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09-30-2005, 04:50 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Ah, screw it... account canceled. I went out and bought WoW for my wife and I and we had a blast playing that for the first time last night. Druids are pretty [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] cool in that came from what I've seen so far. I'll give SOE a few months to fix the unbalanced healing and then come back and see how things are going. Then again, maybe I won't. Good luck Wardens. Signing off, |
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09-30-2005, 06:12 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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I guess this is what most wardens will do instead of trying to grind through 50 levels again as another class.  Have fun in WoW though  I was pretty depressed last night trying to group in Shimmering Citadel with a 55 assassin, 55 dirge, 55 warlock and myself a 52 warden. We were killing undead naga and I basically had to throw every heal I had to keep people alive ... still had 3 deaths no matter how much spamming i did. Funny part is we picked up a templar and I switched from healing to dps since he had no issues handling the healing. What a freaking joke this class has become.
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09-30-2005, 09:12 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Sorry to hear it. Might not be a bad idea though. Give them some time. I've scoped out some alts that I have condsidered playing as my main, should the issues be swept under the rocks. I'm not quite there yet though. Good luck neblehK.
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09-30-2005, 09:16 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Yeah I've stopped playing also. I will certainly come back when they fix us though and I think they will eventually.
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09-30-2005, 09:29 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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played WoW, it was like Diablo II, i still play my warden, in fact, hes even my main still. played a sorcerer and a rogue, loved my warden best. i even went out and played a templar, still came back to my warden. "everyones saying theyll leave if they dont fix the classes...the day they add jedi is the day i will leave EQ2"
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09-30-2005, 09:36 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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neblehk, please continue to post on the forums as I have loved reading your feedback, You dont have to play anymore but at least you can keep in touch with the warden community. I hope you enjoy playing WoW as well. Dont let a game get to you. :smileywink: |
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09-30-2005, 10:51 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Yep ive switched to playing my warlock and conj characters. Warden is gathering dust.
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09-30-2005, 11:37 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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NeblehK - sad to see you go, but understand where you are coming from. Hope you keep coming by the boards, enjoyed and learned from your posts. Enjoy WoW and fingers crossed they make the changes for Wardens sooner rather than later. |
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10-01-2005, 01:46 PM
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How do you post without an account? I've tried posting after I canceled my account 6 months ago, but I was unable to. Is there some sort of trick you can do?
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10-01-2005, 04:41 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I believe that you can post up to the time your monthly payment runs out. To the OP: I did the WoW thing around february, but I recently came back to EQ2. Levelling to 60 was incredibly fun and fast, but then the game got stale at the high-end. Except for PvP battlegrounds, I got bored at the game.
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10-01-2005, 06:27 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Sorry to see you go, but I can't blame you at all. I'm on that road myself, but will most likely not play any other game. Maybe I'll take up knitting..? That's been around 100's of years and has never once been nerfed |
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10-02-2005, 08:24 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Arielle you always make me smile =D. Oh and I like your new sig! As the the original poster, best of luck to you! I do hate seeing the wardens give up, as many of them are...but all the same its all in the player. I do hope you come back though =).
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10-02-2005, 09:41 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Would have had more respect for you if you had not said you went to WoW.. that is pretty degrading in itself because a newly born chimp could get a lvl 60 in WoW and since these games are just as much about achivement as fun, you will reach 60 in no time at all and wonder why you wasted all that time there much like EVERYONE else there. Ah well, its your life
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10-03-2005, 04:39 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I started playing EQ 2 when it went live (took a week off from work just to do that), and stayed till last December. I finally succombed to the siren's call of WoW, mostly because everyone (except me) from my EQ 1 guild went to WoW, and because my son wanted to play WoW and I wanted to play with him. I'm back now. Call me shallow, but I just can't get into a game where I look and feel like a character from a bad cartoon. Grouping is irrelevant for the most part in WoW, and for that part of the content that requires groups, if you don't have reliable friends or an active guild, forget it. CoH and EQ 2 have implemented great and easy to use LFG functions that let you fnd partners of whatever class and level you need, anywhere in the game world. The folks at Blizzard seem to have decided that if you don't have a group, you don't need one, and have stubbornly refused to implement any kind of decent LFG function. I hope you like WoW. To me it was like popcorn - tasty at first, but after a while you just can't eat any more, and 10 minutes later you wonder why you bothered in the first place.
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10-03-2005, 04:53 PM
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It looks like EQ2 is losing Wardens faster than ever and yet, apart from a very very general post by a single dev, I still havent seen anything from SoE with regards to the woeful [Removed for Content] of the Warden.
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10-03-2005, 05:11 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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The sad fact is we are back to being the equivalent of the EQlive Druid. We solo nearly as well as we used to, we do decent dps for a healer class, we really compliment a Templar main healer in a group, but we are a sad primary healer. I'm still playing my Warden as my main character, but Ive had to change my mentality on what I can and cannot do.
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10-03-2005, 07:31 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I'm not going to take issue with the complaints about Wardens here, because my play experience isn't enough to judge. My highest character so far is my 32 Warden, so I haven't seen a lot of the things you guys are talking about. Having said that, I was solo healer in a group that did Nektropos Castle last night. We had 1 Guardian (lvl 35), 3 scouts (lvl range 28-35) and a necro. Except for a couple of dicey moments and a bad pull (3 groups of heroics) that resulted in a wipe, I really had no problem maintaining my group until the last fight against Everling, and those problems I think were caused by our being a little unready for the fight and by my missing a couple of crucial heals (my fault entirely). So at least in the low to mid 30's, Warden works pretty well as a solo healer. I will agree with something someone said above, however - there is no margin for error when you are a warden solo healer. One moments inattention, or one warong keypunch, and it can be all over for the group. What I would like to see is a little shorter recast time on our instant heals - that would help a ton.
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10-03-2005, 07:47 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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The problem with our heals and having shorter recasts is that we completely lose the regen effect that is suppose to put them up to par with other heals. =(.
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10-03-2005, 09:10 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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I am going to finish getting my warden the last adept 3 of all the lvl 51 - 60 spells today, Do a few more quests and get a few more arena pets. Shoot, I'm about to even get my fourth master 1 spell. Then I might put him on the shelf for a little bit and lvl up my Bruiser. There are 3 Wardens in my guild atm and together is just a waist on raids. We only have 1 bruiser and from what I have seen they are perhaps the new best tanks in the expansion plus they are great in duels, do more dmg, and have Feign Death. I will admit that I had more fun playing my warden then any other class but until they get fixed, if they do, I think that I would be more useful as a bruiser to my guild.
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10-03-2005, 11:00 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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NebleHK, I have done the same thing. It's just not fun for me anymore. I'll miss all of you and wish you the best of luck! Thanks for the fun, I hope to see it come back someday. ~Kilandra~ |
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10-04-2005, 12:18 AM
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I've pretty much stopped playing my warden on my 2nd account also and it doesn't look like they're going to do anything to fix wardens. I've gone back to just playing my Troubadour. I used to 2-box both of them, but the warden can't keep the well equiped(fable/legendary/prismatic weapon) bard alive as well as he used to. It's just not worth the trouble of 2 boxing the warden anymore and will be cancelling my 2nd account. I know they're trying to balance things out, but it's been ~1 year since launch already. Get your act together, because once Vanguard - Saga of Heroes comes out; you're going to lose more customers.
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10-04-2005, 02:06 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I'm a stubborn Warden, so I'm hanging in there, but I admit that even my interest is waning at this point. I've always loved healing with my warden, and I don't really want to play any other healer, but maybe it's time to pickup a nuker or a melee class...
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10-04-2005, 02:08 AM
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I seem to recall that the sisters in the castle are 35ish, leading me to believe that the entire castle is approximately that level (with everling, of course, being higher). A 35 tank means that the mobs were mostly blue, white and low yellow to your tank, which is a situation that we all agree a warden *can* heal in. That's not our problem. Our issue is that when we want to really push a group, into high orange con mobs, we can't do it- but a Templar can.
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10-05-2005, 06:14 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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to the OP: Dude, i don't know if you have been hit over the head with a 2x4 too many times, or just havent actually been PLAYING. I'm a Warden. LU 13 has made me EVEN BETTER. Oh ya, and Wardens aren't SUPPOSED to be a superhealer. *duh* Try learning your class...if you can learn at all.
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10-05-2005, 06:36 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Yay, the warden forums have a new troll! There's a mountain of evidence on this board as to why you're wrong. You could actually look for it, if you wanted to take your rose-colored glasses off for a moment. Wardens are supposed to be on par with all of the other healers. And pre-13, we were probably tied with Templars for best healers, period. Since we're now at the bottom... yeah, it hasn't made you better. If you posted a level, or some reasons, or pretty much anything other than a troll post, we might bother to take you seriously. As it is, you're well on your way to the ignore list after only one post! Congratulations.
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10-05-2005, 08:25 PM
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I also have put my beloved Warden on the shelf.:smileysad: I would have deleted him altogether, but he is my only crafter (33 Sage). Besides, "someone" has to mind the market while my "able alts" go adventuring. I now play my Illusionist and am truly loving her, :smileyvery-happy: but I'm gonna miss my nature loving healer. I played a druid in EQ1 and have to agree with one of the other posters, we have come full circle. We can solo and we are good back up healers....uhm...yay.:smileymad: But as main healer, I no longer trust my healing ability. It's funny, now, when I'm in a group and we get a Warden as the main healer, I'm not nearly as confident as I once was. Perhaps a day will come when I wake up to another update, and find that Wardens are again capable healers. Then I can dust him off and put him back to work, until then, he's been demoted to a store clerk.:smileysurprised:
Oh yeah almost forgot. For all those "you just don't understand how to play your class....I can play my Warden perfectly...he can tank and heal and solo and nuke and walk on water and pull rabbits from a hat and can see dead people and is in the process of stopping the war on terror...." blah, blah, blah. Then I just have to say "Good for you!" You are a true blessing and It's a wonder you don't have a halo on your head, you are absolutely perfect and the rest of us must strive to achieve a fraction of you intellect. That being said, bite me.:smileyindifferent: Message Edited by Lavenderboi on 10-05-2005 09:31 AM |
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10-05-2005, 09:24 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, those with an all access pass can post wherever they want. |
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10-05-2005, 09:49 PM
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Caer you probably cannot imagine how happy i am that you actually changed your mind and now are fighting with us on the right side of all this mess SOE put up. If only you were on the same side pre-LU13 during DoF beta .... it could have actually made a difference. But i do not blame, you had actually faith in the developpers, a faith SOE devs have prouved year in and year out, game in game out, they do not deserve.
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10-05-2005, 09:59 PM
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Actually, you should have seen the PMs I sent regarding specialty and group heals during beta. It was only the direct heals that I had a higher opinion of- and part of that, remember, is that they *massively* increased mob spike damage in the last 2-3 days of beta. Before that, the lack of burst healing *wasn't* a problem, and we had come to the conclusion that the combat changes were *smoothing* spikes, not increasing them. Obviously, they reversed that decision at the last moment... I actually still don't really mind our direct heals. I've been convinced that yes, a bit more front-loading would be nice- but I don't mind the overall mechanic. I'm not opposed to losing *some* burst healing ability in exchange for better direct heal efficiency, but real playtime has convinced me that the tradeoff there is still too harsh for now. Specialty heals are a different story. The combat changes and weakening of direct heals has only driven home, even harder, the point that a specialty heal that doesn't scale with incoming damage is far, far inferior to a specialty heal that does. *That* is where I really feel we need the most help right now. I like the "flavor" of the Warden class at the moment, I just want the flavor to be tweaked so that it actually works. Scaling HoTs based on incoming damage would be one way of doing that. I also feel that every priest needs another direct heal, comparable to the healing line, on a different timer. I hate sitting there with nothing but a group heal to cast- it's simply not a fun experience, and the game really is about fun in the end.
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10-05-2005, 10:20 PM
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Exactly the point  SOE has show they do not deserve any faith. We were basically just about balanced to the content before that last minute decision (even thou under other priests par) and that final changes put us miles below the level of decency ... Bottom line is - even if our ability to heal could have been ok in a world without any other healers to compare with - it was far less viable than any other priest class. So the root problem never changes, the last two adjustment on spike damaged just put every healing class down two steps, obviuosly who suffered more was us that were already standing on the bottom step of the staircase, as we went through the floor.
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