Please remove Shark Fin from game. - Page 2

Xcuetioner · 10-06-2005, 12:29 AM

In T1 zones you got turtle meat to make Turtle Soup. Isn't that sort of the same thing?

My children play this game and they know the difference between games & reality. I would hope that your children will also know the difference between fishing up a shark fin and the barbaric act you describe.

Have you swam with Dreadwake lately? He might make you change your mind about killing sharks. lol

Barq Bandit · 10-06-2005, 02:34 AM

this is silly. i understand feeling adamant about the RL practice of finning a shark, but this isn't RL. this is a game. this is Norrath, where the problems of shark extinction are NOT a problem. this game has absolutely NOTHING to do with real life!

...other than depriving all of us of massive chunks of our free time, that is. : )

kreli · 10-06-2005, 03:38 PM

That's a good point. In Norrath shark finning is not a barbaric practice. In fact, I'm quite certain I've never seen a finless shark sinking to the bottom and drowning. I have seen sharks spontaneously spring into existence, and, despite my best efforts, I am unable to make them extinct...

cooper9280 · 10-06-2005, 09:14 PM

Much ado about nothing (as some wise person once wrote)!!! Get a grip folks, as has been pointed out, this is a GAME and occurs in a world that existed way before the world had any notions about being politically correct. Why should we try to force our modern moral dilemas on a world that had enough to contend with just surviving. Doesn't make any more sense than it would seeing automobiles crossing Antonica. I'll stick with the Griffons and enjoy the rest!!!

Message Edited by cooper9280 on 10-06-2005 10:15 AM

Barq Bandit · 10-07-2005, 12:35 AM

cooper9280 wrote:

Much ado about nothing (as some wise person once wrote)!!! Get a grip folks, as has been pointed out, this is a GAME and occurs in a world that existed way before the world had any notions about being politically correct. Why should we try to force our modern moral dilemas on a world that had enough to contend with just surviving. Doesn't make any more sense than it would seeing automobiles crossing Antonica. I'll stick with the Griffons and enjoy the rest!!!

this game takes place in a world that never existed at all. it's fantasy, not historical.

smckean · 10-07-2005, 03:09 PM

OK..

Get up off the chair in your dorm room/mom's basement. Walk to the door, open it, walk to the nearest busy street. Observe real life. The "mutilation" you refer to is a minor facet of a game.. and it isnt even represented in a graphic form. If you want to wave a flag, go play Grand Theft Auto.

comwebgr · 10-07-2005, 08:46 PM

You probably caused the application to forget that it ever existed. Horrible!

Thibor24 wrote:

If you took the deer, chopped its legs off while it was still alive and left it to die slowly over hours or days while only taking the legs to eat then yes i would have a problem with killing deer.

I dont think you understood my post, its not the killing of the animal but the way it is tortured to death and the way that the meat is left to rot while only the fin is taken that upsets me.

If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory.

comwebgr · 10-07-2005, 08:47 PM

It is also possible that the animated crabs ate the rest of the animated shark.

Thibor24 wrote:

If you took the deer, chopped its legs off while it was still alive and left it to die slowly over hours or days while only taking the legs to eat then yes i would have a problem with killing deer.

I dont think you understood my post, its not the killing of the animal but the way it is tortured to death and the way that the meat is left to rot while only the fin is taken that upsets me.

If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory.

Ken Sh · 10-10-2005, 01:33 PM

Don't take it too serious it's just a game. It'll lead to everlast discussion or confusion if you compare the game with real life. You make your choice on crafting an item or killing a mob it's totally yours. If you don't like making sharks fin soup or killing faires just ignore it.

This topic reminded me something. In this game silver clusters are rare however gold clusters are common. Before removing Shark Fin, ask them to fix this first it is totally ridiculous LOL (IF you linking it up with real life). :smileyvery-happy: Peace.

BigDawgy · 10-10-2005, 09:02 PM

mmm...More sharkfin for me!

lover · 10-11-2005, 12:46 PM

I'm sorry - but you really need to STOP thinking when playing a game/watching a movie/reading a book. The fact that we can as human beings employ the suspension of disbelief serves to illustrate why we are a creative race! If you, and others of your *serious* tendencies, continue the way you are noone will be able to go anywhere or do anything for fear of doing something incorrect or inhumane or yada yada. And I am guessing you drive a car and wear leather shoes etc, but of course thats justifiable =) If I wanted to roll around in the dirt of the world and give myself a heart attack or cancer worrying about all the injustices I wouldn't be playing games, I would be saving the whales and the sharks - and patting myself on the back for being such a good person while I kick the next homeless person out of my doorway =)

TheyLi · 10-11-2005, 06:34 PM

All I can say is, go swim around in Sinking Sands or Everfrost for a while then tell me if you still feel for the plight of the poor, defenseless sharks.

Ariana217 · 10-11-2005, 10:59 PM

Forget the sharks! I'm more upset at the alchemists' usage of the deadly chemical dihydrogen monoxide.

Make it stop!!!

http://www.dhmo.org/

Kthaara · 10-12-2005, 12:57 AM

Heh. Housepet problem? Easy solution. Collect all of your belongings except the pets, then relinquish the house. Poof. No more pets. I guess that they either starve to death or are picked up by the Norrathian Humane Society.

Don't assume that Sony made them no-destroy to appease the people at PETA.

This thread is idiotic. Don't come in to a fantasy game forum and expect real life issues to matter. Perhaps you were looking for like-minded people to join your crusade? rofl.

I suggest you fire up a nice game of Blues Clues instead. Should be pretty safe.

K

Kthaara · 10-12-2005, 01:12 AM

So, killing a shark for its fin is worse than breaking into someones house to steal money? After killing mobs? Then complaining when you get pwnd?

Here is one of your posts:

There is a tears grifter quest where you have to steal a money pouch after killing the mobs in the zone.

When you steal the money about 4 triple down blue mobs spawn on you.

For a class that is meant to be king of ae dps i got smashed three times in a row and then deleted the quest.

Constant interrupts and the one time i did get bony grasp off it was resisted by half of them.

Almost any other class would have found this an easy quest but because of our stupidly long cast times and the sheer number of interrupts i found it impossible as a 48 warlock.

I'm not impressed.

Shadrack 50 Warden

I too, am not impressed.

k

zorros · 10-12-2005, 08:06 PM

Kthaara wrote:

So, killing a shark for its fin is worse than breaking into someones house to steal money? After killing mobs? Then complaining when you get pwnd?

Here is one of your posts:

There is a tears grifter quest where you have to steal a money pouch after killing the mobs in the zone.

When you steal the money about 4 triple down blue mobs spawn on you.

For a class that is meant to be king of ae dps i got smashed three times in a row and then deleted the quest.

Constant interrupts and the one time i did get bony grasp off it was resisted by half of them.

Almost any other class would have found this an easy quest but because of our stupidly long cast times and the sheer number of interrupts i found it impossible as a 48 warlock.

I'm not impressed.

Shadrack 50 Warden

I too, am not impressed.

k

lol enough said i think :smileytongue:

Thunderchick · 10-18-2005, 06:15 PM

Try telling all the people that have lost an arm, leg, etc to a shark in rl how you feel about this not some gamers in a fantasy world.

valkyrja · 10-19-2005, 09:14 PM

I think it's funny that this caught your attention, and not the killing of countless creatures, and people.

Tayros · 10-19-2005, 09:29 PM

Calthine wrote:

Okay. I understand your altruism, but I still think you're over-reacting. It's a game. Do we have to worry about the hole in the Ozone layer that Lunclin's explosion has caused? Or the rampant poaching of badgers? Or the exploitation of gnolls, which are not an inferior race as generally assumed, but rational, thinking peoples with their own society and lore?

I'm still really worried about the wholesale sluaghter of sentient beings...

[Removed for Content]!

This is the funniest thread of the week. Calthine you're on a roll! no pun intended. Put this in the treasure chest!

The original poster has my thinking though that every animal on the planet has it's place: right next to the mashed potatoes...

Thibor24 · 10-19-2005, 10:29 PM

To those who have read my post and responded thank you.

I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.

For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you.

Tayros · 10-20-2005, 01:58 AM

Thibor24 wrote:

To those who have read my post and responded thank you.

I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.

For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you.

Hey T, no one is calling you anything, it's good to have conviction. I was a die hard vegan for 2+ years, and my toon sucks down dried meat and water every meal!!! You gotta admit, this is a funny thread though!

There's no ESRB rating for "Politically Correct".

griffens cl · 10-20-2005, 10:31 AM

k, i don't want to make people mad or anything, but to me this issue does seem a little silly...keep in mind that that is my opinion, and in no way meant to disparage the beliefs of the OP.

perhaps the sharkfins that are fished up merely come from recently deceased sharks that have been eaten by other sharks? i mean, all we see is our toon throwing out his/her fishing line, and poof! you have fished a shark fin! if our toons were really fishing sharks, i'd sort of expect to see the message "you have fished a shark" appear, and then a shark to spawn BAM on top of us and start attacking. would definitely make fishing a little more exciting...

anyhow, i can't really see that the shark fins used in our recipes are coming off of live sharks, as if our puny lines could pull the fins off, and if it is meant that our toons are really catching a live shark, shucking off the fins, and throwing it back, i'd sort of expect to see that...

i don't really think it encourages the practice of finning, as i really don't think very many people even thought of this until it was brought up in this thread. i certainly don't feel the urge to go out and hack the fins off a shark just because i fished a fin in this game lol

meh, i ramble, i know, but that's just what i think...although i do agree that this really is just a fantasy game, and no amount of rationalization or logic is going to make it comparable to real life morals or ethics when considering the source of crafting raws lol

XtremSummo · 10-20-2005, 01:37 PM

Lol I love that this thread is still going. Seeing whether the shark fin debate (or one sided lambasting of the OP) is still going puts a smile on my face in the morning when I check the forums... SMILEY

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zorros · 10-20-2005, 10:31 PM

XtremSummons wrote:
Lol I love that this thread is still going. Seeing whether the shark fin debate (or one sided lambasting of the OP) is still going puts a smile on my face in the morning when I check the forums...

X

Ifeel the same way,

Barq Bandit · 10-21-2005, 03:01 AM

Thibor24 wrote:

To those who have read my post and responded thank you.

I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.

For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you.

The change itself would not be unreasonably difficult, no. But there are some reasons why the suggestion is laughable.

If the Devs catered to your trivial request, then they would open themselves up to having to cater to every last little politically-correct, moral-squad, over-reacting, tree-hugging notion that popped into the heads of every single one of their several thousand subscribers.
Everquest is not real.
The sharks are not real.
The shark fins are not real.
The imaginary shark fins aren't obtained through slaying sharks, imaginary or real, in any way or form.
It would take time away from genuinely needed changes to the game, like putting breaded flounder in the lvl 6 Provisioner recipe book where it belongs!

And thank the gods for that breaded flounder move. I don't think I could have endured another day with it being in the wrong place.

XtremSummo · 10-21-2005, 04:39 PM

Quote: I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.

You're missing the main issue entirely which would be: Where do you draw the line?

You say in your original post: "This encourages the barbaric practice of finning". You have to show this though. In what way does the presence of Shark Fin and shark-fin soup in the game encourage the practice of Shark Finning in real life?

You're assuming that the contents of this game seriously and deeply affect the way that players go about forming real-life moral judgements. That having shark's-fin soup in the game is likely to make people more likely to eat it in real life and thus support the barbaric slaughter of shark. But exactly why would this be so? As others point out there are all sorts of things in the game that may be morally objectionable that we don't expect players to replicate in real life - why would this thing be so influential where the others aren't?

If you say that having Shark Fin in the game can encourage the practice of finning in real life, then how do you answer those people who try to have games like this banned on the basis that they encourage people to be violent in real life?

If your basic premise is accepted, then that opens the door to all sorts of other things that would have to be banned from the game - and possibly the game itself being banned. Basic things like encouraging hunting of wildlife for meat and pelts would be seriously objected to by my vegan sister - and others in this thread have given you many other examples that range from sensible counter-examples to more exaggerated (but just as valid) ones.

It's not enough to look at the game through your own eyes and say "Those things don't need to be banned - but shark's-fin does" because other people may look at the game through quite different eyes and want the game or basic elements of the game itself banned. So in the end, establishing the principle of removing items from game based on requests such as these could very well affect other people's game play. Not by removing shark's fins themselves... but by establishing a precedent through which many other game elements may be attacked.

The question isn't really why shouldn't SoE change it. The question is why should they? If you could show that having it in-game encouraged the practice of shark-finning in real life, then OK, take it out.... but if you could show that, then the game itself wouldn't exist because it'd have been closed down for all sorts of other things soon thereafter.

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Katie B · 10-24-2005, 04:08 AM

Barq Bandit wrote:

Thibor24 wrote:

To those who have read my post and responded thank you.

I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.

For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you.

The change itself would not be unreasonably difficult, no. But there are some reasons why the suggestion is laughable.

If the Devs catered to your trivial request, then they would open themselves up to having to cater to every last little politically-correct, moral-squad, over-reacting, tree-hugging notion that popped into the heads of every single one of their several thousand subscribers.

Everquest is not real.

The sharks are not real.

The shark fins are not real.

The imaginary shark fins aren't obtained through slaying sharks, imaginary or real, in any way or form.

It would take time away from genuinely needed changes to the game, like putting breaded flounder in the lvl 6 Provisioner recipe book where it belongs!

And thank the gods for that breaded flounder move. I don't think I could have endured another day with it being in the wrong place.

/Cheers Barq !!!!!!

Breaded Flounder is soon to become the staple food of the game! Well... that is unless PETA steps in and request a change. After all, PETA says people should not fish at all because of the pain the fish endure while being caught.

OMG!! The thought of Breaded Flounder not being in the game is enough to drive a girl to brink of /delete !

Nice reply Barq....

Now remind me if you will... This IS a game right? I mean, there are lots of games out there that have a social interaction within the game that do not involve killing/slaying/maming of animals or people right? I have seen the ones where you build roller coasters, cities, even the ones where you make a family and have a garden! But the fact remains, nobody twists anyone's arm to subscribe to any game, and if things within the structure of a game personally affect someone and their belief system, they should quit. If someone were against the death penalty, would they play a game that made them an prison warden?

/shrug... I dunno... I respect the way everyone believes to a point, so good luck with your march to remove shark fin. I am sure you will get that pretty close to the same time we get t6 food fixed.

Omonus... Hunter of the Ubber Flounder

PS... If I have failed to thank SOE for making us feel so special for being subscribers and provisioners, well it was intentional.

I do thank you for finally fixing that flounder issue! It troubled me all the way to lvl 60!

notxab · 10-24-2005, 07:21 PM

Freak. But I see it is ok to deforest Norrath for your craft.

Shadrack 50 Warden 46 Carpenter Of Dracos Argent

Kthaara · 10-26-2005, 10:53 PM

OMG. I hadn't even thought about the forests. I am sure that the defense to that is that all of the lumber harvested is from "felled" trees. Perhaps we can start putting tin spikes in the felled lumber to discourage harvesting them?

What about the Antonican Wood Cutters? They are non-aggro and are obviously just out trying to make a few copper for their families. I suppose I should wipe the zone of them every time I log in.......just to be safe.

K

I too, love the fact that this post is still alive.

Jillybean · 10-27-2005, 01:29 AM

*marches with a save the pixels sign* hey...if we don't think of the pixels being killed daily in EQII...who will?

10-06-2005, 02:34 AM	#32
Barq Bandit Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 687	this is silly. i understand feeling adamant about the RL practice of finning a shark, but this isn't RL. this is a game. this is Norrath, where the problems of shark extinction are NOT a problem. this game has absolutely NOTHING to do with real life! ...other than depriving all of us of massive chunks of our free time, that is. : ) __________________

10-06-2005, 09:14 PM	#34
cooper9280 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 68	Much ado about nothing (as some wise person once wrote)!!! Get a grip folks, as has been pointed out, this is a GAME and occurs in a world that existed way before the world had any notions about being politically correct. Why should we try to force our modern moral dilemas on a world that had enough to contend with just surviving. Doesn't make any more sense than it would seeing automobiles crossing Antonica. I'll stick with the Griffons and enjoy the rest!!! Message Edited by cooper9280 on 10-06-2005 10:15 AM __________________

10-07-2005, 12:35 AM	#35
Barq Bandit Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 687	cooper9280 wrote: Much ado about nothing (as some wise person once wrote)!!! Get a grip folks, as has been pointed out, this is a GAME and occurs in a world that existed way before the world had any notions about being politically correct. Why should we try to force our modern moral dilemas on a world that had enough to contend with just surviving. Doesn't make any more sense than it would seeing automobiles crossing Antonica. I'll stick with the Griffons and enjoy the rest!!! this game takes place in a world that never existed at all. it's fantasy, not historical. __________________

10-07-2005, 03:09 PM	#36
smckean Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	OK.. Get up off the chair in your dorm room/mom's basement. Walk to the door, open it, walk to the nearest busy street. Observe real life. The "mutilation" you refer to is a minor facet of a game.. and it isnt even represented in a graphic form. If you want to wave a flag, go play Grand Theft Auto. __________________ WTB: MMORPG not designed for the fleeting attention span of a 15 year old

10-07-2005, 08:46 PM	#37
comwebgr Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 46	You probably caused the application to forget that it ever existed. Horrible! Thibor24 wrote: If you took the deer, chopped its legs off while it was still alive and left it to die slowly over hours or days while only taking the legs to eat then yes i would have a problem with killing deer. I dont think you understood my post, its not the killing of the animal but the way it is tortured to death and the way that the meat is left to rot while only the fin is taken that upsets me. If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory. __________________ Kinkle 80+ Warden Wings of Tunare

10-06-2005, 12:29 AM	#31
Xcuetioner Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: St. Louis metro area, IL side Posts: 3	In T1 zones you got turtle meat to make Turtle Soup. Isn't that sort of the same thing? My children play this game and they know the difference between games & reality. I would hope that your children will also know the difference between fishing up a shark fin and the barbaric act you describe. Have you swam with Dreadwake lately? He might make you change your mind about killing sharks. lol

10-06-2005, 03:38 PM	#33
kreli Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	That's a good point. In Norrath shark finning is not a barbaric practice. In fact, I'm quite certain I've never seen a finless shark sinking to the bottom and drowning. I have seen sharks spontaneously spring into existence, and, despite my best efforts, I am unable to make them extinct...

10-07-2005, 08:47 PM	#38
comwebgr Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 46	It is also possible that the animated crabs ate the rest of the animated shark. Thibor24 wrote: If you took the deer, chopped its legs off while it was still alive and left it to die slowly over hours or days while only taking the legs to eat then yes i would have a problem with killing deer. I dont think you understood my post, its not the killing of the animal but the way it is tortured to death and the way that the meat is left to rot while only the fin is taken that upsets me. If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory. __________________ Kinkle 80+ Warden Wings of Tunare

10-10-2005, 01:33 PM	#39
Ken Sh Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1	Don't take it too serious it's just a game. It'll lead to everlast discussion or confusion if you compare the game with real life. You make your choice on crafting an item or killing a mob it's totally yours. If you don't like making sharks fin soup or killing faires just ignore it. This topic reminded me something. In this game silver clusters are rare however gold clusters are common. Before removing Shark Fin, ask them to fix this first it is totally ridiculous LOL (IF you linking it up with real life). :smileyvery-happy: Peace.

10-10-2005, 09:02 PM	#40
BigDawgy Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13	mmm...More sharkfin for me!

10-11-2005, 12:46 PM	#41
lover General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ballarat, Australia Posts: 46	I'm sorry - but you really need to STOP thinking when playing a game/watching a movie/reading a book. The fact that we can as human beings employ the suspension of disbelief serves to illustrate why we are a creative race! If you, and others of your serious tendencies, continue the way you are noone will be able to go anywhere or do anything for fear of doing something incorrect or inhumane or yada yada. And I am guessing you drive a car and wear leather shoes etc, but of course thats justifiable =) If I wanted to roll around in the dirt of the world and give myself a heart attack or cancer worrying about all the injustices I wouldn't be playing games, I would be saving the whales and the sharks - and patting myself on the back for being such a good person while I kick the next homeless person out of my doorway =)

10-11-2005, 06:34 PM	#42
TheyLi Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 86	All I can say is, go swim around in Sinking Sands or Everfrost for a while then tell me if you still feel for the plight of the poor, defenseless sharks.

10-11-2005, 10:59 PM	#43
Ariana217 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	Forget the sharks! I'm more upset at the alchemists' usage of the deadly chemical dihydrogen monoxide. Make it stop!!! http://www.dhmo.org/

10-12-2005, 12:57 AM	#44
Kthaara Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 149	Heh. Housepet problem? Easy solution. Collect all of your belongings except the pets, then relinquish the house. Poof. No more pets. I guess that they either starve to death or are picked up by the Norrathian Humane Society. Don't assume that Sony made them no-destroy to appease the people at PETA. This thread is idiotic. Don't come in to a fantasy game forum and expect real life issues to matter. Perhaps you were looking for like-minded people to join your crusade? rofl. I suggest you fire up a nice game of Blues Clues instead. Should be pretty safe. K __________________

10-12-2005, 01:12 AM	#45
Kthaara Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 149	So, killing a shark for its fin is worse than breaking into someones house to steal money? After killing mobs? Then complaining when you get pwnd? Here is one of your posts: There is a tears grifter quest where you have to steal a money pouch after killing the mobs in the zone. When you steal the money about 4 triple down blue mobs spawn on you. For a class that is meant to be king of ae dps i got smashed three times in a row and then deleted the quest. Constant interrupts and the one time i did get bony grasp off it was resisted by half of them. Almost any other class would have found this an easy quest but because of our stupidly long cast times and the sheer number of interrupts i found it impossible as a 48 warlock. I'm not impressed. Shadrack 50 Warden I too, am not impressed. k __________________

10-12-2005, 08:06 PM	#46
zorros Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 474	Kthaara wrote: So, killing a shark for its fin is worse than breaking into someones house to steal money? After killing mobs? Then complaining when you get pwnd? Here is one of your posts: There is a tears grifter quest where you have to steal a money pouch after killing the mobs in the zone. When you steal the money about 4 triple down blue mobs spawn on you. For a class that is meant to be king of ae dps i got smashed three times in a row and then deleted the quest. Constant interrupts and the one time i did get bony grasp off it was resisted by half of them. Almost any other class would have found this an easy quest but because of our stupidly long cast times and the sheer number of interrupts i found it impossible as a 48 warlock. I'm not impressed. Shadrack 50 Warden I too, am not impressed. k lol enough said i think :smileytongue:

10-18-2005, 06:15 PM	#47
Thunderchick Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3	Try telling all the people that have lost an arm, leg, etc to a shark in rl how you feel about this not some gamers in a fantasy world.

10-19-2005, 09:14 PM	#48
valkyrja Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 559	I think it's funny that this caught your attention, and not the killing of countless creatures, and people. __________________

10-19-2005, 09:29 PM	#49
Tayros Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 109	Calthine wrote: Okay. I understand your altruism, but I still think you're over-reacting. It's a game. Do we have to worry about the hole in the Ozone layer that Lunclin's explosion has caused? Or the rampant poaching of badgers? Or the exploitation of gnolls, which are not an inferior race as generally assumed, but rational, thinking peoples with their own society and lore? I'm still really worried about the wholesale sluaghter of sentient beings... [Removed for Content]! This is the funniest thread of the week. Calthine you're on a roll! no pun intended. Put this in the treasure chest! The original poster has my thinking though that every animal on the planet has it's place: right next to the mashed potatoes...

10-19-2005, 10:29 PM	#50
Thibor24 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	To those who have read my post and responded thank you. I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed. For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you. __________________ Mishrack 70 Conjurer Gloaming 61 Coercer Of Highkeep

10-20-2005, 01:58 AM	#51
Tayros Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 109	Thibor24 wrote: To those who have read my post and responded thank you. I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed. For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you. Hey T, no one is calling you anything, it's good to have conviction. I was a die hard vegan for 2+ years, and my toon sucks down dried meat and water every meal!!! You gotta admit, this is a funny thread though! There's no ESRB rating for "Politically Correct".

10-20-2005, 10:31 AM	#52
griffens cl Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1	k, i don't want to make people mad or anything, but to me this issue does seem a little silly...keep in mind that that is my opinion, and in no way meant to disparage the beliefs of the OP. perhaps the sharkfins that are fished up merely come from recently deceased sharks that have been eaten by other sharks? i mean, all we see is our toon throwing out his/her fishing line, and poof! you have fished a shark fin! if our toons were really fishing sharks, i'd sort of expect to see the message "you have fished a shark" appear, and then a shark to spawn BAM on top of us and start attacking. would definitely make fishing a little more exciting... anyhow, i can't really see that the shark fins used in our recipes are coming off of live sharks, as if our puny lines could pull the fins off, and if it is meant that our toons are really catching a live shark, shucking off the fins, and throwing it back, i'd sort of expect to see that... i don't really think it encourages the practice of finning, as i really don't think very many people even thought of this until it was brought up in this thread. i certainly don't feel the urge to go out and hack the fins off a shark just because i fished a fin in this game lol meh, i ramble, i know, but that's just what i think...although i do agree that this really is just a fantasy game, and no amount of rationalization or logic is going to make it comparable to real life morals or ethics when considering the source of crafting raws lol

10-20-2005, 01:37 PM	#53
XtremSummo General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 337	Lol I love that this thread is still going. Seeing whether the shark fin debate (or one sided lambasting of the OP) is still going puts a smile on my face in the morning when I check the forums... X

10-20-2005, 10:31 PM	#54
zorros Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 474	XtremSummons wrote: Lol I love that this thread is still going. Seeing whether the shark fin debate (or one sided lambasting of the OP) is still going puts a smile on my face in the morning when I check the forums... X Ifeel the same way,

10-21-2005, 03:01 AM	#55
Barq Bandit Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 687	Thibor24 wrote: To those who have read my post and responded thank you. I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed. For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you. The change itself would not be unreasonably difficult, no. But there are some reasons why the suggestion is laughable. If the Devs catered to your trivial request, then they would open themselves up to having to cater to every last little politically-correct, moral-squad, over-reacting, tree-hugging notion that popped into the heads of every single one of their several thousand subscribers. Everquest is not real. The sharks are not real. The shark fins are not real. The imaginary shark fins aren't obtained through slaying sharks, imaginary or real, in any way or form. It would take time away from genuinely needed changes to the game, like putting breaded flounder in the lvl 6 Provisioner recipe book where it belongs! And thank the gods for that breaded flounder move. I don't think I could have endured another day with it being in the wrong place. __________________

10-21-2005, 04:39 PM	#56
XtremSummo General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 337	Quote: I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed. You're missing the main issue entirely which would be: Where do you draw the line? You say in your original post: "This encourages the barbaric practice of finning". You have to show this though. In what way does the presence of Shark Fin and shark-fin soup in the game encourage the practice of Shark Finning in real life? You're assuming that the contents of this game seriously and deeply affect the way that players go about forming real-life moral judgements. That having shark's-fin soup in the game is likely to make people more likely to eat it in real life and thus support the barbaric slaughter of shark. But exactly why would this be so? As others point out there are all sorts of things in the game that may be morally objectionable that we don't expect players to replicate in real life - why would this thing be so influential where the others aren't? If you say that having Shark Fin in the game can encourage the practice of finning in real life, then how do you answer those people who try to have games like this banned on the basis that they encourage people to be violent in real life? If your basic premise is accepted, then that opens the door to all sorts of other things that would have to be banned from the game - and possibly the game itself being banned. Basic things like encouraging hunting of wildlife for meat and pelts would be seriously objected to by my vegan sister - and others in this thread have given you many other examples that range from sensible counter-examples to more exaggerated (but just as valid) ones. It's not enough to look at the game through your own eyes and say "Those things don't need to be banned - but shark's-fin does" because other people may look at the game through quite different eyes and want the game or basic elements of the game itself banned. So in the end, establishing the principle of removing items from game based on requests such as these could very well affect other people's game play. Not by removing shark's fins themselves... but by establishing a precedent through which many other game elements may be attacked. The question isn't really why shouldn't SoE change it. The question is why should they? If you could show that having it in-game encouraged the practice of shark-finning in real life, then OK, take it out.... but if you could show that, then the game itself wouldn't exist because it'd have been closed down for all sorts of other things soon thereafter. X

10-24-2005, 04:08 AM	#57
Katie B Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1	Barq Bandit wrote: Thibor24 wrote: To those who have read my post and responded thank you. I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed. For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you. The change itself would not be unreasonably difficult, no. But there are some reasons why the suggestion is laughable. If the Devs catered to your trivial request, then they would open themselves up to having to cater to every last little politically-correct, moral-squad, over-reacting, tree-hugging notion that popped into the heads of every single one of their several thousand subscribers. Everquest is not real. The sharks are not real. The shark fins are not real. The imaginary shark fins aren't obtained through slaying sharks, imaginary or real, in any way or form. It would take time away from genuinely needed changes to the game, like putting breaded flounder in the lvl 6 Provisioner recipe book where it belongs! And thank the gods for that breaded flounder move. I don't think I could have endured another day with it being in the wrong place. /Cheers Barq !!!!!! Breaded Flounder is soon to become the staple food of the game! Well... that is unless PETA steps in and request a change. After all, PETA says people should not fish at all because of the pain the fish endure while being caught. OMG!! The thought of Breaded Flounder not being in the game is enough to drive a girl to brink of /delete ! Nice reply Barq.... Now remind me if you will... This IS a game right? I mean, there are lots of games out there that have a social interaction within the game that do not involve killing/slaying/maming of animals or people right? I have seen the ones where you build roller coasters, cities, even the ones where you make a family and have a garden! But the fact remains, nobody twists anyone's arm to subscribe to any game, and if things within the structure of a game personally affect someone and their belief system, they should quit. If someone were against the death penalty, would they play a game that made them an prison warden? /shrug... I dunno... I respect the way everyone believes to a point, so good luck with your march to remove shark fin. I am sure you will get that pretty close to the same time we get t6 food fixed. Omonus... Hunter of the Ubber Flounder PS... If I have failed to thank SOE for making us feel so special for being subscribers and provisioners, well it was intentional. I do thank you for finally fixing that flounder issue! It troubled me all the way to lvl 60! __________________ Omonus Darkwind of Befallen

10-24-2005, 07:21 PM	#58
notxab General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	Freak. But I see it is ok to deforest Norrath for your craft. Shadrack 50 Warden 46 Carpenter Of Dracos Argent __________________ DespondentÂ* 51 Templar on Antonia Bayle

10-26-2005, 10:53 PM	#59
Kthaara Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 149	OMG. I hadn't even thought about the forests. I am sure that the defense to that is that all of the lumber harvested is from "felled" trees. Perhaps we can start putting tin spikes in the felled lumber to discourage harvesting them? What about the Antonican Wood Cutters? They are non-aggro and are obviously just out trying to make a few copper for their families. I suppose I should wipe the zone of them every time I log in.......just to be safe. K I too, love the fact that this post is still alive. __________________

10-27-2005, 01:29 AM	#60
Jillybean Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12	marches with a save the pixels sign hey...if we don't think of the pixels being killed daily in EQII...who will?