Bruisers: Subpar DPS/Subpar tank/Subpar solo

[MakhailSamma]

I have been playing a Bruiser for a long time.

 

In the begining we were incredible: We put out DPS like gods, we solo'd like gods, we tanked just as well as most.  

 

Then they nerfed our DPS.

 

We still solo'd amongst the best, we could put up ok DPS, and we could tank just as well as most.

 

Then they nerfed our soloability the first time.

 

Then we could solo as well as most classes, put up ok DPS, and tank as well as most.

 

Now they have nerfed both our soloability as well as our tanking ability.

 

Now we DPS subpar to most, are subpar tanks, and solo on par with warriors (see:bottom of the barrel).

 

What happened??

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just one example: I am a very well equipped Bruiser in one of the best raiding guilds on my server. I have fabled upon fabled and am working at maxing out my new set of AA's pretty quickly. I was in loping plains yesterday and see the named werewolf up. He is White to me and three arrows. So I throw up my mitigation buff, get a decent position, and pull him with my str hex doll to slow downs his attacks a bit. He comes in, I twist out my offensive stance, throw up KO combo, and start laying into him. I see things are going fairly well for the first 15 -20 seconds and as my CA's run out and KO combo is about to drop I switch to Defensive stance, hit em with my short term mex, and as it runs out make sure I land my eye gouge (all skills master 1 of course). Then he starts beating the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out of me... I throw up my heal and he lands three more hits real quick and realizing its about to end bad, I FD.

 

Swashy comes running by as I lay there licking my wounds and I see him rush the named. I think to myself that I am about to watch a swashy get slaughtered and consider grabbing some popcorn...then by some grace of god I watch him drop this mob in about ten seconds... so I go up and inspect this guy expecting him to be one of the best swashys I have ever seen.. and yet I see legendary gear at best..

 

[Removed for Content] happened to us??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tasye]

There's a bug with our mit buff that I noticed today. I used to pop it just before a pull, but it was down when I got an add and I took far less damage without it than with it. I found some named to test it out...and it's not a figment of my imagination. I take far more damage with it up than without it.

[xXLoucifer]

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MakhailSammael wrote:

Swashy comes running by as I lay there licking my wounds......

  

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Atleast it wasn't a zerker in full handcrafted cloth with more mit and avoidance than your full fabled.

[DisturbedMagg]

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Tasye wrote:
There's a bug with our mit buff that I noticed today. I used to pop it just before a pull, but it was down when I got an add and I took far less damage without it than with it. I found some named to test it out...and it's not a figment of my imagination. I take far more damage with it up than without it.

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You just made me realise when im famring Forsaken city i get owned by the Plant, SK dude with Vigorous up. ( SK usually ended in orange, plant usually fd cuz i run oop usuing all my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]z) Tried without and owned them :smileysurprised:

Message Edited by DisturbedMaggot on 12-05-2006 02:24 AM

[DisturbedMagg]

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xXLouciferXx wrote:

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MakhailSammael wrote:

Swashy comes running by as I lay there licking my wounds......

 

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Atleast it wasn't a zerker in full handcrafted cloth with more mit and avoidance than your full fabled.

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Not so long ago i read i zerker quite blatently come out with something along the lines of +50mit and +50 avoidance welcome to being a zerker. I mean how much more proof do soe want to prove there overpowered?

[Etchii]

Tanking is impossible.  I was in the Oblisk of blight and could not hold agro at all.  Holding agro was hard enough before the resists started...now its impossible.  Even single target agro was dropping, followed by the now very familair sound of a spell resist sound effect...and damage spikes seem to be a problem as well...but i'm used to that one.

DPS wise, in the same group (after some re-organizing and bringing in a plate tank) i was unable to reach 900dps in any parse.  I have mostly all legendary, and a nice mix of masters and adept 3's where it counts....  Check out my character on eq2players if your interested (butcherblock - Etchi).  I went down the fists AA line, maxed out crit chance, so even with a base crit of ~20% its not helping.  

The thing that really angered me about this is that even when i used the zek god ability that gives 100% critical hits + chance of attacks affecting multiple targets...with knock out combination, and fully refreshed CA's i still was unable to break 900dps.  I think it had to do with my procs being resisted...but i didn't look into that too much, was too [Removed for Content] off. 

In short, it is my experience that we are now sub-par across the board. My only hope is once i get the 68 other AA points and adorn my items that i'll be able to perform at my pre-EoF levels of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kicking.

Any bruisers out here maxed out AAs yet and adorn everything? Still seeing any issues?

 

[mace of night]

I really don't understand why you all complaining that much, Tanking since EoF is possible , i have no fabled stuff but a decent combo of legendary one ,  i'm in a RL friend's guild so we can't raid a lot because we are only 17 members full-house.Btw a bruiser  can tank and hold agro the tips is just playing with skilled peoples , i mean for example wizard that don't cast ice-comet at incoming ... I use to MT in all instances and i really have no problem, yesterday night i went in Obelisk of blight with a defiler and a fury friend of mine (all legendary stuff, no fabled , 60% master 40% adept 3) we did it in 25 minutes without dying a single time ( ok the final named wiped us ) but come on, do you really think a guardian or a zerker can do that  and travel that far at the same speed  ? i'm not sure ... and if they can i'm glad for them.In raid i use to hit 12k hp and 12k avoidance and still no problem holding agro and tank, i guess i just spend more time doing my job than complain about it.The only thing that [Removed for Content] me off is when i loose agro on body pull because of a bard song or shaman  pré-ward, but we can easilly grab it back in a second so is this really a problem ?With my guild , we use to succeed in every x2, x3 content , we have hard time on x4 because we are only 17 but we do it , i'm MT or MA and always on the top 3 or 5 dps, what other class can do that ?Class balancing is just like a circle we used to be the best we are no more and i really don't care about that, from like 7 years playing EQ1 and EQII i've seen many class going from top to bottom again and again . I prefer 100 times testing combo of CA and stuff so as to play my toon as well as possible than just pick the roxxor class , clic macros and loot ...just enjoy your toon and remember there's no numeric value for fun, forget parsers :smileywink: Hogi Mata Leao - Renegade - Mistmoore server

Message modifié par mace of night le 12-05-2006 05:41 PM

[Etchii]

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mace of night wrote:


I really don't understand why you all complaining that much, Tanking since EoF is possible , i have no fabled stuff but a decent combo of legendary one ,  i'm in a RL friend's guild so we can't raid a lot because we are only 17 members full-house.

Btw a bruiser  can tank and hold agro the tips is just playing with skilled peoples , i mean for example wizard that don't cast ice-comet at incoming ... I use to MT in all instances and i really have no problem, yesterday night i went in Obelisk of blight with a defiler and a fury friend of mine (all legendary stuff, no fabled , 60% master 40% adept 3) we did it in 25 minutes without dying a single time ( ok the final named wiped us ) but come on, do you really think a guardian or a zerker can do that  and travel that far at the same speed  ? i'm not sure ... and if they can i'm glad for them.

In raid i use to hit 12k hp and 12k avoidance and still no problem holding agro and tank, i guess i just spend more time doing my job than complain about it.

The only thing that [Removed for Content] me off is when i loose agro on body pull because of a bard song or shaman  pré-ward, but we can easilly grab it back in a second so is this really a problem ?

With my guild , we use to succeed in every x2, x3 content , we have hard time on x4 because we are only 17 but we do it , i'm MT or MA and always on the top 3 or 5 dps, what other class can do that ?

Class balancing is just like a circle we used to be the best we are no more and i really don't care about that, from like 7 years playing EQ1 and EQII i've seen many class going from top to bottom again and again . I prefer 100 times testing combo of CA and stuff so as to play my toon as well as possible than just pick the roxxor class , clic macros and loot ...

just enjoy your toon and remember there's no numeric value for fun, forget parsers :smileywink:

Hogi Mata Leao - Renegade - Mistmoore server

Message modifié par mace of night le 12-05-2006 05:41 PM

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I'm complaining about resists.  There terrible.  Taunts especially. 

[Owilliams]

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mace of night wrote:


I really don't understand why you all complaining that much, Tanking since EoF is possible , i have no fabled stuff but a decent combo of legendary one ,  i'm in a RL friend's guild so we can't raid a lot because we are only 17 members full-house.

Btw a bruiser  can tank and hold agro the tips is just playing with skilled peoples , i mean for example wizard that don't cast ice-comet at incoming ... I use to MT in all instances and i really have no problem, yesterday night i went in Obelisk of blight with a defiler and a fury friend of mine (all legendary stuff, no fabled , 60% master 40% adept 3) we did it in 25 minutes without dying a single time ( ok the final named wiped us ) but come on, do you really think a guardian or a zerker can do that  and travel that far at the same speed  ? i'm not sure ... and if they can i'm glad for them.

In raid i use to hit 12k hp and 12k avoidance and still no problem holding agro and tank, i guess i just spend more time doing my job than complain about it.

The only thing that [Removed for Content] me off is when i loose agro on body pull because of a bard song or shaman  pré-ward, but we can easilly grab it back in a second so is this really a problem ?

With my guild , we use to succeed in every x2, x3 content , we have hard time on x4 because we are only 17 but we do it , i'm MT or MA and always on the top 3 or 5 dps, what other class can do that ?

Class balancing is just like a circle we used to be the best we are no more and i really don't care about that, from like 7 years playing EQ1 and EQII i've seen many class going from top to bottom again and again . I prefer 100 times testing combo of CA and stuff so as to play my toon as well as possible than just pick the roxxor class , clic macros and loot ...

just enjoy your toon and remember there's no numeric value for fun, forget parsers :smileywink:

Hogi Mata Leao - Renegade - Mistmoore server

Message modifié par mace of night le 12-05-2006 05:41 PM

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AMEN!!

--Orv (70 Bruiser/70 Wizard/70 Paladin on Crushbone)

 

[Kaedi]

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Etchii wrote:

Tanking is impossible.  I was in the Oblisk of blight and could not hold agro at all.  Holding agro was hard enough before the resists started...now its impossible.  Even single target agro was dropping, followed by the now very familair sound of a spell resist sound effect...and damage spikes seem to be a problem as well...but i'm used to that one.

DPS wise, in the same group (after some re-organizing and bringing in a plate tank) i was unable to reach 900dps in any parse.  I have mostly all legendary, and a nice mix of masters and adept 3's where it counts....  Check out my character on eq2players if your interested (butcherblock - Etchi).  I went down the fists AA line, maxed out crit chance, so even with a base crit of ~20% its not helping.  

The thing that really angered me about this is that even when i used the zek god ability that gives 100% critical hits + chance of attacks affecting multiple targets...with knock out combination, and fully refreshed CA's i still was unable to break 900dps.  I think it had to do with my procs being resisted...but i didn't look into that too much, was too [Removed for Content] off. 

In short, it is my experience that we are now sub-par across the board. My only hope is once i get the 68 other AA points and adorn my items that i'll be able to perform at my pre-EoF levels of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kicking.

Any bruisers out here maxed out AAs yet and adorn everything? Still seeing any issues?

 

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Sorry, I'm just not seeing that personally.  I've tanked Valdoon's, MM Cats, Blight, Kaladim, Acadecism (sp) without any trouble holding aggro or taking too much damage.  I have only 3 fabled items as well (relic hat, piercing TC and Fist of Bashing) and 58 APs check Slaad on Blackburrow, I'm far from uber =)

[Rayche]

It really does look like some messed up numbers between gear.

 

The people that aren't having problems are in mostly legendary, and the people that are getting crushed (I don't care how you spell fun, or if you don't care about parsers, getting killed over and over and over isn't fun.) are wearing Fabled or better.

[MakhailSamma]

Yes, I can tank just as well as any tank for Heroic content. Thats the point of my post.

 

Can tank on par (or a little worse) then most tanks for heroics.

 

Tank worse then all on raid targets.

 

Do less DPS then most every DPS class.

 

Offer little to no group buffs.

 

Offer little to no debuffs.

 

And, to boot, cannot solo as well as most now.

 

As the title says: Bruisers: Subpar DPS/Subpar tank/Subpar solo

 

 

[Owa]

Fact is you're getting a lot of very knowledgable posters on here saying the same thing. These are not  - in the main - people who don't know their class. Usually they are in the top raiding guilds and have been contibuting hugely to the Brawler boards over the last two years.Maybe it's diminishing returns, maybe it's bugs, maybe it's bad luck. Whatever the reasons, many of the best-equipped and most experienced Bruisers across the board are finding soloing, tanking and general playability to be worse than pre-EoF. Again, this is not coming from cretins who don't know what they're doing.Whether or not we should be able to solo the same mobs we could previously is not really the issue: the issue is that many classes now (or still) can, and we can't. This isn't right no matter how 'overpowered' people may have thought the Brawler class was. Just switching around which classes can solo more easily doesn't fix anything - it just creates confusion and dissatisfaction.I wouldn't put myself in the uber elite Bruiser group, but I'm a reasonable player with reasonable gear (Owain, Venekor) and I'm finding both PvP and PvE content to be more difficult too. And while we're on the subject of Brawlers getting shafted; as I've said elsewhere, what the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is up with giving everyone safe fall? :smileymad:

[Ameniel]

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annaspider wrote:
as I've said elsewhere, what the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is up with giving everyone safe fall? :smileymad:

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Where'd you hear that? That'll absolutely suck...

[Gungo]

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DisturbedMaggot wrote:

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Tasye wrote:
There's a bug with our mit buff that I noticed today. I used to pop it just before a pull, but it was down when I got an add and I took far less damage without it than with it. I found some named to test it out...and it's not a figment of my imagination. I take far more damage with it up than without it.

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You just made me realise when im famring Forsaken city i get owned by the Plant, SK dude with Vigorous up. ( SK usually ended in orange, plant usually fd cuz i run oop usuing all my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]z) Tried without and owned them :smileysurprised:

Message Edited by DisturbedMaggot on 12-05-2006 02:24 AM

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Hmm I will look into this a bit this weekend. It does mitigate damage more then w/o i know that. But it ay either be the hp drain is going off faster (which it shouldn't considering the new AA maxs the ticks less often) or a change to our HP pool makes for a larger drain. I look into the dot aspect specifically though. Imho though this buff was never really good for soloing. I always prefered burning in offesnive stance then switching to mid stance to kill hard named.

[Devast]

i have no problems at all in pvp. ive got 2 pieces of fabled pvp gear and the rest is legendary and mostly mastered. jewelry is ok. i can hardly solo anything nowadays so i lost my main source of cash. now i make money from the new eof collections. most named cast right through all my interrupts or have too much hp to last the fight out.i dont hate my class, but it is disappointing watching so many others do what i used to be able to. resists/mit mean absolutely nothing. i just crank my avoidance up to get the best results possible. i can only kill the first named in nest. i can get the 2nd down to about 60% and as for all sorts of other named anything above 65 or caster type cannot be killed.it sucks, but oh well. i can live with it since im playing for the pvp, but soe took something that wasnt broken and broke it.

[Kram337]

Hey mates,You haven't seen me around in a while either but I do still browse the bruiser forum. I thought I'd stop and mention that I too find the playing of my bruiser to be wanting. I never asked to be a class that's a god at everything, but it'd be nice to excel in something. I rarely play my bruiser these days.

[fyrelan]

This past weekend I meet a person that 2 boxes a bruiser/fury, while I 2 box a berserker/defiler.   We decided to group together and just see how much we could do, so we headed towards obelish of blight.   I started to tank but it was not to long before he started to pull and tank, because I was not able to hold aggro against him at all.  The only problem we had was my defiler pet kept dying so I would just cast my  AOE on inc, to keep the mobs away from the pet, but I never noticed getting much in the way of any aggro.   Even when I used open wounds and destruction, I expected to get a lot of aggro and for the most part I never did.  About the only time I got aggro was when he either got stunned a lot or I went full out taunting and dps when we were in a bad situation.I noticed just how easy it was to heal him, so I started to watch my defiler wards to see how long they stay up, and against single targets my defiler wards were not being worn off they would time out.  So I asked him how in the world he is taking so little damage, and he told me he had all his masters spells and was keeping the mobs stunned.  Every time before I had done blight with a full group and it was harder then just the two of us doing the zone.   His dps was just sick compared to mine, the mobs were going down very fast, the one time he did die, it took forever for my berserker to bring down that one add.My gear is a mix of the higher end broker gear and the claymore   quest line up to the shoulders, while his gear is also broker but the lower end stuff, he was still wearing some mastercraft.   I know his avoidance was about 100 higher then my berserkers 6200, and I do not know what  his mit was but it was a lot lower then my self buffed 4800.  I was very impressed just how well he tanked and how well he held aggro,  and I told him so, and he said he has been playing  the monk class in games since early eq1 and knows how to play the bruiser class, and he has seen many fabled out bruisers and monks that have a hard time because they do not know what they are doing.

[DisturbedMagg]

In reply to the ppl saying we cant tak heroics and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] we can, we can dps. what we are trying to put across is the fact that we dont excel in either and that if there was one position left in a grp /raid and you had a choice of w/e class u want (regarless of person behind the wheel) a bruiser will always fall short. I personally can kill everything as i could before EOF, however there is no doubt that its alot harder (espicially for ppl with the likes of just adpts, adpts III legendary/treasured gear). But imo SOE should have given us to simple and to the point AA liens DPS line which can be exactly same as knockouts but higher % (therefore giving you choice of actually becomming a proper DPS class) and the tank roll, again simple but to the point. Id sooner consdier myself a tank or a DPS, then half of each.

 

Group DPS wise i hit over 1k, and thats with me being lazy im neva on my toes in a grp, nor am i trying to flat out DPS. I also have tanked the new instances and nek3 of which i held aggro constantly, only time i got peeled was with sk throwing up [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing deathmarch. However i can understand like is aid above ppl with lower gear/CA's etc.

[DisturbedMagg]

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fyrelance wrote:

This past weekend I meet a person that 2 boxes a bruiser/fury, while I 2 box a berserker/defiler.   We decided to group together and just see how much we could do, so we headed towards obelish of blight.   I started to tank but it was not to long before he started to pull and tank, because I was not able to hold aggro against him at all.  The only problem we had was my defiler pet kept dying so I would just cast my  AOE on inc, to keep the mobs away from the pet, but I never noticed getting much in the way of any aggro.   Even when I used open wounds and destruction, I expected to get a lot of aggro and for the most part I never did.  About the only time I got aggro was when he either got stunned a lot or I went full out taunting and dps when we were in a bad situation.

I noticed just how easy it was to heal him, so I started to watch my defiler wards to see how long they stay up, and against single targets my defiler wards were not being worn off they would time out.  So I asked him how in the world he is taking so little damage, and he told me he had all his masters spells and was keeping the mobs stunned.  Every time before I had done blight with a full group and it was harder then just the two of us doing the zone.   His dps was just sick compared to mine, the mobs were going down very fast, the one time he did die, it took forever for my berserker to bring down that one add.

My gear is a mix of the higher end broker gear and the claymore   quest line up to the shoulders, while his gear is also broker but the lower end stuff, he was still wearing some mastercraft.   I know his avoidance was about 100 higher then my berserkers 6200, and I do not know what  his mit was but it was a lot lower then my self buffed 4800.  I was very impressed just how well he tanked and how well he held aggro,  and I told him so, and he said he has been playing  the monk class in games since early eq1 and knows how to play the bruiser class, and he has seen many fabled out bruisers and monks that have a hard time because they do not know what they are doing.

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People that dont know what their doing with always be [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] regardless of class, thats pretty obvious. A guild taking down an epic doesnt mean they have to be good to bid xxx rp for a fabled item.

Message Edited by DisturbedMaggot on 12-07-2006 12:55 AM

[MakhailSamma]

/sigh

 

My main point of this post was to state where I am today vs. where I was before this last update

 

Player skill is always going to come into effect.

 

I have been playing a Bruiser for a very long time and really nothing else (other then testing). Look at my posts. I have been an active member of this forum for a very long time and a Bruiser even longer.

 

My main point of this post was very much explained in this title: "Bruisers: Subpar DPS/Subpar tank/Subpar solo"

 

That was the point of this post, not if some Bruiser cept pulling agro off you.

[MakhailSamma]

BTW, I have tanked every heoic encounter in game and can do so fine. Its nto about what we can do but finding a usefullness for the class as a whole.

 

Once again, we can tank as well as some but worse then most tank classes.

 

We can DPS as well as some but worse then most DPS classes.

 

We can offer as much Utility as some but WAY less then most Utility classes.

 

We can solo as well as some but not as well as many classes.

 

We can debuff as well as some but WAY less the most ever class.

 

So, since most every class does what we do better, whats the point of a Bruiser atm?

 

We use to be subpar at most everything, but we solo'd at the top level.. now that is gone. So, why play a Bruiser now?

 

You want to play solo? Many other classes do it better.

 

You want to buff the group? A ton of classes do it way better.

 

You want to off tank? Many other tanks will do it better.

 

You want to DPS? Way many classes do it better.

 

You want to debuff the mobs and help the group? Soooo many classes do it better.

 

You want to tank all the time? Many classes are going to do it better.

 

So, where are we fitting in at the moment?

[chOgg]

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MakhailSammael wrote:

BTW, I have tanked every heoic encounter in game and can do so fine. Its nto about what we can do but finding a usefullness for the class as a whole.

 

Once again, we can tank as well as some but worse then most tank classes.

 

We can DPS as well as some but worse then most DPS classes.

 

We can offer as much Utility as some but WAY less then most Utility classes.

 

We can solo as well as some but not as well as many classes.

 

We can debuff as well as some but WAY less the most ever class.

 

So, since most every class does what we do better, whats the point of a Bruiser atm?

 

We use to be subpar at most everything, but we solo'd at the top level.. now that is gone. So, why play a Bruiser now?

 

You want to play solo? Many other classes do it better.

 

You want to buff the group? A ton of classes do it way better.

 

You want to off tank? Many other tanks will do it better.

 

You want to DPS? Way many classes do it better.

 

You want to debuff the mobs and help the group? Soooo many classes do it better.

 

You want to tank all the time? Many classes are going to do it better.

 

So, where are we fitting in at the moment?

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Krommus, I agree that we are sub-par to specialists in the areas you describe, but only by a bit.  If you are spec'd for tanking, then you can tank almost as good as a plate tank (in most situations).  If you are spec'd for DPS, then you can DPS almost as good as pure DPS classes.  What you gain by being a brawler is to be able to do either one based on the needs of the moment.  If a group already has a plate tank, another plate tank can't just switch to DPS mode and still be useful.  A DPS class can't (okay, well, shouldn't be able to) just switch to being a tank because there's not a plate tank available.  Our strength is that we can fill a number of roles and still be useful, though specialist classes will still out-do us in their specialties.Thoral, 68 Bruiser, Mistmoore

[Prothos]

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Krommus, I agree that we are sub-par to specialists in the areas you describe, but only by a bit.  If you are spec'd for tanking, then you can tank almost as good as a plate tank (in most situations).  If you are spec'd for DPS, then you can DPS almost as good as pure DPS classes.  What you gain by being a brawler is to be able to do either one based on the needs of the moment.  If a group already has a plate tank, another plate tank can't just switch to DPS mode and still be useful.  A DPS class can't (okay, well, shouldn't be able to) just switch to being a tank because there's not a plate tank available.  Our strength is that we can fill a number of roles and still be useful, though specialist classes will still out-do us in their specialties.

Thoral, 68 Bruiser, Mistmoore

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Specing part is correct in some ways.

 

Sad thing is I would rather be a little of both due to the fact that nobody really wants a +Defensive Brawler when they can snag an Offensive Brawler and be happier(RAIDING WISE.)  That is unless your guild is nuts.

 

Extra Plate tank if played by the same skilled player as the Brawler is = better off tank.

 

WE NEED TO HAVE A DEFINED ROLE>in my mind.

[DarkMirrax]

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MakhailSammael wrote:

 

So, where are we fitting in at the moment?

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playing my brigand and having a blast as i just cant be arsed with the /feedback anymore .. do the devs even listen ?

/feedback avodiance tanking sucks

/feedback Amazing Refexes broken

/sigh same stuff every day ignorance is bliss by the devs i guess the whole point of the combat changes was to improve avoidance tanking , there were pages upon pages of it in the testing section it was all a good idea but clearly SOE didnt want to listen , it was the same for Amazing Reflexes (10 second duration) then on day of release the 10 secs got changed to 5 secs ? why ? 5 seconds that uber huh ?

Played my bruiser a LONG time but atm its just lost its appeal and its NOT to not knowing what im doing its down to frustration that is echoed all throughout the bruiser pages.  In time SOE will probably fix it and i will continue my usual jaunts to tank the new instances (with my new found defiler/warden trio [Removed for Content])

p.s Gungo the mit buff does indeed seem a bug ive tried it over and over and i do get hit more and harder with it up than with it down

[Gungo]

I tested it fairly quickly but it takes the HP's listed on the spell which is 2%. And it does increase mitgation absorbtion. Only issue is it is in no way good for soloing now. You will take ALOT more damage then prevented.