .. seriously .. i group with my little (62) Woodelf SK constantly with a defiler and fury, and have no problems, and the defiler is always the one who does the real healing work __________________

11-10-2006, 09:22 AM	#20
Ramglob General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 96	It is a proven fact that an SK and Lenny are an unbeatable DUO. Squiggy SK --- Semi retired.

11-10-2006, 09:55 AM	#21
fallingsn Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11	Well, I have resisted posting for about 2 years now. I hate the arguments that begin in forums. But after the 3 level 70 characters on both PVE and PVP server and about 10 alts (40ish range) across 4 accounts and having received the benefit of the posts of others for these 2 years I thought i was about time I posted some opinions and advice (take or leave it... grain of salt and all) The reason I chose this as my first post is that I have been playing with my wife in the game recently to bring from relief to my recent Level 70 blues. After you done Deathtoll about 30 times the game gets well... boring. So far it has worked. I basically mentor my level 70 SK down to her Toons (Dirge, Inquisitor, and Defiler) and we breeze through the levels. I also finally get to make use of my armouring skills again since I have not really armoured since I leveled to 70 in armouring a half a year ago because the economy on the server just did not warrant the time spent to make armour. Before I get all those post about parsing etc.. Please note. My job is in statistics. I do Actuarial work all day for 15 years now. I pray to the Gods of Standard Deviation and Regression Analysis so please.. don't get into the statisics arguement about me. Even ACT is a novice noobie tool for me so I use minitab and my own data models to draw conclusion beyond ACT. I was gonna post some parses but someone already parse the heck out of Inq vs. Defiler vs. Fury vs. Warden vs. Templar a while back. So there is not point to redoing their work. I can only speak for Inq. and Defiler atm and only upto level 55 duoing because right now my wife's toons are only 42 and 55. What I can say is the Inquisitor is much more useful. (player observation) I then Parse to find out why it appear to be this way. Mind you this is a DUO situation only so the statistics only apply to partnering with a SK and only in case of a DUOing. But the heals that Inquisitor have scale better with a plate tank. Reactive heals and Reactive Damage scale more efficiently and then Wards. Both are good mind you but what we are talkin about here is survivabilily in close fights. If the mobs are green I can pull about 12 or more and AOE them into oblivion with a mentored down level 70 fully fabled SK. However if I pull 2 or 3 even level heroics simultaneously then the real test starts. The damage they will deal requires full all healing to keep up with the rate of damage absorbtion. Also those mobs have more HP so the fight sustains much longer and therefore you get a lot more data over time and you are able to calculate scaling of data over time. I need to also include here there is a variation dependancy on the AAs that you have chosen. Noway I can account for all the variations so this must be taken as a general statement without particular attention to the impact AA lines may or maynot have impact on the numbers. Ward damage absorbtion is front loaded. In close fights this is not as efficient as reactives against multiple mobs. Reactive work really great against multiple mobs and so does reactive damage. The more mobs pounding on ya and the faster and better the reactive damage and healing scales. Also, there is less need to spend mana on the healer because the inq can take a bit more of a beating due to the extra Mit that PLATE armour affords you. Now... The fastest way to level is to AOE rinse and repeat so I can only say this for training multiple mobs for group slaughtering and not say... one on one EPICS. In this case Wards are often prefered because Epics swing slow and infrequently makeing wards more efficient... but... we are talkin about Duo here so... Epics don't apply because your not gonna DUO an epic are ya? My 2Cs... take it for leave it.

11-10-2006, 09:58 PM	#22
CHIMPNOODLE. Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 923	Given those 2 choices I'd go with defiler as an SK. __________________

11-11-2006, 05:32 AM	#23
Kroms Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 15	I run with a defiler atm. It works fine. So does duoing with a fury. You want to min/max things its so close that it truely doesnt matter. Maybe in the expansion when furys will have ports but really big deal.. Anyways play whatever.