ROK = no new classes?

[Gutmonger]

Unless I am missing something there is no new classes being added? I know there is a massive following for the Beast Lord class. All of that new content it would be a shame not to throw in at least one new class.

Anyone else feel the same way?

[quamdar]

there are already too many classes with too few roles to fill in a raid/group.

[TheManInTheBox]

Yeah, quite a number of players have brought up wanting the addition of new classes. A lot of old EverQuest players miss Beastlords. I do miss my Beastlord but I must agree with what developers have said in response whenever this subject gets brought up. "We will add new classes when all our current classes are balanced" Its pretty blunt. They are still working on balancing all of EverQuest II's current classes. Adding more would only complicate the class balance situation even more.

[Syndic]

Rluyen@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Yeah, quite a number of players have brought up wanting the addition of new classes. A lot of old EverQuest players miss Beastlords. I do miss my Beastlord but I must agree with what developers have said in response whenever this subject gets brought up. "We will add new classes when all our current classes are balanced" Its pretty blunt. They are still working on balancing all of EverQuest II's current classes. Adding more would only complicate the class balance situation even more.

I don't think that ever stopped them in EQ1 from adding new classes.   Also I don't think classes are ever truly balanced, meaning no new classes ever for EQ2. Seriously though I've been thinking about this since the release back when their was archetypes and sub-classes.  Back then I thought they shouldn't add new classes unless they can come up with 4 new ones (1 for each archetype).  Now that has been done away with it would certainly be easier from SOE's standpoint to add a new class, but it would most likely have to be neutral (but since the new city is neutral it would be the perfect opportunity).  Also even though they are not set in stone the archetypes are still there, which archetype will the new class fit into and how will that affect all those already there, also what role will it fill and how can it be made to be "unique" enough to warrant a new class, would it start a new archetype etc etc.  Essentially as was said with 24 classes there is certainly enough around already, but would be nice.

[Themaginator]

this has been talked about alot. No new classes until all classes are equally useful balanced etc...we have 24 classes thats plenty

[Allisia]

The archetypes and classes are still there, they're just just not as apparent. There is no need for any more classes.

[Arteen]

No new classes until all classes are balanced.  Get close to balance, raise level cap.  Start over on balancing act.  Get close to balance, raise level cap.  Wash rinse repeat lol!

[Lornick]

Syndic wrote:

Seriously though I've been thinking about this since the release back when their was archetypes and sub-classes.  Back then I thought they shouldn't add new classes unless they can come up with 4 new ones (1 for each archetype).  Now that has been done away with it would certainly be easier from SOE's standpoint to add a new class, but it would most likely have to be neutral

Even then it wouldn't work out.  The subclass system is still there behind the scenes.  For instance type "/who all 60 70 enchanter" next time you are in game and you'll get a list of all the non-anonymous level 60 to 70 illusionists and coercers.  And look at "class" AA tree (KoS AA's), even though you don't go through the subclass steps anymore you still share the AA tree with your counterpart.  So to keep things "balanced" they would need to introduce not one... or even 4 new classes... they would need to introduce EIGHT new classes (2 fighters, 2 priests, 2 mages, and 2 scouts).  I suppose they could throw that all out the window and just add a new class in anyway, but it would be an amazing challenge to come up with a unique role for a new class to play that wouldn't step on other players toes.

[Madmoon]

If they ever bring back that god-awful abomination, I will create a ranger or assassin on the PvP server and hunt Beast Lards mercilessly.  I will create a guild of similarly minded individuals, and terrorize the class into extinction.  I will follow Least Boards around everywhere in PvE, shouting, "Fraud, fraud!"  To this day, I treat D'Morte's grave as the symbolic grave of all Beasters, and daily visit it to spit on it and tramp the dirt down.  If they are going to bring a new class in, better to cross a provisioner and a shadowknight then a monk and a shaman.

I really don't like Beast Lords.

[Cusashorn]

They've already said they're not going to add any more classes into the game until all 24 classes are perfectly balanced in thier own archetype in PVP, Soloing, Grouping, and Raiding.

In other words, no new classes. Getting them balanced in PVE is difficult enough, but PVP makes it impossible.

[Illmarr]

I always took the no new classes till the current 24 are balanced to mean the day after Hades freezes over.

[Cusashorn]

Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:

I always took the no new classes till the current 24 are balanced to mean the day after Hades freezes over.

Yeah that's pretty much it.

[Solaran_X]

Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:

I always took the no new classes till the current 24 are balanced to mean the day after Hades freezes over.

Exactly. Cause it's impossible to balance the classes. Every time it gets close to balanced...someone (usually Wizards, no offense to the happy Wizards - just the [Removed for Content]obsessed "must be #1 on every parse, group or raid" Wizards) whines that someone is more powerful than them, cites the obsolete DPS tiers, and demands SOE nerf some other class which, in turn, starts a massive war on the boards.

[vochore]

Madmoon wrote:

If they ever bring back that god-awful abomination, I will create a ranger or assassin on the PvP server and hunt Beast Lards mercilessly.  I will create a guild of similarly minded individuals, and terrorize the class into extinction.  I will follow Least Boards around everywhere in PvE, shouting, "Fraud, fraud!"  To this day, I treat D'Morte's grave as the symbolic grave of all Beasters, and daily visit it to spit on it and tramp the dirt down.  If they are going to bring a new class in, better to cross a provisioner and a shadowknight then a monk and a shaman.

I really don't like Beast Lords.

then make sure you do this on blackburrow server and leave me the name of your character or guild becuse this means war.

i will park my tiger outside the door of your house so he can bite your [Removed for Content] every time you come and go.....i will sneak him into your house and let him poop all over your furniture....i will make it my duty in life to make sure every fellow beastlord makes you and your guilds life a living hell.

HEAR ME ROAR......BRING BACK THE BEASTLORDS.

NUFF SAID

[mellowknees72]

No new classes until rangers are actually rangers, I say. Give us little heals and stuff. A ranger is supposed to be a druid/warrior cross...not a rogue with a bow.

[crewguy72]

C'mon guys, open your minds and think outside the box... anything is possible...remember we were also told gods would not return. 

New classes are going to have to happen at some point... Im sure many of you know people who already have 5-7 lvl 70 chars. 

People argue that we have 24 classes and thats enough. Well honestly we have 12, if you think about it. I don't know many people who lvl a fury then turn around and want to lvl a warden...i think that maybe alittle boring. Besides, I dont think adding new races will keep the game new forever, sooner or later they will need new classes.

Who ever is going to fanfaire can corner a Dev and get an update on this question. That way we can avoid a 12 page discussion thread on it. 

[Solaran_X]

crewguy72 wrote:

C'mon guys, open your minds and think outside the box... anything is possible...remember we were also told gods would not return. 

New classes are going to have to happen at some point... Im sure many of you know people who already have 5-7 lvl 70 chars. 

People argue that we have 24 classes and thats enough. Well honestly we have 12, if you think about it. I don't know many people who lvl a fury then turn around and want to lvl a warden...i think that maybe alittle boring. Besides, I dont think adding new races will keep the game new forever, sooner or later they will need new classes.

Who ever is going to fanfaire can corner a Dev and get an update on this question. That way we can avoid a 12 page discussion thread on it. 

As long as we don't get Beastlords. They ruined EQ, and would either A) ruin EQ2 or B) be so watered down from the EQ versions we'd see hundreds of "OMG!!1!one! They nerfed BSTs!!1!one!" threads because Beastlords would no longer be a Monk/Shaman/Magician/Enchanter hybrid. If Beastlords came into EQ2 at even 1/4 of their EQ abilities...I'd go to WoW because, at that point, WoW would be harder than EQ2.

[redde]

crewguy72 wrote:

C'mon guys, open your minds and think outside the box... anything is possible...remember we were also told gods would not return. 

New classes are going to have to happen at some point... Im sure many of you know people who already have 5-7 lvl 70 chars. 

People argue that we have 24 classes and thats enough. Well honestly we have 12, if you think about it. I don't know many people who lvl a fury then turn around and want to lvl a warden...i think that maybe alittle boring. Besides, I dont think adding new races will keep the game new forever, sooner or later they will need new classes.

Who ever is going to fanfaire can corner a Dev and get an update on this question. That way we can avoid a 12 page discussion thread on it. 

This is because there are other classes they can level first. Some people do, though. I have a 70 coercer and a 70 pally and am still very interested in levelling an SK and an illusionist. The only reason I don't is because there are so many other classes out there to try. Adding more would just be frustrating for me. I played eq1, and didn't like the beastlord much then. Yet another pet class.

[crewguy72]

It's funny i didnt even mention Beastlords and yet here we go hopping on the i hate beastlords train... lol

[Redbull]

crewguy72 wrote:

It's funny i didnt even mention Beastlords and yet here we go hopping on the i hate beastlords train... lol

Let them hate Beastlords...many, many people loved the class (including myself) and it should have never been excluded from EQ2 in the first place. If someone is so childish that they would quit playing EQ2 because a class was introduced, let them go. Childish attitudes + WoW = 8 million subscriptions. At least they won't be alone.

Eventually they will have to bring in new classes - every MMO out there needs to continue to offer additional options to keep it's play base happy. I for one am content with they Fury though he would be dropped in a second for a Beastlord. If they don't bring the BST back, then I will play the Fury until I am bored of it and move on to another challenge. I just hope they continue to bring the Everquest-ness back to Everquest 2. IMO they are heading in the right direction.

[ke'la]

crewguy72 wrote:

C'mon guys, open your minds and think outside the box... anything is possible...remember we were also told gods would not return. 

New classes are going to have to happen at some point... Im sure many of you know people who already have 5-7 lvl 70 chars. 

People argue that we have 24 classes and thats enough. Well honestly we have 12, if you think about it. I don't know many people who lvl a fury then turn around and want to lvl a warden...i think that maybe alittle boring. Besides, I dont think adding new races will keep the game new forever, sooner or later they will need new classes.

Who ever is going to fanfaire can corner a Dev and get an update on this question. That way we can avoid a 12 page discussion thread on it. 

Accually, the devs either where suspiciously silent, or hinted that they WOULD return whenever the subject came up. Heck, Erollisi Marr showed up as part of the FIRST holliday quest in the game,(Frostfell year 1 was just food, drink and candles bought from the merchants). The quest was basicly a Statue with an unusual presence showed up on the shores of Antonica, if you did that quest you got a Symbol that made you sparkly. The quest hinted that Erollisi Marr placed the statue there. She also placed the Harts for the second "Erollisi Day" quest. Infact the devs stated that the gods where never "gone" they just removed themselfs from the world.

However the devs did say that they once all the classes are completly bug free and blanaced then they would THINK about adding another class. Heck EQ1 only has 16 classes total, and they are doing fine.

[Supp]

Im sure this has been stated many times over the last 3 years or so. There will be no beastlords in the game! And we have too many classes anyway. An excellent example is monk and bruiser. They are so similar that it's not worth having two of them. There should just be "Brawler".

[Supp]

crewguy72 wrote:

C'mon guys, open your minds and think outside the box... anything is possible...remember we were also told gods would not return. 

New classes are going to have to happen at some point... Im sure many of you know people who already have 5-7 lvl 70 chars. 

People argue that we have 24 classes and thats enough. Well honestly we have 12, if you think about it. I don't know many people who lvl a fury then turn around and want to lvl a warden...i think that maybe alittle boring. Besides, I dont think adding new races will keep the game new forever, sooner or later they will need new classes.

Who ever is going to fanfaire can corner a Dev and get an update on this question. That way we can avoid a 12 page discussion thread on it. 

Now dont get me wrong, pet classes are definitely my thing. I have a 70 necro, but I'm levelling up the conjuror anyway because I dont want to miss out on any pet casting stuff. I just enjoy it too much. But again, I think we have too many classes already.

[Cusashorn]

ke'la wrote:

crewguy72 wrote:

Accually, the devs either where suspiciously silent, or hinted that they WOULD return whenever the subject came up. Heck, Erollisi Marr showed up as part of the FIRST holliday quest in the game,(Frostfell year 1 was just food, drink and candles bought from the merchants). The quest was basicly a Statue with an unusual presence showed up on the shores of Antonica, if you did that quest you got a Symbol that made you sparkly. The quest hinted that Erollisi Marr placed the statue there. She also placed the Harts for the second "Erollisi Day" quest. Infact the devs stated that the gods where never "gone" they just removed themselfs from the world.

However the devs did say that they once all the classes are completly bug free and blanaced then they would THINK about adding another class. Heck EQ1 only has 16 classes total, and they are doing fine.

E-Marr didn't actually show up though. That's just the thing.

Vaeamdar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

If Beastlords came into EQ2 at even 1/4 of their EQ abilities...I'd go to WoW because, at that point, WoW would be harder than EQ2.

Hehe. Technically, if Beastlords were 1/4th of what they were in EQlive, they'd already be a pre-existing class.  

[LordPazuzu]

Madmoon wrote:

If they ever bring back that god-awful abomination, I will create a ranger or assassin on the PvP server and hunt Beast Lards mercilessly.  I will create a guild of similarly minded individuals, and terrorize the class into extinction.  I will follow Least Boards around everywhere in PvE, shouting, "Fraud, fraud!"  To this day, I treat D'Morte's grave as the symbolic grave of all Beasters, and daily visit it to spit on it and tramp the dirt down.  If they are going to bring a new class in, better to cross a provisioner and a shadowknight then a monk and a shaman.

I really don't like Beast Lords.

And that one Beastlord you are all trying to gank will sick his pet on you, toss a few spells, set autoattack and go make a sandwich.  When he gets back he'll teabag the corpses of everyone in your group.  He is, afterall, a beastlord- and you are not.

[Strade]

I think there would be lot of player happy if you bring back the beastlord. Actually most peopel not interested in the class would not care and some people would whine.

 Beastlord need to make a come back!

And to the persont hat said beastlord ruined Eq1 ... come on! a single class ruining a game? No sens.

[Zabjade]

It is easy to make a Beastlord Balanced for the game.

Take one Monk add pet and pet heal take away Windwalk and Feign Death make the AoE's magic.

I mean it is already stonger the the Monk is now, but that just briungs up into line with the other classes and at least has raid utility.

Or you could have Monks ancient Art for the 70's to 80 be a Beastlord Pet

[Solaran_X]

Zabjade wrote:

It is easy to make a Beastlord Balanced for the game.

Take one Monk add pet and pet heal take away Windwalk and Feign Death make the AoE's magic.

I mean it is already stonger the the Monk is now, but that just briungs up into line with the other classes and at least has raid utility.

Or you could have Monks ancient Art for the 70's to 80 be a Beastlord Pet

So...you think it's balanced to keep Monks at 97% of their current strength AND add in a Necromancer/Conjurer-style pet and pet heals? I'm sorry...but that is overpowered. Ridiculously overpowered. Necromancer and Conjurer pets put out a lot of DPS on their own (one of my friend's [Conjurer] TANK pets does 600-800 DPS in groups, Master I)...and that combined with the not-insignificant Monk DPS means you'd be out-DPSing everyone in raids and groups. Wizards, Warlocks, Assassins, Rangers, Conjurers, Necromancers, et al. No...what you suggest doesn't bring Monks in line with existing classes. It puts them more than a few notches above them.

[Besual]

Vaeamdar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Zabjade wrote:

It is easy to make a Beastlord Balanced for the game.

Take one Monk add pet and pet heal take away Windwalk and Feign Death make the AoE's magic.

I mean it is already stonger the the Monk is now, but that just briungs up into line with the other classes and at least has raid utility.

Or you could have Monks ancient Art for the 70's to 80 be a Beastlord Pet

So...you think it's balanced to keep Monks at 97% of their current strength AND add in a Necromancer/Conjurer-style pet and pet heals? I'm sorry...but that is overpowered. Ridiculously overpowered. Necromancer and Conjurer pets put out a lot of DPS on their own (one of my friend's [Conjurer] TANK pets does 600-800 DPS in groups, Master I)...and that combined with the not-insignificant Monk DPS means you'd be out-DPSing everyone in raids and groups. Wizards, Warlocks, Assassins, Rangers, Conjurers, Necromancers, et al. No...what you suggest doesn't bring Monks in line with existing classes. It puts them more than a few notches above them.

Do you still wonder why so many players don't want to see any beastloards in EQ2?

[Rendoor]

Vaeamdar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Zabjade wrote:

It is easy to make a Beastlord Balanced for the game.

Take one Monk add pet and pet heal take away Windwalk and Feign Death make the AoE's magic.

I mean it is already stonger the the Monk is now, but that just briungs up into line with the other classes and at least has raid utility.

Or you could have Monks ancient Art for the 70's to 80 be a Beastlord Pet

So...you think it's balanced to keep Monks at 97% of their current strength AND add in a Necromancer/Conjurer-style pet and pet heals? I'm sorry...but that is overpowered. Ridiculously overpowered. Necromancer and Conjurer pets put out a lot of DPS on their own (one of my friend's [Conjurer] TANK pets does 600-800 DPS in groups, Master I)...and that combined with the not-insignificant Monk DPS means you'd be out-DPSing everyone in raids and groups. Wizards, Warlocks, Assassins, Rangers, Conjurers, Necromancers, et al. No...what you suggest doesn't bring Monks in line with existing classes. It puts them more than a few notches above them.

lol what use would they have in raids? seriously...other than pet pulls